Am I being fooled???

[pacificelectric]

I have been in a long distance relation with a widow from Davao and in spite of some arguments and misunderstandings have been able to build something quite strong. For some reasons I have had insecurities because of her past as she has been married for 12 years before being widowed and now and then I had these fears that her past would interfere with our present and future.

Recently we had other arguments and things have become more difficult and perhaps because I am starting to wonder if this relation is really viable I decided today to discuss a topic which we virtually never discussed before: the future of her children once we would be married and after she would move to France with me.

She has three children: one daughter aged 23, a licensed nurse recently graduated, a son aged 19 who is studying to be a chef and a daughter not even of legal age, due to be 18 in March 2010.

So far she has been very open minded and willing to discuss freely and openly any subject, but when I asked her what would happen to her children after the marriage she immediately closed down and told me in an embarrassed tone that she was reluctant to discuss it as she preferred to wait until we would be together as I should visit her in September.

I politely but firmly insisted and she said that it would be better to discuss that later, perhaps after the marriage (!) and she said that normally in the Philippines you should not add an embarrassment to another one and since (she said) I have anxieties about her past I should not discuss her children’s future now. She’s 50, intelligent and smart but I am 54 and not totally dumb. I clearly sensed from her voice that she was just finding a cheap excuse to avoid the topic and when I ended up asking bluntly if she intended to bring her children with her in France she said “of course not”...

We parted a bit coldly and after she sent me an e-mail of which I am showing this excerpt:

i'd better discuss things about my children if we are alone and talking face to face. i dont want to make you anxious about them as for me its still too early. we have to meet first before anything else. i'm glad its already next month and i'm sure we can plan and discuss it openly when we will be alone. i dont want to add your anxiety coz i observed we still argue on my past and and you have not overcome yet your personal anxiety...

Quite smart indeed.... But this of course is interesting:

my family will not be a total burden to you. everything in the future that involves you, will be openly discussed and for you to decide of course.

My understanding is that what is not a total burden is a partial burden and this is probably what needs to be “openly” discussed.... :cwm34:

I have never suspected her of being a gold digger even if she is not affluent but this recent incident on top of her frantic desire to get married as soon as possible are instilling some doubts in my mind..... I know that when you marry a Filipina you marry the whole family but I have read enough stuff on this very forum about quarrels and misunderstandings over “sustento” and financial assistance to the relatives to be careful and even if I am not kuripot I do not like to look at myself in a mirror and see the word “sucker” engraved on my forehead....

[Tawi2]

Difficult call,when you marry a pinay you dont always marry the family,depends upon the individual,some owe more allegiance to their husband others still feel more love towards their family,and some are torn in two with utang na loob:Erm:Women cant be categorised,Oh my filipina wife is submissive,she is quiet,she does this...she does that....thats crap,women the world over are exactly the same though countries like pinas place a greater emphasis on family collectives rather than the individuality we do here in the west,hence their reliance on ang pamilya,she is wrong about we dont chat about things like this openly in Pinas,I have known women who were 110% honest and open with me,and that was and is also from Dabaw,I think you might have a few surprises in store reading between the lines :Erm:

[Tawi2]

Frantic desire to get married ASAP:Erm:Hear that sound?Its alarm bells ringing in the distance,you could be the last train out of town :NoNo:Lots of guys jump in out of their depth,meet a nice lady online,fall for her smile,her sweet words,marry in haste repent at leisure is a truism,I have seen it with dozens,maybe hundreds of guys over the years living here,in Hong Kong or the time I spent in Pinas,sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt,but 9 times out of 10 the one who wanted the rush wedding was the lady :NoNo:

[Tawi2]

In her defence however can I just say if you really,truly,deeply love a woman enough to accept her "Baggage"(and I hate that term as I have some of my own)then you should also be prepared to carry it for her as she has struggled with it for a while and its heavy :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[trader dave]

:Erm::Erm: i relive my stories by past experiances :Erm: i would imagine i upset a few people along the way but:xxangry-smiley-009: i dont care
i say it how i have found it

i have been involved with the philippines and pilipinas for the past 15 yrs so i know a little how it works and it is quite simple MONEY IS NUMBER 1 :icon_lol:


you are an investment to any pilipina and her family:cwm34: so my friend YOU MAKE THE RULES:D get everything in the open now you insist on AN OPEN And honest relationship FROM DAY 1 AND INSIST NO FECKING LIES if it does not feel right walk away my friend :Hellooo: dont take that crap we will discuss it after we are MARRIED :yikes::yikes: if she is pushing get out while you can

[pacificelectric]

Frantic desire to get married ASAP

Yes, frantic. When I told her we should first go to the Embassy and apply for a Certificate of no Impediment and would have to wait several months for the response she was just distressed and wondered why we could not just marry when I walked off the plane. No kidding! This can be acceptable for a young Pinay but she is 50 and when she married first, that was with her college bf, and they dated 7 years before saying "I do"...... :icon_lol:

[Tawi2]

Pacific,your going to get ladies later telling you give her the benefit of the doubt.....Understand her.....etc.....etc....etc,you know why?Because they empathise more,Trader Dave is giving you wise counsel,no offence intended to Dave but I know he has been about a bit,he knows the score,no woman would be desperate to marry you without meeting unless...........Go into the kitchen,get your egg timer and turn it over,see the sands of time running out?Always be a bit wary,its like the sands at Morcambe Bay,it all looks the same to the inexperienced eye,but some will suck you under,some will be firm and support you,step back and examine the situation from a different angle :icon_lol:

[britishdetained]

Yes, frantic. When I told her we should first go to the Embassy and apply for a Certificate of no Impediment and would have to wait several months for the response she was just distressed and wondered why we could not just marry when I walked off the plane. No kidding! This can be acceptable for a young Pinay but she is 50 and when she married first, that was with her college bf, and they dated 7 years before saying "I do"...... :icon_lol:

Marriage is something you must plan well:xxgrinning--00xx3:. No reason for a rush especially if not all the cards are laid on the table. :rolleyes:

[Tawi2]

Marriage is something you must plan well:xxgrinning--00xx3:. No reason for a rush especially if not all the cards are laid on the table. :rolleyes:

Let me tell you something,you impress me more and more,Kevin has a good catch:xxgrinning--00xx3:Pacific,she panicked when you mentioned the delay in wedding plans because she thought the train was pulling out of the station and she hadnt got her ticket,pinas is a matriarchal society,its run by the women,even their president is a woman,BUT its the guys who pull the strings,your a guy,lay out your cards on the table,show her your hand then ask to see hers(check her sleeve,just in case she has an ace secreted away up there)Its not being chauvenistic,thats a concept that hasnt surfaced over there yet I have had relationships with a number of women over there from a number of different social backgrounds,they all wanted/expected me to take control,they actually told me that,your the one sitting in the drivers seat mate,most pinays wont burn their bras and shout for womens lib :icon_lol:

[britishdetained]

]Let me tell you something,you impress me more and more,Kevin has a good catch:xxgrinning--00xx3:[/B]Pacific,she panicked when you mentioned the delay in wedding plans because she thought the train was pulling out of the station and she hadnt got her ticket,pinas is a matriarchal society,its run by the women,even their president is a woman,BUT its the guys who pull the strings,your a guy,lay out your cards on the table,show her your hand then ask to see hers(check her sleeve,just in case she has an ace secreted away up there)Its not being chauvenistic,thats a concept that hasnt surfaced over there yet I have had relationships with a number of women over there from a number of different social backgrounds,they all wanted/expected me to take control,they actually told me that,your the one sitting in the drivers seat mate,most pinays wont burn their bras and shout for womens lib :icon_lol:

I hope so...just trying to be honest with pacific:xxgrinning--00xx3::)

Remember this...you need to check out first the best shoes for you before you purchase it! Marriage is something that you must plan very well. Besides, it is her that you are marrying (if it can be) but her children should not be your burden (gosh they are old already..) Its shameful but true many pinays want white guy for MONEY. But remember your the guy...you must be in control of your life. Nobody must point a gun on your head to tell you WHAT SHE WANTS.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[trader dave]

Pacific,your going to get ladies later telling you give her the benefit of the doubt.....Understand her.....etc.....etc....etc,you know why?Because they empathise more,Trader Dave is giving you wise counsel,no offence intended to Dave but I know he has been about a bit,he knows the score,no woman would be desperate to marry you without meeting unless...........Go into the kitchen,get your egg timer and turn it over,see the sands of time running out?Always be a bit wary,its like the sands at Morcambe Bay,it all looks the same to the inexperienced eye,but some will suck you under,some will be firm and support you,step back and examine the situation from a different angle :icon_lol:


thanks tawi you just put it a little more diplomaticly than me :icon_lol::icon_lol: you have such a way with words:icon_lol::icon_lol:

[Tawi2]

Well said :xxgrinning--00xx3:Its normally deflowered disgraced virgins who are marched quickly down the aisle to avoid shame :icon_lol: you have made several uncertain posts in the past,you have an underlying current of unease,something you feel isnt quite right but you cant quite put your finger on it,your the guy,the head of the household,you pay the bills,you make the arrangements,your the one who says green for go!But she certainly wants you putting a ring on her finger PDQ and thats got to set alarms ringing seeing as how you only met her scant months ago,lots of guys never meet their true soul-mate,they settle for an "almost" woman,she is almost perfect but they dont have many options so they take whats available,its always best to hold out a little,the world still turns,life still goes on but the planet is filled with women :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Tawi2]

thanks tawi you just put it a little more diplomaticly than me :icon_lol::icon_lol: you have such a way with words:icon_lol::icon_lol:

Dave,we used to call it pussy-whipped,a guy would get involved with the first woman who flashed him a smile,its a waste of time saying avoid her because remember when your mum said "Dave dont do that" whats the first thing you did when she turned her back?:xxgrinning--00xx3::icon_lol: Its always best to learn by experience,she is a cruel teacher but you never forget her lessons :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[britishdetained]

Dave,we used to call it pussy-whipped,a guy would get involved with the first woman who flashed him a smile,its a waste of time saying avoid her because remember when your mum said "Dave dont do that" whats the first thing you did when she turned her back?:xxgrinning--00xx3::icon_lol: Its always best to learn by experience,she is a cruel teacher but you never forget her lessons :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:yikes::omg::omg:i never learned my lesson then:omg::icon_lol:
:NoNo:

[joebloggs]

married to the family, i think i'm married to the whole block :doh
:D

sounds to me she's embarrassed about asking you to help her kids out til they have left uni :Erm: as you have not offered to help, or have you ??

so what do you want to happen to her kids (thou not really kids being 23, 19 and nearly 18) ?

maybe she wants them with her or you to help support the 2 younger ones ?

thou uni costs are not much compared to here.

[Tawi2]

9 times out of 10 I got my fingers burnt :icon_lol:Pacific,dont take any of this as a personal critique,its just borne out by experiences down the line,we all have to jump into the pool and test the depth for ourselves,I was at the pearl Farm on Samal earlier this year,enjoy your holiday :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[pacificelectric]

married to the family, i think i'm married to the whole block :doh
:D

sounds to me she's embarrassed about asking you to help her kids out til they have left uni :Erm: as you have not offered to help, or have you ??



Last week I sent her 60.000 pesos to have age spots removed from her cheek with diamond laser peel by a dermatologist, so perhaps she thinks I print banknotes in the cellar...... :icon_lol:

I bet this is more less what she has in mind but she also is not sure how deep I have swallowed the bait so far. She is very smart and even if she claims she loves me with passion I am sure she has something in mind for her children.

[joebloggs]

Last week I sent her 60.000 pesos to have age spots removed from her cheek with diamond laser peel by a dermatologist, so perhaps she thinks I print banknotes in the cellar...... :icon_lol:

I bet this is more less what she has in mind but she also is not sure how deep I have swallowed the bait so far. She is very smart and even if she claims she loves me with passion I am sure she has something in mind for her children.

:doh, just be thankful her kids didn't ask for it to :D

did she ask you to pay for the treatment or did you offer ?

i could write a book for the things i've paid for, from A to Z :NoNo:

[Tawi2]

Its a bit like a leaking tap,replace the washer and fix it when you first notice the drip,or the flow just gets faster and faster till its unstoppable :icon_lol:

[trader dave]

my wife now wants me to be so much in control of here life i find it unearving :doh but if you understand her life before you would understand why she has never had the loving caring family upbringing she no relations no one has ever showed her any attention no one has ever cared :Erm:


so now i am everything to her father figure ,husband ,lover the whole lot :doh

which brings its own concerns but as far as material things go SHE ASKS FOR NOTHING and she never pushed to get married it was me who pushed because i could see a gem but i am a realist :icon_lol::icon_lol:

[britishdetained]

Last week I sent her 60.000 pesos to have age spots removed from her cheek with diamond laser peel by a dermatologist, so perhaps she thinks I print banknotes in the cellar...... :icon_lol:

I bet this is more less what she has in mind but she also is not sure how deep I have swallowed the bait so far. She is very smart and even if she claims she loves me with passion I am sure she has something in mind for her children.

...just an advice, never show too much money nor pamper women with luxury. You will be loved not because on how much you can guve but because youre a wonderful person. remember this...women are born materialistic, but if they are tame then you'll see the real lady in her. Love is something you cant buy nor bribe with. You can be loved unconditionally without anything in return:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Matt7]

Can I ask if she asked too? I think me and my girlfriend are both trying to work out the same thing on this forum.

Are you threatened she'd love you less if you refused to pay for things? Maybe you'd feel more comfortable with the relationship if you treated it as you would any other. If you throw money at her and she willingly accepts it then you set a dangerous precedent. She will come to expect it and you will probably end up resenting the fact you spend excessive amounts on sometimes frivolous things.

From what I have seen, as a generalisation on these forums, its when people actively start treating their relationship differently to what they would with any other girlfriend that problems start to occur. Would you feel so uncomfortable if you hadn't have forked out 60,000 PHP for this surgery?

To say you marry into Filipino families in some sense true, but would you expect an English girlfriend to dump her kids and move abroad for you? No. If your other half has a family from another relationship you marry into that family regardless of colour, creed, or country

[Matt7]

...just an advice, never show too much money nor pamper women with luxury. You will be loved not because on how much you can guve but because youre a wonderful person. remember this...women are born materialistic, but if they are tame then you'll see the real lady in her. Love is something you cant buy nor bribe with. You can be loved unconditionally without anything in return:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Well said

[pacificelectric]

:doh, just be thankful her kids didn't ask for it to :D

did she ask you to pay for the treatment or did you offer ?

i could write a book for the things i've paid for, from A to Z :NoNo:

Actually I noticed she had these spots on a close up photo and in doubt I forwarded the photo to a friend of mine who is a dermatologist and her advice was that she should see a specialist and I offered the treatment in full knowledge and I am glad I did as the spots could have spread. I really cannot say she is taking advantage of me and lately I discovered she pawned things to pay invoices and she would not tell me as she felt shameful but with the issue of her children's future I feel like I have hit a very sensitive spot......

[Tawi2]

I have known someone for five years,she is incredibly intelligent,gave up a VERY good job with many fringe benefits plus car for me,she has a great job now,lots of travel,but you know something?She is in Pinas but not once,never,ever has she even hinted at money,in fact I felt bad last week when she asked did I want something from the states which is maybe 50,000 pesos?True love doesnt have the kerching of a cash register in the background or pound or dollar signs in the eyes :NoNo: We all have a gut instinct for a reason,if something just doesnt seem right its your internal alarm telling you maybe you should step back from the edge.

[Jay&Zobel]

Pacific,your going to get ladies later telling you give her the benefit of the doubt.....Understand her.....etc.....etc....etc,you know why?Because they empathise more,:icon_lol:

NOPE, not me... :NoNo::NoNo: Haste makes waste :xxgrinning--00xx3: and I believe in long courtship period hahaha :xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3: Being courted and wooed is just awesome! :D:D:xxgrinning--00xx3::cwm38:



She has three children: one daughter aged 23, a licensed nurse recently graduated, a son aged 19 who is studying to be a chef and a daughter not even of legal age, due to be 18 in March 2010.


sounds to me she's embarrassed about asking you to help her kids out til they have left uni :Erm: as you have not offered to help, or have you ??

so what do you want to happen to her kids (thou not really kids being 23, 19 and nearly 18) ?

maybe she wants them with her or you to help support the 2 younger ones ?

thou uni costs are not much compared to here.


Yep, that's what I thought too... If you will be married the soonest, the sooner she can fly with you & her nearly 18 child might come with her too?:Erm: (as she isn't not yet in the legal age). Could be possible that they would want to be French citizens somehow. Or she's just expecting to send money to help support them...

But in a way, if you are going to marry someone who has kids already, you need to reall take some responsibilies for them... :Erm:

[Jay&Zobel]

PhP60,000 for a diamond peel? :NoNo::NoNo: That's like a boob job in PI? :Erm: lol

You haven't even met her yet you are spending so much money on her:NoNo::NoNo:. What more when you are together... :NoNo:

[joebloggs]

Actually I noticed she had these spots on a close up photo and in doubt I forwarded the photo to a friend of mine who is a dermatologist and her advice was that she should see a specialist and I offered the treatment in full knowledge and I am glad I did as the spots could have spread. I really cannot say she is taking advantage of me and lately I discovered she pawned things to pay invoices and she would not tell me as she felt shameful but with the issue of her children's future I feel like I have hit a very sensitive spot......

well then that's good you offered :xxgrinning--00xx3:,has she ever asked for large amounts of money of expensive things ?

i've got 2 step kids, thou they are a lot younger than your g/fs, from the start they were included in our plans b4 we married. looks like you've both have not agreed on this yet. maybe you should ask her what she truly wants for her kids. as i've said maybe she is embarrassed to ask you to help support her kids.. so maybe your not being fooled :Erm:

[britishdetained]

True love doesnt have the kerching of a cash register in the background or pound or dollar signs in the eyes :NoNo: We all have a gut instinct for a reason,if something just doesnt seem right its your internal alarm telling you maybe you should step back from the edge.[/QUOTE]

true in deed:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Piamed]

In my view it is not at all unreasonable for a woman to want to bring her children to where she will be living or at least to provide assitance to them. I'd be concerned about any woman that did not have the welfare of any kids she had in mind.

You mentioned that you have anxieties and your lady has also asserted the same. Clearly, she feels concerned that you might not be prepared to consider her unless she povides whatever asurances you made led her to believe you require. For her part, she would like to meet with you first so that you judge her on the basis of who she is and whatever chemistry exists rather than a rather impersonal alignment with a checklist of criteria.

That is how it appears to me. I dont think there is any direct evidence suggesting that she is a goldigger at all.

[pacificelectric]

well then that's good you offered :xxgrinning--00xx3:,has she ever asked for large amounts of money of expensive things ?

i've got 2 step kids, thou they are a lot younger than your g/fs, from the start they were included in our plans b4 we married. looks like you've both have not agreed on this yet. maybe you should ask her what she truly wants for her kids. as i've said maybe she is embarrassed to ask you to help support her kids.. so maybe your not being fooled :Erm:

She actually never asked for money, although she has made it clear from the start that as a widow with three children she needed to budget things but she never asked for anything.... and she showed me the invoice of the dermatologist on webcam!

[dontpushme]

Last week I sent her 60.000 pesos to have age spots removed from her cheek with diamond laser peel by a dermatologist, so perhaps she thinks I print banknotes in the cellar...... :icon_lol:

:doh:doh:doh:doh

Are you serious? I have a friend who performs diamond peels for the wealthy in Makati (the business district in Metro Manila) and those don't cost half of what you sent! And your lady friend lives in Davao (a place where the cost of living is lower). I'm honestly shocked that you fell for this hook, line and sinker.

Guys, please don't fall of the sob stories you hear (e.g. pawning stuff off? and diamond peels aren't necessities). It's quite saddening to read so many posts from guys who feel that they're helping when in fact they're only making things worse by continuing the notion that those women have that white men have all the money in the world and that it's only fair to share that money with every Tina, Donna and Laura that "needed" it.

[Matt7]

She actually never asked for money, although she has made it clear from the start that as a widow with three children she needed to budget things but she never asked for anything.... and she showed me the invoice of the dermatologist on webcam!

I don't think the problem is that she's spending the money legitimately. I think its that you've given her so much money with no real structure to the relationship. To me, you've perceived this as a handout and are worried she'll come to expect more from you as a result of this. You may be right, you may be wrong.

But in my humble opinion throwing money around isn't going to help anybody, money is no foundation to build a relationship on

[Jay&Zobel]

:doh:doh:doh:doh

Are you serious? I have a friend who performs diamond peels for the wealthy in Makati (the business district in Metro Manila) and those don't cost half of what you sent! And your lady friend lives in Davao (a place where the cost of living is lower). I'm honestly shocked that you fell for this hook, line and sinker.

Guys, please don't fall of the sob stories you hear (e.g. pawning stuff off? and diamond peels aren't necessities). It's quite saddening to read so many posts from guys who feel that they're helping when in fact they're only making things worse by continuing the notion that those women have that white men have all the money in the world and that it's only fair to share that money with every Tina, Donna and Laura that "needed" it.



But in my humble opinion throwing money around isn't going to help anybody, money is no foundation to build a relationship on



:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3: Very true!!!

[britishdetained]

:doh:doh:doh:doh

Are you serious? I have a friend who performs diamond peels for the wealthy in Makati (the business district in Metro Manila) and those don't cost half of what you sent! And your lady friend lives in Davao (a place where the cost of living is lower). I'm honestly shocked that you fell for this hook, line and sinker.

Guys, please don't fall of the sob stories you hear (e.g. pawning stuff off? and diamond peels aren't necessities). It's quite saddening to read so many posts from guys who feel that they're helping when in fact they're only making things worse by continuing the notion that those women have that white men have all the money in the world and that it's only fair to share that money with every Tina, Donna and Laura that "needed" it.

Agree to that:xxgrinning--00xx3:, we mold the person who we want to be with:)

[joebloggs]

She actually never asked for money, although she has made it clear from the start that as a widow with three children she needed to budget things but she never asked for anything.... and she showed me the invoice of the dermatologist on webcam!

well a good point is her children are not children any more, the youngest is nearly 18, maybe she can get a job in France and use part of her wage to support her kids (that's what my misses does).

you just need to get her to talk about it, easier said than done thou :doh

are you French or a Brit living in France ?

[Tawi2]

Chi si marita in fretta, stenta adagio,marry in haste repent at leisure,ask her whats the rush,you obviously dont feel comfortable at the speed its going hence the thread,maybe you should apply the brakes just enough to be in full control,but as I said earlier if your willing to accept a woman with baggage its your duty as a man to carry it for her when she tires.

[pacificelectric]

In my view it is not at all unreasonable for a woman to want to bring her children to where she will be living or at least to provide assitance to them. I'd be concerned about any woman that did not have the welfare of any kids she had in mind.

You mentioned that you have anxieties and your lady has also asserted the same. Clearly, she feels concerned that you might not be prepared to consider her unless she povides whatever asurances you made led her to believe you require. For her part, she would like to meet with you first so that you judge her on the basis of who she is and whatever chemistry exists rather than a rather impersonal alignment with a checklist of criteria.

That is how it appears to me. I dont think there is any direct evidence suggesting that she is a goldigger at all.

I do not see her as a golddigger either but I found it surprising, to say the least, that she expressed reluctance to discuss something that might impact our common future if any, this on top of an obsession with fast marriage.

[pacificelectric]

well a good point is her children are not children any more, the youngest is nearly 18, maybe she can get a job in France and use part of her wage to support her kids (that's what my misses does).

you just need to get her to talk about it, easier said than done thou :doh

are you French or a Brit living in France ?


I am a French living in France and I do not believe she can be successful on the job market at 50 with no knowledge of the language and in fact I doubt her children are interested in following her over here.....

[Jay&Zobel]

I do not see her as a golddigger either but I found it surprising, to say the least, that she expressed reluctance to discuss something that might impact our common future if any, this on top of an obsession with fast marriage.

Or maybe because she's already 50... :xxgrinning--00xx3: that's why :Erm: She might feel that time is GOLD :Erm:

[Pepe n Pilar]

Last week I sent her 60.000 pesos to have age spots removed from her cheek with diamond laser peel by a dermatologist, so perhaps she thinks I print banknotes in the cellar...... :icon_lol:



Diamond peel costs between P5K-P10K. This is done on 3 or 5 sessions. The P60K is so much for that even if she bought the recommended facial treatments to maintain the smooth clear skin w/c is nearly P20K, still i find it too much.
So only age spots from her cheek was removed?:rolleyes:... i can't tell how dark it is.... was it like a birthmark? Maybe the amount depends on how it is well rooted deep down the skin..... but P60K is too much!:doh:NoNo:

[Sim11UK]

Am i missing the point here? :Erm:

In the email she sent you, it sounds like she is being realistically cautious.
She's waiting to make plans, until you meet properly in person.

From some of your other posts Pacific, I've been getting the impression it's you who is keen to marry quickly?

You haven't met yet...you need to spend time together, a good amount of time, before you make any plans.

Caution has always been advised on this forum, about sending money, to someone you haven't met in person.

[pacificelectric]

Diamond peel costs between P5K-P10K. This is done on 3 or 5 sessions. The P60K is so much for that even if she bought the recommended facial treatments to maintain the smooth skin w/c is nearly P20K, still i find it too much.
So only age spots from her cheek was removed?:rolleyes:... i can't tell how dark it is.... was it like a birthmark? Maybe the amount depends on how it is well rooted deep down the skin..... but P60K is too much!:doh:NoNo:

Actually she quoted 5 x Ps. 8.000 sessions plus creams and ointment for a total of Ps. 58.000......

[Pepe n Pilar]

Actually she quoted 5 x Ps. 8.000 sessions plus creams and ointment for a total of Ps. 58.000......

Did she send you her receipts? Maybe it depends who her dermatologist is.

[Tawi2]

Did she send you her receipts? Maybe it depends who her dermatologist is.
Hayden Kho :cwm24:

[pacificelectric]

From some of your other posts Pacific, I've been getting the impression it's you who is keen to marry quickly?

You haven't met yet...you need to spend time together, a good amount of time, before you make any plans.



I do not think I would rush into a marriage especially after a very bad experience a few years ago....

[britishdetained]

QUOTE=Tawi2;160430]Hayden Kho :cwm24:[/QUOTE]

:laugher::laugher::laugher: humm always being updated with the PI:icon_lol:

have you watched then the careless whisper dance move:D

[dontpushme]

Hayden Kho :cwm24:

:cwm24::icon_lol: I just got reminded of all the scandals involving him lately. Before Cory Aquino passed away, it seemed that all the major Philippine news sites had way too many Kho-Belo-*insert starlet here* articles.

[tiN]

In my view it is not at all unreasonable for a woman to want to bring her children to where she will be living or at least to provide assitance to them. I'd be concerned about any woman that did not have the welfare of any kids she had in mind.

You mentioned that you have anxieties and your lady has also asserted the same. Clearly, she feels concerned that you might not be prepared to consider her unless she povides whatever asurances you made led her to believe you require. For her part, she would like to meet with you first so that you judge her on the basis of who she is and whatever chemistry exists rather than a rather impersonal alignment with a checklist of criteria.

That is how it appears to me. I dont think there is any direct evidence suggesting that she is a goldigger at all.

I think i will agree to Kuya Toks :xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:



Hayden Kho :cwm24:

LOL :doh:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

[eagles]

hi pacific, i had been following for post.. I am here at davao.. That diamond peel was quite expensive huh. What's the name of the clinic where she got it, I can make a call easy and ask..

Please ...please.. don't rush into something you'll regret later.

[Florge]

Last week I sent her 60.000 pesos to have age spots removed from her cheek with diamond laser peel by a dermatologist, so perhaps she thinks I print banknotes in the cellar...... :icon_lol:

I bet this is more less what she has in mind but she also is not sure how deep I have swallowed the bait so far. She is very smart and even if she claims she loves me with passion I am sure she has something in mind for her children.

Php 60,000 for a diamond peel??? In Davao??? where did she have it done??? Diamond peels don't cost that much.. I should know.. I just had one... I don't know but I smell something not nice with this...

What's her name? I'll be going home to Davao next week.. you want me to check her out??

First mistake Pacific, you sent her money.. and I'm guessing you haven't met her yet? oh boy oh boy oh boy ... you are in for one hell (oops) of a surprise!

Trust your instincts (for men it's gut feel) boy... if it tells you to be extra cautious, then be extra cautious... if she hates for that, then she doesn't deserve your love... any woman who isn't for the MONEY would appreciate the fact that you are taking it easy with the relationship and not rushing into marriage.. just means that you are taking things seriously.

She's acting like she's 16... I can't wait to meet her!! I'm very serious in meeting her on my trip home.. Let me know.. I can ask people to "investigate" for me... hehehe... :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Florge]

hi pacific, i had been following for post.. I am here at davao.. That diamond peel was quite expensive huh. What's the name of the clinic where she got it, I can make a call easy and ask..

Please ...please.. don't rush into something you'll regret later.

Even if she had it done at Oroderm.. still wouldn't be that expensive... or maybe I'm wrong...

Pacific, I sincerely hope you're not digging your own grave here...

Eagles, ano beh.. where's my PM? Will be in Davao on the 7th and maybe until the 16th.

[pacificelectric]

Even if she had it done at Oroderm.. still wouldn't be that expensive... or maybe I'm wrong...

Pacific, I sincerely hope you're not digging your own grave here...

Eagles, ano beh.. where's my PM? Will be in Davao on the 7th and maybe until the 16th.

http://pds.org.ph/davao-medical-center/

The dermatologist is Karen Lee Alabado. Of course if you care to call there I ask you to be very careful as I would not want my gf to hear about that indirectly. It is my understanding that because my gf is just a government employee the derma was very curious how she would get the money and I believe she knows there's a western sucker behind.... :cwm12:

[Florge]

http://pds.org.ph/davao-medical-center/

The dermatologist is Karen Lee Alabado. Of course if you care to call there I ask you to be very careful as I would not want my gf to hear about that indirectly. It is my understanding that because my gf is just a government employee the derma was very curious how she would get the money and I believe she knows there's a western sucker behind.... :cwm12:

Got that... name sounds familiar...

Your gf is a government employee eh? which agency?

[pacificelectric]

Got that... name sounds familiar...

Your gf is a government employee eh? which agency?

DENR in Manang....

[Florge]

and.. DMC is a government hospital.. it shouldn't be THAT expensive.. ayayay!!!

[pacificelectric]

and.. DMC is a government hospital.. it shouldn't be THAT expensive.. ayayay!!!

As I said before, she told me there were 5 sessions, one per month, Ps. 8000 each = 40.000 plus a set of creams and stuff: 18.000 so 58.000 and I made it 60.000. She also got an injection in her legs for prurigo but it should not be that much.... anyway if you actually found out I have been fooled on that specific issue that would change my vision of her as a respectable widow...

[Florge]

DENR in Manang....

You mean Lanang?

[pacificelectric]

You mean Lanang?

Yes, sorry. Lanang, Km. 7....

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg125/tanuccio/diana111.jpg

[Florge]

This picture was taken after the diamond peel sessions? This isn't her office right as this shows Nabunturan...

[pacificelectric]

This picture was taken after the diamond peel sessions? This isn't her office right as this shows Nabunturan...

No this was taken long before I guess....



http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg125/tanuccio/diana45.jpg

This is the photo that convinced me to send her to a derma (she's the one with the white hat)

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg125/tanuccio/diana114.jpg

[Florge]

ohh.. okay... I got brown spots on my face as well.. covering half of my face actually but never bothered to have laser sessions as it will come back when the sessions are done...

I'll try to swing by DENR.. just don't know what reason I have to go there...

Oh.. right.. they give free seedlings of some sort right? I'll ask a few for our farm... hahaha

[pacificelectric]

ohh.. okay... I got brown spots on my face as well.. covering half of my face actually but never bothered to have laser sessions as it will come back when the sessions are done...

I'll try to swing by DENR.. just don't know what reason I have to go there...

Oh.. right.. they give free seedlings of some sort right? I'll ask a few for our farm... hahaha

The seedlings are for reforestation, I know she regularly goes to Mt. Diwata for that type of field work....

Oh really the brown spots come back? So I'll have to send another Ps. 60.000 some time soon?? :cwm24:

[Florge]

The seedlings are for reforestation, I know she regularly goes to Mt. Diwata for that type of field work....

Oh really the brown spots come back? So I'll have to send another Ps. 60.000 some time soon?? :cwm24:

Well, that's what my derma told me... she recommended 10 sessions of diamond laser peel.. but she can't assure me that it won't come back, specially if you are out in the sun often. I love going to the beach so I don't think it's practical for me spending so much on something that can't be permanent. She may have a different case but discolorations like that are in the blood and not just on the skin's surface.

Well, if you have another 60K, why not eh? but with her type of work going up Mt. Diwata regularly, I'm not so sure if this is the end of her diamond laser peel sessions.

[D&G]

PhP60,000 for a diamond peel? :NoNo::NoNo: That's like a boob job in PI? :Erm: lol
:NoNo::NoNo:. What more when you are together... :NoNo:

yes 60K is way too much for a diamond peel and a lot to give to someone u didn't meet yet in person :NoNo:

but im not saying the lady in question is a gold-digger...:Erm:

[Tawi2]

Those offices are in Lanang down near Damosa,are they the ones across the road from Allied Bank in JP Laurel avenue or are they the ones 200 metres further on?I know lots of people who work for the DENR :Erm:

[D&G]

As I said before, she told me there were 5 sessions, one per month, Ps. 8000 each = 40.000 plus a set of creams and stuff: 18.000 so 58.000 and I made it 60.000. ..


Whew! 8K per session??:omg: even Belo doesn't charge that much for a diamond peel :doh

60K is an awful lot of money to spend for "vanity" :No sorry

[Tawi2]

I just had someone go and chat with annie,Dr Karen Lee alabados secretary,Dr Lees Telephone number is 221-2259 at San Pedros Clinic,Dr lee is a consultant at the DMC,diamond peel from Dr Lee is 1500 a session including medicines,theres a "SKIN DOC" clinic at Gaisano mall where Dr Lee visits on mondays,become a member and you get freebies and promo rates,they are doing a promo at the moment pay for four sessions and get the fifth session free :xxgrinning--00xx3: I know someone who works 3 hundred yards away from that DENR,in fact I stayed on angliongto myself for a month or so earlier this year :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Tawi2]

Ask your lady friend Diana?does she know Mr Batoto in her office :)

[Mrs Daddy]

My husband was was married to his late wife more or less than 20 years but we never had problem wiht his past.I am the one who asked question about her but he never mention anything about his past and about financial matter I have never ask anything for my husband as I work and earn money.I know that she should tell anything to you about her family and not to wait tell you get married as it sound like your the bait.Why not apply for fiancee visa and see what happen then.I really wish for you both to settle this thing and may you be together inspite and despite of everything.:)

[D&G]

I just had someone go and chat with annie,Dr Karen Lee alabados secretary,Dr Lees Telephone number is 221-2259 at San Pedros Clinic,Dr lee is a consultant at the DMC,diamond peel from Dr Lee is 1500 a session :xxgrinning--00xx3:

we're lucky! we got a free private investigator here :icon_lol: yes, Tawi, the figure u gave is right.:xxgrinning--00xx3: I know diamond peel is about 1,500 per session. My Derma just offered me a package of 5 sessions for only 5K instead of 1500 per session..big discount,huh? but i'd rather spend my money on other things..or better save it for the rainy days.

[Tawi2]

I used to charge £60 an hour + expenses :D The figure is correct,thats from Annies brochure this morning,I think Diana maybe had more dermatological work than a simple diamond peel however,the marks on her face would have required something a little more skilled than a peel?:Erm:

[pacificelectric]

I used to charge £60 an hour + expenses :D The figure is correct,thats from Annies brochure this morning,I think Diana maybe had more dermatological work than a simple diamond peel however,the marks on her face would have required something a little more skilled than a peel?:Erm:

i understand she also had some skin growth (called milia in the medical jargon) cauterized but does that justify such huge amount?

Anyway she sent me a very, very long letter last night, the longest ever just to admit that indeed she was thinking of me to sponsor her children's studies.... well if i marry her and remove her from the Phils, I am the one making her lose her job, right???? :Cuckoo:

[Florge]

ahhh.. there... at least she was honest to tell you of what her expectations were of you... hehehe...

good luck!

[Florge]

ahhh.. there... at least she was honest to tell you of what her expectations were of you... hehehe...

good luck!

[miss.piggy]

Hi Pacific,

I was following the thread and just now that I get to reply -- I am not that learned on Derma issues..

Going back to your original question: I feel that your girlfriend is just finding it difficult to say to you that once you get married and you bring her to France, then you would obviously take the responsibilities of sending her children to school. This is an arrangement that two people should have prior to getting married, but a talk that preferably should take place over dinner and not via the internet. Family issues are serious issues for me, that I wouldn't also want to discuss via long emails. Perhaps, she is feeling awkward to discuss this when in fact you have not met personally, and she would no want to sound like she is just planning to mooch you.

She's 50. In the Philippines, a woman of that age will feel that her market is not exactly as big as that of women on their 20's. For some, it's also a novelty having a foreign boyfriend or husband so she may be feeling that she's done really well considering her age. And this is possibly why there's a panic attack when you mentioned of your wedding delays -- she could be getting paranoid that she's done something wrong which puts you off, but not exactly because she wanted to rush and all that. :)

[pacificelectric]

She's 50. In the Philippines, a woman of that age will feel that her market is not exactly as big as that of women on their 20's. For some, it's also a novelty having a foreign boyfriend or husband so she may be feeling that she's done really well considering her age. And this is possibly why there's a panic attack when you mentioned of your wedding delays -- she could be getting paranoid that she's done something wrong which puts you off, but not exactly because she wanted to rush and all that. :)

that's pretty true and she told me so, but at the same time it is not like she needs to rush things like for instance she wants children desperately with me and her obsessiveness about marriage ASAP is really putting me off -- not to mention the weird thing about her true dermatological expenses.

[miss.piggy]

that's pretty true and she told me so, but at the same time it is not like she needs to rush things like for instance she wants children desperately with me and her obsessiveness about marriage ASAP is really putting me off -- not to mention the weird thing about her true dermatological expenses.

I honestly can't comment on the derma expenses as I've never had any derma treatments (hmm..that explains why :D:omg:).

I can only say that you are sharing this relationship with her. Thus, if you do not want to proceed into something like desperately having a child nor getting married, then you should be free to say so and discuss it with her. And have you told her that rushing into things like these put you off??? At the end of the day, this story is all about you and your girlfriend. You just have to make yourself clear, I believe. I personally would appreciate a man who has got a voice from the start than someone who would only make himself known after the wedding.

[Tawi2]

Is it Diana?if I was actually there I could get the exact payment she made to Dr Lee quite easily,I will certainly find out the cost of the cautserisations for you on Thrusday if you like,cant do it tommorrow,pinas closes down for the day for the funeral.

[pacificelectric]

She wrote me and maintained Dr Lee had a "cheap" treatment at 6 sessions x 2,500 and the "expensive" one at 5 sessions x 8.000 plus the set of creams and tablets at 18.500. But this should also include treatment for prurigo. Anyway I sent her the money and do not expect it back of course and if she can get rid of her spots and skin problems I am happy about it but I still do not like being fooled.

[pacificelectric]

I honestly can't comment on the derma expenses as I've never had any derma treatments (hmm..that explains why :D:omg:).

I can only say that you are sharing this relationship with her. Thus, if you do not want to proceed into something like desperately having a child nor getting married, then you should be free to say so and discuss it with her. And have you told her that rushing into things like these put you off??? At the end of the day, this story is all about you and your girlfriend. You just have to make yourself clear, I believe. I personally would appreciate a man who has got a voice from the start than someone who would only make himself known after the wedding.

I guess you misunderstood me here. My point is that she does not need to rush into a marriage for the sake of having children like younger Pinays insofar as she already have children of her own and cannot have any more as she had tubal ligation after her third delivery. So why rush things so desperately while we can just take the time to know each other? We have been writing each other for 10 months and spoke over the phone a lot but does that mean we know each other well? In her long letter she stated that after this type of communication we already know each other between 60 and 80%. Personally, without any real face to face encounter, I would say 10% and still consider myself optimistic.

[Tawi2]

A single treatment as of this morning was 1500 pesos :Erm: No mention whatsoever of a deluxe version :Erm:

[pacificelectric]

A single treatment as of this morning was 1500 pesos :Erm: No mention whatsoever of a deluxe version :Erm:

Things may have changed since this morning..... :D:icon_lol:

[Tawi2]

It was this morning here in UK,this afternoon in Dabaw :icon_lol: Just before Dr Lee's closed :xxgrinning--00xx3:If prices fluctuate that quickly it might be 4500 per session this time next week.

[trader dave]

TAWI AND FLORGE

PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS GIVE US A CALL WE ARE ON THE BALL


:laugher::laugher::laugher::laugher::laugher::laugher::laugher:

[Tawi2]

TAWI AND FLORGE

PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS GIVE US A CALL WE ARE ON THE BALL


:laugher::laugher::laugher::laugher::laugher::laugher::laugher:
I have a few pieces of kit in my little box of tricks,stick one under her desk,link one up to her telephone,sit around the corner in Bajada McDonalds amd listen :icon_lol: Florge can be the Honey-trap bait for errant husbands :icon_lol:

[miss.piggy]

Apologies, I missed a few words when I read the post the first time ( thought she was rushing to have kids, as I can understand the clock is ticking, but anyways..).

I think there is really no particular amount of time two persons should be writing to each other and calling one another on the phone to say they know each other full well. It will all depend on both of you - like how you really feel, etc. If you think it will be a massive gamble to go ahead with your planned wedding, then ofcourse I will suggest that you open that up and just go on with what you think is best. You can't be marrying your gf just because she wanted it or she said so. It takes two to tango. Ideally, you should be both comfortable when you finally decided to move forward and marry. And, there's nothing she can really do if you tell her that you would want to know her even better before you rush into tying the knot. :)

[trader dave]

I guess you misunderstood me here. My point is that she does not need to rush into a marriage for the sake of having children like younger Pinays insofar as she already have children of her own and cannot have any more as she had tubal ligation after her third delivery. So why rush things so desperately while we can just take the time to know each other? We have been writing each other for 10 months and spoke over the phone a lot but does that mean we know each other well? In her long letter she stated that after this type of communication we already know each other between 60 and 80%. Personally, without any real face to face encounter, I would say 10% and still consider myself optimistic.


We can all on here give you advice we can investigate :icon_lol:if you have been over charged :icon_lol:

i could say a lot more of why you did this and why you did that --- i am not going to :Erm:

at the end of the day YOU AND your lady have to sort it not usssssssss

[trader dave]

I have a few pieces of kit in my little box of tricks,stick one under her desk,link one up to her telephone,sit around the corner in Bajada McDonalds amd listen :icon_lol: Florge can be the Honey-trap bait for errant husbands :icon_lol:


florge honeytrap :xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3: thats sounds interesting:icon_lol::Hellooo::Hellooo:

[Tawi2]

Florge has the cleavage and nice looks,I look like a sack of crap dragged through a hedge backwards,I could probably do honeytraps for short-sighted homosexuals though :Erm: Pacific,best piece of advice?Go with your instincts,you know her,we dont,your the one in the driving seat :)

[Tonet]

We have been writing each other for 10 months and spoke over the phone a lot but does that mean we know each other well? In her long letter she stated that after this type of communication we already know each other between 60 and 80%. Personally, without any real face to face encounter, I would say 10% and still consider myself optimistic.

When you meet in person its like meeting all over again. When i meet my husband, then my boyfriend first time in person it was really strange. We chatted for more than 1 yr, before we met. I know many things about him but the guy in front of me was like stranger, so i cant imagine myself marrying him on his first visit.

[pacificelectric]

I got rather confused explanations regarding price discrepancies but she promised to send a scan and I believe her..... she is also OK about not hurrying into a marriage. Aahh, women!! :D

[pacificelectric]

I got the scan with the letterhead of Dr. karen Alabado and in fact it is a series of sessions of "photorejuvenation", Ps. 9.000 per session plus medicine and my gf got a discount on that... sounds pretty expensive of course but apparently it is more sophisticated than mere diamond peeling. Anyway now that I have the scan I just need to shut my big mouth and expect to find her pretty and young in September.... :Rasp:

[Mrs Daddy]

sorted then:Dgoodluck!:)

[IainBusby]

A single treatment as of this morning was 1500 pesos :Erm: No mention whatsoever of a deluxe version :Erm:

Sounds like Standard Price or (Deluxe Version) Kano Price.

[aromulus]

I got the scan with the letterhead of Dr. karen Alabado and in fact it is a series of sessions of "photorejuvenation", Ps. 9.000 per session plus medicine and my gf got a discount on that... :Rasp:

I could knock one of those in 5/10 minutes (and I am not as a computer literate as I pass myself to be), scan it and send it on..... :doh

[pacificelectric]

I could knock one of those in 5/10 minutes (and I am not as a computer literate as I pass myself to be), scan it and send it on..... :doh


A man in love is always ready to believe.... :D

[Sophie]

Actually she quoted 5 x Ps. 8.000 sessions plus creams and ointment for a total of Ps. 58.000......

Personally, 58,000 is a bit too much quotation....
Diamond peel is nowhere near to that cost, even with facials and wart removal treatment
and including ointments, solutions and all the other maintenance products that go along with it......
I can tell, because i've been having one before, in my single days, before i even met my husband now....
And i'm having it done in a well known dermatology clinic in manila as i'm based there,
and it's a fact that the prices in manila (the city) is way way higher than the provinces, so 58k is quite high for that facial treatment......

But i'm not saying she is trying to fool you, maybe she spent the rest of the money for other important stuff as well as for her family.....
Give her the benefit of the doubt.....anyway, you're due to meet her soon,
so i guess that's the perfect time to clear things out and plan for the days ahead....
Make sure though, that you do that before you marry her, lol....
Everything has to be discussed in the open and agreed upon before you say "I do".....:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Sophie]

Whew! 8K per session??:omg: even Belo doesn't charge that much for a diamond peel :doh

60K is an awful lot of money to spend for "vanity" :No sorry

LOL, very true :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Sophie]

I got the scan with the letterhead of Dr. karen Alabado and in fact it is a series of sessions of "photorejuvenation", Ps. 9.000 per session plus medicine and my gf got a discount on that... sounds pretty expensive of course but apparently it is more sophisticated than mere diamond peeling. Anyway now that I have the scan I just need to shut my big mouth and expect to find her pretty and young in September.... :Rasp:

Well, if she got scanned receipts from the doctor to back up the costs, then it's settled then :xxgrinning--00xx3:
Just have fun on your visit there next month and enjoy your time with your pretty and now flawless-faced gf :xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[pacificelectric]

But i'm not saying she is trying to fool you, maybe she spent the rest of the money for other important stuff

She just told me over the phone she also bought black lingerie :yikes::omg:

So what? I don't have a pacemaker..... :cwm12:

[somebody]

When you meet in person its like meeting all over again. When i meet my husband, then my boyfriend first time in person it was really strange. We chatted for more than 1 yr, before we met. I know many things about him but the guy in front of me was like stranger, so i cant imagine myself marrying him on his first visit.

A great post. The first day/holiday is very strange as this total stranger who you know very intimately is with you and yet you don't know them.
Some things see very familiar and as expected other facets of the person for some reason seem new and unfamiliar.

Do go with an open mind you don't really know one another yet this meeting is so important and crucial as you can imagine it will decide and define the whole relationship.
Try and keep your eyes open and do make sure you do get some private time to talk (very very hard in Phill) in depth with eye contact.

My Wife spent a fortune well by hers and her familys standards on beauty treatment before i first went and each time thereafter but then from what she tells me about the huge sums women spend in UK stores on beauty treatment,clothes and what have you for far more mundane reasons than meeting your potential husband for the first time.

May i wish you both a pleasant time together:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Sophie]

She just told me over the phone she also bought black lingerie :yikes::omg:

So what? I don't have a pacemaker..... :cwm12:

See? it's give and take, lol, in some way, you get something back from your money, lol :D:D
i'm sure you don't mind spending for her to be beautiful and sexy for you, not to mention her flaunting a sexy black lingerie for you :D:D:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:
careful though that she doesn't get so used to it - you spending so much for her beauty stuff.....
it may become a habit later on, lol, and it would cost you, lol

[trader dave]

I got the scan with the letterhead of Dr. karen Alabado and in fact it is a series of sessions of "photorejuvenation", Ps. 9.000 per session plus medicine and my gf got a discount on that... sounds pretty expensive of course but apparently it is more sophisticated than mere diamond peeling. Anyway now that I have the scan I just need to shut my big mouth and expect to find her pretty and young in September.... :Rasp:


and if not there are plenty of young ones available REMEMBER THATTTTTTTT:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::Hellooo::Hellooo:



And believe me[ i am your age] there is nothing wrong with a young pilipina :Cuckoo:

[Tawi2]

and if not there are plenty of young ones available REMEMBER THATTTTTTTT:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::Hellooo::Hellooo:



And believe me[ i am your age] there is nothing wrong with a young pilipina :Cuckoo:

Old is gold :Rasp:

[Florge]

ohhh.. photorejuvination!!! geez.. not diamond peel! it's your fault pacific... giving us false info... LOL

anyway, good luck to you and have fun with the black lingerie... hehehehe...

at least I don't have to hunt her down in DENR office when I'm in Davao... lol

[Pepe n Pilar]

Old is gold :Rasp:

Yes old is gold.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Woman is like the country:xxgrinning--00xx3:.
At age 20, she is like Austria, young ang interesting
At age 30, she is like India, warm and mysterious
At age 40, she is like USA, technically perfect
At age 50, she is like Europe, all in ruins
At age 60, she is like Siberia, everyone knows where it is
but no one wants to go there..:doh

This is just a joke.... no offence pls...:)
I read this in the book of jokes..:D

[Tawi2]

Can I have India and USA please?:icon_lol:Are you austria P&P?:icon_lol:

[Pepe n Pilar]

She just told me over the phone she also bought black lingerie :yikes::omg:

So what? I don't have a pacemaker..... :cwm12:

Goodluck Pacific....:) Enjoy your stay in the Phils and wish the best for you both!..:xxgrinning--00xx3::D

Cheers!:)

[Pepe n Pilar]

Can I have India and USA please?:icon_lol:Are you austria P&P?:icon_lol:

Hahaha ::D:D:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:I have the 20's to 40's
qualities Tawi2!!!:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[D&G]

Yes old is gold.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Woman is like the country:xxgrinning--00xx3:.
At age 20, she is like Austria, young ang interesting
At age 30, she is like India, warm and mysterious
At age 40, she is like USA, technically perfect
At age 50, she is like Europe, all in ruins
At age 60, she is like Siberia, everyone knows where it is
but no one wants to go there..:doh

This is just a joke.... no offence pls...:)
I read this in the book of jokes..:D


LOL! :icon_lol: i'm still ok then :xxgrinning--00xx3::icon_lol:

[trader dave]

Yes old is gold.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Woman is like the country:xxgrinning--00xx3:.
At age 20, she is like Austria, young ang interesting
At age 30, she is like India, warm and mysterious
At age 40, she is like USA, technically perfect
At age 50, she is like Europe, all in ruins
At age 60, she is like Siberia, everyone knows where it is
but no one wants to go there..:doh

This is just a joke.... no offence pls...:)
I read this in the book of jokes..:D


thats great i have never heard that before :laugher::laugher:


but my first point was:xxgrinning--00xx3: if i WENT into a car showroom and i see an older car:cwm24: i will not pay the dealer to have it repaired before i buy it :Hellooo: ESPECIALY IF HE IS A PILIPINO CAR DEALER:cwm34:


and if i want a newer low milage one with a perfect body

I WILL BUY ONE LIKE THAT:icon_lol::laugher::laugher::laugher::appl:

[pacificelectric]

i'm sure you don't mind spending for her to be beautiful and sexy for you, not to mention her flaunting a sexy black lingerie for you

Well in fact I would rather encourage her.... :D actually she is 50 but looks younger.... on that photo she is with the white hat on the left.


http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg125/tanuccio/diana182.jpg

[Florge]

well, most Asian women look younger than their age... lucky you!

[britishdetained]

well, most Asian women look younger than their age... lucky you!

I agree:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Sophie]

Well in fact I would rather encourage her.... :D actually she is 50 but looks younger.... on that photo she is with the white hat on the left.


http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg125/tanuccio/diana182.jpg

Indeed she is really pretty and look really young for her age :xxgrinning--00xx3:
and that only shows that she is taking care of herself well, which is is good.....i'm sure you are so excited to see her already :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Matt7]

She just told me over the phone she also bought black lingerie :yikes::omg:

So what? I don't have a pacemaker..... :cwm12:

Sorry, trying to get my head around the situation, she gave you a receipt for the exact amount of money you sent her, but she also bought lingerie with some of the money that was meant to be exclusively for the procedure? :Erm: Excuse me if I'm being a little slow with that one?

I've just noticed in another thread you gave this lady another 40,000PHP ontop of the 60,000? So thats £1200 to someone you've never met? Wow, I hate to say this mate but rather you than me. If you can afford all that then fair play to you, but in my humble opinion there's something very fishy going, and it makes me quite sad, whether she loves you or not that's a LOT of money

[D&G]

Sorry, trying to get my head around the situation, she gave you a receipt for the exact amount of money you sent her, but she also bought lingerie with some of the money that was meant to be exclusively for the procedure? :Erm: Excuse me if I'm being a little slow with that one?

my thoughts exactly :xxgrinning--00xx3: i might be a bit cynical but for me it's quite strange :Erm:



I've just noticed in another thread you gave this lady another 40,000PHP ontop of the 60,000? So thats £1200 to someone you've never met? Wow, I hate to say this mate but rather you than me. If you can afford all that then fair play to you, but in my humble opinion there's something very fishy going, and it makes me quite sad, whether she loves you or not that's a LOT of money

yesh it is quite sad and i hope the lady is genuine and truly inlove...it's entirely up to Pacific and i guess he's a better judge of her character than any of us here..sometimes we stop being rational when we're inlove...some people have that nature to give everything they got when they are in love.. hmnn, LOVE :Erm::Erm:

Pacific, i wish u all the best! :Erm: i hope u're feeling more confident now :)
(no more doubts...whether u're being fooled or not :Erm: )
Goodluck and enjoy ur trip!

[pacificelectric]

We have discussed a lot lately and I trust her 100%... of course I still need to meet her in person in September but I am confident we will straighten things out adequately..... :)

[New Shoes]

I've been following this thread and my concerns like a few other posters have stated. Personally, from my perspective, I see red flags and hear alarms. I hope everything works out fine for you.

[Tawi2]

Well in fact I would rather encourage her.... :D actually she is 50 but looks younger.... on that photo she is with the white hat on the left.


http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg125/tanuccio/diana182.jpg

As the sign says "Ladies,wealth of the nation" :Erm::icon_lol:

[jackmac452]

Wow...anyone know the second woman from the left? (please don't tell the wife)....all the others look good as well...hehehe

[pacificelectric]

I've been following this thread and my concerns like a few other posters have stated. Personally, from my perspective, I see red flags and hear alarms. I hope everything works out fine for you.

I am the one to be blamed, definitely, especially for the derma thing. I am the one who noticed she had spots on her cheeks and she never mentioned them to me and she even added she always tried not to let them too visible on webcam. She showed them to a physician last year on her annual check-up and she was told it would cost more than she could afford anyway.

I forwarded the photo to my ex-girlfriend who is a dermatologist and she said it should be advisable to have them seen by a specialist. And when I urged her to see a derma of course I made it clear I would cover her expenses and she was honest enough to make it clear that there were several packages and I opted for the best.

I know it looks like I have showed her too easily I have money but I have spent 15 years of my life with a doctor and dermatologist and she told me very scary stories over apparently innocuous spots on the face which turn into skin cancer in a few weeks. So my concern was more her health than vanity or appearance and I am glad the derma assessed her spots as harmless and I do not regret the PHP 60.000 at all. (by the way she knows about my ex-girlfriend being a derma too)

[Sophie]

We have discussed a lot lately and I trust her 100%... of course I still need to meet her in person in September but I am confident we will straighten things out adequately..... :)

That's really nice of you......you are a very trusting person and you deserve a trustworthy woman.....:xxgrinning--00xx3:
i wish you all the best on your visit to the philippines and to your lovely lady......have fun :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

I do not regret the PHP 60.000 at all. (by the way she knows about my ex-girlfriend being a derma too)

its your money and why should you regret sending it :xxgrinning--00xx3:

anyway i sent my now misses, alot more than that b4 i even met her (don't ask caz i'm not telling you :icon_lol:, but enough to get her thru med school, rent etc., so your not the only one, and hey we got married, and it will be err 6yrs in nov, or is it 7 :doh

and i wish you the same luck i had :doh

:icon_lol:

[trader dave]

mrs t recons i have spend in the region on 20k sterling on our relationship over the 2 years thats holidays everything and she is still not in the uk:Brick::Brick::Brick:

but at least we are getting nearer :Rasp:


so anyone that thinks having a pilipina gf then getting married is cheap


YOU HAVE A NASTY SURPRISE:NoNo:

[Tawi2]

Its only money Dave,means nowt at the end of the day,and you cant take it with you :icon_lol: But think how many foreign angling trips you could have had with that 20K :cwm24: Halibut and sturgeon fishing in alaksa,Carp on the Ebro,Blue Marlin in.....................:doh:cwm24::icon_lol:

[trader dave]

Its only money Dave,means nowt at the end of the day,and you cant take it with you :icon_lol: But think how many foreign angling trips you could have had with that 20K :cwm24: Halibut and sturgeon fishing in alaksa,Carp on the Ebro,Blue Marlin in.....................:doh:cwm24::icon_lol:


:omg::omg::omg::doh:doh:doh:doh tell me about it :Brick::Brick:




but she will accompany me in the future so she tells me:xxgrinning--00xx3::cwm34: especialy when i said i must go to these lakes in thailand http://www.fishinginthailand.com/ :cwm24::cwm24:

so i will have my own maid :doh thats life:Hellooo:

[Tawi2]

Dave(hope this isnt construed as a thread hijack)if you want to know anything about those lakes ask,I have been to them loads of times Bungsam lan is the best,my biggest cat was 74 Lbs,I was getting at least a 20 Lb'er every single cast,Dont go with guides like Jean Francoise Helias though,just grab a taxi and do it yourself,all the old Thai guys around the lake will help you,british guy called Joe Taylor caught a 400+lb arapima in there :cwm24: Sorry Pacific a thousand apologies.

[Ladybug_sim]

I am the one to be blamed, definitely, especially for the derma thing. I am the one who noticed she had spots on her cheeks and she never mentioned them to me and she even added she always tried not to let them too visible on webcam. She showed them to a physician last year on her annual check-up and she was told it would cost more than she could afford anyway.

I forwarded the photo to my ex-girlfriend who is a dermatologist and she said it should be advisable to have them seen by a specialist. And when I urged her to see a derma of course I made it clear I would cover her expenses and she was honest enough to make it clear that there were several packages and I opted for the best.

I know it looks like I have showed her too easily I have money but I have spent 15 years of my life with a doctor and dermatologist and she told me very scary stories over apparently innocuous spots on the face which turn into skin cancer in a few weeks. So my concern was more her health than vanity or appearance and I am glad the derma assessed her spots as harmless and I do not regret the PHP 60.000 at all. (by the way she knows about my ex-girlfriend being a derma too)


Hi! I’m just following your thread here .. I heard you before on my bug thread too and I am wondering for now as I really think that you met your gf before so your ok with her but well, they give a very nice advice here and as what I can add some of their opinion, it is really good you do care for her even you didn’t met each other but I think it is not a big issue for fixing her face or skin derma coz for now we need to be practical especially in life as you love her who she is whatever color or look she has I think so she can give it in return for you without worrying for her face or beauty as she is pretty woman and if you are a practical man even you have lots of money you make sure that you use it good for her just don’t spoil her for that coz we are all getting old and don’t know what happen next for the relationship you have… you can do a derma after meeting each other coz in person it is really different something that feel strange each other and then you will find out what other things you don’t like . If you feel things be ok with her after meeting then go on whatever you can do to her the important is you meet her in person then you do your own decision... hope it can add i know you going there soon too so you find it out all ..me and my bug wish you luck and be happy in life :Hellooo::Hellooo::Hellooo::Hellooo:

[lovelylady]

mrs t recons i have spend in the region on 20k sterling on our relationship over the 2 years thats holidays everything and she is still not in the uk:Brick::Brick::Brick:

but at least we are getting nearer :Rasp:


so anyone that thinks having a pilipina gf then getting married is cheap


YOU HAVE A NASTY SURPRISE:NoNo:
:NoNo::NoNo:dave u cant say with that only because money cant bring u happeness in life.it doesnt matter if u cost 20k over the 2 years of relationship with u and mrs t as long she is quite good and nice wife:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:just wait for the right time she will be there with u always to look after u:BouncyHappy::BouncyHappy:

[Tawi2]

Got to agree with you LL,in the grand scheme of things 20K really is nowt,I am sure Dave didnt mean it the way it sounded,and I am sure when Pacific steps out of the doors of Davao's airport and walks across the road to the waiting crowd looking for that smiling face he will think his money was well spent making someone happy who makes him happy,swings and roundabouts :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[lovelylady]

Got to agree with you LL,in the grand scheme of things 20K really is nowt,I am sure Dave didnt mean it the way it sounded,and I am sure when Pacific steps out of the doors of Davao's airport and walks across the road to the waiting crowd looking for that smiling face he will think his money was well spent making someone happy who makes him happy,swings and roundabouts :xxgrinning--00xx3:
yes ur right tawi:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3: its doesnt really matter how much u spend of the person as long she will give u in return the happiness u want and ur always be happy.:BouncyHappy::BouncyHappy:dave always count how much he spend to mrs t:doh:doh:dohmaybe its not enough he receive in return thats way he moan:omg::omg::icon_lol:

[trader dave]

yes ur right tawi:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3: its doesnt really matter how much u spend of the person as long she will give u in return the happiness u want and ur always be happy.:BouncyHappy::BouncyHappy:dave always count how much he spend to mrs t:doh:doh:dohmaybe its not enough he receive in return thats way he moan:omg::omg::icon_lol:


noooooo as tawi explained i was not moaning i was stating a fact money does not mean a lot to me and what i get in return i I COULD NEVER PUT A PRICE ON IT :Cuckoo::Cuckoo::ARsurrender::ARsurrender:


AND IT WAS MRS T THAT TOTAL IT UP NOT MEEEEEEE

[trader dave]

dave(hope this isnt construed as a thread hijack)if you want to know anything about those lakes ask,i have been to them loads of times bungsam lan is the best,my biggest cat was 74 lbs,i was getting at least a 20 lb'er every single cast,dont go with guides like jean francoise helias though,just grab a taxi and do it yourself,all the old thai guys around the lake will help you,british guy called joe taylor caught a 400+lb arapima in there :cwm24: Sorry pacific a thousand apologies.

yes thanks tawi YES SORRY PACIFIC:doh

[joebloggs]

mrs t recons i have spend in the region on 20k sterling on our relationship over the 2 years thats holidays everything and she is still not in the uk:Brick::Brick::Brick:

but at least we are getting nearer :Rasp:


so anyone that thinks having a pilipina gf then getting married is cheap


YOU HAVE A NASTY SURPRISE:NoNo:

i would hate to think what I've spent going seeing the misses (air flights, hotels,presents, uni fees, rent, wedding, visa's, etc) over the last 8yrs + :cwm24::bigcry:

just on visa's its cost me £4,000 :censored: :ARsurrender: