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maldita
29th October 2006, 23:34
I am getting married on 9th December 2006 in the Guildhall in Bath. Even if I am stingy and don't want to fuss about the wedding, I want a family member present. So I asked my mother and sister to apply for a visit visa for the wedding. My mother is still waiting for the Certificate of Non-availability of Birth Record from the NSO (which she needs to get a passport) so I told my sister to go ahead and apply on her own since we don't know how long it will take for the certificate to arrive.

Six days after the form was submitted to UKVACS, her documents were returned and with it was a Notice of Refusal. http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i153/werdina/scan0004.jpg
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My fiance and I called the AIT and they advised us to just file the appeal in the Philippines since it can take as long as 6 months if we file it here. I asked my fiance to write the British Embassy in Manila. This was the email we sent


Subject: Ref: MNL/
To: ManilaVisaEnquiries@fco.gov.uk;
Sent: Sun 22/10/2006 22:36

Dear Sir / Madam

I am writing to you following your decision to refuse the application
of . I am writing in the capacity of sponsor for Grace's visit to the UK.

Grace's visit was to allow her to be present at the wedding of her
sister ( ) and myself in Bath on 9th December 2006. I
feel the decision to refuse entry clearance was grossly unfair for the
following reasons.

The refusal letter states that Grace has failed to supply evidence that
her sister is in the UK, however, such evidence was not sought in
document titled "Visit Visa Requirements" issued by the Visa Section of
the British Embassy Manila.
The refusal letter states that Grace has failed to supply evidence that
her sister and I are getting married, however, such evidence was not
sought in document titled "Visit Visa Requirements" issued by the Visa
Section of the British Embassy Manila.
The refusal letter states that Grace has failed to supply evidence that
she is a student, financially supported by her parents, however, such
evidence was not sought in document titled "Visit Visa Requirements"
issued by the Visa Section of the British Embassy Manila.

I think you might see a pattern emerging.

The Visa Section of the British Embassy Manila should realise better
than most that for many filipinos and filipinas, dealing with Her
Britannic Majesty's Government can be an extremely intimidating
experience, and under such conditions they seek to comply, to the
letter, with any guidance given by the Government of the UK. It is not
surprising, therefore, that in this case, Grace simply supplied the
documents which had been requested. (in document titled "Visit Visa
Requirements" issued by the Visa Section of the British Embassy Manila.)
The evidence you see as lacking in Grace's application is freely
available and, had we known that it was required it would most certainly
have been supplied. In the case of Michelle’s application for her
settlement visa the procedure seemed much more sensible, following your
receipt of her application you required further information and
requested she bring it to her interview – simple. To state that Grace
had not supplied any evidence that her sister is in the UK displays, in
my humble opinion, a remarkably lackadaisical attitude towards record
keeping and retrieval on your part. Quite apart from the clearly-visible
immigration stamp shown on the copy of Michelle's passport’s visa page,
which you already have, would it really have been that difficult to
check that Michelle's visa had been checked at her entry-point into the
UK? I can send you some photos of us in Trafalgar Square if you like!
Furthermore I am most annoyed that despite my letter, sent to Grace and
viewed by yourselves which clearly states that we are inviting Grace to
be present at her sister's wedding, you find yourselves at liberty to
dismiss what I say, presumably as lies. Did it not occur to you that, as
her sister had been granted a marriage visa (for which we had to pay a
considerable fee) and that, under the terms of that visa the wedding
would have to take place before the end of January it does in fact seem
entirely reasonable to be attending a wedding on 9th December?

To support Grace's "claim" that her sister is in the UK her sister can
supply:-

* Copy of visa page from Michelle's passport with Heathrow
immigration officer's stamp, in fact THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN SUPPLIED
* Photocard Driving Licence issued by DVLA
* Bath & N.E. Somerset council tax bill showing both Michelle's and
my names.
* Bath and N.E. Somerset 'Resident's Discovery Card' (photocard)
which is an official confirmation of Michelle's residence within
the county (and therefore, the U.K.) issued by this local
government office.

To support Graces "claim" that her sister and I are getting married on
9th December in Bath I can supply:-

* Provisional booking form from Bath and North East Somerset
Registration Service.
* Receipt from Bath Register Office for £150 fee paid for the
wedding ceremony.
* Receipt from Bristol Register Office for £60 for the registration
of intention to marry.
* Certificate issued by the Superintendant Registrar at Bristol
Register Office
* Statements from my father and my brother who will be best man.
* Photographs of the rings if that helps

To support Grace's "claim" that she is a student supported by her
parents (in fact supported by her mother as their father passed away
some years ago) she can supply :-

* Copies of cheques written by her mother to the school.
* Copy of her enrolment at the school.
* Her student I.D. card.

Furthermore, with regard to your concerns about Grace's returning to the
Philippines on the date given by her you should be aware that in January
Grace sits her final exams for a four year B.S. Degree course in
Nursing. A four year course....... January.......

All of these documents are, and always have been available. You merely
needed to ask for them. Would it really have been so difficult to ask
Grace to attend an interview and to bring these things along with her?
Now we are faced with the very real prospect of an appeal procedure
which in all probability will take so long as to preclude Grace from
attending her only sister's wedding. Furthermore, I am faced with the
prospect of seeing my bride walking down the aisle with tears running
down her face on what should be the happiest day of her life. All you
had to do was ask for the documents. You should realise the real-life
impact of your actions and you should be ashamed at a procedure that
precludes honest, scrupulous people from visiting their own family
members at times when their support is needed most. I really do not
think you tried very hard to ensure a comprehensively fair examination
in this case. Please give details of any procedure allowing us to supply
these documents to you now as additional documents in an attempt to
expedite the forthcoming appeal procedure. As I'm sure you can imagine,
this is an urgent request.

Yours sincerely


The response of the ECO was this:
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This was our response to his email.
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The documents are now in the British Embassy. We are anxiously waiting for the result. If the ECO doesn't change his decision, I plan to file it in the AIT and insist on an oral hearing. I really feel that the ECO was wrong in his decision to refuse my sister.

It makes me wonder if I should still file for another Family Visit Visa application for my mum since I will be using the same documents in her application.

I also plan to make a complaint against N. Ahmad.

:bigcry:I'm so frustrated and angry. I just want a family member to be present on my wedding.:bigcry:

baboyako
29th October 2006, 23:47
My advise is to forget about it.

Have a 'discrete', simple wedding in bath, then fly to the fil & have a wedding blessing and one big party :xxparty-smiley-050::66::xxparty-smiley-050::Beer::xxparty-smiley-050:.

December is too late to do anything. Don't put off your marriage just because of this, don't let the bast@rds get you down :cwm23: :censored:

robeth
30th October 2006, 03:15
I also plan to make a complaint against N. Ahmad.

:bigcry:I'm so frustrated and angry. I just want a family member to be present on my wedding.:bigcry:

interesting and frustrating.

i really have a lot of personal opinion about these but for the moment,i second of what baboyako was saying...move on and make things easier for ur fiance in getting married.it's his wedding too.

eljean
30th October 2006, 06:22
as far as what i read i think after that refusal and reappeal i think they will be able to get the visa.....i think in every application the best thing you can do is to supply all the evidences that you have just to prove to them your purpose of entry in UK....as what caught me is they keep on stating that lack evidences seems to be the reason of refusal....and i think if they have send it together with there application all the evidences that they have mention in there appeal i think they will be able to get ....just like what people keeps in telling in the furom you have to satisfied the ECO....so feed them lots of evidences......you will be fine and get married!:rolleyes:

Chrisirene
30th October 2006, 06:38
I Absolutely AGREE of what baboyako was saying.....

maldita
30th October 2006, 07:54
Of course we will not move the wedding day because of that. The post was more of a rant, really.

:yikes: Get married in the Philippines?!:yikes: And have the whole barrio come even if they are uninvited?! I wanted the wedding here so I could avoid that :icon_lol: (and the priest. my mum has been trying to get me exorcised for the past 15 years)

Oh well, back to work now.

Chrisirene
30th October 2006, 08:20
Of course we will not move the wedding day because of that. The post was more of a rant, really.

:yikes: Get married in the Philippines?!:yikes: And have the whole barrio come even if they are uninvited?! I wanted the wedding here so I could avoid that :icon_lol:

Oh well, back to work now.

:omg: hmmmm....ohhh Yahhh???? thats what u think the people in PI? what the :furious3: :censored: :cwm23:

Doc898
30th October 2006, 09:21
:yikes: Get married in the Philippines?!:yikes: And have the whole barrio come even if they are uninvited?! I wanted the wedding here so I could avoid that :icon_lol: .

I agree to that! Being the only girl and the first one to get married in the family,i had 2 receptions last May 2006,one from the hotel ballroom(where formal reception ceremony took place and close family friends & relatives from the society were all invited) and another informal reception at the back garden of my parents house where our employees and the so-called-uninvited-guests (it's inevitable anyway) can enjoy as well. At the end of the day, what matters most is that we're already married and now enjoying the cold-windy-days in hampshire!

KeithD
30th October 2006, 10:31
"Entitlement to Right of Abose"........."You have failed to provide any evidence that your sister is in the UK"

You've used the wrong application for a visitors visa haven't you?

fred
30th October 2006, 10:43
My sister in law was also refused some years back.. I know how you feel..
My mother in law was however given a visa and stayed here for 6 months.
(talk about bad luck):NoNo:

IainBusby
30th October 2006, 11:24
Hi Maldita,

I think it's best when you send these complaints or enquiries to the embassy in Manila to also copy and paste them into the email box at the bottom of the UKvisas Enquiry page, http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1006977150196

And also mention in the email that you send to Manila that you have done so. That way they will know that their decisions or responses might come under scrutiny at a higher level.

Iain.

maldita
30th October 2006, 12:21
"Entitlement to Right of Abose"........."You have failed to provide any evidence that your sister is in the UK"

You've used the wrong application for a visitors visa haven't you?



I don't think so. We got the forms from the embassy. All of them including the checklist.

maldita
24th November 2006, 03:13
Hello. I've been sick for weeks now.

Anyway, we filed for the visa appeal last November 3. Since we did not get any response after two weeks, my fiance and I decided that it is time for my sister to just file another application.

This time we were lucky.

November 21 - application was filed in UKVACS
November 22 - got an email from an ECO stating that my mom and sister has been granted their visa
November 23 - UKVACS showed that their applications have been dispatched
November 24 - passport with visa arrived HURRAH!


So what does this say? I have no idea!

All I know is that visa approval solely depends on the person who reviews the documents. If they think you're lying, then you're out of luck.

I wonder when they will return my documents. I have to file for FLR soon and they have my passport. :doh

KeithD
24th November 2006, 10:50
Hello. I've been sick for weeks now.


Sorry to hear that.......please do not cough on the forum :icon_lol:

IainBusby
24th November 2006, 11:46
This time we were lucky.

November 21 - application was filed in UKVACS
November 22 - got an email from an ECO stating that my mom and sister has been granted their visa
November 23 - UKVACS showed that their applications have been dispatched
November 24 - passport with visa arrived HURRAH!

That's Great, It's so nice that you'll have some family members there on your big day.



I wonder when they will return my documents. I have to file for FLR soon and they have my passport.

BTW, I was told by UKVACS that with regard to official documents sent from the UK, passports etc, photocopies are acceptable. This is their exact words. "Further to our earlier email, the British Embassy only requires photocopies of the sponsor’s passports; sponsor’s original passports are not required."

Iain.

KeithD
24th November 2006, 12:00
I'd have them certified by a solicitor just to be on the safe side though. Best not to give them any reasons for a possible refusal.

vbkelly
25th November 2006, 13:53
hi maldita best wishes in advance,and wedding here in uk is very different not like philippines you can feel the blessing from GOD

andypaul
25th November 2006, 14:00
Congrats on the good news and hope you feel better real soon. Remeber to cover the keyboard with a hankichief if you sneeze while on the forum:)