suffering

[cherelyn]

I have been in daily contact with one Philipino friend in Surigao for about one year now and she tells me every day about the shortage of work, food and housing. There is no free medical or dental treatment and I have been asked to help save their lives on several occasions. It is impossible to pay any household bills like water or electricity without any income. I have built one traditional house on the beach and intend to build three more beside and buy some nearby growing land for rice and coconuts. Hopefully this will help some but I have asked those involved not to eat any kind of meat or fish. I am hoping this idea can be extended so that many others can enjoy a safe and happy life without causing suffering to animals.

[Arthur Little]

I have been in daily contact with one Philipino friend in Surigao for about one year now and she tells me every day about the shortage of work, food and housing. There is no free medical or dental treatment and I have been asked to help save their lives on several occasions. It is impossible to pay any household bills like water or electricity without any income. I have built one traditional house on the beach and intend to build three more beside and buy some nearby growing land for rice and coconuts. Hopefully this will help some but I have asked those involved not to eat any kind of meat or fish. I am hoping this idea can be extended so that many others can enjoy a safe and happy life without causing suffering to animals.

You're proposing these people become vegetarian? :rolleyes: I remember my daughter refusing to eat meat as a teenager - not because of an aversion to the meat itself - more in the interests of the animal kingdom, as you are suggesting now. And yes, :iagree: ... up to a point! Health-wise, it's most probably a good :idea: too ... as humans have been "living off the land" since the dawn of time. But then, fish in particular, has accounted for an immeasurable part of the Philippine islanders' staple diet for equally as long ... and is proven to be a vital source of nutrition. :ARsurrender:

[purple]

the suffering that these people have undergone are a matter of choice. I've been living in the Philippines since my birth and refused to be employed offshore because I am trying to live in my principle that with perseverance and hardwork our lives will be elevated. And so far, I am proud to say that I am able to make life happen compare to most filipinos who have to leave their families just to earn a decent living. Not that I am against it. Life is a matter of choice. If you choose to suffer then be it, if you want to have a life that lives in a decent place and eat a decent food, have a better lifestyle, and see/travel the places you want to go then do something about it and not wait for help. I know this sounds sad, but most of my countrymen are so good at blaming others instead of getting up from where they stumble and start from there to way up.

[Les_lady888]

Hopefully this will help some but I have asked those involved not to eat any kind of meat or fish. I am hoping this idea can be extended so that many others can enjoy a safe and happy life without causing suffering to animals.

I think this request for the people in Surigao not to eat meat nor fish is likely to be impossible.:nono-1-1: Life is hard here and people will eat just anything to live and survive ....and as what Sir Arthur has said....fish has always been part of every Filipino's dining table.

[cherelyn]

Thank you for your comments I too have doubts about them becoming vegans. I wanted to form a group of perfect people who did not cause any suffering to any creature. It is just that I can not bear to see or know about any form of cruelty and it is as you say, these people are among the worst in the world when it comes to fishing and even eating dogs that we in the west would consider very cruel, so I do have concerns. I am asked to help with injections for T.B, rabies, malaria, worms etc often for children. But no doubt I will sort it all out soon one way or another. Interesting you can build a house of the traditional type without planning permission or building regulations, it seems the weather is the building inspector, if it ends up in the sea do not blame anybody but yourself. I hope most of all that the locals do not become too westernized. Let us remember the lovely Philipino lady aged only 27 killed in a terrible car cash a few days ago, so upsetting and there is nothing we can do.

[KeithD]

The human digestive system is designed mainly for plants and seafood not meat/animal products. Diets of UgUg male 10,000's of years ago (or 1976 for creationists :rolleyes:) have been proven to consist of solely of fruit/seafood. Meat eating is something that came about due to population growth and design of tools (not the Italian team :D).

[joebloggs]

.. and is proven to be a vital source of nutrition. :ARsurrender:

so vital Arthur i've managed without meat, fish or eggs for near 30yrs :D and i'm ok :Cuckoo::Rasp:

[KeithD]

so vital Arthur i've managed without meat, fish or eggs for near 30yrs :D and i'm ok :Cuckoo::Rasp:
You're a Manc, you have different biology to the human species :D

[Arthur Little]

so vital Arthur i've managed without meat, fish or eggs for near 30yrs :D and i'm ok :Cuckoo::Rasp:

Oh yes ... :gp: ... vegans, vegetarians ... whatever ... DO have a lot going for them in the health *stakes (phonetically, perhaps not the best choice of *word in the circumstances! :icon_lol:). For instance, in February 2008, I ended up on the operating table for emergency surgery to my left carotid artery - which had become clogged-up due [probably] to my habit of preparing much of my food in a deep-fat fryer ... using cooking oil containing animal fats. Plus my cholesterol levels had also "rocketed" and I was in imminent danger of suffering a full-blown stroke :cwm24: - after learning that the 'transient ischaemic attack' I'd experienced earlier had been a warning sign.

So, reluctanty, :bigcry: I was forced to give the offending utensil the old heave-ho, and modify my eating habits forthwith. :doh

[joebloggs]

You're a Manc, you have different biology to the human species :D

yes the master race :rolleyes:

and the scousers are our slaves :icon_lol:

[KeithD]

yes the master race :rolleyes:


So this is really you then?

3931

[joebloggs]

So this is really you then?

3931

:yikes: you promised me you never post my picture :cwm23:

well cats out of the bag, i'll be getting a :cwm3::Cuckoo: off the misses now :cwm24:

[cherelyn]

It may be true that they could find work somewhere but they tell me the wages are very low and it upsets me to know these kind women have to do any work, who wants to work all their lives?

[Pete/London]

It may be true that they could find work somewhere but they tell me the wages are very low and it upsets me to know these kind women have to do any work, who wants to work all their lives?

I am confused by your post.In the first you are saying that there is no work for people to earn money to pay their bills etc and in the post I have quoted you are saying it upsets you that the women have to do any work.
Are you saying that you only want men to work?

You have also stated that you want to form a group in another posting,and you are going into property development, are the two related.

Are you intending to plough all your profits to help the people of Surigao? I may have misunderstood the intention of your post.

[stevie c]

i find this confusing also is this man a modern day saint:Erm:

[aposhark]

I think anyone who has strong beliefs should be applauded for their convictions, but I can't help thinking that trying to persuade Filipinos to stop eating "any kind of meat or fish" is a lost cause :NoNo:

[Steve.r]

Thank you for your comments I too have doubts about them becoming vegans. I wanted to form a group of perfect people who did not cause any suffering to any creature. It is just that I can not bear to see or know about any form of cruelty and it is as you say, these people are among the worst in the world when it comes to fishing and even eating dogs that we in the west would consider very cruel, so I do have concerns. I am asked to help with injections for T.B, rabies, malaria, worms etc often for children. But no doubt I will sort it all out soon one way or another. Interesting you can build a house of the traditional type without planning permission or building regulations, it seems the weather is the building inspector, if it ends up in the sea do not blame anybody but yourself. I hope most of all that the locals do not become too westernized. Let us remember the lovely Philipino lady aged only 27 killed in a terrible car cash a few days ago, so upsetting and there is nothing we can do.

Hmm........ sounds a bit pointless to me. How do you stop pain and suffering to animals when you have street vendors selling baby chicks, dyed blue, pink, red and yellow in tiny woven baskets and sold to the children as toys. They are not fed or watered and often die from being pulled to bits. Good try, but impossible in my opinion.

[CityHunter]

If one wants to end suffering it must start on the basics. Not only does Surigao experience such hardships but there are many parts of the Philippines and the world that suffers like it too. The key is in standing up to one's rights and taking action against those that bring about that suffering.

Not all people will agree to stop eating animals. Take note that even plants have life and if we are to observe your line of thought then we all have to mutate or develop the capability to absorb the energy from our surroundings.

The key is in keeping the balance and not abusing nature.

If you really want to effect even that minute but significant change to end suffering then support the freedom of information bill. Pest your officials to push that into reality. That way those that abuse nature with conniving officials will see the end of their days.

[joebloggs]

I think anyone who has strong beliefs should be applauded for their convictions, but I can't help thinking that trying to persuade Filipinos to stop eating "any kind of meat or fish" is a lost cause :NoNo:

your right there, asking in any restaurant for a meal without meat, fish or eggs you get some :Cuckoo::Rasp::laugher: looks

[KeithD]

your right there, asking in any restaurant for a meal without meat, fish or eggs you get some :Cuckoo::Rasp::laugher: looks

Whn I'm in a restaurant I always order just a bowl of boiled rice ..... that's for the wife though... I have chicken, pork, fish, duck, and chips :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Steve.r]

and chips :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Hmmmm........ meat chips??? never seen them on the menu before, what animal they come from? :icon_lol:

[KeithD]

Hmmmm........ meat chips??? never seen them on the menu before, what animal they come from? :icon_lol:

DUH!!! :doh They grow on trees ;)

[sars_notd_virus]

I have been in daily contact with one Philipino friend in Surigao for about one year now and she tells me every day about the shortage of work, food and housing. There is no free medical or dental treatment and I have been asked to help save their lives on several occasions. It is impossible to pay any household bills like water or electricity without any income. I have built one traditional house on the beach and intend to build three more beside and buy some nearby growing land for rice and coconuts. Hopefully this will help some but I have asked those involved not to eat any kind of meat or fish. I am hoping this idea can be extended so that many others can enjoy a safe and happy life without causing suffering to animals.

hi cherelyn,welcome:Hellooo:
I am not sure if u can avoid the locals not to eat meat (white meat/chicken)good source of protein and is in evry part of the local provinces yards and specially fish ( good source of omega,and is also very healthy)

[Steve.r]

DUH!!! :doh They grow on trees ;)

I'm gonna go hunt me some trees........ chips for tea :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[cherelyn]

Pete, London. It is accepted that there will be work to do growing rice etc but that it would be more kind and better mannered if the men did it unless the women want to. From what i understand it would be possible to continue to buy growing land and build houses for ever so that kind people could have free housing and food but I would not be willing to help those content to kill animals, fish and birds as I also believe such people would kill me, ganun.

[Steve.r]

Pete, London. It is accepted that there will be work to do growing rice etc but that it would be more kind and better mannered if the men did it unless the women want to. From what i understand it would be possible to continue to buy growing land and build houses for ever so that kind people could have free housing and food but I would not be willing to help those content to kill animals, fish and birds as I also believe such people would kill me, ganun.


Hmm... what a lovely thought, but completely unrealistic. From what I have seen and know women play a huge part in rice growing, they spend hours in the fields planting. So do you propose that they stay at home and produce children?
Why do you think you can change a way of life that has existed for hundreds of years? If you have money to burn on trying to convert a community go ahead, but it has already been suggested that you concentrate on lobbying the root cause, and not the effect.
If you give me a home, I will live in it, give me a field I will plant it. If I want to eat meat, I'll eat it. You are 7000 miles away, I could tell you everything you want to hear. :Erm:

[sars_notd_virus]

If you give me a home, I will live in it, give me a field I will plant it. If I want to eat meat, I'll eat it. You are 7000 miles away, I could tell you everything you want to hear. :Erm:

yeah i agree..cant get hold of peoples lives and doings even if you give them money and shelter

[Pete/London]

Pete, London. It is accepted that there will be work to do growing rice etc but that it would be more kind and better mannered if the men did it unless the women want to. From what i understand it would be possible to continue to buy growing land and build houses for ever so that kind people could have free housing and food but I would not be willing to help those content to kill animals, fish and birds as I also believe such people would kill me, ganun.

Families tend to work together on farms and rice growing so you are asking for a change of lifestyle.

Why the carrot and stick approach? you are British and your wife is Malay so why the interest in that part of the P.I.

Would I be right in thinking there might be some religious intent behind it such as,
Quaker, 7 th day Adv, Muslim, Janism etc only I do think the P.I. is oversubscribed to religion.:Erm:

[Steve.r]

Would I be right in thinking there might be some religious intent behind it

NOOOOOOO.............dont mention the 'R' word. Apo' will be here in a minute :icon_lol:

[Ladybug_sim]

:NoNo: People has different outlook in life whatever you do to them to keep not to get suffer as long as they use on it you cant control them.. It is not all the time you keep on watch or give things they want .. how we wish that somebody can manages but we only human and we can do what we can do yes, we can help them but not all the time coz we have our life to think too.. they are not the only people suffer we mostly feel on it but it is life to go to live and survive.. dont think me wrong that even we can say that we suffer or cant eat but we still can do smile to everyone :)

[cherelyn]

I am not trying to convert anybody and foreigners can not own land in the philippines so no gain there and I do not believe in God. It may well be the case that I pull out and let the children die.

[Ladybug_sim]

Well, you have your own belief and go with it. I know it is the things that can make you happy.. You have a kind heart to look the people suffer and you help them of what you can do but as what I am said that we are human and as a human we are not satisfy of what we have and what we do .. but it is good to think for a simple way in life to eat three times a day even rice and fish as we use on it or even veges as long as we are together with the family we love... good for you that you think what is best just say good luck for your quest :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Steve.r]

I am not trying to convert anybody and foreigners can not own land in the philippines so no gain there and I do not believe in God. It may well be the case that I pull out and let the children die.
So be it, you are not responsible, sad but true

[Sim11UK]

Why will the children die? Families will just carry on as they always have.
I'm sure you have good intentions, but you wont be "saving" them.

[Pete/London]

I am not trying to convert anybody and foreigners can not own land in the philippines so no gain there and I do not believe in God. It may well be the case that I pull out and let the children die.

I am just puzzled that you want to help the people and save their children but only on your terms.

[KeithD]

Start by handing out condoms and teaching them how NOT to have kids, that'll save lives :rolleyes:

[aromulus]

From what i understand it would be possible to continue to buy growing land and build houses for ever so that kind people could have free housing and food but I would not be willing to help those content to kill animals, fish and birds as I also believe such people would kill me, ganun.

Excuse meeeeeeeeeee.....:rolleyes:

Are you on the same planet as the rest of us...??:Erm:

Where do you get those ideas from...???:Erm:

It seems to me that you may be in need of some kind of proper directions.:doh

You are implying that because I go fishing for food, or kill and dress the odd pheasant, helped in the past to butcher pigs, cattle and sheep, It makes me by default a killer of humans...???:Erm:
I take offense to that....:cwm23:

If you want to help poorer people than yourself, I find it very commendable, great and honorable, but don't put silly rules and covenants where there should be none.:NoNo:
Are you sure that you are not just wanting to have some kind of hold or power over them...?:Erm:
It looks that way, to me. Do as I say or... :censored: off.....:cwm24:

Are you religious at all...??? If so, read your bible again....

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
(Mike, Keith, Bab, and all other atheists, this ain't a religious thread... I will find you one later....:D)

[aromulus]

It may well be the case that I pull out and let the children die.

:Erm::Erm::Erm:

Definitively from a different planet in another solar system....:crazy:

:doh

[Arthur Little]

[SIZE=4]Are you religious at all...???





:NoNo: ... says he doesn't believe in God!

[joebloggs]

[SIZE=4]Are you on the same planet as the rest of us...??:Erm:


You are implying that because I go fishing for food, or kill and dress the odd pheasant, helped in the past to butcher pigs, cattle and sheep, It makes me by default a killer of humans...???:Erm:
I take offense to that....:cwm23:







:Erm::Erm::Erm:

Definitively from a different planet in another solar system....:crazy:

:doh

you sound like my sister dom :D

i think you are more likely to be a killer then veggy me.. :rolleyes:

killing poor defenceless animals :cwm24:
how could you :NoNo:
why dont you go and pick on a croc or a lion :rolleyes:

[Steve.r]

why dont you go and pick on a croc or a lion :rolleyes:

Yeah, but they only taste like chicken Joe :icon_lol:

[joebloggs]

Yeah, but they only taste like chicken Joe :icon_lol:

more like chicken dom :xxgrinning--00xx3: poor little fluffy cute piglet and lamb :cwm24::cwm3:

[aromulus]

more like chicken dom :xxgrinning--00xx3: poor little fluffy cute piglet and lamb :cwm24::cwm3:

They are the reason why we were given apple and mint sauce....:D

[KeithD]

Nothing wrong with slaughtering a sheep so it doesn't tell :sheep: :cwm24:

[Steve.r]

:sheep: :cwm24:

I like sheep.......... but you have to get them on their back to kiss them properly :Rasp:

[bornatbirth]

bit of a odd thread, god , children starving, veggies and sheep :Erm:

maybe a law only allowing children you can afford to look after will help :xxgrinning--00xx3:

if your going to build anyone a house can you build me one :D

[fred]

I have been in daily contact with one Philipino friend in Surigao for about one year now and she tells me every day about the shortage of work, food and housing. There is no free medical or dental treatment and I have been asked to help save their lives on several occasions. It is impossible to pay any household bills like water or electricity without any income. I have built one traditional house on the beach and intend to build three more beside and buy some nearby growing land for rice and coconuts. Hopefully this will help some but I have asked those involved not to eat any kind of meat or fish. I am hoping this idea can be extended so that many others can enjoy a safe and happy life without causing suffering to animals.

Do you know how many pigs will be inhumanely slaughtered every time you send rice field money? (Lechon for good luck)....Or how many chickens slaughtered to bless each foundation post of your proposed housing project?
Did you know that a goat has its throat cut every time a new fishing boat is launched for good luck?


I think your "friend in Surigao" is a scammer..By the looks of it a good one.
Either that or this thread is just another wind up!!:NoNo:

[aposhark]

Excuse meeeeeeeeeee.....:rolleyes:

Are you on the same planet as the rest of us...??:Erm:

Where do you get those ideas from...???:Erm:

It seems to me that you may be in need of some kind of proper directions.:doh

You are implying that because I go fishing for food, or kill and dress the odd pheasant, helped in the past to butcher pigs, cattle and sheep, It makes me by default a killer of humans...???:Erm:
I take offense to that....:cwm23:

If you want to help poorer people than yourself, I find it very commendable, great and honorable, but don't put silly rules and covenants where there should be none.:NoNo:
Are you sure that you are not just wanting to have some kind of hold or power over them...?:Erm:
It looks that way, to me. Do as I say or... :censored: off.....:cwm24:

Are you religious at all...??? If so, read your bible again....

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
(Mike, Keith, Bab, and all other atheists, this ain't a religious thread... I will find you one later....:D)






Thanks Dom :)
I think we all need a rest after the last religious thread :yikes:

[aposhark]

you sound like my sister dom :D

i think you are more likely to be a killer then veggy me.. :rolleyes:

killing poor defenceless animals :cwm24:
how could you :NoNo:
why dont you go and pick on a croc or a lion :rolleyes:

My Asawa told me she had bought a lion steak in the supermarket a few weeks ago.
I was horrified but felt so relieved and happy to see it was a loin steak :cwm24: :icon_lol:

[keithAngel]

We could keep playing along after all we are all virtual :icon_lol:

[Les_lady888]

My Asawa told me she had bought a lion steak in the supermarket a few weeks ago.
I was horrified but felt so relieved and happy to see it was a loin steak

that was funny!:icon_lol::icon_lol:but isn't it LION and LOIN are pronounced differently?:Erm:

[-sillybilly-]

that was funny!:icon_lol::icon_lol:but isn't it LION and LION are pronounced differently?:Erm:

:icon_lol::icon_lol:
Would you eat a lion steak thoug?:icon_lol::icon_lol:

[KeithD]

Would you eat a lion steak though?
Not sure I could handle the splinters :Erm:

[Les_lady888]

:icon_lol::icon_lol:
Would you eat a lion steak thoug?:icon_lol::icon_lol:

Hmmm maybe lol if it tastes good why not? :xxgrinning--00xx3:
I have tried eating fried snake meatball but me not knowing it was a snake meat :NoNo:...but I'd say it tasted hot and spicy and good!:xxgrinning--00xx3:...but never had a chance to taste it again....don't think I would want to again though.

[fred]

I had a whole bowl of spicy dog meat pollutan once but had no idea at the time..
Best drinking dish I have ever sampled..
I can understand why it used to be so popular here.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[cherelyn]

Pete, I am sure there would be many who would rightly call me a fool if as an animal rights, such as they are, supporter I helped those who ate meat. To answer the other gentleman's question, I am not religious nor do I have a hidden agenda or hope to gain anything.

[Pete/London]

Pete, I am sure there would be many who would rightly call me a fool if as an animal rights, such as they are, supporter I helped those who ate meat. To answer the other gentleman's question, I am not religious nor do I have a hidden agenda or hope to gain anything.

I think you would be more suited to a place i have visited a few times in India and falls in line with your way of thinking, Rishikesh. Total ban on anything non vegetarian :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

I have tried eating fried snake meatball but me not knowing it was a snake meat :NoNo:...but I'd say it tasted hot and spicy and good!:xxgrinning--00xx3:...but never had a chance to taste it again....don't think I would want to again though.

During my second visit to the Phils, my wife's niece's husband invited me to partake of some python meat ... which I politely declined. :nono-1-1:

[cherelyn]

I have read in a newspaper that some poor women from the Philippines go abroad to work but are treated badly and commit suicide. I find this upsetting and how can it be stopped?

[KeithD]

1,000's are treated badly. Nothing you can do, it is part of being human to treat others as though they are a lesser life form.

[Pete/London]

I have read in a newspaper that some poor women from the Philippines go abroad to work but are treated badly and commit suicide. I find this upsetting and how can it be stopped?

There are some good stories, yesterday a Filipino in Singapore was left £3m and a luxury apartment by her boss.

We have friends here who have been allowed to live rent free in a £1.5m house for as long as they want as a thank you for looking after the owners father until he died last year.