If you knew somone

[Toyang]

If you knew someone whose overstaying and working illegally in the UK, are you going to report her/him to the Immigration Police?

My personal point of view, if I knew someone whose overstaying, I will not tolerate him/her , because it unfair to all of us who did everyting and strictly follow all the rules to be able us to get to the UK legally even it cost us of long stressfull waiting.

[anview]

if they are my good friends no

[Welsh_Italian]

Part of the high price rises in spousal / fiancee visas was to cover illegal immigration so they are indirectly contributing towards our costs. They also make the process more of a strain to us as we have to prove with greater evidence that our other halfs are not going to break their visa's conditions. It's unfair on people who obey the law so not entirely victimless.

[joebloggs]

things will only get more difficult for overstayers now..

it will be more difficult for them to find work. employers can face a fine of up to £10,000 for each Illegal immigrant they employ..

overstayers face a ban of years from coming back to the uk.

be deported with reduced rights to appeal

[Ana_may365]

i will not tolerate them,period!

[maria_and_matt]

sorry but i wont interfere, i do not know the reasons why they overstayed, it might be coz they have a family to help back home.

[pennybarry]

Yes will do!

[andypaul]

things will only get more difficult for overstayers now..

it will be more difficult for them to find work. employers can face a fine of up to £10,000 for each Illegal immigrant they employ..

overstayers face a ban of years from coming back to the uk.

be deported with reduced rights to appeal


Joe are you looking to be a MP:D

[andypaul]

sorry but i wont interfere, i do not know the reasons why they overstayed, it might be coz they have a family to help back home.

The person who Robs someone to night may be doing it to support a family.

I have a family to support can i rob you please:Erm::D

Still Breaking the law surely:Erm:

PS I would like to state i do not wish to rob anyone and never have.

I think i would be like that Mugger who gave his victim his phone in exchange for the victims with his contact details on it:doh:icon_lol:

[joebloggs]

Joe are you looking to be a MP:D

:yikes: no of course not MP :doh but PM :xxgrinning--00xx3:

vote of me, free visas for the brits, europeans last in line and will have to pay :D

[andypaul]

:yikes: no of course not MP :doh but PM :xxgrinning--00xx3:

vote of me, free visas for the brits, europeans last in line and will have to pay :D

What about cheaper football tickets? If you add that you got my vote:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

when i can be bothered, I am gonna write to my Euro MP, and see if they bother replying about the discrimination Brits face in their own country, and how is this discrimination not challenged by the European courts, were in EEC or we're not !

if they don't know if we are or not, give us the vote :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[cheesewiz]

My filipino co-worker who is a nurse in our nursing home resigned early this year (Feb 2008) after he resign it took him a few months to get a new job in diff nursing home the last time we heard from him is his papers still in HO waiting for his new work permit.

So I am not sure if he is consider overstayer/illegal? If he is I am wondering why the nursing home employed him despite the HO warning employing illegal workers.

[tiger@tigress]

I wont tolerate instead ill advice them to do the right thing and avoid beeing black listed...

[joebloggs]

:Erm:

i think it depends when he found the new employer, was it within 28 days?

work permit should only take a week or 2 at the most, but as long as the HO have his app, then he shouldn't be an overstayer, depends thou when his employer ap[plied for the permit i think...

not sure about this, not a good idea to quit on a work permit, they should have found another employer first..

If your current employment terminates you:

* Can find another employer willing to sponsor your permit for working in the United Kingdom. The new role must be similar to your current position.

* Must apply for a change of employment permit within 28 days of leaving your current employer.

* and i think apply for Further Leave to Remain (FLR)

maybe when they apply for ILR, they could find they've got a gap and not be able to apply for ILR as soon as they could..

they should seek advice from an immigration advisor :Erm:

[nigel]

I wouldn't report them, I've heard stories of people who have got their Visa, they've not realized that the visa didn't have multiple re-entry, and so they've been refused entry back into the U.K! Basically they messed up so they ended up getting they're partner in illegally. I am an EQUALIST! I believe we all have equal rights to the worlds riches, equal rights to live exactly any place we want, equal rights to everything from A- Z. People are entitled to live any way they choose, and any place they like. Life will be better for them if they do it legally, but does it really matter that they don't? I mean, what are you going to do? Run after them down the street? Pounce on them? Wrestle them to the ground? And then sit on them and wait for the police to arrive? We're all entitled to a decent life, live and let live I say! Laugh:icon_lol: or else your cry!:bigcry: live or else you'll die!:Cuckoo:

[cheesewiz]

:Erm:

i think it depends when he found the new employer, was it within 28 days?

work permit should only take a week or 2 at the most, but as long as the HO have his app, then he shouldn't be an overstayer, depends thou when his employer ap[plied for the permit i think...

not sure about this, not a good idea to quit on a work permit, they should have found another employer first..

If your current employment terminates you:

* Can find another employer willing to sponsor your permit for working in the United Kingdom. The new role must be similar to your current position.

* Must apply for a change of employment permit within 28 days of leaving your current employer.

* and i think apply for Further Leave to Remain (FLR)

maybe when they apply for ILR, they could find they've got a gap and not be able to apply for ILR as soon as they could..

they should seek advice from an immigration advisor :Erm:

he's been out of job for morethan 2 months after he resign though his new job is the same to his old job in the nursing home. All we know as he said his new employer applied a new work permit for him so he is waiting for that though we don't know if he got a new permit now bec he never answer our text anymore:NoNo::Erm:

[Mrs.JMajor]

same thing ,I wont interfere,we know people really doesn't want to do it,but we all don't know his or her reason,who knows that she/he have undying relatives and badly needed a financial help,or a kids who's sending to school ,because for sure she/he wont do that w/o important reason,for sure she/he rather go home if she/he fine in her/he life in own country

[brian&maddy]

I wont tolerate anyone of them... whether they are my friends or not. That's absolutely UNFAIR TO those who have gone through all the stressfull days of applying and waiting for their visa to be issued.

[Toyang]

I wont tolerate anyone of them... whether they are my friends or not. That's absolutely UNFAIR TO those who have gone through all the stressfull days of applying and waiting for their visa to be issued.

I agree.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Toyang]

Part of the high price rises in spousal / fiancee visas was to cover illegal immigration so they are indirectly contributing towards our costs. They also make the process more of a strain to us as we have to prove with greater evidence that our other halfs are not going to break their visa's conditions. It's unfair on people who obey the law so not entirely victimless.

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[maria_and_matt]

The person who Robs someone to night may be doing it to support a family.

I have a family to support can i rob you please:Erm::D

Still Breaking the law surely:Erm:

PS I would like to state i do not wish to rob anyone and never have.

I think i would be like that Mugger who gave his victim his phone in exchange for the victims with his contact details on it:doh:icon_lol:

go on rob me, at the end of the day it is not us breaking the law is it? all i am saying is people who do violate immigration laws do it for a reason, i am sure they will someday get caught. i know of someone from the philippines who is here overstaying and is working in london, she has 4 kids she sends to university and when they've finished she is going back home to them, she does not particularly like it here, she is only doing it so her kids won't go through all the hardships she had have to go through.
so now please tell me, am i so wrong not to report her?

[Toyang]

go on rob me, at the end of the day it is not us breaking the law is it? all i am saying is people who do violate immigration laws do it for a reason, i am sure they will someday get caught. i know of someone from the philippines who is here overstaying and is working in london, she has 4 kids she sends to university and when they've finished she is going back home to them, she does not particularly like it here, she is only doing it so her kids won't go through all the hardships she had have to go through.
so now please tell me, am i so wrong not to report her?

