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mickcant

30th October 2009, 17:41

Hello all,
Our helpful (Pete_Forum Moderator) suggested I contact the "Nationality and Immigration service" to report that my wife who has a spoucal visa has returned to the Philippines after two weeks.

When I put "Nationality and Immigration service" in gogal search engine it brings up " United Kingdom Home Office, Immigration and Nationality Directorate"
Should this be the correct place?
I emaild them but got a standard reply that only coverd applying for a visa.
Has anyone reported this before?:Brick:
Thanks Mick.

darren-b

30th October 2009, 18:25

This is the correct place. I think I've picked out the best contact details for you to use.

http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/contact/contactspage/contactcentres/

Phone: 0870 606 7766
Email: UKBApublicenquiries@ukba.gsi.gov.uk
Address: UK Border Agency, Lunar House, 40 Wellesley Road, Croydon, Surrey CR9 2BY
Opening Hours: Monday to Thursday 0900 to 1645. Friday 0900 to 1630.

September

30th October 2009, 18:28

Thats great idea to do Mick, keep going

James Hubbard

30th October 2009, 18:33

ya bud, darren b is right.

It's the correct place, go where Darren leads you . . . and . . . they will not respond til they're good and ready, although you may feel like your'e beating your head against a brick wall (if only I had a smiley for that ... oh, look there, i do . . . :Brick::Brick: )

IainBusby

30th October 2009, 21:15

Phone: 0870 606 7766
Email: UKBApublicenquiries@ukba.gsi.gov.uk
Address: UK Border Agency, Lunar House, 40 Wellesley Road, Croydon, Surrey CR9 2BY
:xxgrinning--00xx3:
They do seem to be better at answering emails than they do at answering the phone. They usually send a reply right away saying something like, "Thank you for contacting the UK Border Agency. We aim to respond to general enquiries about immigration matters within five working days" but they usually reply to your query properly within a couple of days.

Iain.

mickcant

30th October 2009, 23:43

:xxgrinning--00xx3:
They do seem to be better at answering emails than they do at answering the phone. They usually send a reply right away saying something like, "Thank you for contacting the UK Border Agency. [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]We aim to respond to general enquiries about immigration matters within five working days" but they usually reply to your query properly within a couple of days.

Iain.
Hi Iain,
When the visa is applied for it is based on the sponcer being able to support the visa holder and where thease are female most paid for by the sponcer too.
As in my wifes case they can go home after such a short time,that of course is her right for whatever reason.
Is it right though that she could then even after I have reported that she has gone home re use the visa to come back to the UK for almost any reason and perhaps very little funding?
Puzzeld Mick.:Brick::Brick:

somebody

31st October 2009, 00:17

In the email would possibly mention ( I know it might be painful) how the marriage has broken down and possibly details not known at the time of application have come to light??

darren-b

31st October 2009, 09:16

In the email would possibly mention ( I know it might be painful) how the marriage has broken down and possibly details not known at the time of application have come to light??

Yup, you need to mention that the marriage has broken down permanently and under no circumstances will you be supporting the renewal of her visa in the future. I don't think you need to go into any real details.

IainBusby

31st October 2009, 10:22

Hi Iain,
When the visa is applied for it is based on the sponcer being able to support the visa holder and where thease are female most paid for by the sponcer too.
As in my wifes case they can go home after such a short time,that of course is her right for whatever reason.
Is it right though that she could then even after I have reported that she has gone home re use the visa to come back to the UK for almost any reason and perhaps very little funding?
Puzzeld Mick.:Brick::Brick:

Hi Mick,
Once you've reported the situation to them I'm pretty sure her visa will be cancelled, but apart from that fact being recorded on a database somewhere, I'm not sure what else would happen. They might write to her at the address the visa was despatched to informing her that it has been cancelled but who knows.

If she decided to come here, with a valid visa in her passport, she probably would be allowed to board a plane in Manila and would probably be able pass through immigration in the UK without a problem. Even if immigration in the UK stopped and questioned her, she could say she was still living at your address and that the reason she had gone home so soon after arriving was to attend a funeral or something.

From what I've gleaned from watching UK Border Force on the telly, they don't tend to look things up on the computer unless things don't look quite normal at first glance.

It might be a good idea when you do contact UKBA to ask them what steps they are likely to take to stop her re-entering the country.

Iain.

darren-b

31st October 2009, 10:42

Hi Mick,
Once you've reported the situation to them I'm pretty sure her visa will be cancelled, but apart from that fact being recorded on a database somewhere, I'm not sure what else would happen. They might write to her at the address the visa was despatched to informing her that it has been cancelled but who knows.

If she decided to come here, with a valid visa in her passport, she probably would be allowed to board a plane in Manila and would probably be able pass through immigration in the UK without a problem. Even if immigration in the UK stopped and questioned her, she could say she was still living at your address and that the reason she had gone home so soon after arriving was to attend a funeral or something.

From what I've gleaned from watching UK Border Force on the telly, they don't tend to look things up on the computer unless things don't look quite normal at first glance.

It might be a good idea when you do contact UKBA to ask them what steps they are likely to take to stop her re-entering the country.

Iain.

I presumed that when a UK issued machine readable passport/visas get scanned that your status is checked. Or does it just record the fact that you entered?

IainBusby

31st October 2009, 11:08

I presumed that when a UK issued machine readable passport/visas get scanned that your status is checked. Or does it just record the fact that you entered?

It would be interesting to know that!

mickcant

31st October 2009, 11:37

I presumed that when a UK issued machine readable passport/visas get scanned that your status is checked. Or does it just record the fact that you entered?

Hi all,:Hellooo:
But would that apply to a Philippines issued passport?
Mick.

joebloggs

31st October 2009, 11:55

pennybarry

31st October 2009, 12:08

It would be interesting to know that!

Hi all,:Hellooo:
But would that apply to a Philippines issued passport?
Mick.

Philippine passport is not readable by machine at airport.
I had my holiday 2 months ago and hubby, dropped me at Newcastle Airport, I had my operation few days before my flight, hubby did help for my check-in, luggage check, as I am not allowed to lift heavy things. He also tried to see if my passport is readable for speedy queue, but staff said, it is not readable.:omg::D

darren-b

31st October 2009, 12:24

Hi all,:Hellooo:
But would that apply to a Philippines issued passport?
Mick.

The visa though is UK issued, and they will check/scan that.

I doubt your ex will come back to the UK Mick, why would she spend £500+ on an air ticket and risk being deported straight back to the phils from the UK. Even if she did get back to the UK, once her visa expired, that's if its not curtailed first be the H/O she would have to leave the UK as she would need your help to apply for ILR, or she would become an over stayer and sooner or later she will probably be caught and be deported.

just report that your marriage is over to the H/O and that's all you can do, and forget about it and her, and move on leaving this sad part of your life behind you :NoNo:

It would be less than £500 for a single, and the potential gain (at least 18 months working legally, plus anytime working illegally) is a lot.

IainBusby

31st October 2009, 12:50

I doubt your ex will come back to the UK Mick, why would she spend £500+ on an air ticket and risk being deported straight back to the phils from the UK. Even if she did get back to the UK, once her visa expired, that's if its not curtailed first be the H/O she would have to leave the UK as she would need your help to apply for ILR, or she would become an over stayer and sooner or later she will probably be caught and be deported.

just report that your marriage is over to the H/O and that's all you can do, and forget about it and her, and move on leaving this sad part of your life behind you :NoNo:

But she would be able to work here legally for a couple of years and if her employer was a bit sloppy and didn't make a note of when her visa was due to expire, she could probably be able to work a lot longer before, or if ever she was caught and deported.

There are probably millions of Filipino's who would give their eye teeth to be able to come to the UK to and work even for just a couple of years and when the money has run out and she can no longer rely on Mick to give her money, it wouldn't surprise me in least if she did try to come back here.

joebloggs

31st October 2009, 13:22

It would be less than £500 for a single

I haven't checked, but i would be surprised if you can get a one way ticket for much less than £500,

Philippine passport is not readable by machine at airport.

how old is your phils passport penny ?

But she would be able to work here legally for a couple of years and if her employer was a bit sloppy and didn't make a note of when her visa was due to expire, she could probably be able to work a lot longer before, or if ever she was caught and deported.

There are probably millions of Filipino's who would give their eye teeth to be able to come to the UK to and work even for just a couple of years and when the money has run out and she can no longer rely on Mick to give her money, it wouldn't surprise me in least if she did try to come back here.

true, but if she wanted to do that, she would have stayed in the uk, she would not be here legally if her visa was curtailed, and I'm sure as the H/O have her bio data and Philippine passport details, if she did enter and was caught they know where to deport her back to..

darren-b

31st October 2009, 14:04

I haven't checked, but i would be surprised if you can get a one way ticket for much less than £500, ..

Without really trying I found a single flight at the end of November for less than £250 (including taxes).

true, but if she wanted to do that, she would have stayed in the uk, she would not be here legally if her visa was curtailed, and I'm sure as the H/O have her bio data and Philippine passport details, if she did enter and was caught they know where to deport her back to..

As far as any emplyer is concerned she would be legal, and even if the HO checked they may just look at her visa and not bother checking any further.

somebody

31st October 2009, 21:03

I presumed that when a UK issued machine readable passport/visas get scanned that your status is checked. Or does it just record the fact that you entered?

Dont know for sure but from my last couple of flights they just semed to be checking the scanned data matched the printed page.

I remeber reading they recorded people entering but only kept the data for so long. As there was a big ho ha in the papers regarding it a few months back if i recall correctly.

To be honest recording the 10's of millions of flights which enter and depart from the UK would probably mean visas would reach even greater amounts.

darren-b

31st October 2009, 21:58

Dont know for sure but from my last couple of flights they just semed to be checking the scanned data matched the printed page.
I remeber reading they recorded people entering but only kept the data for so long. As there was a big ho ha in the papers regarding it a few months back if i recall correctly.

To be honest recording the 10's of millions of flights which enter and depart from the UK would probably mean visas would reach even greater amounts.

That would make sense if they were checking your passport/photo against the record they held for you. Be fairly easy to flag up people of interest.

You might want to read about the e-Boarders programme. Over the next year most carriers are going to be forced to collect information about passengers to/from the UK even before they travel (like Spain, etc does now) and your travel history will be kept for up to 10 years.

prythee

1st November 2009, 13:09

Philippine passport is not readable by machine at airport.
I had my holiday 2 months ago and hubby, dropped me at Newcastle Airport, I had my operation few days before my flight, hubby did help for my check-in, luggage check, as I am not allowed to lift heavy things. He also tried to see if my passport is readable for speedy queue, but staff said, it is not readable.:omg::D

Recent passport issued to my fiancee in Philippines is machine readable.

joebloggs

1st November 2009, 13:35

That would make sense if they were checking your passport/photo against the record they held for you. Be fairly easy to flag up people of interest.

the immigration officer can also mark their passport as warning to the the next immigration officer who inspects their passport there could be cause for concern :Erm:

somebody

1st November 2009, 14:39

That would make sense if they were checking your passport/photo against the record they held for you. Be fairly easy to flag up people of interest.

You might want to read about the e-Boarders programme. Over the next year most carriers are going to be forced to collect information about passengers to/from the UK even before they travel (like Spain, etc does now) and your travel history will be kept for up to 10 years.

Just had a quick look http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/managingborders/technology/eborders/howebordersworks/

One company involved Serco seem to be everywhere:NoNo:

Sounds like one more IT programe the UK can bodge up. Going to be fun at passport control where the system goes down for whatever reason..

Many work mates who travel regularly use the Iris scan system and say often that has issues at heathrow on regular occasions...

mickcant

11th November 2009, 10:51

the immigration officer can also mark their passport as warning to the the next immigration officer who inspects their passport there could be cause for concern :Erm:

Hi all, I did today send the email to: UKBApublicenquiries@UKBA.gsi.gov.uk telling them that the marriage was over and my wife had returned to the Philippines, and I could not sponcer her if she returned to be with somone else,
But, I only got a standard respones I will put it below, I cannot understand if I need to re direct it?

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Sportspeople - For a migrant coming to fill a vacancy as an elite sportsperson or coach whose employment will make a significant contribution to the development of their sport at the highest level.

Ministers of Religion - For a migrant coming to fill a vacancy as either a Minister of Religion, Missionary or a Member of a Religious Order.

You will be able to apply to switch into Tier 2 (General / Sportspeople / Ministers of Religion) in the UK if you currently have leave to enter or remain in one of the following categories: PBS Tier 1 or Tier 2, Highly Skilled Migrant Programme, Innovator, Jewish Agency Employee, Member of the Operational Ground Staff of an Overseas Owned Airline, Minister of Religion, Missionary or Member of Religious Order, Overseas qualified nurse or midwife, Fresh Talent: Working in Scotland Scheme, International Graduates Scheme (IGS) / SEGS, Post Graduate Doctor or Dentist, Work Permit Holder, Representative of an Overseas Newspaper, News Agency or Broadcasting Organisation, Student, Student Nurse, Student re-sitting an exam, student writing up a thesis, Student Union Sabbatical Officer.

You will be able to apply to switch into Tier 2 (Intra Company Transfer) if you currently have leave to enter or remain as a Work Permit holder, where that leave was last granted as an Intra Company Transferee and you are still working for the same employer as you were at the time of the earlier grant of leave.

If you are currently in the UK in any other category, you will need to leave the UK and apply for Entry Clearance in these categories.

You will need to complete a self-assessment before you complete the Tier 2 application form, in order to calculate the points you can claim for Attributes, English Language and Maintenance requirements. Full details of the requirements and the Points Based Calculator tool for self-assessment are available on the UK Border Agency website at: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/tier2/

If you score sufficient points to make an application, you will be able to complete and submit application form Tier 2 , which is available on the UK Border Agency website. Details of the fee payable for this application and required documents are included in the application form and guidance notes.

If your application is successful, you will be granted a maximum of three years and one month leave to remain in the UK, or in line with the Certificate of Sponsorship plus one month, if it has been issued for less than three years.

When applying under Tier 2 from within the United Kingdom, applicants are required to submit documents showing they have had savings of at least ?800 for at least three months before applying. If the balance has dipped below ?800 during the three month period, the maintenance requirement will not be met.

If dependants are applying at the same time or separately, they will need to show additional savings of ?533 for each dependant. If the main applicant is outside the UK, or has been present in the UK for less than 12 months, each dependant must show that the main applicant or they themselves have at least ?1,600 to support themselves.

The maintenance requirement can also be met by the A-rated Sponsor providing a written undertaking that, should it become necessary, they will maintain and accommodate the applicant and their dependants during their first month in the UK. The letter from the Sponsor should be submitted with the application form.

The types of documents you need to send to support your application are described on the UK Border Agency website at:

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/tier2/general/supportingevidence/maintenance/

If you are outside the UK and you wish to make an application for Entry Clearance, please contact the British Diplomatic Post (the High Commission, Embassy or Consulate) where you will be submitting your application for information.

Contact details for British Diplomatic Posts can be found on the Foreign & Commonwealth Office website at:

http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029395231 <BLOCKED::http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029395231>

Alternatively, you can visit the comprehensive website of the UK Border Agency International Group at www.ukvisas.gov.uk

Tier 4 (General) and Tier 4 (Child) Students

Points Based System Tier 4 opened on 31 March 2009. Tier 4 (General) is for adults (aged 16 or over) coming to or remaining in the UK for study, and for those continuing their education from leave as a Child Student. Tier 4 (Child) is for children between the ages of 4 and 17 who wish to be educated in the UK. Those aged between 4 and 15 may only be educated at independent (private) fee-paying schools.

In order to qualify, you need a Visa Letter from an education provider which holds a Sponsor's Licence.

The educational establishment at which you intend to study is required to assess your academic ability to complete the course, and must provide evidence that they have done so. This may include the level or type of qualification you have obtained previously and the qualification awarding body and/or institution (if applicable). You must submit all the supporting documents listed on your Visa Letter with your application.

You also need to meet the applicable maintenance requirements, which vary according to your circumstances. Full details can be found on the Tier 4 application forms and guidance notes.

From 21st August we are changing the maintenance requirements under Tier 4 to allow all students of any age to use a bank account in their parent's name to evidence that they meet the maintenance requirement.

At present, under transitional arrangements, you will need to provide evidence that you have the required maintenance funds at the time you submit your application. You will not be required to demonstrate that you have held the funds for 28 days. However, you will still need to provide the correct documents to support your application, as specified in the PBS Tier 4 Application Form and Policy Guidance.

If you have paid fees and other expenses in advance, you can deduct the amount paid from the maintenance funds shown, but you must provide the required evidence that confirms payment has been made, as described on the application form. Any advance payments made before you have been granted leave to enter or remain are made entirely at your own risk. You should seek advice from the education provider or other organisation to which payment will be made regarding their terms and conditions.

Full details of the requirements for adult and child students, and the application forms Tier 4 (G) and Tier 4 (C) can be found on the UK Border Agency website at:

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/studyingintheuk/quickguideforstudent

You will be able to apply to switch into Tier 4 (General) if you meet the requirements and you are currently in the UK with permission to stay in one of the following categories: Tier 1 (Post Study Work), Tier 2 (General; Intra Company Transfer; Minister of Religion), Tier 4 (Child) Student, Prospective Student, Student, Student re-sitting an examination, Student Nurse, Student writing up a thesis, Student Union Sabbatical Officer, Work Permit holder, Science and Engineering Graduates Scheme, International Graduates Scheme, Fresh Talent : Working in Scotland Scheme. You can apply to switch into Tier 4 (Child) if you are currently in the UK with permission to stay as a Prospective Student or Student.

If you are currently in the UK in any other category, you will need to leave the UK and apply for Entry Clearance.

Sponsorship

Under the Points Based System (PBS), every migrant from outside the UK (except those applying under Tier 1) will need a Certificate of Sponsorship from a sponsor (Employer or Educational Establishment) on the UK Border Agency's Sponsors Register in order to obtain a visa.

For further information regarding the Points Based System and Sponsorship, please visit the UK Border Agency website at:

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/managingborders/managingmigration/apointsbasedsystem/howitworks

5. Students

Students - Work

The student category of the Immigration Rules has been replaced by Points Based System Tier 4, with effect from 31st March 2009 - see above for details.

Unless their visa states otherwise, a person who is aged 16 or over, and holds valid leave to enter or remain as a student or under Points Based System Tier 4, for 6 months or more, may undertake employment for:

* 20 hours per week during term time
* Full time during vacation periods

A student must not engage in business, self-employment or the provision of services as a professional sports person or entertainer. A student is not permitted to pursue a career by filling a permanent full-time vacancy.

You can continue working full time when your studies are completed for a period of four months or until your visa expires, whichever is sooner, whilst waiting for your examination results, prior to attending your graduation ceremony or before commencement of your new course.

If you are encountering difficulty, the UK Border Agency runs a dedicated helpline for potential employers designed to give advice regarding immigration and employment. Please pass this information to your potential employer and ask them to call: 0300 123 4699.

Students - Changing university or course

If you already hold a student visa under the previous Immigration Rules, you can change your course or university as long as the new course still meets the following immigration requirements:

Full time course, 15 hours per week daytime study, Studying towards a recognised qualification, Studying at a recognised institution.

You will need to advise the UK Border Agency of this change in writing to:

Notifications Team, Compliance Team South, 8th Floor, Lunar House, 40 Wellesley Road, Croydon CR9 2BY.

Migrants who applied for their last Tier 4 visa on or after 5th October who wish to change their educational establishment will be required to submit a new charged Tier 4 application and submit new biometrics, prior to enrolling on their new course. Migrants will be unable to start their new course until the new Tier 4 visa has been approved.

Migrants who applied for their last Tier 4 visa before 5th October will not be required to submit a new charged Tier 4 application when changing educational establishment but should email migrantreporting@ukba.gsi.gov.uk with the following details

* the new course
* the start and finish dates of the course
* the new education provider's name, address and contact details to obtain a letter of permission.

There is no charge for this document. Migrants are able to start the new course before receiving the letter of permission providing they have informed us, but do so at their own risk as UKBA could refuse permission.

If you have leave to remain under Tier 4 and you wish to do a shorter course of study with your approved education provider, or if you wish to do the same or a different course of study with a new approved education provider, you must tell UK Border Agency.

Details of what information you need to send and where to send it to can be found on the UK Border Agency website at:

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/studyingintheuk/adult-students/conditions-of-your-visa-in-uk/changes-to-a-course/

If your Tier 4 leave will expire before the end of the new course, you should submit a fresh Tier 4 application.

Students - Course Fees

Please contact your Educational Establishment or Local Education Authority for information about whether you are considered an overseas or home student.

6. Marriage to a British or Settled Person

The fianc?(e) visa is issued for a 6 month period, during which time you would be expected to finalise your wedding plans and marry. Employment is prohibited under this visa. Once the marriage has taken place, you will need to apply for further leave to remain as a spouse on application form FLR(M).

The spouse visa is for a probationary period of 2 years, during which time you will be able to work without restriction. You will be able to apply for indefinite leave to remain in the United Kingdom no more than 28 days before this visa expires, on application form SET(M).

If the spouse visa was obtained overseas, you can submit an application for indefinite leave to remain 23 months after entering the UK. However, if your entry was delayed by up to 3 months after the issue of your visa, and your visa expires before you have completed 23 months from the date of entry into the UK, you should submit a SET(M) application by post before your visa expires. The application will be placed on hold until the qualifying period has been completed. Alternatively, you can submit an FLR(M) application and, if you meet the requirements for this application, you will be granted a further period of leave to enable you to complete the probationary period.

If you delayed your travel by more than 3 months, you will need to submit an FLR(M) application. If you meet the requirements for this application, you will be granted a further period of leave to enable you to complete the probationary period.

By completing this form, you are also applying for a biometric immigration document (or Identity Card for Foreign Nationals, ICFN) - there is no additional fee to pay for this. Please see point 3 above for further details.

If you did not enter the UK with Entry Clearance as a Fianc?(e) or Marriage Visitor, you may need to obtain a Certificate of Approval in order to marry. Information about the Certificate of Approval can be found on the UK Border Agency website at:

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visitingtheuk/gettingmarried/certificateofapproval/

7. UK Ancestry

A person needs to complete 5 years under the UK Ancestry visa prior to applying for Indefinite Leave to Remain. An application will normally be successful if it can be satisfactorily demonstrated that the applicant meets the requirements of the rules and has spent a continuous period of 5 years in the United Kingdom in this capacity. For this, the application form SET(O) is required.

The earliest you may submit an application for Indefinite Leave to Remain is up to 28 days before the completion of your 5th year.

In order to apply for an extension on your UK Ancestry visa to allow you to complete 5 years in this capacity, the application form FLR(BID) is required. With this application you will be required to provide your full birth certificate, full birth certificates for your parent and British born grandparent and, where necessary to establish the relationship, marriage certificates and/or adoption papers.

By completing this form, you are also applying for a biometric immigration document (or Identity Card for Foreign Nationals, ICFN) - there is no additional fee to pay for this. Please see point 3 above for further details.

Further information and the application form are available on the UK Border Agency website at:

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/applicationforms/flr/flrbid

The Immigration Rules do not allow a person to switch in the UK from another category into UK Ancestry or dependant of a person holding UK Ancestry. In both cases, Entry Clearance must be obtained.

8. Working Holidaymakers - Employment

Working Holidaymakers must not intend to spend more than 12 months of their stay in employment, and must intend to spend the rest of their stay holidaying. You may not engage in business or provide services as a professional sports person and you may only engage in work for a maximum period of 12 months in total throughout your stay. You may choose when to work and when to take your holiday breaks as you wish, but those who exceed the maximum 12 month period of work permitted will be in breach of their conditions. The following guidance should be used in order to calculate the total period to be spent in permitted work

As an employee:

The maximum 12 months period of permitted work is calculated on the basis of the total period spent in employment (including weekends and any leave of absence, e.g. sick leave, annual leave and public holidays that occur during a period of employment), not on the basis of the actual number of days worked. This guidance applies whether the employment concerned is full-time or part-time, and whether the Working Holidaymaker is employed by an agency or any other employer.

Self-employed:

If a Working Holidaymaker engages solely in self employment during his stay in the category, and so is paid by the persons or companies (whether located in the United Kingdom or overseas) for whom he provides services only for the actual work he performs, and has not at any stage during his stay been an employee employed for any periods of time by an employer, he may spend up to a maximum of 365 days working during his stay as a Working Holidaymaker.

Employee and self-employed:

If you have spent some time as an employee and some time self-employed, the total period spent as an employee (see above) should be subtracted from the 12 month period in which work is permitted, when calculating in days the period that remains available to be spent in self-employment.

If you are employed on one job and self-employed on another at the same time, the period spent in work should be calculated on the basis of the period spent in employment as an employee, not in self-employment.

Signed with an employment agency:

If you sign up with an agency you are declaring that you are 'available' to take up work. It is not until you actually 'engage' in work that it can be counted as actual employment. Only periods of actual employment count towards the maximum permitted 12 months work.

Working Holidaymakers - no switching to Points Based System categories

Working Holidaymakers are not permitted to switch in the UK to any Points Based System categories (e.g. Tier 1 (General), Tier 2 (Highly Skilled) or Tier 5 (Temporary Worker). If they meet the requirements for a Points Based System category, they are required to return to their home country and obtain the appropriate Entry Clearance.

9. Child born in the UK

If your child was born in the UK and you currently have limited leave to remain, you will need to obtain and complete application form FLR(O), or PBS (Dependant) if you were granted leave to remain under the Points Based System, in order for them to be granted leave to remain as your dependant.

On form FLR(O), the baby's details should be entered in Section 1 - Applicant's Details. On form PBS (Dependant), the baby's details should be entered in Section 2 - Dependant's Details. You should enclose your own passport with the application.

If you will be leaving the UK and do not intend to return under the conditions of your current leave to remain, you are not required to make an application to the UK Border Agency for your baby. They are deemed to have leave to remain in the UK until you leave.

If you will be making an application for further leave to remain or indefinite leave to remain and do not intend to travel before you do so, you can include the baby as your dependant at that time. However please note, if you travel outside the UK before your baby obtains leave to remain, you will need to obtain Entry Clearance for the baby before you return to the UK.

10. Settlement - Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK

If you are applying for settlement in the United Kingdom you may be required to demonstrate Knowledge of Language and Life in the United Kingdom, in addition to meeting the other requirements for settlement. For further information, please visit the UK Border Agency website at:

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/ukresidency/settlement/languageandlifeinuk/

11. Indefinite Leave to Enter

In terms of your status in the UK, Indefinite Leave to Enter and Indefinite Leave to Remain are exactly the same. The Indefinite Leave to Enter Entry Clearance means, in terms of your current immigration status in the UK, that there is no time limit on your stay in the UK.

The dates shown on an Indefinite Leave to Enter Entry Clearance (EC) vignette are a guide to the holder for travel purposes only or relate to the validity dates of the passport/travel document in which the vignette is endorsed.

The validity and activation of the Entry Clearance is determined by the dates noted on the Entry Clearance vignette not by any ink stamp endorsed in the passport or travel document by a UK Immigration Officer at the port of entry.

The Immigration Officer's stamp merely indicates when the Entry Clearance was used to enter the UK but the Entry Clearance is still valid without an on-entry stamp.

The Entry Clearance should be used to enter the UK within three months of issue but can be used after this date at the discretion of the Immigration Officer.

Once the expiry date noted on your EC is passed it is not necessary for the holder of Indefinite Leave to Enter status to apply within the UK for Indefinite Leave to remain status as they are effectively the same thing and the your, "No time limit "status remains extant.

12. New Passport - Transfer of Conditions or No Time Limit

If you have a new passport and you wish to have your Limited Leave to Enter or Remain status transferred to it, you will need to submit a TOC (Transfer of Conditions) application form.

Alternatively, if you have Limited Leave to Remain and you have retained your old passport, you may travel with both the old and the new passports.

If you have Indefinite Leave to Enter or Remain, you will need to submit an NTL (No Time Limit) application form in order to have your status transferred to a new passport. You are advised to transfer your Indefinite Leave to Remain status into the valid passport before you travel. If you have retained your old passport and you need to travel as a matter of urgency, you may travel with both the old and the new passports. You are advised to submit an NTL application to the Home Office on your return to the UK.

If your passport has been lost or stolen, you need to report this to the Police and include the Police Crime Report and/or Crime Reference Number with your TOC or NTL application.

13. Report an immigration offence

If you know someone is breaking immigration laws, for example by being in the United Kingdom illegally or by employing an illegal immigrant, please write to us at the following address:

UK Border Agency, Evidence & Enquiry, Lunar House, 40 Wellesley Road, Croydon CR9 2BY.

Alternatively you can send the details by e-mail to this address. (You do not need to re-send the information if you have already done so.)

We may not be able to acknowledge your letter or e-mail but we will pass it on to the relevant local immigration team. Where appropriate, they will investigate and take action.

To enable us to send your information quickly to the local immigration team closest to the offence you are reporting, please help us by putting the name of the town or the postcode in the subject line (title) of your e-mail. Please give us as much information as possible about the immigration offence, including names, home and work addresses, to help our investigation.

We treat all personal information as confidential. This means we will not tell the person involved that you contacted us. It also means we will not be able to tell you what was done as a result of your information.

aromulus

11th November 2009, 11:04

Anybody quote this at his/her own peril......:omg:

Alan

11th November 2009, 11:07

Ok Dom - understood.

Mick - can you phone me and tell me this again please? My eyes are not so good after the accident!

Good luck Mick!

Al.:)

el capitan

11th November 2009, 11:26

Thats pretty much the standard automated reply I got from them on another query, to cover yourself, I would also write to them, send the letter recorded delivery, and keep a copy of the letter and postal receipt. They will probably give a proper reply to your email in a couple of days. But you want to make sure you can prove that you have acted correctly, just incase there are complications down the line.

IainBusby

11th November 2009, 12:07

mickcant

11th November 2009, 21:04

Hi Mick,
If you don't get a proper reply from them in a few days then it might be worth trying to tackle it from the Philippines end. Send the same email to ManilaVisaEnquiries.manila@fco.gov.uk , tell them that you've already tried to report this to the UKBA in the UK, but as they issued the visa, perhaps they could deal with it. I only suggest this as a last resort because the British Embassy in Manila are quite good at answering emails and even if it's nothing to do with them anymore, I'm sure they will pass it on to the right department.

Iain.
Thany you Iain and all,
I will give it a few day to see if I get a reply then re post as advised.
soc001007 sugested I could get a divorce for around £300.00 by getting the papers from the court and that if Jennifer was willing to sign to say she had deserted me it would go through fairly easily, but she has said she does not want to divorce at the moment!
I did make it clear to her I would be sending no money to her, but she must be hoping she can claim somehow or I would have thought she would welcome the divorce.
Mick.:Brick:

darren-b

11th November 2009, 21:16

If you read to the bottom of the auto-reply it says

"13. Report an immigration offence

If you know someone is breaking immigration laws, for example by being in the United Kingdom illegally or by employing an illegal immigrant, please write to us at the following address:

UK Border Agency, Evidence & Enquiry, Lunar House, 40 Wellesley Road, Croydon CR9 2BY.

Alternatively you can send the details by e-mail to this address. (You do not need to re-send the information if you have already done so.)

We may not be able to acknowledge your letter or e-mail but we will pass it on to the relevant local immigration team. Where appropriate, they will investigate and take action. "

So it should get to the right place.

mickcant

11th November 2009, 21:26

Thany you Iain and all,
I will give it a few day to see if I get a reply then re post as advised.
soc001007 sugested I could get a divorce for around £300.00 by getting the papers from the court and that if Jennifer was willing to sign to say she had deserted me it would go through fairly easily, but she has said she does not want to divorce at the moment!
I did make it clear to her I would be sending no money to her, but she must be hoping she can claim somehow or I would have thought she would welcome the divorce.
Mick.:Brick:
Hi all,
To add to the divorce issue, I have just found this on a divorce website:
What are the grounds for a divorce?
Irretrievable breakdown of marriage is the only grounds for divorce. You must prove irretrievable breakdown in one of five different ways. These are:
- adultery
- unreasonable behavior (often described as cruelty)
- desertion for two years
- separation for two years where the other party consents
- separation for five years (no consent needed)

So wth the fact that she left me does it seem I have to wait untill she has been gone two years?
If I wantd to divorce now does that mean it woud have to be "unreasonable behavior" and it would need a court case that brought everything out in the open? this sounds as if it could get expensive?
Mick. :furious3::Brick::angry:

mickcant

11th November 2009, 21:31

Scouse

11th November 2009, 21:47

Hi Mick

If you are a trades union member they probably have a free legal help line for anything that is not related to work.

Failing that try the local CAB or if you have a university near where you live see if they have a legal advice clinic. The latter have professional lawyers to advise and the students sit in to learn and do all the 'leg work' if any is needed.

Won't cost anything to find out.

Tawi2

11th November 2009, 22:08

If she doesnt want a divorce at the moment Mick she has probably listened to fourth-hand rumours and fishwives gossip in Pinas that she can claim something,somehow,in reality she is entitled to zip.Dont rush into the divorce Mick,its going to be at your expense,leave her in Limbo,at least that way she cant find and sucker another foreign husband.

socool007

13th November 2009, 22:23

All i did was post the letter then forgot about it.Pants to are wifes:action-smiley-081:

LastViking

13th November 2009, 23:25

Hi all,
To add to the divorce issue, I have just found this on a divorce website:
What are the grounds for a divorce?
Irretrievable breakdown of marriage is the only grounds for divorce. You must prove irretrievable breakdown in one of five different ways. These are:
- adultery
- unreasonable behavior (often described as cruelty)
- desertion for two years
- separation for two years where the other party consents
- separation for five years (no consent needed)

So wth the fact that she left me does it seem I have to wait untill she has been gone two years?
If I wantd to divorce now does that mean it woud have to be "unreasonable behavior" and it would need a court case that brought everything out in the open? this sounds as if it could get expensive?
Mick. :furious3::Brick::angry:
Hi Mick. Claiming a divorce on the grounds of "unreasonable behaviour" doesn't necessarily mean a court hearing unless it is contested. If your ex fails to reply to the case, then I understand it is treated as not contested. Would she be able to afford to instruct solicitors in the UK to argue her case?

Your problem is establishing the grounds for "unreasonable behaviour" which shows that the marriage has irretrievably broken down.

LV

jonathan47

13th November 2009, 23:36

darren-b

14th November 2009, 09:11

mick, to report you ex to the immigration authorites i would suggest faxing and explanation of what has happened to the ECM at manila also make sure you are withdrawing your sponsorship and that the relationship has brokendown

regards
j

To be honest they probably aren't worth involving, as if she tried to apply for another visa at the moment she'd get flagged anyway because of her existing visa/marriage. And if she tried to come to the UK now using her existing visa she wouldn't go near them anyway.

mickcant

18th November 2009, 12:21

Hello all,
I have had no contact with Jennifer for some weeks, I sent her a text about the operations on her younger siblings but she did not reply.
I have had emails from two of her sisters saying they thought she was coming back here, I know nothing about that!
I have now recived this emai about my trying to cancell her visa, it seems to read to me that she would be allowed to return here but after I send the letter she would be refused further leave to remain when the visa expires in
2011. here is the email:
Dear Mr Cant,

Thank you for your enquiry.

Please be advised that if your marriage is no longer subsisting, you should write a letter confirming this, to the following address:

UK Border Agency, NCC3, 9th Floor, Lunar House, 40 Wellesley Road, Croydon, Surrey CR9 2BY.

You should include in your letter confirmation that you can be safely contacted at the address you give, or provide an alternative contact address. Please also provide a telephone number at which you can be safely contacted if necessary and the address of your estranged partner
if you know it.

Where an overseas national has been granted limited leave to enter or remain on the basis of marriage, an application for indefinite leave to remain on that basis will not be granted if the British or settled partner formally makes it clear that they do not support the application.

Yours sincerely,

Umar Saif
Immigration Group
UK Border Agency

Mick.:Brick:

aromulus

18th November 2009, 12:47

I have had emails from two of her sisters saying they thought she was coming back here, I know nothing about that

Due to her Visa she will be allowed to re-enter the country and live and work here legally for the next couple of years.

After the visa expires, she will obviously try to overstay illegally.:doh
Nothing that can be done for now, I reckon...:NoNo:

Northerner

18th November 2009, 12:52

mickcant

21st November 2009, 13:02

Seems to me Mick that once you send that letter, your wife will be stuck in Pinas without a visa and without a divorce to free her up to move on. The perfect revenge perhaps?:Erm:

Perhaps not...

I can tell from your posts that you are still hurting from this incident and dragging this whole thing out is hurting you even more. The fact that she is not available to you by email or text is a classic attempt to seem disinterested and hurting you even more in the process.

I think it is best you moved on and put this woman behind you! but the healing process can take years in some people. I know it did with me some yeas ago.. But I am sure in time the day will come when she does contact you (perhaps for the divorce) and you will be almost immune to the fact it is her contacting you. And I hope that happens soon.

On my recent visit to Pinas I met up with my ex (and I am sure everyone has read my older posts/thread) and made an attempt to put her in contact with her cousins who had been the people who passed on the information to me that she was cheating me. I had long forgiven her and moved on and in some way I guess I wanted to see her face to face and know deep down I felt nothing for her.. And I felt very little for her, except I felt sorry for her. But she strengthened my feelings for Rizza as I knew I had found something far better. A real, loving woman:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Good luck Mick

Hi Northerner,
Yes I am still hurting; she has been in contact yesterday, but more or less to say how hurt she feels!
Remember she was the one who decided to return to the Philippines, as she said to be with her younger siblings until they had their operations.
I have been contacted by two of her sisters and the husband of her elder sister, asking why she returned there, I have drawn up an account of things to keep an accurate record and to take to a solicitor I have made an appointment for one of the free half hour appointments to make clearer to me my options for the 25th November.
I have been to the “Law Centre” and the “Citizens Advice” neither of which could help with any problems from the Philippine front.
This is what I think (learnt from friends here) my options are.
I have obtained a divorce pack from my local court, I can fill this in and send her the form for her to sign (if she would) then I send it to “Her Majesty’s Court Service”
This would need to be for her “Unreasonable Behaviour”
In that she misused £2,000 I paid into her bank account, after already paying all the wedding expenses into the account and them being paid, when I transferred the “2,000
I texted her and emailed her to please not use this money for anything else as it was for our honeymoon, but when there found there was only 4,000 pesos which is around £51.00, she did at least cry about that and said her father needed money for his sister to have an operation.
So that is 1 of the 5 or 6 points needed.
On honeymoon she would not let me cuddle or hold her, saying she needed time to adjust then towards the end of the honeymoon, I said that if we did not make love while we were together when I returned to the UK I would assume she did not want us to be married and seek an annulment on non consummation.
The next morning she said we could make love, which we did but she was then as cold as she was before.
Hopefully that is no 2.
When I returned to the UK, we had filled in the online settlement visa form, I left £2,000 in pesos with her for her trip to Manila for the visa requirements and her air fare here and of course her daily needs, I hoped we would be together in around 3 months.
But as soon as I was on my way home, she left her home in Cagayan De Oro City and disappeared according to her family, I did not hear from her for 4 months, she then told me she had left home as her father was pressuring her for money, but then lost the money in an internet scan trying to make money with an aunt of hers in Manila, and that she was now working in a phone sales shop trying to make the money up.
Hopefully that is no 3.
Some 17 months after the wedding my wife arrived at Heathrow Airport in the UK on 29th September 2009. we arrived back at my home at 2030, She was tired after the journey, and was in bed by 2045, when I went to bed later I saw she was lying fully clothed on top of the bed quilt (I had bought a new bed and thick quilt) I thought it best to leave her as she was asleep,
It turned out she slept fully clothed on top of the quilt every night.
I did of course want to hold her close and kiss her; she would allow that but soon pulled back.
She would not let me get close to her during the 12 days she was here and of course we did not make love.
Hopefully that is no 4.

She then said she needed to go home until her 2 younger siblings had operations they needed, as they were born with no rectums and had colostomy bags, but there is no date arranged for this as her father still could not get his share of the money together, I had already given £3,000 towards the cost at the time of our wedding.
But I then found from her family that she had not gone home but was back working in Manila.

Can that be no 5?

She has said she does not want to divorce, so I dough she will sign it.
I believe if a solicitor is used and they somehow serve her the papers, if she refuses to accept it a judge might proceed without her?

Or does it mean waiting until she has been gone two years or do I have to wait 5 years so that I can divorce her without needing her consent?
Mick.:Brick::Brick:

Tawi2

21st November 2009, 13:09

mickcant

21st November 2009, 13:47

How can she be hurt if your the wronged party?Dont let her twist it mick :NoNo: Just forget her,she has issues,if she wont sign the divorce papers just leave it,it means she is stuck in pinas unable to scam another westerner.
I agree but that does not let me move on, _if_ i did want to meet somone else I am not free either am I?
Mick.:doh:Brick::angry:

bornatbirth

21st November 2009, 13:55

when you give more details about the money you have given her and what she tells you.....you should of stopped with her back then,sadly she as just taken your good will for a ride.

i wont bother talking to to her again,well tell her your getting a divorce and tell her to sign it :xxgrinning--00xx3: