Nvq

[eleazebonares]

Guys my student visa was refused,its about because i am an undergrad which makes them question if i wil be able to finish my course in UK. If there are any advice you could give,pls. Thanks.

[darren-b]

Guys my student visa was refused,its about because i am an undergrad which makes them question if i wil be able to finish my course in UK. If there are any advice you could give,pls. Thanks.

What was the wording of the refusal? Because a undergraduate should easily be able to complete the lower levels NVQs.

[filipina_owl]

Dont lose hope. Just be patient and trust God. You will be fine. :)

[eleazebonares]

What was the wording of the refusal? Because a undergraduate should easily be able to complete the lower levels NVQs.

im going to post it later this evening.

[eleazebonares]

I consider your abandonment of your degree demonstrates a lack of commitment to your educ'n in general,esp since u have already completed 3.5 yrs of it.furthermore,accdg. the british council's qualif'ns framework for england,wales and northern ireland,this bachelor's degrees would have been equivalent to a level 4 NVQ upon completion.the Nvq 3 course you propose to follow is 1 level below this and the nvq4 is equivalent to the degree u have abandoned,your abandoned degree is also an inter'ly recognised qualification w/c can be used throughout the world.

you have not satisfactorily explained why u wish to take a 2 year NVQ 3 and 4 in the UK at your sponsors expense or how the above course will be of benefit to u or enhance your future prospects. Yet, u propose to spend a considerable amount of your sponsors savings to travel to the UK in order to gain a qualif'n which is lower/equivalent to the degree u were undrtaking here in the phils.i consider it only reasonable to expect a student who proposes to study abroad to have a good understanding of how their course will benefit them and how it wil enhance their future prospects.you have not been able to provide a satisfactory explanation of this.

taking your previous academic studies,as detailed above,leads me to doubt,on the balance of probabilities,that you intend to study in the UK or intend to leave the UK at the end of your studies and that you do not intend to take employment,save for part-time or vacation work.

i therefore refuse your applic'n

[darren-b]

The refusal tells you what you need to do if you want to appeal or apply again. That is to explain fully why you gave up on a course in the Philippines which you almost completed to spend more time and money to gain a similar level of qualification in the UK. And to also explain how you see the UK qualification enhancing your career prospects (possibly in comparision to the course you gave up on).

I am not surprised that the ECOs are being harder on NVQ applicants, as it seems to me that for too many years they have been abused and actually used as a way of working in the UK.

[eleazebonares]

The refusal tells you what you need to do if you want to appeal or apply again. That is to explain fully why you gave up on a course in the Philippines which you almost completed to spend more time and money to gain a similar level of qualification in the UK. And to also explain how you see the UK qualification enhancing your career prospects (possibly in comparision to the course you gave up on).

I am not surprised that the ECOs are being harder on NVQ applicants, as it seems to me that for too many years they have been abused and actually used as a way of working in the UK.

if i submitted my docs again,reapply,would the same person decide on my docs?

[eleazebonares]

The refusal tells you what you need to do if you want to appeal or apply again. That is to explain fully why you gave up on a course in the Philippines which you almost completed to spend more time and money to gain a similar level of qualification in the UK. And to also explain how you see the UK qualification enhancing your career prospects (possibly in comparision to the course you gave up on).

I am not surprised that the ECOs are being harder on NVQ applicants, as it seems to me that for too many years they have been abused and actually used as a way of working in the UK.

thing is,im really going to study-because i wanna work in UK. I hope u get me.but with the new guidelines,i dont think i could really work while studying.

[darren-b]

It may or may not be the same ECO, but even if it is a different one they will be aware of you previous refusal and should follow the same guidelines.

If you mean that you want to work in the UK after you have finished studying than that may be difficult anyway if you are only going to study for NVQs. If you mean you want to start working now then that really is a problem, the only reason for a applying for a student visa should be that you want to study. If the ECO thinks you are only applying for a student visa so you can work you are likely to get refused.

[vbkelly]

thing is,im really going to study-because i wanna work in UK. I hope u get me.but with the new guidelines,i dont think i could really work while studying.

you can't work full time if you are student, student allow to work maximum of 20 per week

[eleazebonares]

@darren-b:uhm..about the guidelines,yes im aware they'll know about it.im just concerned because if a diff eco will have to assess the docs,there might be a diff flaw observed when the first is resolved.(hope not).but im aware of the hours of work,i will study really-coz i want to land a good job in UK-do u think that would be possible? My family got my expenses covered-school fees,allowances 'til i could support myself(hopefully). Im just really really glad we didnt have to loan the money we used in my applic'n.the news of my refusal could have been devastating.

*darren-b,what are you in the forum for?

[darren-b]

@darren-b:uhm..about the guidelines,yes im aware they'll know about it.im just concerned because if a diff eco will have to assess the docs,there might be a diff flaw observed when the first is resolved.(hope not).but im aware of the hours of work,i will study really-coz i want to land a good job in UK-do u think that would be possible? My family got my expenses covered-school fees,allowances 'til i could support myself(hopefully). Im just really really glad we didnt have to loan the money we used in my applic'n.the news of my refusal could have been devastating.

*darren-b,what are you in the forum for?

Your problem is that even if the same ECO assessed the docs he could find a different flaw as he might look into something in more detail. All you can do is make sure your application is as perfect as you can make it.

I think you've only really got one option for switching into a work visa after you've completed your course and that is to a Sponsored skilled workers visa (Tier 2). This will tie you to one employer, and I believe once the new rules get implemented you will only be able to remain in the UK for a limited number of years on this visa. Your problem is to get this type of visa certain requirements need to be met including the employer offering you a job being licensed to do.

I'm in this forum as I have a general interest in the Philippines and the immigration system. I'm British and my wife is Fil/Brit so we don't worry about visas ourselves anymore, though as you can probably guess my wife has got family who would.

[eleazebonares]

Your problem is that even if the same ECO assessed the docs he could find a different flaw as he might look into something in more detail. All you can do is make sure your application is as perfect as you can make it.

I think you've only really got one option for switching into a work visa after you've completed your course and that is to a Sponsored skilled workers visa (Tier 2). This will tie you to one employer, and I believe once the new rules get implemented you will only be able to remain in the UK for a limited number of years on this visa. Your problem is to get this type of visa certain requirements need to be met including the employer offering you a job being licensed to do.

I'm in this forum as I have a general interest in the Philippines and the immigration system. I'm British and my wife is Fil/Brit so we don't worry about visas ourselves anymore, though as you can probably guess my wife has got family who would.

Aww ok.thanks a bunch for the enlightment..

[jaishann]

I consider your abandonment of your degree demonstrates a lack of commitment to your educ'n in general,esp since u have already completed 3.5 yrs of it.furthermore,accdg. the british council's qualif'ns framework for england,wales and northern ireland,this bachelor's degrees would have been equivalent to a level 4 NVQ upon completion.the Nvq 3 course you propose to follow is 1 level below this and the nvq4 is equivalent to the degree u have abandoned,your abandoned degree is also an inter'ly recognised qualification w/c can be used throughout the world.

you have not satisfactorily explained why u wish to take a 2 year NVQ 3 and 4 in the UK at your sponsors expense or how the above course will be of benefit to u or enhance your future prospects. Yet, u propose to spend a considerable amount of your sponsors savings to travel to the UK in order to gain a qualif'n which is lower/equivalent to the degree u were undrtaking here in the phils.i consider it only reasonable to expect a student who proposes to study abroad to have a good understanding of how their course will benefit them and how it wil enhance their future prospects.you have not been able to provide a satisfactory explanation of this.

taking your previous academic studies,as detailed above,leads me to doubt,on the balance of probabilities,that you intend to study in the UK or intend to leave the UK at the end of your studies and that you do not intend to take employment,save for part-time or vacation work.

i therefore refuse your applic'n

Let me share my story to you hope it will give you an idea.

I graduated Bachelor of Science in Commerce - Major in Accounting it was assessed here in the UK by NARIC (National Recognition Information Centre for the United Kingdom) their assessment : It is comparable to Certificate of Higher education (CertHE), falls between N/SVQ levels 3 and 4. I'm glad it is recognised.

Thing is when I started looking for job in accounts most of the companies requires AAT for jobs like Payables/Receivables/Accounts Assistant etc and also requiring software (i.e. Sage Line 50, SAP, TAS etc).

The question is that why go down to level 2 when you nearly finished 4? (which the ECO said you have abandoned) WHY NOT? the fundamental is the same but there is a bit of a difference and the College will never stop you taking Level 2 even if you have done it before.

I am currently doing Level 2 NVQ in Accounting the fact that I have a degree in Accounts from the Philippines. If you are allowed to appeal try to explain your circumstances why you opted not to finish your studies that time give them reason which you think is acceptable and the fact that you wanted to do it again here in the UK means to say that you've seen the benefit of having a qualification. Although ECO won't see it that way (He probably will think why UK and not Phils?), they will always presume you want to enter UK to work using student visa.

When I enrolled I was given the choice which level I want to start , the choices were 2 3 and 4. I chose 2 means to say they will never say no you cant do 2 coz you already done 3 or 4. You can always go one level down if you wish to and it will benefit you because it will give you a fresh start and familiarity (UK style).


Hope everything will be ok for you. Best Regards.

[eleazebonares]

Let me share my story to you hope it will give you an idea.

I graduated Bachelor of Science in Commerce - Major in Accounting it was assessed here in the UK by NARIC (National Recognition Information Centre for the United Kingdom) their assessment : It is comparable to Certificate of Higher education (CertHE), falls between N/SVQ levels 3 and 4. I'm glad it is recognised.

Thing is when I started looking for job in accounts most of the companies requires AAT for jobs like Payables/Receivables/Accounts Assistant etc and also requiring software (i.e. Sage Line 50, SAP, TAS etc).

The question is that why go down to level 2 when you nearly finished 4? (which the ECO said you have abandoned) WHY NOT? the fundamental is the same but there is a bit of a difference and the College will never stop you taking Level 2 even if you have done it before.

I am currently doing Level 2 NVQ in Accounting the fact that I have a degree in Accounts from the Philippines. If you are allowed to appeal try to explain your circumstances why you opted not to finish your studies that time give them reason which you think is acceptable and the fact that you wanted to do it again here in the UK means to say that you've seen the benefit of having a qualification. Although ECO won't see it that way (He probably will think why UK and not Phils?), they will always presume you want to enter UK to work using student visa.

When I enrolled I was given the choice which level I want to start , the choices were 2 3 and 4. I chose 2 means to say they will never say no you cant do 2 coz you already done 3 or 4. You can always go one level down if you wish to and it will benefit you because it will give you a fresh start and familiarity (UK style).


Hope everything will be ok for you. Best Regards.

thanks thanks! Im nvq 3& 4,im glad u mentioned familiarity! =) i was just wondering having them question me, bout abandoning my course and opted to continue in UK,when registered nurSes here in the phils are doing quite the same.i mean,shouldnt that be a plus for me,coz i want to finish in UK,and n0t in phils.moreover,i stopped after i learned about studies in UK,after the semester i was finishing.Not a year after,not a decade after.why would nurses wanna study when they already had a license,finished whatever with what nvq has to offer.but u know,i wouldnt put that in my appeal.lol. Thanks so much!u gave me a headstart with what im going to state in my appeal. If u wanna add more,please. Hehe. Godspeed!

[jaishann]

thanks thanks! Im nvq 3& 4,im glad u mentioned familiarity! =) i was just wondering having them question me, bout abandoning my course and opted to continue in UK,when registered nurSes here in the phils are doing quite the same.i mean,shouldnt that be a plus for me,coz i want to finish in UK,and n0t in phils.moreover,i stopped after i learned about studies in UK,after the semester i was finishing.Not a year after,not a decade after.why would nurses wanna study when they already had a license,finished whatever with what nvq has to offer.but u know,i wouldnt put that in my appeal.lol. Thanks so much!u gave me a headstart with what im going to state in my appeal. If u wanna add more,please. Hehe. Godspeed!

Hi there we have nurses here in the forum that can give you specific answer to your question. As far as I am aware registered nurses from the Phils who wishes to work in the UK as a nurse are required to pass an examination but not to extent of going back to school, I think it is more like of an accreditation. Well to gain a qualification from UK is a bonus (for those who can afford) and an advantage if you plan to work here but it doesnt mean to say that a qualification from the Phils is no good here in UK say for example If you have done Level 3 and 4 in accounts in Phils next step here is either CIMA or ACCA so first try to find out what is next level to what you have abandoned (your course before) then go for that one in this case you are not going 1 level down but instead one level up is that ok?