No wonder why having a Philippine passport makes difficult to obtained visa in most countries,because of the abusive and opportunist people and as a result the Embassy make the process more of a strain to us as we have to prove with strong evidence that we are not going to break their visa's conditions.

[maria_and_matt]

No wonder why having a Philippine passport makes difficult to obtained visa in most countries,because of the abusive and opportunist people and as a result the Embassy make the process more of a strain to us as we have to prove with strong evidence that we are not going to break their visa's conditions.

it really is not difficult to get visas anywhere if you meet all their requirements, i have my family come and go here without any problems at all.
i think that we should put ourselves in their shoes (those who overstay), there is always a reason, maybe they abuse the system here but what about all the EU people that come here and do not even bother to work? i noticed a lot of them causing trouble in our town. i am not saying its right but at least with the filipinos staying here they do work and try their hardest to earn so they can go home to their families back home.
have a heart people, i am sure that if the situation was reversed you would do the same.

[andypaul]

go on rob me, at the end of the day it is not us breaking the law is it? all i am saying is people who do violate immigration laws do it for a reason, i am sure they will someday get caught. i know of someone from the philippines who is here overstaying and is working in london, she has 4 kids she sends to
so now please tell me, am i so wrong not to report her? so if her kids broke the law could she tell them they are doing wrong? I thought uk visas were so easy to get? How come so many ofws from phill dont break the law?

Maybe all these europeans on the jam role have the same reasons for not working after two years of being here? Fair dos dont report her, as you say if a Robber supporting themself robbed you, then you wouldnt call the police. Good luck with your insurance claim with out a urn.
im glad the wife had to pay almost a grand and a half for her spouse visa and ilr maybe we should not have bothered?
I hope the non tax payers use none of the services all the legal ofws and residents pay though the nose for?

this is why phills are one of a few countries that have to go though hoops for a schgen and other nations visas compared to many similar countries.

[Toyang]

I wont tolerate instead ill advice them to do the right thing and avoid beeing black listed...

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[sneaker23]

asking the same question the other way around...

how would you feel being reported by your close friend? relatives? mom,dad or your siblings?

[andypaul]

asking the same question the other way around...

how would you feel being reported by your close friend? relatives? mom,dad or your siblings?

I will ask another do your close friends, relatives,mum,dad or siblings condon you breaking the laws of other countries?

[maria_and_matt]

gee people get of ur high horse, i am certain at one point in our lives we all have broken rules, a parking ticket? parking on a disabled spot when its raining? speeding? only we never got caught. why do you worry yourselves with what others are doing? as long as we are doing right with others surely that is what matters?

[Toyang]

Well, violators must prepared themselves on the consequences of what they did. They can not blame other people if oneday they arrested by the Immigration Police.

[andypaul]

gee people get of ur high horse, i am certain at one point in our lives we all have broken rules, a parking ticket? parking on a disabled spot when its raining? speeding? only we never got caught. why do you worry yourselves with what others are doing? as long as we are doing right with others surely that is what matters?

So we should ignore all others that break the law:Erm: Making it harder for the ones like oursleves who wish to follow the rules.

When you were at Wembley would you have been ok if someone broke the law and entered with a false ticket or none at all and took your seat?
I guess you would have looked the other way.

Thats why many on here complain that its so dangrous here and in phill. Because people just look the other way when people break the law or display unsocialable behaviour.

Feel free to ignore, just dont complain if they ever tighten up the rules so much due to people constantly breaking the condtions of a visa that a member of your family cant get over to the UK legaly, that or faces oppressive checks and doubts by those in a official capacity.

[Ana_may365]

exactly!

[sneaker23]

different strokes for different cultures.
best follow rules of where you are.

[IainBusby]

So we should ignore all others that break the law:Erm: Making it harder for the ones like oursleves who wish to follow the rules.

When you were at Wembley would you have been ok if someone broke the law and entered with a false ticket or none at all and took your seat?
I guess you would have looked the other way.

Thats why many on here complain that its so dangrous here and in phill. Because people just look the other way when people break the law or display unsocialable behaviour.

Feel free to ignore, just dont complain if they ever tighten up the rules so much due to people constantly breaking the condtions of a visa that a member of your family cant get over to the UK legaly, that or faces oppressive checks and doubts by those in a official capacity.

Hear Hear.

[vbkelly]

if they are my good friends no

it doesn't matter if they are friends of mine they are breaking the law

[keithAngel]

I have to say guys that there is a lot of poppy cock on this thread!!

Our forebears broke all sorts of laws to win the freedoms that are now being eroded bad and unjust laws always require brave souls to challenge them and that's one of the rights and responsibilities that goes with living in a free country.

In fact every citizen in my view has the right to say NO you may have to take the sanctions that that entails but the alternative is to wake up one day and find you have no rights at all

Joe your point on Europe and unfair visa fees is well made but the responsibility to challenge it lies with one of us that feels strongly enough to do so otherwise it just goes on.

People who are working their butts off abroad to support their loved ones who happen to live in economically deprived areas of the world regardless of their visa or lack of it "ARE NOT CRIMINALS OR ROBBERS" we sent them to Australia already:rolleyes:

We didn't fill out many visa apps when we controlled a third of the world and the sun didn't set so I for one think that any moral high ground here is hypocritical in the extreme and the Filipino response here might better be directed at the corrupt lawbreakers,often in positions of trust, in your motherland than to your fellow countrymen who's aspirations and needs you should all understand and empathise with

Rant Over:D

I think I,ll have a beer now

[Toyang]

it doesn't matter if they are friends of mine they are breaking the law

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Toyang]

I know some Filipinas who brougth here in the UK by their employers as a domestic helper-visitor visa, but they never attemp to stay illegally or run away from their employer`s household, because they do not want to break the law and preferred to go back to their origin with their employers. I salute those people who preferred to keep their name and dignity intact and keep teir immigartions record clean, yet all of them have family and children back home.
I do believe that having children and family to support in the Phils should not be enough reason to violate the rules, its just some people just chose to do wrong even they know it.
How would you feel when your close friends or relative have to go back to the Phils, because she have to leave the UK before her/ his visa expires, it is so sad to see our relatives leaving us, even you know she/ he can stay here without needing to work or seek public funds but she/he have to leave.

[keithAngel]

If you knew someone whose overstaying and working illegally in the UK, are you going to report her/him to the Immigration Police?

My personal point of view, if I knew someone whose overstaying, I will not tolerate him/her , because it unfair to all of us who did everyting and strictly follow all the rules to be able us to get to the UK legally even it cost us of long stressfull waiting.

No problem for those that choose I just don't personally feel comfortable making any kind of judgement about someone who took a different decision and in this thread you were asking would you turn them in, in my view long stressful waiting and fees paid don't have anything to do with the question, Who ever they are, they got here and I am in no position to interfere with their lives that's in Gods hands or Karma if you like.

The only difference between me and them is an accident of birth mine means I can go almost anywhere:xxgrinning--00xx3: except the norf perhaps

[maria_and_matt]

No problem for those that choose I just don't personally feel comfortable making any kind of judgement about someone who took a different decision and in this thread you were asking would you turn them in, in my view long stressful waiting and fees paid don't have anything to do with the question, Who ever they are, they got here and I am in no position to interfere with their lives that's in Gods hands or Karma if you like.

The only difference between me and them is an accident of birth mine means I can go almost anywhere:xxgrinning--00xx3: except the norf perhaps

well said keith :xxgrinning--00xx3: finally someone talking sense!

[PeterB]

... but, this is not a completely victimless crime. All those who follow the prescribed channels in order to gain legitimate entry to the UK are having to make a stronger case in their application, paying higher fees, waiting longer for a decision.

In addition, those who are illegal stayers will almost certainly taking other liberties, such as not be paying their taxes. This increases the financial burden on every honest member of society.

[Toyang]

I`m glad that still there are more people who stand for the righteousness and not delighted in the works of wicked people.

[Toyang]

http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/3791075.17_illegal_workers_arrested/

[keithAngel]

... but, this is not a completely victimless crime. All those who follow the prescribed channels in order to gain legitimate entry to the UK are having to make a stronger case in their application, paying higher fees, waiting longer for a decision.

In addition, those who are illegal stayers will almost certainly taking other liberties, such as not be paying their taxes. This increases the financial burden on every honest member of society.

That seems strange to me Pete as all those who got in had already jumped over the prescribed hoops to get some kind of entry visa in the first place .

My thoughts on your secondary point are that for most in this position they will be earning well below minimum wages and would therefor be under the threshold for normal tax in addition they don't have any rights or benefits and like the rest of us will be paying vat, fuel taxes etc whilst working like dogs to support there dependants overseas there but for the grace of...T

Toyang I`m glad that still there are more people who stand for the righteousness and not delighted in the works of wicked people. 5 Hours Ago 11:44

To be honest Toyang your attitude with this statement is shocking to me and I am truly sorry that your life experience would lead you to these conclusions:NoNo: to accuse people you don't know of "wickedness" when it may well be they are simply trying to put rice in there children's bellies flies in the face of all human kindness

[andypaul]

That seems strange to me Pete as all those who got in had already jumped over the prescribed hoops to get some kind of entry visa in the first place .

My thoughts on your secondary point are that for most in this position they will be earning well below minimum wages and would therefor be under the threshold for normal tax in addition they don't have any rights or benefits and like the rest of us will be paying vat, fuel taxes etc whilst working like dogs to support there dependants overseas there but for the grace of...T

Toyang I`m glad that still there are more people who stand for the righteousness and not delighted in the works of wicked people. 5 Hours Ago 11:44

To be honest Toyang your attitude with this statement is shocking to me and I am truly sorry that your life experience would lead you to these conclusions:NoNo: to accuse people you don't know of "wickedness" when it may well be they are simply trying to put rice in there children's bellies flies in the face of all human kindness

Think your be surprised how well some people here who shall we say are comiting visa fruad do.
Yes some live like virtual slaves and surely they should be rescused by the authorities and helped to return home to safety.

But i have personal experience of people who are here on say student visas for long long periods and have very nice jobs and earning well over the minimum wage.
I can also say i have witnessed people from cleaning firms and temp agencies who i knew who borrowed others NI and id. Some of these people i had personal contact with spoke very good english and had been in the UK for considerable times.

A few years ago there was one guy who had a very well paid job who was only caught when he left the UK and was on the way back from the channel isles and found to be a crimnal and deserter from i think it was ukraine. He also had a fake driving license which he was driving on, having been in his company car on many occasions he made you think how you were covered if he did have an accident? This was before in depth checks were made in most UK firms.

I think we have to be careful we dont either demonise people on one hand or treat them as always helpless victims on the other.

Many of those with out the right to either live and/or work in the UK, who I had personal contact with also for various reasons in some cases concocted other lies about themsleves both at work and in their social lives. Often even lovers and very close friends had no idea of their true identiy.
For example one cleaner who once found to be ilegaly here in the Uk was sacked on the spot. He disapeared and his girlfriend who worked with the one of the companies security guard at another workplace. The security guard told me it was he who had got the guy his job and had as a favour to the guys girlfriend even handed the guys cv and some paperwork to the cleaning company supervisor.
Both the Girlfriend and Security guard ended up with being investigated and fingers of suscpion pointing at them even though both had been fed lies by the chap.

I understand people would keep their cards close to their chest but it must have been worrying to these people what else they hid from them?

[joebloggs]

That seems strange to me Pete as all those who got in had already jumped over the prescribed hoops to get some kind of entry visa in the first place .

My thoughts on your secondary point are that for most in this position they will be earning well below minimum wages and would therefor be under the threshold for normal tax in addition they don't have any rights or benefits and like the rest of us will be paying vat, fuel taxes etc whilst working like dogs to support there dependants overseas there but for the grace of...T

Toyang I`m glad that still there are more people who stand for the righteousness and not delighted in the works of wicked people. 5 Hours Ago 11:44

To be honest Toyang your attitude with this statement is shocking to me and I am truly sorry that your life experience would lead you to these conclusions:NoNo: to accuse people you don't know of "wickedness" when it may well be they are simply trying to put rice in there children's bellies flies in the face of all human kindness

not true, some illegal immigrants come here hidden in the back of lorries, no visa required :NoNo:

many come on a visitor or student visa, these visa's are a lot cheaper than a settlement visa.

they earned less than the minimum wage, because their illegal immigrants and in most cases exploited by bosses who don't pay their NAT or TAX.

why should they be entitled to benefits, my wife wasn't entitled to maternity pay on a spouse visa, and she was working, so why should others be able to who are illegally here??

my and my wife work like dogs to send money back to her family..

people should go by the rules, i had to and everyone on here did, everyone on here ( except Europeans in the uk - dom :D) had to pay alot for their visa, and to provide evidence they were in a relationship, and show they could support their wife and the play the waiting game.. something that those illegal immigrants you talk about didn't :NoNo:

i'm all for fair play and rules everyone abides by, :xxgrinning--00xx3:

and keith, this country has a major problem will illegal immigrants, which there are estimated to be 1 million of in the uk.

[Toyang]

they are simply trying to put rice in there children's bellies flies in the face of all human kindness

Still not a valid reason, as Joe said earlier that some of them are on student and visitor visas, if they can afford to pay their tickets to come to UK with that sum of money for example if that person is from the Philippines or other parts of Asia, they can start a small ventures to make a way of living without leaving their country and not violating the rules.
Well, I do feel so sorry for those people having a hard time looking for job, because most of the job position has been filled- up by the illegal workers whose willing to accept the under minimum wage.

[Toyang]

The battle at the UK Border Agency comes at a price though.

Figures show overall expenditure for travel, accommodation and hospitality has quadrupled since 2003/04. Last year the department spent £10,520,541.

This included £1.7million on air travel and more than £4 million on hotels.

Taxi fares almost doubled to £732,000 while train travel went up a staggering £2.5 million to £3.2 million.

Shadow Immigration Minister Damien Green who obtained the figures said, "The Borders' Agency need a wake-up call: this money doesn't grow on trees, it comes from the pockets of hard-pressed taxpayers.




http://www...........s.com/news/the_high_costs_of_immigration560.html

[Toyang]

Illegal working is unfair on honest employers who recruit staff with the right to work in the UK and who pay them a proper salary.

[keithAngel]

joebloggs[/left];96214]not true, some illegal immigrants come here hidden in the back of lorries, no visa required :NoNo:

many come on a visitor or student visa, these visa's are a lot cheaper than a settlement visa.

they earned less than the minimum wage, because their illegal immigrants and in most cases exploited by bosses who don't pay their NAT or TAX.

why should they be entitled to benefits, my wife wasn't entitled to maternity pay on a spouse visa, and she was working, so why should others be able to who are illegally here??

my and my wife work like dogs to send money back to her family..



people should go by the rules, i had to and everyone on here did, everyone on here ( except Europeans in the

UK
-

dom
:D) had to pay

a lot
for their visa, and to provide evidence they were in a relationship, and show they could support their wife and the play the waiting game.. something that those illegal immigrants you talk about didn't :NoNo:



I'm
all for fair play and rules everyone abides by, :xxgrinning--00xx3:

and

Keith
, this country has a major problem will illegal immigrants, which there are estimated to be 1 million of in the uk.

If the

figuer
is

realy
at the million mark Joe Id suspect

colusion
on the "authorities" part as that would mean about one in every 40 adults was one reasonably easy to deal with and think of the jobs it would create for local councils.

Clearly if you make it on a lorry our border controls are crap and

that's
what we should be tackling after all they could be terrorists.

As you may have gathered I am not a supporter of a fortress mentality and I agree with you that our rights under the European Laws are being

flouted
by our Government once the state acts in such a way it becomes very difficult if not impossible to expect support from the informed population that is not drugged with their daily dose of Big Brother

etc

But the thing that I am responding to in this thread is that to the question in the O.P.

!, Would not turn some one in for simply wanting what I already have

2, I find it offensive to "Demonise" people by generalising them as "not righteous" and "wicked"

3. It is my view that I should be able not only to love who I choose but also not be subject to ANY form of control economic or otherwise regarding where we live

4, As to the hard pressed taxpayers what would it cost to catch and repatriate 1,000,000 illegals? Current
expenditure
is a drop in the ocean compared to what taxpayers have just given the banks and no
doubt
more to come

[andypaul]

If the

figuer



is

realy



at the million mark Joe Id suspect

colusion


on the "authorities" part as that would mean about one in every 40 adults was one reasonably easy to deal with and think of the jobs it would create for local councils.


Clearly if you make it on a lorry our border controls are crap and

that's


what we should be tackling after all they could be terrorists.


As you may have gathered I am not a supporter of a fortress mentality and I agree with you that our rights under the European Laws are being

flouted



by our Government once the state acts in such a way it becomes very difficult if not impossible to expect support from the informed population that is not drugged with their daily dose of Big Brother

etc



But the thing that I am responding to in this thread is that to the question in the O.P.

!, Would not turn some one in for simply wanting what I already have

2, I find it offensive to "Demonise" people by generalising them as "not righteous" and "wicked"

3. It is my view that I should be able not only to love who I choose but also not be subject to ANY form of control economic or otherwise regarding where we live


4, As to the hard pressed taxpayers what would it cost to catch and repatriate 1,000,000 illegals? Current
expenditure


is a drop in the ocean compared to what taxpayers have just given the banks and no
doubt

more to come

Well we cant really afford the bank subs there was no other choice it was like the person who needed to pay the mortage with a credit card. last resort which means they will pay for later.
Now there is no money for many things( Its all on the never never now as you know)

The right to marry who you like i agree with.

No control ecomnic or on where you live sounds great in princple but what happens if we all wanted to move into one house or to one location?
It is no good for anyone the existing residents or those that move in.

Many of the countries that those coming here are from also have local controls to stop ecomonic migrants.

Sadly you have to have controls if we had them in place earlier they could have been far less harsh than they are now i feel. But hey ho we live and learn.

I still argue that it does impose a security risk not so much on a national scale most of the time.
In London from people i know in many walks of life and backgrounds a big fear that many share is having an accident with a person who doesn't exist.

If they have insurance its probably void if the company starts digging and most would not bother.

I know of at least one school in london where the cleaning companies staff were raided due to thefts at the school and many were not who they said they were. From what i gather they had nothing to do with the robberies.

But the very fact cleaners were not who they said they were and the named people on the documents were the ones security checked not them means that a big security flaw in place we would like to think is safe occured.

Would you like that in the school or nursery your children go to?
Would you like it at the hospital your family use?
Would you like it at the care home older family may use?

Many of the communities that really get peed of with this issue in my experience are the people coming from countries with high levels of people coming over ilegally.

Another issue which will rise its head is what will happen to all the ilegal workers who are not required as the ecomony shrinks and measures become tighter?

[joebloggs]

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmhansrd/cm070709/debtext/70709-0003.htm

Illegal Immigrants

8. Mr. Nigel Evans (Ribble Valley) (Con): What steps she is taking to enhance the effectiveness of the measures in place to prevent illegal immigrants from entering the UK. [147909]

The Minister of State, Home Department (Mr. Liam Byrne): There are two key steps to countering illegal immigration: biometrics to lock visitors down to a single identity, and intercepting and stopping illegal immigrants as far from our shores as possible.

9 July 2007 : Column 1185

Mr. Evans: I endorse what the Minister has said, but Migrationwatch UK states that there are 875,000 illegal immigrants in the country, and that 50,000 of them are detected every year but only one in four are returned home. We should thank goodness that we are an island. May I suggest three steps? First, we should link fingerprints to passport details in the worst offending countries so that no one can say, “I’ve lost my papers”, in between boarding an aeroplane and getting off it. Secondly, we should have a national border police so that we can secure our borders better. Finally, when illegal immigrants are detected and they fail asylum procedures, 100 per cent. of them should be returned to their country of origin.

Mr. Byrne: I saw some of the news associated with that Migrationwatch report. As the hon. Gentleman is aware, since exit controls were phased out from 1994 it has been difficult to know how many illegal immigrants are in the country; that is why we are introducing a system to count people in and out. I think that the hon. Gentleman will agree that it is a good idea to keep the problem as far away as possible from our shores. We are now introducing biometric visas, which have already led to us finding 4,000 people with an immigration history we had reason to be suspicious about who were trying to get back into the country. E-borders, which screens people at check-in, is already up and running and has already resulted in 1,000 arrests. Increasing our offshore border control will be an important part of what we do. However, more money is needed in order to remove more people who are here, but when we brought forward proposals this year to raise visa charges to provide an additional £100 million for immigration policing, Front-Bench Members of the hon. Gentleman’s party sat on their hands in Committee.


migrationwatch is not a pro immigration pressure group, so the figure could be less than that, but that was more than a year ago, so who knows how many are here, the gov estimated that less than 50,000 poles would come to the uk, and more than 500,000 came, so one thing is, the gov figures on illegal immigrants will be lower than the real figure.

some links for u to browse at

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7564584.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/oct/28/immigrationpolicy-immigration

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3075219/Jacqui-Smith-has-no-idea-whether-illegal-immigrants-are-working-at-Home-Office.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-566068/Thousands-known-illegal-immigrants-STILL-got-National-Insurance-numbers-admit-ministers.html

one thing is Keith, the problem is a lot more serious and bigger than you think it is.. :NoNo:

[bornatbirth]

i say goodluck to any overstayer,there are so many wastes of space in the uk already then whats so wrong with a few more.

any overstayer from the philipines in the uk we all know why they are still here,so they can earn and send the money home,but then isnt that why lots of polish are coming here.

if only all the countries in the world gave everyone the same chance in life most of them will stay in there own country,until then get use to it.

[joebloggs]

there are so many wastes of space in the uk already then whats so wrong with a few more.

space :yikes:, is there any space left in the UK :Erm:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7618994.stm :D

[pennybarry]

Illegal working is unfair on honest employers who recruit staff with the right to work in the UK and who pay them a proper salary.

I know some here that works cash on hand (part time) and they are receiving benefits from government because they declrared they are jobless with kids.

I work fulltime and at the end of the week I have 80£ deductions from my wages. I am thinking if this deductions will help those benefits claimants, then this must be very unfair as I have hard day everyday:bigcry:

[keithAngel]

I know some here that works cash on hand (part time) and they are receiving benefits from government because they declrared they are jobless with kids.

I work fulltime and at the end of the week I have 80£ deductions from my wages. I am thinking if this deductions will help those benefits claimants, then this must be very unfair as I have hard day everyday:bigcry:

Different subject Pennybarry they are claim frauds not overstayers

[andypaul]

Different subject Pennybarry they are claim frauds not overstayers

To many hardworking Indigeous Brits and those orignaly from abroad on a Visa both are robbing resources that should be going to those that follow the Law of the land.

For example many overstayers or those who entered ilegally use the A and E in busier hospitals as their GP as they know they will not be asked to many questions.

I didn't read that in a paper or hear it off a mate of a mate, I have spent a few hours watching the goings on in several A and E receptions in central London. Due to a work project and customer visits..

It frustrates both medical and admin staff but know its not worth making a fuss.
I saw examples myself while there of people it was plain to see giving fake addresses and details in general. The staff even appeared to have addresses they use when its clear the person is too confused (due to not being well enough) to fib:NoNo:
Funnily enough i saw tourists/workers from EU countries who were being admitted who were aplogetic and wondering if they needed to pay or show details.

I noticed while there and had it confirmed to me by two clerks that many of those not entitled to care would come in big waves when they had busy periods to ensure they either went unnoticed or knew the admin staff were over stretched. Even though the staff admitted there was little they could do.
The biggest issue they had was with people releasing themselves in a hurry once the intial care or consultation was given. As they know as shown on posters that if you need aftercare hospitals may check up on your rights to it.

Some Im told would then have to be prescribed expensive medcines which they would just pay the prescription fee.

while we should never deny health care to any and no Doctor or nurse I met would dream of it.

They should not be taking them resources from those who have earned them imo.

[joebloggs]

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

well Keith maybe your views would change, when you have to go by the rules and thank yourself lucky, you've not had to pay £4,000 for visa fees like i have had to, then read on other forums what illegal immigrants will do to stay and prevent their removal from the uk. some have no intention of going back, some on the student visas have never attended a class, fake unis and collages, marrying eastern Europeans and other non uk Europeans to stay here.

some illegal immigrants come here hoping their will be an amnesty for the 500,000+ who are illegally here. maybe you've not heard of the 10yr or 14yr rule, for those here for 14 years lawfully or unlawfully without Removal Directions or a Deportation Order having been issued against you during that time, you may be able to apply for indefinite leave to remain in the United Kingdom under the long residence rule.

when a person applies for a student or visitor visa, they agree by signing the visa app form, they will leave the country before their visa expires, those who don't are not 'overstayers' but have broken the law and here Illegally.

just open your eyes, and see what's going on around you :rolleyes:

[keithAngel]

Thanks Joe and Andy I do understand your views and you are of course entitled to them, Its clearly an emotive subject and I doubt any amount of "money" paid will change mine as it springs from a position ,formulated over long years that the developed countries have a vast ocean of "karma" to expiate from our imperialist past.

I got a nice picture of this here yesterday in the Santa Nino Basilique whilst looking at the series of portraits of the Spanish bringing "civilisation" to the natives, having set the standard to aspire to so many years ago it comes as no surprise to me that so many people would wish to come to the cradle of culture and experience the delights of Britain (so clearly expounded here on the forum:icon_lol:) In fact I have done my best to explain to my beloved that the UK is not the land of milk and honey she has been led to believe.

Having already made various unanswered points I see no purpose in repetition.:Erm:


:xxgrinning--00xx3:
maybe you've not heard of the 10yr or 14yr rule, for those here for 14 years lawfully or unlawfully without Removal Directions or a Deportation Order having been issued against you during that time, you may be able to apply for indefinite leave to remain in the United Kingdom under the long residence rule.

No I hadn't heard of that, but my logical mind jumps to the conclusion that forgiveness for past "wickedness" is therefor embodied in our laws, if you can get away with it for long enough:D

[fred]

it doesn't matter if they are friends of mine they are breaking the law


:NoNo:

So glad you are not my..... "friend" !!
Geez...It does`nt bare thinking about!!

[fred]

They are just people doing what they need to survive in a harsh world...
They will do what they have to do and will continue to slip through..Good luck to them and I would do the same in their position.
They know the consequences they face if caught.
The British gov are tough on immigrants when it suits them and then the European union soften them up a bit by opening the flood gates for them..
Thats perfectly fine though as it is all legal and above board..

[Mrs.JMajor]

I do agree w/ your reason maria

nice words too Fred

[Toyang]

http://www.thewestonmercury.co.uk/content/twm/news/story.aspx?brand=Westonmercury&category=news&tBrand=westonmercury&tCategory=znews&itemid=WeED04%20Nov%202008%2009%3A24%3A35%3A027

[russ01539]

We shold put posters up all round the world. Reading soething like this;

Its Cold
Its Wet
Its dangerous
Its grim (especially up north)
and there really is nothing going for the UK.
So stay where the sun shines, at least you'll be warm.


I really dont understand why anyone would want to stay here. I spend most of my days thinking of how I can leave this island sooner than I already plan to realistically. I cant wait for the day to come, and won't miss it one bit.

[russ01539]

And if that means staying in PI as an 'illegal immigrant' then what the hell.

[PeterB]

I cant wait for the day to come, and won't miss it one bit.
I guess that you don't need me to tell you how good it is to live here, then!

[andypaul]

We shold put posters up all round the world. Reading soething like this;

Its Cold
Its Wet
Its dangerous
Its grim (especially up north)
and there really is nothing going for the UK.
So stay where the sun shines, at least you'll be warm.


I really dont understand why anyone would want to stay here. I spend most of my days thinking of how I can leave this island sooner than I already plan to realistically. I cant wait for the day to come, and won't miss it one bit.

Freedom in general politicaly, religous,sexually and im sure others,

chance to start again,

good social mobilty,

laws which will normally support the underdog,

A decent health care system,

A safety net,

Pretty mild weather never really that cold or that hot, very few major freak weather disaters if they do occur most people are helped out via the amazing emgency services.

The right to protest (ok its not perfect but far fewer people shot here than many places when protesting in general)

The abilty to get hold of services nearby to you i saw one of those short programes after the chan 4 news and a lady saying how avaiable goods are in the UK compared to malawi i think it was.

A goverment who although incompent imo generally have to "follow the rules and laws"

Live in a country where you feel near to the centre (told to me by many including the Wife) wheter its polticaly or just socially ie major events.

Great wealth of museums, libarys and art farty things

Good travel links to many parts of the World.

I also have to say I like the Diversity we have in the UK, the Wife and I have friends from all over the World with different religious beliefs and viewpoints. Seeing how bigoted potentially phills can be on subjects as can people from other areas who dont have experience of those from other backgrounds.

Other reasons i have heard from people particulalry tropical countries is the changing of seasons. The long summer nights blah blah.


Personally I can see why people like phill, its like why lots of fairly rich arabs among others come to London, life is easy with dough in your pocket and due to their money can get away with a lot of things and get things done.

But for me at the moment I would still prefer to be in the UK well London not sure about the rest of the country:D

[lizaphil]

I wouldn't report them, I've heard stories of people who have got their Visa, they've not realized that the visa didn't have multiple re-entry, and so they've been refused entry back into the U.K! Basically they messed up so they ended up getting they're partner in illegally. I am an EQUALIST! I believe we all have equal rights to the worlds riches, equal rights to live exactly any place we want, equal rights to everything from A- Z. People are entitled to live any way they choose, and any place they like. Life will be better for them if they do it legally, but does it really matter that they don't? I mean, what are you going to do? Ran after them down the street? Pounce on them? Wrestle them to the ground? And then sit on them and wait for the police to arrive? We're all entitled to a decent life, live and let live I say! Laugh:icon_lol: or else your cry!:bigcry: live or else you'll die!:Cuckoo:

yes your right mate!!!

[Le'em]

it really is not difficult to get visas anywhere if you meet all their requirements, i have my family come and go here without any problems at all.
i think that we should put ourselves in their shoes (those who overstay), there is always a reason, maybe they abuse the system here but what about all the EU people that come here and do not even bother to work? i noticed a lot of them causing trouble in our town. i am not saying its right but at least with the filipinos staying here they do work and try their hardest to earn so they can go home to their families back home.
have a heart people, i am sure that if the situation was reversed you would do the same.

i agree:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Le'em]

Different subject Pennybarry they are claim frauds not overstayers

:Erm:

[IanB]

I would not report them. I would, however, be very concerned that they are open to exploitation and have no health cover or any other basic protection while they are here.

Whats the point of reprting someone and almost certainly ruining their life and the lives of the family they depend on? You would have to be a cruel and heartless person to do that face to face.

[Toyang]

http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/news/restaurants-fined-illegal-migrant-workers/article-456398-detail/article.html

[cheesewiz]

its not right to be illegal immigrants bec they are violating the law of this country:NoNo: How can they live without peace of mind that everyday they are scared bec for sure they know that sooner or later they will get caught. Imo, I know they're helping their families back home but its like stealing for me I can't provide for my families by means of stealing:NoNo: and once they caught that's it they'll be black listed and might not be able to go to other countries anymore (unless they've got a new passport with new name:NoNo:)

Im legal immigrant of this country. I went to rigid process just to get here and I am paying big taxes for 4 years and NI. Still I may not get ILR next year bec of many changes of immigration laws yet I am legal immigrant and contibuting to the economy...how much more those ilegal immigrants all they helping are their families back home and not giving back to the country where they live.

[Sangoma]

Personally if the only crime was overstaying a visa, I would mind my own business.

I returned to this country in 2002, and had to apply for a spouse visa for my late wife.
I could claim nothing, my wife could claim nothing. Yet people coming in on the back of a truck got five star treatment.

I'm now waiting for my wifes visa to be processed, and to be honest, it is one of the most difficult times of my life, why it takes so long in Manila is debateable, but it is certainly stressful.

I can understand why some people would take the "easy" way out.

Maybe the system should be levelled out a bit, make it easier for genuine applicants, and harder for the truck hikers.

Maybe if they spent less energy on masking it so hard for genuine cases, they would have more time to deal with the abusers.

Maybe the system is basically flawed if it is easier and better to break the law than abide by it.

As for the person using resources I pay for, they are not likely to use as much as other scammers legally here, as they would rather keep a low profile.

I would rather see the teenage mothers-to-be-on-benefits etc dealt with.

[joebloggs]

Yet people coming in on the back of a truck got five star treatment..

:doh I don't think you would call a detention centre 5 star :NoNo:

but I think many when caught are let go, and told to report back to immigration weekly, many vanish thou, the thing is now with the clamp down on illegal workers (fines or even prison for employers who employ illegal immigrants), the only work they will get will be really low pay, as the employer ways up the risks of getting fined £10,000 for each illegal immigrant employed, the other option if they cannot find employment is to turn to crime:Erm:..

[aromulus]

the other option if they cannot find employment is to turn to crime:Erm:..

Or traffic wardens in London......:doh

Or security staff at some goverment building....:doh

Or........:NoNo:

[Sangoma]

:doh I don't think you would call a detention centre 5 star :NoNo:

but I think many when caught are let go, and told to report back to immigration weekly, many vanish thou, the thing is now with the clamp down on illegal workers (fines or even prison for employers who employ illegal immigrants), the only work they will get will be really low pay, as the employer ways up the risks of getting fined £10,000 for each illegal immigrant employed, the other option if they cannot find employment is to turn to crime:Erm:..

The incident I particularly remember are the ones that hid in a army truck carrying classified goods. They were given thorough health checks and accomdated in a hotel. Maybe a detention centre followed, but they were certainly well treated on their arrival.

A legal arrival at hellrow is sometimes kept there for the best part of a day with xrays and questions.

As for the detention centres, I wonder how their care there compares with what they would have got where they left from? A roof, food, medical care is a heck of a lot more than many countries peoples have.

[Arthur Little]

As one who is about to face the agonies/uncertainties of the unjustifiably-'long wait' entailed by those applying legally for a spousal visa on behalf of their loved one, I fully concur with the sentiments expressed by Sangoma. It's high time resources were deployed in tightening up a System that allows would-be terrorists, suicide bombers and the like to slip through the net, simply because they are well educated (witness the perpetrators of the incident at Glasgow Airport ... they came here as qualified doctors!!) and can support themselves financially. Something's far wrong somewhere, surely! :Cuckoo:

[aromulus]

Well, if I were to get 40k resettlement grant from the government, I would happily go and live in da Phills....:rolleyes:

[baboyako]

I used to think the same as you lot... :Rasp:

[ervenescence]

It is only a problem for people who needs problems. I believe they knew whats the consequences they are going to face once they got caught.

However I wouldn't report them, its just I got plenty of stuff to sort out first that needed my attention rather than worrying other peoples business... for being illegal.

[IanB]

There are plenty of criminals around for us to get concerned about. Why not report them instead of over stayers?

Clearly if people are caught overstaying they must be dealt with. But anyone with any heart or christian feeling would realise that in dealing with this type of criminal you are ruining someone's life for ever.

And who is the victim? It is not on to blame illegal immigrants for the fact that we have such a horrible time applying for visas. In return for our horrible time we get good rights and protection, health, and education for our kids.

[joebloggs]

And who is the victim? It is not on to blame illegal immigrants for the fact that we have such a horrible time applying for visas. In return for our horrible time we get good rights and protection, health, and education for our kids.

everyone is the victim, the British tax payer who has to pay for the immigration service, the 'over stayer' who wants a better life, who doesn't ? but comes to the uk and the only work they can get is where the boss exploits them paying them virtually nothing, the legal immigrant who has to pay for a visa, who faces more restrictive rules and longer qualifying period to live here permanently partly because of over stayers, and the biggest loser is the Brit who marries a non European and has to pay for the visa, immigration service needs paying for,and much of it by those who use it legally.

an over stayer is a criminal, they sign the visa app stating they will return when their visa expires, just like when you sign any contract, then you break it, you face the consequences, many have no intention of ever going back, if they were skilled they could apply for a work permit or HSMP. no so they break the law, making it harder for everyone else :NoNo:.

horrible time applying for visa:icon_lol:, the cost of a VV or student visa (the 2 fav visas used by over stayers) is nothing compared to the cost of a settlement visa, ILR or citizenship, how many illegal immigrants do you think, have nearly paid £4000 in visa fees, NONE ! must be just me then :doh

as for the rights we enjoy here in the uk, they are paid for by the tax payer,and tax payers before us, from our parents and grandparents who fought for those rights and paid for them, to give their kids a better life.. :rolleyes:

[andypaul]

I spent another hour and 3/4 quarters in a A and e reception behind the counter by chance due to my work yesterday.

The big problem apart from (truly ill people with mental disorders who were very scary due to their condtion) was the whole system was bogged down yet again by people with very suspect stories taking up so much of the Staffs time and then many had issues which should have been dealt with by a GP or a medicentre.
I witnessed with my own eyes 5 indivuals who gave such dodgy stories (addresses which didn't exist, and forgetting there own stories etc)
Most of the Patients were non indigeous brits due to the central london location. These included tourists, students, workers and family.

The GP they will not use as need I.D and Medicentre costs money im told.

This slowed down the time to see a member of staff for all. Means the time is limited.

Many dont give genuine contacts or addresses so when they are still ill/injured but stable im told they have no choice but to keep them there and then arrange transport. Taking up more resources.

Would i want like i saw in france years ago as a kid roads closed off and alll checked for ID? No

Something has to happen and I do view those that know they have no Valid Visa as criminals.
Like all crimnals there are ones who are evill and those who are forced into the act though desperation. Of course you treat the shoplifter who steals food to stay alive differently (i.e the overstayer who cant afford to go home for various reasons) to those who profit or gain enjoyment from crimnal acts or those who pay huge amounts to enter the Uk.


But I would not actively support people ilegally entering the country.

Maybe going round hunting down overstayers maybe a bit extreme, but what about those who support doing nothing.

Surely people are aware that crimnals normally from the same culture/country normally exploit those who would rather keep a low profile.


Some might belive the none of my business people are just as gulity when people trafickers and con people fleece and mistreat some of these people.

lastly can those who are happy for people to share there house and resources. Please post there addresses on here so we can all pop round please?

Remeber you live privilliged lives like this country so you would not care if there were loads of people other than your family sharing your house garden, food im sure.

Why should you keep your privilliged lives to your self?

Of course same for your 2nd propety in phill as well dont forget to share with all:D

Remeber no grassing up if people cause mayhem in your gaff as reporting people is not on.

Do remeber this site appears high in google searchs so if we start a thread "I have no problem with people sharing my house and resources" thread so more people can find it. Maybe we could put you on faceparty they get hundreds to parties in days?

If you really care for equal rights and sharing all with others let see some proof:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Personally to busy trying to help my own family and friends to help tehe whole world but carry on people.

can you pop the kettle on i will be round to borrow your sofa in an hour or so:D

[andypaul]

everyone is the victim, the British tax payer who has to pay for the immigration service, the 'over stayer' who wants a better life, who doesn't ? but comes to the uk and the only work they can get is where the boss exploits them paying them virtually nothing, the legal immigrant who has to pay for a visa, who faces more restrictive rules and longer qualifying period to live here permanently partly because of over stayers, and the biggest loser is the Brit who marries a non European and has to pay for the visa, immigration service needs paying for,and much of it by those who use it legally.

an over stayer is a criminal, they sign the visa app stating they will return when their visa expires, just like when you sign any contract, then you break it, you face the consequences, many have no intention of ever going back, if they were skilled they could apply for a work permit or HSMP. no so they break the law, making it harder for everyone else :NoNo:.

horrible time applying for visa:icon_lol:, the cost of a VV or student visa (the 2 fav visas used by over stayers) is nothing compared to the cost of a settlement visa, ILR or citizenship, how many illegal immigrants do you think, have nearly paid £4000 in visa fees, NONE ! must be just me then :doh

as for the rights we enjoy here in the uk, they are paid for by the tax payer,and tax payers before us, from our parents and grandparents who fought for those rights and paid for them, to give their kids a better life.. :rolleyes:

Word

The less spare tax we have means less aid for those abroad as well.

If i wanted to and had the spare cash i could sort the younger members of the family with a land title bung some cash in the bank for six months. bribe someone to offer them a job in phill.

Then with contacts i have here in the Uk sign them on with a college, plenty of them here in London. All the colleges I know of have Visa departments with experts who are very well used.
Many of the students come to do the minimum hours and level and they have to timetable the lessons to work around their jobs. I was in a conversation with several tutors and they mentioned some even pay other students to attend the classes.
Many smaller eatries and what not will employ them for the set hours they are allowed but happily pass them a enevlope for the extra hours.
Some they are paid in food for the extra time, heard this from those offered it. Others never get the pay how can they argue?
Again i have seen examples of employees and employer (with security) debating this matter in a very famous street where many on here would enjoy the food.

[joebloggs]

you can pop down, or up any time you want Andy, i hope my dogs drinking bowl will be OK for your cuppa thou, it's ok, I'll give it a good squirt of detol after you've gone :D

what most people seem to think, that all illegal immigrants are poor, many are, but some runs businesses in the UK, have rich parents, remember if their applying for a student visa, INT fees are at least £3,500 year and up to £18,000 a year, really poor hey if they can afford to pay up to £60,000 just for fees :doh

[andypaul]

you can pop down, or up any time you want Andy, i hope my dogs drinking bowl will be OK for your cuppa thou, it's ok, I'll give it a good squirt of detol after you've gone :D

what most people seem to think, that all illegal immigrants are poor, many are, but some runs businesses in the UK, have rich parents, remember if their applying for a student visa, INT fees are at least £3,500 year and up to £18,000 a year, really poor hey if they can afford to pay up to £60,000 just for fees :doh

If anyones in London PM me and i will point them in the direction of the nearest dodgy college. Check out the clothes, phones and other signs of wealth:D

Joe im sure you look after your Dog well better than thames water so I would be safe drinking the water:D

Actually I'll take the dettol as whats yours is mine.

[joebloggs]

Joe im sure you look after your Dog well better than thames water so I would be safe drinking the water:D

but the misses hates the dog, all dogs :NoNo:, i'm not sure if she sneaks something in it's water :piss2:

well that's true, there are many fake colleges and uni's, with the students working full time :D

well most of them fake ones should be gone soon, as they have to apply for a license, and the gov will be quick to cancel it, if they do anything dodgy, also they will be responsible for reporting students who do not attend class etc,,,

[andypaul]

but the misses hates the dog, all dogs :NoNo:, i'm not sure if she sneaks something in it's water :piss2:

well that's true, there are many fake colleges and uni's, with the students working full time :D

well most of them fake ones should be gone soon, as they have to apply for a license, and the gov will be quick to cancel it, if they do anything dodgy, also they will be responsible for reporting students who do not attend class etc,,,

Oh yes they are all vey strict on reporting students who dont turn up but all im told is forgiven if they have a good excuse. More time down A and E then getting a note :D

[joebloggs]

you pessimist Andy :NoNo:

your turning more right wing than me :NoNo:, coming from a life long labour voter, that was, until the last few years, no longer bother now :cwm24:

[andypaul]

you pessimist Andy :NoNo:

your turning more right wing than me :NoNo:, coming from a life long labour voter, that was, until the last few years, no longer bother now :cwm24:

LOL

No thats just from things i see and ear with my ears and eyes.

Cant stand right or left wing all meets round the opposite end to me. No difference between Stalin and Hitler for me.

One thing i do know many people who come here prepared to work hard or just on a student or vistor visa cant belive how silly the system is.

Its just like at school if the teachers dont offer any discipline or rules many well behaved and well intentioned pupils will sneak off lessons and generally break the odd rule.

[simplelife]

[QUOTE=Toyang;95454]If you knew someone whose overstaying and working illegally in the UK, are you going to report her/him to the Immigration Police?

Everyone have their own reason why they chose to violate the rules and working illegally, but rules are rules and everyone should follow it. I have been to UK several times and I `ve seen some fellow Filipinos who work legally but still struggling, because of the high cost of living in the UK, how much more for those who are working illegally?
I think most are being blind by the green pasture mentality, they thought that gold and wealth is very easy to dig in the west.
In my humble opinion, I would rather to work legally to other country, even its not wealthy country where I will have peace of mind and not looking at my shoulder all the time.

[keithAngel]

Glad to see we are still going on this one.

Having listened to all the aguments I have changed my opinion and come to the conclusion that the best solution to dealing with these "criminals" would be to adopt the Rodrigo R. Duterte policy of a swift bullet or dive off a high cliff kids and all, much more cost effective than due process, detention centers, hotels and repatriation and Im sure the message would get about perhaps when he is finished there he could apply for a visa and then run for P.M. might take a few years but it would be worth the wait:iagree:

http://www.preda.org/musicvideos/cnnitvdd.htm

[PeterB]

... the best solution to dealing with these "criminals" would be to adopt the Rodrigo R. Duterte policy of a swift bullet ...

Whatever opinion you have about the 'Death Squads', there is no doubt that this little corner of Mindanao is one of the safest, because of the policy shared by Duterte, Chung Uy, and other local mayors.

[joebloggs]

maybe for those few criminals who actually think before they commit a crime, that if the punishment is so serve if they are caught, that they might not commit the crime.

only last year i had to give evidence at a crown court in a £3m fraud trial, the poor jury had to sit there for 3 months, and the cost of the trial :yikes: and what did those involved get, suspended prison sentences, if i was on the jury i would be so :cwm23::furious3: that 3 months of my life was wasted, for those found guilty to walk free.

[simplelife]

Six illegal immigrants attempted to enter the UK by hiding themselves in Tesco shopping trolleys.


The six men, four Indians and two Afghans, were discovered hiding in a lorry full of shopping trolleys by UK Border Agency officials in Dunkerque, France.


The officials searched the Polish-registered lorry on Wednesday, 29 October before it was due to board a ferry to Dover.


http://chaisamosa.net/index.php/latest-news/20081106701/illegal-immigrants-tried-to-reach-uk-in-tesco-shopping-trolleys/menu-id-363html

[keithAngel]

Whatever opinion you have about the 'Death Squads', there is no doubt that this little corner of Mindanao is one of the safest, because of the policy shared by Duterte, Chung Uy, and other local mayors.

Absolutely Peter I can see how that would work ,its not dissimilar to the Thai attitude if locals use any kind of force to rob foreigners they get the chop too, as it has a negative impact on investment, interestingly my Honey says the perps who are bright enough to get the message in Davao often turn up in Cebu since unfortunately these enlightened policies are not yet adopted Nation wide due to lack of resources (ammo and fuel) The local foreigners though are having a Christmas Ball to raise funds:ARsurrender:

[Toyang]

Dozens of suspected illegal workers have been arrested as part of a raid at a chicken factory in Lancashire.


http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Workers-arrested-at-chicken-factory.4704095.jp

[Andy]

I agree with these 2 statements. Most illegals arrived here legally, but their visas have expired. The immigration system was so useless it wasn't recorded whether or not they left the UK. I wouldn't tell the authorities about overstayers. They're not claiming benefits from the UK and doing work that the Brits think too demeaning.

Andy
Surrey, UK




They are just people doing what they need to survive in a harsh world...
They will do what they have to do and will continue to slip through..Good luck to them and I would do the same in their position.
They know the consequences they face if caught.
The British gov are tough on immigrants when it suits them and then the European union soften them up a bit by opening the flood gates for them..
Thats perfectly fine though as it is all legal and above board..


I would not report them. I would, however, be very concerned that they are open to exploitation and have no health cover or any other basic protection while they are here.

Whats the point of reprting someone and almost certainly ruining their life and the lives of the family they depend on? You would have to be a cruel and heartless person to do that face to face.

[andypaul]

Absolutely Peter I can see how that would work ,its not dissimilar to the Thai attitude if locals use any kind of force to rob foreigners they get the chop too, as it has a negative impact on investment, interestingly my Honey says the perps who are bright enough to get the message in Davao often turn up in Cebu since unfortunately these enlightened policies are not yet adopted Nation wide due to lack of resources (ammo and fuel) The local foreigners though are having a Christmas Ball to raise funds:ARsurrender:



One Pub I used to frequent once had some plebs steal a few bags, due to the Irish conections in the PUB the gentleman were found, bags with all in them and possbily some compensation if the plebs had anything on them.
The Plebs were then re trained in the ways of acting in public.

I dont think they ever limped near the place again and crime was only a subject mentioned in the pub due to some outside event after that.
This Pub also had mental lock ins most evenings where any new late stayers were reminded to behave with a quick tap on the shoulder and a few words in the ear from rather tough gentleman. Offending let alone re offending never happened strangely.

This Pub even though it had a lot of Younger drinkers and big groups of blokes out on the lash, also had familys and older people by the table full as well. As they knew that it was as safe as their own house.

[Toyang]

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2009/01/03/illegal-immigrant-was-living-in-a-freezer-at-north-wales-restaurant-55578-2259567

[kermit123]

it is a shame for them but no sorry.i dont think thay let me stay in philippines with out a visa what ever reason i gave it would be bye bye gaz/maybs

[Toyang]

it is a shame for them but no sorry.i dont think thay let me stay in philippines with out a visa what ever reason i gave it would be bye bye gaz/maybs

:doh :NoNo:

[Mrs.JMajor]

:doh :NoNo:

Hello Toyang peace please,Do u mind if i ask,where u right now UK or PI :Hellooo:

peace :Hellooo:

[Toyang]

Hello Toyang peace please,Do u mind if i ask,where u right now UK or PI :Hellooo:

peace :Hellooo:

:) Im on the planet Earth. :yikes: (joke only!)

now am here in Cebu City. :)
you? where is that paradise? :icon_lol:

[Mrs.JMajor]

:) Im on the planet Earth. :yikes: (joke only!)

now am here in Cebu City. :)
you? where is that paradise? :icon_lol:

Thanks, feel relieved for your reply paradise is great yarmouth :)
Wanted to invite you for buffet lunch at Dad's place on Saturday w/ some members here :)

[misscarie]

Thanks, feel relieved for your reply paradise is great yarmouth :)
Wanted to invite you for buffet lunch at Dad's place on Saturday w/ some members here :)

are u paying again te juliet :omg: ???? I would like that :D

[Mrs.JMajor]

are u paying again te juliet :omg: ???? I would like that :D

Yah,if u can come,come over lol I am just sharing the blessing :xxgrinning--00xx3:

opps,sorry Toyang ,out of topic again :doh ,but i can assure you they are legal wifey of brits guys :icon_lol:

[Toyang]

Wanted to invite you for buffet lunch at Dad's place on Saturday w/ some members here :)

If you send me my airticket I would love to come. :icon_lol::icon_lol:
Thanks for the invitation.

[amyburple]

it was fun lol.... so stuff hahaha Looking forward to do it next time again i hope...:Rasp::Rasp::Rasp: