The BNP

[Northerner]

Now that the BNP has been forced to amend its constitution and allow none white people into their ranks (see story (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/15/bnp-non-white-members)).. I have a question? :Erm:

What would happen if enough none white people joined the BNP as paying members and voted on a new leader.. A none white leader for the BNP? :Erm:

And another question. Could they also amend the BNPs constitution even more and make it ultra liberal-left leaning?

The mind boggles in how far the BNP could be ruined! :icon_lol:

[KeithD]

They need to put it to the vote with the members, and as they are all inbred retards, they'll stuggle to figure out what the big words are in the question! :rolleyes:

[johncar54]

Northerer, just my thought too.

I guess its just around the corner when all National teams will have to include anybody from any country.

And there will be no women only teams, or men only teams, and every one will have to compete with everyone else. So mixed football. cricket, rugby, boxing .................

No segregated changing rooms, hospital wards, public toilets ............

Or am I just being as stupid as those who say / make it the law, that no group can choose who they want as a member ?

[aromulus]

The slime BNP has been allowed to surface from under the rocks, by the ineptitude and carelessness of this gov in regard to lack of border controls, unchecked immigration leading to creation of no go areas ghettos.

The discontent within the indigenous population is growing, and we may yet see open revolts, unless someone in charge does something tangible to sort of stop, or reverse the trend to some degree.

It is all very good and very nice for us open minded and racially unbiased folks, welcoming the diversity of it all, but unfortunately we have to realize that the scum lives here too, and it is too late to deal with it efficiently.
They have managed to sow the seeds of discord, thanks to incompetent, greedy politicians, only worried about their status and income, and the task of re-educating people, on the matter, is going to be very hard if not impossible.

My fear is that, not content with a couple of seats in Europe, they will gain some in Parliament.... And that is something which may drag democracy down the pan...

[johncar54]

My fear is that, not content with a couple of seats in Europe, they will gain some in Parliament.... And that is something which may drag democracy down the pan...

Aromulus. I am not a supporter of BNP, nor any extreme group who seek to impose their will on others, but doesn't 'democracy' imply all should be allowed their view. If not, then its a slippery slope to, those who can decide who can be represented and those who cant, with the result: no democracy.

Isn't it better that the majority can be allowed to ridicule those, on ALL SIDES, with whom they do not agree?

[aromulus]

but doesn't 'democracy' imply all should be allowed their view.
?

You are right.

But in a case like this there should be exceptions.

[johncar54]

You are right.

But in a case like this there should be exceptions.

But who will decide?

At present in the UK I believe the law provides for extreme cases where there is incitement to act against another Group. Don't you think that is enough ?

[bornatbirth]

but doesn't 'democracy' imply all should be allowed their view.

i feel we should live in a country where we are allowed a uncensored and true democracy to air our views but this would just result in it being abused?

it isnt just the BNP,its also the muslim extremist then we could have hardcore porn shown at primetime....seems to me people cant be trusted so we need laws:D

[aromulus]

At present in the UK I believe the law provides for extreme cases where there is incitement to act against another Group. Don't you think that is enough ?

Where is the enforcement..??

Provisions of laws and enforcing them are two separate issues.
The police are afraid to act in case they get sued for all sorts of ridiculous claims against them, or individual officers.
Gone are the days of the copper on a white charger wading into the rioters... And restore peace.

Authority has been eroded to nothing.
And BNP is taking advantage of what has been put in front of them... A captive audience, sick and tired of their MPs not listening or acting on the collective wishes and fears.

[Alan]

The slime BNP has been allowed to surface from under the rocks, by the ineptitude and carelessness of this gov in regard to lack of border controls, unchecked immigration leading to creation of no go areas ghettos.

The discontent within the indigenous population is growing, and we may yet see open revolts, unless someone in charge does something tangible to sort of stop, or reverse the trend to some degree.

It is all very good and very nice for us open minded and racially unbiased folks, welcoming the diversity of it all, but unfortunately we have to realize that the scum lives here too, and it is too late to deal with it efficiently.
They have managed to sow the seeds of discord, thanks to incompetent, greedy politicians, only worried about their status and income, and the task of re-educating people, on the matter, is going to be very hard if not impossible.

My fear is that, not content with a couple of seats in Europe, they will gain some in Parliament.... And that is something which may drag democracy down the pan...

I echo your sentiments Dom. However, I refer to your last sentence and I beg the question - 'What democracy?'

Indeed, philosophically speaking, democracy is somewhat of an abstract concept.

Al.:)

[Alan]

I refer to democracy in 'political' terms.

Al.:)

[johncar54]

Alan, I appreciate 'where you are coming from' but I think most people have an everyday idea, as Wikipedia definition:-

"Even though there is no specific, universally accepted definition of 'democracy' there are two principles that any definition of democracy includes, equality and freedom. These principles are reflected by all citizens being equal before the law, and having equal access to power. Additionally, all citizens are able to enjoy legitimized freedoms and liberties, which are usually protected by a constitution."

[KeithD]

If democracy is so why is it a different process in each democratic country? :Erm:

[johncar54]

If democracy is so why is it a different process in each democratic country? :Erm:

If that is a serious question, which I accept it may not be !

It is because the word -democracy- does not have one universal meaning and thus can be used to describe a number of different systems.

Maybe like -motor car- they are all similar but at the extremes very different. Or humans etc.

[KeithD]

If that is a serious question
Yes! :Erm:

It's a generic statement question on a public forum that is asking for other people's views. :doh

[johncar54]

Yes! :Erm:

It's a generic statement question on a public forum that is asking for other people's views. :doh

Well in that case, I am glad I gave you my answer.

[aromulus]

Democracy...... A joke at times....

Election times is a democratic process... That is, in my opinion, where everything democratic ends.

Because after that, whoever gets elected seems to think that the mandate given to them by the voters for dealing with issues close to their hearts, does not matter at all, and it is just seen as a nuisance.

[KeithD]

Remember the main reason we didn't have an EU Referendum? "You can't trust the public" :doh

Another reason was; "The public just don't understand it" - So how many MP's actually read it all? Probably count them on your hand. :NoNo:

If they ae so clever with these things, why not test them? Those that pass get a vote. :rolleyes:

[johncar54]

why not test them? Those that pass get a vote.

I don't think you meant the electorate but maybe that would be a good idea.

After all one must pass a test before driving a car, and who we vote for is more important than driving.

I think I am petty safe in saying, although I will get shot for saying it, a large percentage of the electorate probably don't understand the reasons why they might choose one candidate rather than another.

Many vote labour because its the working mans party or conservative because it not the work mans party, or Social Democratic because they should be given a chance.'

And, its probably those who don't understand why they should vote for one party or another, who's vote decides who get elected.

[KeithD]

I vote for the one with the best pubic hair style..... it shows effort! :Cuckoo:

[Tawi2]

I vote for the one with the best pubic hair style..... it shows effort! :Cuckoo:
That would be the merkin party,a different style every day :xxgrinning--00xx3:
BNP:Erm: Brits'N'Pinays?

[adam&chryss]

If muslim :censored: can have their say then i`ll happily listen to the BNP. If they cant have their say then neither should muslims. Simple really.
I`ll also be more than happy if I never heard or saw either of them for the rest of my lifetime.

[Scouse]

[SIZE=4]Gone are the days of the copper on a white charger wading into the rioters... And restore peace.


Obviously haven't been on a demo recently then. In my experience they are worse than they ever were

[SteveL]

Here inthe UK we pride ourselves on democracy. But democracy means that a person or a group or people who are advocating at the top of their lungs what you would spend your life to deny, to fight even has the right to speak their mind.
To deny this, means we become the thing we fear - a group of people who want to deny another group equal rights based on not liking them. In a perverse way, we become the racists.
BNP like so many other groups hate. Their hatred is based on skin colour, religion, ethnicity and a group of other things. There will always be people who thrive on fear, on hatred and these people will always point a finger at a minority group and shout its all their fault. Protestants hate Catholics in Ireland and vis versa. Muslims hate Christians. Whites hate everyone else. As Chris Rock the comedian put it .........."Niggers and Jews is next, that train is never late".
What's the answer? For me the answer is to understand and everyone is capable of good and evil, right and wrong, fear and violence. But in 99.9% of us, we keep it in check. It's the 0.01% that cause trouble and they cause a lot of it. So lets not give these people a platform beyond what is reasonable.

[Northerner]

Here inthe UK we pride ourselves on democracy. But democracy means that a person or a group or people who are advocating at the top of their lungs what you would spend your life to deny, to fight even has the right to speak their mind.
To deny this, means we become the thing we fear - a group of people who want to deny another group equal rights based on not liking them. In a perverse way, we become the racists.
BNP like so many other groups hate. Their hatred is based on skin colour, religion, ethnicity and a group of other things. There will always be people who thrive on fear, on hatred and these people will always point a finger at a minority group and shout its all their fault. Protestants hate Catholics in Ireland and vis versa. Muslims hate Christians. Whites hate everyone else. As Chris Rock the comedian put it .........."Niggers and Jews is next, that train is never late".
What's the answer? For me the answer is to understand and everyone is capable of good and evil, right and wrong, fear and violence. But in 99.9% of us, we keep it in check. It's the 0.01% that cause trouble and they cause a lot of it. So lets not give these people a platform beyond what is reasonable.

Well said:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[somebody]

The worse thing you could do with the BNP and other extremist bigoted groups is to ban them make them seem daring to be part off to some.

Like the police do let them say in the public eye where they can keep an eye on them, they dont seem exciting to those who want to rebel.

Look at clockwork orange i remeber it being exciting to watch a video of when tyounger now since its shown on TV now and then its lost all the appeal.

Banning or stopping people do something often has the wrong affect it seems.

Im pretty Sure many young Muslim and White extremists just doing it to rebel. Many of their parents I bet were not sharing the same extreme views in fact more likely the opposite.

Make the groups mundane and out argue them whoever the bigots are.

[joebloggs]

true andy, look at Sinn Féin they get a taste of power and they like it and want to keep it, so they have to become more moderate and electable, probably the same with the BNP, they got 2 euro mp's who will want to stay there now they have some power and i'm sure they will water down thier policies so they get the votes to stay there..

[bornatbirth]

the BNP in europe,i thought they wanna keep foreigners out,now they go to work with them :icon_lol:

i may vote for them,looks like they are changing for the better :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[somebody]

true andy, look at Sinn Féin they get a taste of power and they like it and want to keep it, so they have to become more moderate and electable, probably the same with the BNP, they got 2 euro mp's who will want to stay there now they have some power and i'm sure they will water down thier policies so they get the votes to stay there..


Well they would need to change a lot before i would vote for them.

I mean the american liberals party who now have a Black Leader were once pro slavery.

[joebloggs]

the BNP in europe,i thought they wanna keep foreigners out,now they go to work with them :icon_lol:
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give the bnp euro mps a year there and what a great life their having on their expenses i wouldn't be surprised if they then defected to the conservatives

:REGamblMoney01HL1::REGamblMoney01HL1::REGamblMoney01HL1:

[KeithD]

If muslim :censored: can have their say then i`ll happily listen to the BNP.
One of the problems in the UK is just this statement, confusing relgion with politics. :doh

[Northerner]

It is :censored:bags like these people (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=det7TUsLy8U) who further the cause of the BNP

:cwm23:

[Arthur Little]

Ah well, I'm proud to be Scottish ... even though I've only worn the National Dress :Kilt: on two occasions [both times hired] for a couple of close family weddings. But still, some of the Scot Nats' policies are a bit too extreme for my liking! On the other hand, I'm no great fan of the EU either.

[aromulus]

It doesn't matter really, about ramblings on democracy, freedom of speech and all that blarney associated with it.....

The truth of the matter is that the BNP is a bunch of obnoxious, racists, and despite a party constitution, they are not a party at all, but a rabble of ignorant hooligans.

[James Hubbard]

It doesn't matter really, about ramblings on democracy, freedom of speech and all that blarney associated with it.....

The truth of the matter is that the BNP is a bunch of obnoxious, racists, and despite a party constitution, they are not a party at all, but a rabble of ignorant hooligans.

are they? i'm no supporter, but, is there actual evidence of that?

[aromulus]

are they? i'm no supporter, but, is there actual evidence of that?

I reckon that your long stay in Pinas has kept you away from snippets of UK news, you will have a lot of catching up to do after you are back ....:NoNo:

[James Hubbard]

I reckon that your long stay in Pinas has kept you away from snippets of UK news, you will have a lot of catching up to do after you are back ....:NoNo:

maybe i should search recent news then :doh

[aromulus]

maybe i should search recent news then :doh

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1219538/Ashley-Cole-insulted-BNP-interview-BBC-Radio-1.html

http://www.uaf.org.uk/news.asp?choice=70124

http://bristolantifa.org/2009/09/30/local-bnp-thug-guilty-of-domestic-violence/

[johncar54]

I wonder what the intentions of these parties is in UK, and if there are any fundamental objections which could be applied to them (any any other similar groups) and BNF ?

http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/index.php

http://www.islamicparty.com/


Al Muhajiroun en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Muhajiroun

I also heard on the BCC, it may not be correct and if so please correct me, that at the end of Muslim service, when the Christians would say something to the effect 'Go in Peace' they say ‘death to all infidels’ to which the reply is ‘amen'

[James Hubbard]

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1219538/Ashley-Cole-insulted-BNP-interview-BBC-Radio-1.html

http://www.uaf.org.uk/news.asp?choice=70124

http://bristolantifa.org/2009/09/30/local-bnp-thug-guilty-of-domestic-violence/

in the process of reading and studying these links now :)

[aromulus]

when the Christians would say something to the effect 'Go in Peace' they say ‘death to all infidels’ to which the reply is ‘amen'

It wouldn't surprise me in the least.....:NoNo:

But then it could be expected from a creed that advocates death to gays, adulterers, apostasy, and heavens knows what other minor transgressions....:doh

So basically, in my mind, it seems to be rather tribal, run by fear and subjugation...

[LastViking]

The worse thing you could do with the BNP and other extremist bigoted groups is to ban them make them seem daring to be part off to some.

Like the police do let them say in the public eye where they can keep an eye on them, they dont seem exciting to those who want to rebel.

Look at clockwork orange i remeber it being exciting to watch a video of when tyounger now since its shown on TV now and then its lost all the appeal.

Banning or stopping people do something often has the wrong affect it seems.

Im pretty Sure many young Muslim and White extremists just doing it to rebel. Many of their parents I bet were not sharing the same extreme views in fact more likely the opposite.

Make the groups mundane and out argue them whoever the bigots are.

Excellent response. The answer is that those right thinking people who oppose the views expressed by any party, need to stand up and make their own point.

The problem is not the BNP but the quality of the political parties and their inability to tackle the root causes on which the BNP and others thrive. It is those problems of unemployment, extreme divides, and poor quality education that should be be tackled.

We have had years of reports and change for change sake and still we have some of the poorest social areas. MPs need to be more accountable to the people that they serve and less tied to the party system.

In my own view, we have given away Parliamentary control to the Executive. Parliament needs to take control back from the Government. The Government should be doing Parliaments bidding, not the other way around.

[somebody]

It doesn't matter really, about ramblings on democracy, freedom of speech and all that blarney associated with it.....

The truth of the matter is that the BNP is a bunch of obnoxious, racists, and despite a party constitution, they are not a party at all, but a rabble of ignorant hooligans.

Im glad you mentioned which party:D Could of been most of them:D

[KeithD]

The truth of the matter is that the BNP is a bunch of obnoxious, racists, and despite a party constitution, they are not a party at all, but a rabble of ignorant hooligans.
Maybe we could label Labour as terrorists for invading another country on the back of our leader licking Bush :rolleyes:

[James Hubbard]

It doesn't matter really, about ramblings on democracy, freedom of speech and all that blarney associated with it.....

The truth of the matter is that the BNP is a bunch of obnoxious, racists, and despite a party constitution, they are not a party at all, but a rabble of ignorant hooligans.

Ahhh, I miss the UK, the ignorant hooligans :rolleyes:

[KeithD]

Ahhh, I miss the UK, the ignorant hooligans :rolleyes:
They are all in Spain now taking advantage of the £1 EasyJet flights, a government policy to get them out the country! :D

[somebody]

They are all in Spain now taking advantage of the £1 EasyJet flights, a government policy to get them out the country! :D

LOL I wondered why they always show single fares!!! I was wondering who was buying all these single fares and now its a brillant goverment scheme well i never..

[KeithD]

LOL I wondered why they always show single fares!!! I was wondering who was buying all these single fares and now its a brillant goverment scheme well i never..
They all have to walk home, and as they all lost their passports on a night out with a ladyboy, they all hang around Calais trying to sneak back in by hiding in the back of trucks :rolleyes:

[johncar54]

They are all in Spain now taking advantage of the £1 EasyJet flights, a government policy to get them out the country! :D

Well at 26C with clear blue sky and bright sun, as usual, no apparent racism, who could blame them !

[somebody]

Well at 26C with clear blue sky and bright sun, as usual, no apparent racism, who could blame them !


I thought all the rasicts in Spain are Football managers or watch F1:D

[johncar54]

I thought all the rasicts in Spain are Football managers or watch F1:D

That's as maybe, but its not apparent in every day life. Every body just gets on and if someones expresses an idea, nobody is looking to jump on it to find a reason to complain. Its just someone's comment, like it used to be in UK !

[joebloggs]

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134511/Dutch-MP-greeted-by-hate-mob-

When she was Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith banned the visit over fears that it could pose a threat to public security. But her ruling was overturned by the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal this week.

Mr Wilders, 46, said: “I am very happy to be here. I love the UK. Being here today in the UK is a victory. It is a victory for freedom of speech.


good old AIT, their not racist, they let anyone in :D

[GaryFifer]

Waste of time even talking about these turds:

[somebody]

That's as maybe, but its not apparent in every day life. Every body just gets on and if someones expresses an idea, nobody is looking to jump on it to find a reason to complain. Its just someone's comment, like it used to be in UK !


Which is still how most of the UK lives. But the BNP and racist insults are a different kettle of fish.

Should English footballers and others have to put up with monkey chants?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2333098/Spains-racism-shame.html

This was a good one

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/2586096/Beijing-Olympics-Slit-eyed-photos-highlight-racial-insensitivity.html

As usual one of those doing it used the old line "I have many Oriental friends" :rolleyes:

Should Lewis Hamilton have to put up with this? It seems so, im sure spanish footballers in the UK would not..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/08/spain.sport


But you cant be racist in Spain, its just taking the mick out of people. So the next spainsh person I see in the UK I will call manuel or diago and mock his skin colour, call him a donkey killer and the fact he cant say jimmy:D

Funny that i have heard of many Spainish people in spain complaining of racism in the UK and elsewhere. possibly they were like some Brits happy to hand it out but dont like it in return. In fact I have heard some of my Wifes family mainly the older ones happy to insult and disrespect other races and religons yet get upset if they hear of Phills being racially discrimated agaisnt:doh

[johncar54]

Hi Somebody, not sure if you were having a go at me, because I live in Spain, but not to worry, if you were, it saved someone else and I have a really thick skin.

I know there have been a few highlighted incidents in Spain, but I still say that actually living here, and of course I have a Filipino wife and lots of Filipino friends, I and my wife are not aware of any problem, except maybe the odd look from visiting Brits when they see a 69 year old with a pretty 37 year old wife.

And, as you say, racist remarks are in no way confined to one race type. To be 'fair skinned' in many countries is looked upon as being better than dark in many countries where the indigenous community is dark skinned.

[adam&chryss]

One of the problems in the UK is just this statement, confusing relgion with politics. :doh

I couldnt agree more but it seems that most of the BNP policies seem to surround muslims and their beliefs so I guess thats politics and religion mixed.

[somebody]

Hi Somebody, not sure if you were having a go at me, because I live in Spain, but not to worry, if you were, it saved someone else and I have a really thick skin.

I know there have been a few highlighted incidents in Spain, but I still say that actually living here, and of course I have a Filipino wife and lots of Filipino friends, I and my wife are not aware of any problem, except maybe the odd look from visiting Brits when they see a 69 year old with a pretty 37 year old wife.

And, as you say, racist remarks are in no way confined to one race type. To be 'fair skinned' in many countries is looked upon as being better than dark in many countries where the indigenous community is dark skinned.

Not at all just i have a problem with the Spainish racists who seem to not get the offence they cause. I have had the prvillige to go to Spain and watch football and trust me the Policing there was shocking and some of the chanting and actions towards non white players was just not on..

So please dont think it was aimmed at you.

But while the UK has it fair share of people who think nearly all some people do is racist. Spain is the total opposite and seems to have many who dont see offending people as some do and the majority not opposing is as bad as doing it your self in my view.

[somebody]

This weekend there is going to be a demonstation by muslims for Sharia law in this country !!!! would not this be an exception, its all we need to stir up more race hatred.... Unless the government dont do something about the mass immigration we have in this country, then parties like the BNP will flourish, and become popular..

For me from what I know many Law abiding Muslims who are very religous dont want Sharia Law and prefer secular Law as they think like the Muslims in the past where they protected all religons living in their areas. They tend to ignore them as the extreme fringe tend to thrive on the attention i understand.

So whatever extremist bigot they are dont give them the oxygen of publicty

[Northerner]

This weekend there is going to be a demonstation by muslims for Sharia law in this country !!!! would not this be an exception, its all we need to stir up more race hatred.... Unless the government dont do something about the mass immigration we have in this country, then parties like the BNP will flourish, and become popular..

Sadly, these idiots are always out in force when ever the moment to get a bit of press comes along. Being in a minority of a minority, they like to shout loud and scream Jihad whenever the chance comes available. All in an effort to boost their own membership with disillusioned young Muslims.

And yes. It is pathetic that they incite hatred and violence but the wimps in Government would rather ban a Dutch MP than begin criminal prosecutions on these shores against open and outright treason. When it comes to Geert Wilders, I truly think he is having a bit of a laugh when he says he wants the Qur'an banned, and compares it to Mein Kampf. Yes, the Qur'an inspires violence and so did Mein Kampf. But so did the Bible! :cwm34:

I think one problem we have in this country, indeed this continent. Is that we are not naturally a nation of immigrants, making it difficult to adjust to the changes they bring. But Britain is changing, and in many ways for the better. But until we make it clear that integration is not an opt in or out option to all immigrants, we will have problems like this for some time to come! :Erm:

[somebody]

I think one problem we have in this country, indeed this continent. Is that we are not naturally a nation of immigrants, making it difficult to adjust to the changes they bring. But Britain is changing, and in many ways for the better. But until we make it clear that integration is not an opt in or out option to all immigrants, we will have problems like this for some time to come! :Erm:


Hey I thought most of the Whiteys i know are a bit this bit that very few are English back untill the 1700's say.

The UK as far as im aware has had always had a lot of immigrants even if they are only from other european countries.

[Northerner]

Hey I thought most of the Whiteys i know are a bit this bit that very few are English back untill the 1700's say.

The UK as far as im aware has had always had a lot of immigrants even if they are only from other european countries.

Yes we are all immigrants :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Allow me to explain.. When my parents came to the UK, they settled down and had a family. Just like most immigrants, arriving and settling in and making a home for themselves.

The people in the video link I posted are not interested in just settling down. They want special privileges! They want Sharia (Sharia literally means law, so the word in itself is enough).. They want the natives to change their way of life for the one proposed by a tiny minority of people. And they will mention freedom of speech when people criticize their inflammatory ramblings, but prescribe the death penalty for a Danish cartoonist or a Dutch MP who says some insensitive things at times which they find insulting...

99% of immigrants to this country accept the laws of the land and the liberal views of the populace. These people - do not! :NoNo:

[johncar54]

I see the BNP will appear on Question Time tonight.

As it is an hour later here, I have set the timer to record the prog. so that I may be better informed regarding what they 'say they stand for.'

[Tawi2]

There are sharia courts operating in certain northern towns :rolleyes: try going to pakistan at the minute and opening a european style court :NoNo:I have had a lot to do with muslims in several different countries,quite a lot of them are hypocritical to be honest,cross over the Karakhoram's from Pakistan into china,head to the nearest large town,Kashgar,its like the wild-west with pakistanis whoring and drinking,the wildest party I ever attended in Pakistan was customs officials p**sed as newts on confiscated alcohol and "Hunza-water",when I was based in Islamabad I was often asked to buy whisky from 5* hotels :icon_lol:

[les_taxi]

Yes we are all immigrants :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Allow me to explain.. When my parents came to the UK, they settled down and had a family. Just like most immigrants, arriving and settling in and making a home for themselves.

The people in the video link I posted are not interested in just settling down. They want special privileges! They want Sharia (Sharia literally means law, so the word in itself is enough).. They want the natives to change their way of life for the one proposed by a tiny minority of people. And they will mention freedom of speech when people criticize their inflammatory ramblings, but prescribe the death penalty for a Danish cartoonist or a Dutch MP who says some insensitive things at times which they find insulting...

99% of immigrants to this country accept the laws of the land and the liberal views of the populace. These people - do not! :NoNo:

i'm with northerner on this 1.i'm not racist at all but i believe you respect the way of life and country you live in.there is no freedom of speech in some of these muslim countries if i critisize a prophet i could be excecuted where i stand:yikes:i would be expected to obey their laws to the letter and any woman would have to cover up.when i hear that they want to invoke crazy relgious laws here and want to slowley conver us to islam i get annoyed.:cwm23:as for bloody local authorities banning xmas light as it may offend a muslim-don't even start me on that 1:Brick:

[johncar54]

I am just watching on TV a demonstration outside the BBC. Its difficulty to work out who are the yobs and bully boys !

[les_taxi]

I am just watching on TV a demonstration outside the BBC. Its difficulty to work who are the yobs and bully boys !

plenty of thugs on show here and they are anti bnp !

[Tawi2]

When Geert Wilders was in London last week there were a load of Muslims protesting shouting "Down with freedom"(the very same freedom that allowed them to protest:Erm:)one of them was interviewed and openly proclaimed they wanted the UK to be an islamic state,most in the crowd looked pakistani in origin,I have been to Pakistan on several occassions(I even know a pinay who lives there)small wonder they want to come to the UK,the country is f***ed up,sexually repressed,poverty stricken:NoNo:Bit like Pinas,the rich are mega-rich,the poor are supressed,woe betide us if we are ever under islamic rule:NoNo:When in rome :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Northerner]

When Geert Wilders was in London last week there were a load of Muslims protesting shouting "Down with freedom"(the very same freedom that allowed them to protest:Erm:)one of them was interviewed and openly proclaimed they wanted the UK to be an islamic state,most in the crowd looked pakistani in origin,I have been to Pakistan on several occassions(I even know a pinay who lives there)small wonder they want to come to the UK,the country is f***ed up,sexually repressed,poverty stricken:NoNo:Bit like Pinas,the rich are mega-rich,the poor are supressed,woe betide us if we are ever under islamic rule:NoNo:When in rome :xxgrinning--00xx3:

An old friend once told me about his father (a deeply, devout Muslim), who would refer to Islamists as asylum seekers.. Because there wasn't a country for them to go back to, and there was no other country with the kind of laws they wanted.. So they were stuck here

And to a point, he was right! One of the principles of the Islamist movement is the so called "Caliphate", or world wide Islamic state. Now, most Pakistani people would go to war against such an idea. The Turks... Apart from having a disdain for the Arabs, their army would turn that country into a new Beirut if Islamic dictatorship took over, a full scale civil war.. So the Islamist movement is simply a pipe dream. Only a very small minority would even consider it!

But again, our freedom of speech allows these hateful people to say what they want. And to that extent, I support them. Until they start calling for death to those who insult Islam. When I hear them giving out that kind of rant, even I want to call them out and draw their anger. But I think a line needs to be drawn somewhere, and it should be made very clear. If you think your religious beliefs allow you to preach hate and violence? Preach it in Prison! Coz that's where we would send you....

[Tawi2]

Watch the news,most of the BBC protesters are middle-class noodle-knitting limp wristed white kids who are doing their protests against Nick Griffiths being allowed freedom of speech but why didnt they ever protest against Abu Hamzas rants outside finsbury park mosque when he burnt the union jack?Most of them have been nowhere,seen nowt,they are the free tibet trendy brigade who havent even been to tibet,give nick griffiths his say,I have been racially abused right here in the UK,by both a pakistani(which shocked me) and an african who didnt seem to like the idea I refused to inherit the guilt because of what the colonials had done to his country,I asked him how long does a wound take to heal,and reminded him the africans and the arabs were the worlds biggest slavers and its still possible to buy slaves in parts of africa whether indentured labourers or genuine heres a couple of hundred dollars give me her slaves,as for islam,saudi is pretty hardcore,if they want to reside in an islamic utopian extreme state they could always go to the worlds largest beach :rolleyes: