Shrine to Raoul Moat

[les_taxi]

What the bloody hell is wrong with people?! a bloody shrine to that murdering ******* :censored:?! how thick are people? try havin your loved ones taken away from you by a thick, shotgun toting arsehole and see how you like that! ****in muppets! at least we wont have to pay to keep him in jail!:cwm23:

[KeithD]

Well people still support Hitler :erotic4:

[Steve.r]

KUM-BY-YAA MY LORD KUM - BY YAA ........... Oops!! wrong thread :doh

Idiots!!!! :xxaction-smiley-047

[Dedworth]

Morons tacky "shrines" :angry: - the one that got me locally was at a lamp post on a busy A road. About 3 years ago a piece of trash in a stolen car tried to outrun pursuing Police, thankfully it was in the middle of the night and he didn't harm any other road users.

Even more thankfully he ploughed into the lamp post and saved us all a lot of Police/Court/Jail costs :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[bornatbirth]

he was misunderstood and all alone, c'mon give him a break :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[KeithD]

he was misunderstood and all alone, c'mon give him a break :xxgrinning--00xx3:

...and he didn't mean to seriously injured his ex ... he just shot her twice to make sure she wasn't seriously injured :Erm:

[walesrob]

he was misunderstood and all alone, c'mon give him a break :xxgrinning--00xx3:

New age liberal rubbish. I'd say shoot the Liberals :Erm:

[johncar54]

Who is Chris Brown ?

Answer; The guy Moat killed.

[bornatbirth]

so when he left prison did anyone check he was fit to leave?

are you aware how many people get released without any kind out checks?

[johncar54]

so when he left prison did anyone check he was fit to leave?

are you aware how many people get released without any kind out checks?

What are you saying? That a person who has served their sentence should be subjected to some type of pre-release test ? A kind of double jeopardy. And that maybe someone (who) would then be able to extend their sentence? I think you might get some opposition the that one.

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Question: Who is Chris Brown ?

Answer; The guy Moat killed.

[KeithD]

As they are all let out early they are supposed to be subject to pre-release checks ... although knowing this country that has probably been trimmed down just to making sure they don't have long toe nails :doh

[bornatbirth]

What are you saying? That a person who has served their sentence should be subjected to some type of pre-release test ? A kind of double jeopardy. And that maybe someone (who) would then be able to extend their sentence? I think you might get some opposition the that one.

im saying that when a prisoner whos about to get released, goes through a process to see that hes fit to survive in the real world.

like where will they live and their home life, how will they get money etc.....:xxgrinning--00xx3:

they get released without any kind of help or support, why do you think so many reoffend?

[KeithD]

.....why do you think so many reoffend?

Because they are pathetic morons who shouldn't be in society full stop :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[johncar54]

Quote why do you think so many reoffend?

Probably for the same reason they offended previously and thus (eventually) got themselves locked up the last time !

[Dedworth]

Because they are pathetic morons who shouldn't be in society full stop :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:xxgrinning--00xx3::gp: - A another reason why we need Singapore style penalties and prisons

[johncar54]

QUOTE:-

Prisoners preparing for release

A prisoner may be asked to attend groups or courses to help them with any behaviour problems they may have, such as alcohol or drug abuse, gambling, financial pressures, depression, aggression or lack of temper control, or sexual matters.

Thus it would appear the pre-release program is solely to assist the prisoner not to assess their suitability to be released.

Pleased (I know you will) correct me if I am wrong.

[bornatbirth]

:xxgrinning--00xx3::gp: - A another reason why we need Singapore style penalties and prisons

dear me :bigcry:

if you had a look at someones life and thought they had a crap childhood and adult life, would you be surpised if they broke the law :Erm:

making a prison a tougher wont stop it?

[johncar54]

dear me :bigcry:

if you had a look at someones life and thought they had a crap childhood and adult life, would you be surpised if they broke the law :Erm:

making a prison a tougher wont stop it?



I had a pretty tough, poor childhood, brought up in a bad area of London. Maybe thats why I became a police officer and served the public and why for the past 15 years I have been a voluntary translator assisting people in Spain, OR maybe it was because I was taught the difference between right and wrong and to respect others !!

[KeithD]

If you are not a child then you are responsible for your own actions regardless of your upbringing. You'll find entrepreneurs who were sexually abused and beaten as a child doing very well in life. You can't commit crime on blame it on anything else other than yourself.

[Dedworth]

dear me :bigcry:

if you had a look at someones life and thought they had a crap childhood and adult life, would you be surpised if they broke the law :Erm:

making a prison a tougher wont stop it?

The vast majority of people from poor, broken, disturbed backgrounds choose to obey the law and not become killers.

Making prisons harsher discourages repeat offending. Like I said in another thread if Moat had been in Singapore he would still be in jail now unable to sit down from the thrashing he was given as part of his punishment for assault. He would be facing ample time in jail to realise the error of his ways and the futility of breaking the law.

[bornatbirth]

but it doesnt help does it?

i have worked with many exprisoners and most have the same background, if people had a better life less crime will be committed!

[KeithD]

..... if people had a better life less crime will be committed!

That argument is a dead duck .... We have a massively better standard of living now than 30+ years ago, and yet have more crime than ever. Crime like drugs & alcohol, is a lifestyle choice not a necessity.

[johncar54]

but it doesnt help does it?

i have worked with many exprisoners and most have the same background, if people had a better life less crime will be committed!

I have many years police experience dealing with law breakers and their victims. I agree with Keith.

[les_taxi]

They are lucky me and Dedworth are not in charge:D

My prisons would be hell-holes,you would dread my prisons.

You would sleep on cold slabs,no blankets,be fed rotten food,chain gang break rock up style,no tv's,playstations etc.

A weekly round up of the hard times endured would be broadcast on all tv channels at peak time showing you how you will suffer in prison.

So you know the consequences of ending up in jail and you aint gonna want to be there:omg:

Answer don't commit the bloody crimes and you won't end up there.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[bornatbirth]

what if you was a oap and refused to pay your council tax?

[KeithD]

You would sleep on cold slabs,no blankets,be fed rotten food,chain gang break rock up style,no tv's,playstations etc.
A bit like a Phillipine hotel then :laugher:


what if you was a oap and refused to pay your council tax?
Crime need to be recatagorised for such things, with non-custodial sentences for things like that, but they must do community service at minimum wage to make up the costs...obviously they don't actually get any money ... or the bailiffs got the house.

[les_taxi]

what if you was a oap and refused to pay your council tax?

No that would not apply,I would not consider you a hardened criminal just someone struggling to pay a bill.

[stevie c]

what did you think of gazzas invovlvement apparently he couldnt remember moats name totally out of it & out of his mind by all accounts they say gazza didnt know he from adam strange:Erm:

[Arthur Little]

i have worked with many exprisoners

:Erm: ... since you mention it ... what IS your line of work? :rolleyes:

[Pete/London]

what did you think of gazzas invovlvement apparently he couldnt remember moats name totally out of it & out of his mind by all accounts they say gazza didnt know he from adam strange:Erm:

I must be like Gazza, who is Adam Strange:Erm:

[stevie c]

HI arthur my line of work is in waste management so talking about trash thats what moat is oh sorry was

[stevie c]

its a saying didnt know him from adam you never heard of that phrase:Erm:

[bornatbirth]

:Erm: ... since you mention it ... what IS your line of work? :rolleyes:

i used to work in bail hostels or approved premises as they are now known and yes some of them were full of sex offenders and others little yobs but most was a mixture of crime committed and prison in the uk doesnt work, it just makes them worse!

[les_taxi]

i used to work in bail hostels or approved premises as they are now known and yes some of them were full of sex offenders and others little yobs but most was a mixture of crime committed and prison in the uk doesnt work, it just makes them worse!

Not if my prisons were in operation:D

[bornatbirth]

to someone who breaks the law, going to prison is just annoying and doesnt stop them?

[stevie c]

then what do you suggest we do with them put them in a chain gang we have to punish them somehow:Erm:

[KeithD]

Prisons can make them worse all they want ... but as long as they are in it they can't annoy us .... well unless it's a mafia boss :cwm24:

[stevie c]

Im a strong believer of an eye for eye as they say if you cant do the time dont do the crime

[les_taxi]

to someone who breaks the law, going to prison is just annoying and doesnt stop them?

:icon_lol:It would not annoy them if they were going to really tough prisons,it would scare the crap out of them and unless they want a life of hell they would not be likely to re-offend:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevie c]

to right & put them in solitary confinement if they are for serious crimes or throw away the key

[les_taxi]

to right & put them in solitary confinement if they are for serious crimes or throw away the key

If they re-offend they would be moved into the 2nd section which would be even nastier than the first.

[stevie c]

wouldnt want you as my prison governer you have me running scared already :icon_lol: seriously though i couldnt agree with you more:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[les_taxi]

wouldnt want you as my prison governer you have me running scared already :icon_lol: seriously though i couldnt agree with you more:xxgrinning--00xx3:

I'm nice really :)

[stevie c]

yes just not as a prison governer:icon_lol:

[bornatbirth]

If they re-offend they would be moved into the 2nd section which would be even nastier than the first.

put him in a cell with a very tampo filipina :D

[les_taxi]

put him in a cell with a very tampo filipina :D

At a certain time of month too:icon_lol:

[Dedworth]

They are lucky me and Dedworth are not in charge:D

My prisons would be hell-holes,you would dread my prisons.

You would sleep on cold slabs,no blankets,be fed rotten food,chain gang break rock up style,no tv's,playstations etc.

A weekly round up of the hard times endured would be broadcast on all tv channels at peak time showing you how you will suffer in prison.

So you know the consequences of ending up in jail and you aint gonna want to be there:omg:

Answer don't commit the bloody crimes and you won't end up there.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

We had better form a company Les and get our names on the tender list for the next prison privatisation contracts.

Another cost saving option would be to outsource the prisons to the Chinese, the cost of keeping a convict out there is say a 20th of what it is here. Ten times as many vermin could then be jailed and the Govt gets to save hundreds of millions £'s:Bouncy: The Chinese are well versed in running hell hole type prisons

[stevewool]

its a saying didnt know him from adam you never heard of that phrase:Erm:

adam and eve yes and adam chance from crossroads too, adam ant tsnad and deliver but dont know the other adam

[stevie c]

how about adam ant:icon_lol:

[stevewool]

the trouble is whos realy bothered till its one of there own, the man looked a big head and meet his death the way he lived good riddence to him and any other person that makes the mistake and kills themself, feel sorry for the poor people that he distroyed along the way, why talk to someone that has shot at people and are going to point a gun at you , just say it once put down the gun if not shot him him dead simples as the meerkat says :Cuckoo:

[KeithD]

We don't need prisons .... just send them to live in Birmingham :D

[stevewool]

how about adam ant:icon_lol:

thats charming, prince

[stevie c]

he is a dandy highwayman :icon_lol:

[les_taxi]

the trouble is whos realy bothered till its one of there own, the man looked a big head and meet his death the way he lived good riddence to him and any other person that makes the mistake and kills themself, feel sorry for the poor people that he distroyed along the way, why talk to someone that has shot at people and are going to point a gun at you , just say it once put down the gun if not shot him him dead simples as the meerkat says :Cuckoo:

Yes Steve thats the way I feel,once the guy was cornered I would have said 10 secs to drop weapon or its game over we will shoot to kill.

Either way conflict resolved:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Pete/London]

adam and eve yes and adam chance from crossroads too, adam ant tsnad and deliver but dont know the other adam

It was the Strange bit on the end that threw me:Erm:

[jimeve]

I already know Eve :icon_lol:

[Dedworth]

what did you think of gazzas invovlvement apparently he couldnt remember moats name totally out of it & out of his mind by all accounts they say gazza didnt know he from adam strange:Erm:

For those who've not heard his pissed ramblings :D

Moaty, it's Gazza! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exUeea4FhQE

[KeithD]

I think the guys body should be hung from a lampost and left there as a tourist attraction.

[belfast_dude]

shrines r for heroes...not idiot steroid taking killers....it is a joke...soon he will be forgotten...and gone.....and he deserves to be forgotten...

[KeithD]

...idiot steroid taking killers...

Well you got me on the first 2 points, but I haven't got around to the last one yet :rolleyes:

[joebloggs]

New age liberal rubbish. I'd say shoot the Liberals :Erm:

talking about Liberals,
liberal party will be gone for another 100yrs soon :icon_lol: signed their own death warrant jumping in bed with the tories :icon_lol:

LIVERPOOL’S Liberal Democrat leader Warren Bradley has warned his party faces being wiped out by Labour in the North, due to its coalition with the Tories.

He told the Daily Post he fears the party could be completely eradicated within five years.

Cllr Bradley said a number of the 37 Lib-Dems on the city council were among thousands now considering their membership of the party.

He spoke out after the coalition pulled the plug on Building Schools for the Future, which would have delivered 26 new secondary schools in Liverpool.

[johncar54]

How about something to remember Chris Brown.

Chris who ????

[KeithD]

I found a shrine to the guy in our village before .... or it may have just been a dog turd :rolleyes:

[johncar54]

How about something to remember Chris Brown.

Chris who ????

And David Rathband, who was shot at point blank range in the face, loosing both eyes and then again in the back as he turned away from the shot gun which he could not see but heard.

Yes Moat is a real hero !

[stevewool]

todays news is tomorrows chip papper, there are so many losers in this world who needs someone to be there hero, i look in the mirror and see myself and my family they are my heros, i dont have time to read and look at the news about these daft sods

[Dedworth]

Cameron speaks out

Speaking during Prime Minister's Question Time, Mr Cameron said: "It is absolutely clear that Raoul Moat was a callous murderer, full stop, end of story.

"I cannot understand any wave, however small, of public sympathy for this man.

"There should be sympathy for his victims and the havoc he wreaked in that community.

"There should be no sympathy for him."

Hear hear :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[somebody]

Cameron speaks out

Speaking during Prime Minister's Question Time, Mr Cameron said: "It is absolutely clear that Raoul Moat was a callous murderer, full stop, end of story.

"I cannot understand any wave, however small, of public sympathy for this man.

"There should be sympathy for his victims and the havoc he wreaked in that community.

"There should be no sympathy for him."

Hear hear :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Word not interested in this party better than the other. But it was refreshing to hear someone say what the majority im sure left and right felt on this particular subject..

[pennybarry]

I don't even understand why they gave food instead of poison!:NoNo::D

[KeithD]

I don't even understand why they gave food instead of poison!:NoNo::D

Pretty close to poison if it was from a fast food restaurant :laugher:

[les_taxi]

Keith can we close this thread on this mudering ******* now,Im sick of hearing the tossers name and annoyed that facebook have a tribute page:cwm23:

[KeithD]

Dead ****** ;)

[raynaputi]

facebook have a tribute page of this killer?! :yikes::doh

[KeithD]

You can ask him to be your Friend.... but for some reason he's not replying :Erm:

[raynaputi]

hahaha!