Do you believe in Aliens/UFOs?

[gecko_pikachu]

I want to hear the best answer please :)

[KeithD]

I want to hear the best answer please :)

I'll really have to shout then your 80 miles away :D

[walesrob]

They don't exist. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Unless you live in Wales, plenty of alien like creatures speaking in funny code and interfering with the local sheep. I believe they are called Wales-folk and the language is called Welsh. They spit a lot when speaking. :Help1:

[raynaputi]

You want to see an alien? Just contact the ADMIN..he's an alien!!!:omg::icon_lol:

[KeithD]

You want to see an alien? Just contact the ADMIN..he's an alien!!!:omg::icon_lol:

:8_1_215: <<< Looks like someone whose waxing went wrong :D

[raynaputi]

:8_1_215: <<< Looks like someone whose waxing went wrong :D

Hahahahahahahahahahahhahaha...you posted something i find so funny for the first time!!!!:laughitupsmilie::laugher:

[bornatbirth]

i am a believer, i saw bright lights and was probed...well i was drunk before i went into the gay club :action-smiley-081: :omg:

i like to think bigfoot, ghosts, area 51 and ufo's exist :Erm:

[mikey73]

they seem to have a lot of U.F.O sightings around the fife area, not sure if they are real or if there is something in the water there (maybe whisky).

[Northerner]

No, don't think aliens are visiting us. But I do think life exists beyond our tiny planet..

[Steve.r]

I saw some strange lights in the sky once, it gave me the willies and I ran home as fast as I could.

[nigel]

I don't believe these people who say they've seen aliens...they wouldn't come all this way..have a quick peek...and then fly back surely?:icon_lol: They would stop for a cup of tea surely? They would ask the ingredients for chicken adobo surely?:icon_lol:


Telepathy is REAL.
Law of gravity is REAL. (obviously)
Hypnosis is REAL.
Law of attraction is REAL.
Static electricity is REAL.

Aliens? I doubt it...but this story was very convincing!

VWah_PX7WRE

[jimeve]

There are aliens out there, but too far a distance to travel for them to get here.

that's life Jim, not as we know it...:huepfen024:

[KeithD]

:crazy: We're the aliens here.

[sars_notd_virus]

uhmmmmmm Aliens???:Erm:

I think We R Not Alone

:icon_eek::Bolt:

[jimeve]

When I go to Philippines I'm an Alien :Erm:

[stevewool]

i saw a u f o once

[Steve.r]

I'VE SEEN LOTS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS .............. DO THEY COUNT? :xxaction-smiley-047

[stevewool]

:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

[gecko_pikachu]

My husband said:

"Humans are not alone, not even on their own world as we are being watched and studied just the same way humans go to the depths of the oceans and into space to search out mysteries and life".

The ancients knew all about the star-people as they built ancient structures around the globe to prove of their technology and to guarantee for their return which won't be long as humans will move to the next level from what they are now-- a lost species that doesn't know about their own spiritual awareness and what they can be. :)

[Jamesey]

The Universe is so big that there is bound to be intelligent life out there somewhere. But I don't believe they've ever visited us here on Earth.

[KeithD]

The Universe is so big that there is bound to be intelligent life out there somewhere. But I don't believe they've ever visited us here on Earth.

They could if they travelled through a black hole .... you'll find one between Dom's ears :Cuckoo:

[Steve.r]

They could if they travelled through a black hole .... you'll find one between Dom's ears :Cuckoo:
Does that mean that he has a distorted view of both time and space :crazy::icon_lol:

[KeithD]

Stephen Hawking's wants to probe :action-smiley-081: him :hubbahubba:

[Sim11UK]

My mate left me a message on my phone the other day, saying they are here. :omg:
He said have a look at Edgar Mitchell, Kerrang interview on youtube, the 6th man to walk on the moon.

Mind you, he's off his 'ead. :Cuckoo:

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[JimOttley]

Either life is extremely unlikely, in which case we are alone and there are no Aliens, or it's not that hard for life to start under the right conditions, in which case there is probably quite a lot of life in the Universe.

Intelligent sentient life is another matter, even if life is common it is still unlikely that there are a large number of worlds that are home to self aware beings.

Sentient life capable of developing a technological society? Probably very few indeed.

Sentient technologically capable life forms that manage to survive their development of technology and it's consequences (war, climate change etc.)? Well that's still an open question even for us.

Any society that developed a transportation technology that could reach even a modest fraction of the speed of light say 1/3 to 1/2 the speed of light would be able to colonize the entire galaxy in about 200,000 to 300,000 years assuming there is a reasonable density of planets similar to their home that could sustain them.

So if such a society already existed then they would very likely have reached us already and we would be extinct already. Diaspora is not a civilized altruistic nice game of exploration, it's a land grab, survival of the fittest, you don't invest in interstellar travel just to go and be tourists, the journey simply takes too long and costs too much. It's a one way ticket for the colonists and they won't give a :censored: if the target solar system is already occupied.

Life anywhere else is going to be driven by the same imperatives that drive life here, survive, mate, reproduce! That's it, the life forms that are good at it survive to continue the battle, the weak ones die or maybe get turned into cattle if they happen to be tasty or good for something in some other way.

So where are all the Aliens?

Have we heard anything in 40 years of listening?

Nothing, not even a stray radio program or episode of "Lost in the Darkness" or "Not the 27 o'clock News" or "My part in Zyklovnitokolish's downfall".

So it's really sad, no Alien sitcoms or soaps, I'm telling you, if there is anyone out there, then we are going to be really popular as providers of free entertainment.

So no, we don't have Aliens amongst us and we should be really thankful for that.


Jim

[JimOttley]

My mate left me a message on my phone the other day, saying they are here. :omg:
He said have a look at Edgar Mitchell, Kerrang interview on youtube, the 6th man to walk on the moon.

Mind you, he's off his 'ead. :Cuckoo:


Well, he's a pilot and the only professional pilot that I know personally is also a fruitcake.

Plenty of the guys who walked on the moon had and have pretty strange beliefs, there is a myth surrounding Nasa and the moon landings that it was all so clinical and ultra scientific.

Most of the guys were just extremely good pilots, that's why they were up there. Neil Armstrong got the job as pilot of the Apollo 11 lunar lander because his reactions were utterly superb, he survived a failure of a test rig for the lander and ejected just moments before it hit the ground.

They were extremely motivated to show the outward "Right Stuff" persona because they loved flying and the idea of going to the moon was exciting but they were human beings and it must have been pretty awesome to actually experience what they experienced, it's hardly surprising that it affected them deeply, many came back changed.

Jim

[gecko_pikachu]

There is life out there. And that life co exist here alongside humans.

Human eyesight only sees 2% of the light spectrum, the other 98% anything could exists in that light spectrum. Humans live in a world where they think that everything they touch, smell, taste and total human experience and interaction is made up of atomic structure (ie, solid matter). When atom and atomic structure are not a solid substance, it is only human perception in their limited belief system that is downloaded into them from life experience that makes human activity limited and bound to this prison planet.

As we are to look for life out there in the vastness of space, we must accept life will not only look like us. Most of it will be beyond all comprehension (ie. no need for space craft or any type of technology to go from A to B). You must remember that you yourselves are not defined by your physical presence only the life force that remains within until it is released back to the source. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[James Hubbard]

Aliens? Yes :D

when i was renewing my visa every time in dumaguete, i got a stamp on my visa saying that the "Alien control officer" would allow me to remain in the country ...

so to the Filipinos

I AM AN ALIEN!!!!

So then gecko, since you're here, it makes you one :D hehe


UFO's?

Hmmm ...

Ugly Fried Onions?
Uncouth Filipino Orphans?
Ulcerated Filthy Octogenarians?
Unrelenting Fantastic Org:do_it:m?

Hmmm, I believe in lots of different types of UFO's! :D

Can we be specific ? :icon_lol::icon_lol:

[JimOttley]

There is life out there. And that life co exist here alongside humans.

Human eyesight only sees 2% of the light spectrum, the other 98% anything could exists in that light spectrum. Humans live in a world where they think that everything they touch, smell, taste and total human experience and interaction is made up of atomic structure (ie, solid matter). When atom and atomic structure are not a solid substance, it is only human perception in their limited belief system that is downloaded into them from life experience that makes human activity limited and bound to this prison planet.

As we are to look for life out there in the vastness of space, we must accept life will not only look like us. Most of it will be beyond all comprehension (ie. no need for space craft or any type of technology to go from A to B). You must remember that you yourselves are not defined by your physical presence only the life force that remains within until it is released back to the source. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Hi Gecko, I don't need to see, with my own eyes, the other 98% of the electromagnetic spectrum, I have technology for that and that technology is pretty good at seeing that other 98%, there's no evidence of any other life in that other 98% !

What I mean is the electromagnetic spectrum is simply ALL forms of light, it's all the same stuff namely Photons. We see because Photons are absorbed and re-emitted by matter under the second law of thermodynamics.

All of our meaningful experience of the world is communicated to us via two forces, Gravity and Electromagnetism, almost all of our technology is based on the Electromagnetic force, the only exception is nuclear technology which is based on the Weak and to some extent the Strong force, everything else, all of Chemistry and day to day mechanics, is Quantum Electrodynamics and Gravity.

Chemistry and "Life" by direct descent are emergent properties of the four fundamental forces. The matter, "stuff", we are made of is governed by all four forces and the Strong force which governs the internal properties of atoms is indirectly responsible for the existence of atoms in the first place, you need the charge on the protons in the nucleus to balance the charge on the electrons so the nucleus and the strong force make possible the electronic (arrangement of electrons) around atoms in the first place.

So the Strong force arranges the nucleus while the electromagnetic force is expressed in it's carrier particle the Photon, and Gravity affects everything in ways we cannot fully explain but for which we have extraordinarily accurate equations (Einstein's General theory of Relativity).

The reason that complex life forms like us can arise in the first place is that the four forces together allow for complex arrangements of electrons surrounding the nuclei of atoms, it is the complexity of electron configuration that allows for the interaction of one chemical element with another, it's called Chemistry.

We know of nothing else in the realm of the four forces that is sufficiently complex to support the amount of information present in living organisms. Any self replicating system is going to be complex, a self aware self replicating system is going to be extremely complex and is going to need an environment that is capable of supporting that complexity.

The Sci-Fi idea's of energy beings that exist in some kind of ghostly version of space and time are nonsense, energy in that sense is electromagnetic radiation and it all travels at the same speed 300,000 kilometres per second, not much chance for something made of that kind of stuff to hang around anywhere for any length of time?

Other types of Ghostly matter? Ok Neutrinos, these are perfect candiates for Ghosts they are the single most abundent particle in the Universe and they interact with almost nothing, the Sun, our local star, spews out trillions of billions of trillions of them every second and they pass right through the earth without touching anything as if we were not there, but these things are fundamental particles they have no chemistry they do some very basic things and it is extremely hard to see how they could carry enough information to support a life form.

This is a long post already, probably too long, so I will draw it to a close. What I am trying to say is there is no game in town except matter, "stuff", like everything you see around you every day, yes there are other ghostly things that science knows about but all of it is too simplistic to support the level of complexity of things that we call life.

For life you need matter and you probably need Carbon based life sa it is the only element that seems to support the required complexity. Silicon life? Why did it not happen here, we have lot of Silicon, lots more silicon than Carbon. Probably didn't happen because, you guessed it, it can't support the complexity required for life.

There are lots of things that we as a species do not know, much that we are ignorant of and by god we have a huge amount to learn however we already know an awful lot and that knowledge is NOT going to turn out to be totally wrong tomorrow morning, it might get added to be modified and enhanced but anything new still has to explain the same observations that we have already made!

It's evolution NOT revolution, Science does not get wiped away and completly replaced when new ideas are explored or new insights gained, new theories have to explain old results from older theories. Einstein's 1905 theory of Special Relativity explained the whole of Newtonian mechanics but Newtonian mechanics did not explain what happened when you were travelling close to the speed of light, Special Relativty did explain that and with unparralled accuracy that has only ever been more accuratly confirmed by any experiments conducted.

Likewise Quantum Electrodynamics has been the most successful theory in history (almost all of our modern technology relies on it one way or another) but it has nothing in it to explain the results of Special and General Relativity hence the desire to find a Quantum theory of Gravity.

Aliens are going to get the same results as us in their experiments, if they don't then all of Science is nonsense and we live in a world of magic in which case you are welcome to believe in Aliens and Fairy's, Leprechaun's and the Loch Ness monster.

Personally I feel as the great Carl Sagan did, if we are alone in the sheer enormity of the Universe, then it is an awful waste of space.

I cannot believe that we are the only sentient life form in the entire
Universe but I don't think sentient life is very common either and I certainly don't think Aliens have visited this planet recently.


Jim

P.S. that Sagan quote, I would advise anyone to read Sagan in particular "Contact" where that quote comes from. Biggest most mind blowing idea I ever heard was his idea in the book (only fiction) that the Aliens had discovered what they thought was a message in the number pi. Pi is a trancendental number this means that it doesn't repeat it has no patterns in the sequence of its decimal digits. He suggested that the creator of our Universe had left an imprint in the structure of the mathematical logic in our Universe, a binary message hidden in the number string of Pi's digits 10 to the power 20 decimal places into the string! Awsome idea :D

They left that out of the movie sadly but if they had included it there would have been even more very very confused people walking out the cinema :D

[fred]

Anyone remember the...
the UFO Disclosure Project?





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6QNzH4x1rY&feature=related




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6VYCkcfGco&feature=related

[fred]

U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT -FULL VERSION


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk&feature=related

[fred]

Seeing is believing?
Lt.Col. Charles Brown. "we had ground visual,ground radar,airborne visual and airborne radar":yikes:

[fred]

oops...X2 !

[fred]

Sergeant Smith worked as a radar controller from 1967 to 1973, reporting to NORAD on any radar UFO readings that may pose a threat to military airspace operations. In his testimony, he recounts his first encounter with a UFO in which the people he was stationed with were observing a UFO on radar that was behaving in an unusual sequential manner. The UFO would hover at about 80000 feet for 10 minutes, then descended slowly until it dropped off the radar for another 10 minutes, then instantly reappear at 80000 feet again! The next sweep of the radar would show that it was stationary at 200 miles away. It would stay in that location for 10 minutes and repeat what it has just done 2 more times.

http://ufo-disclosure.com/images/MichaelSmith.jpg
He was later told that when you see a UFO, you notify NORAD, you don’t write anything down, but rather just keep it to yourself because it is on a “need to know” basis only. A typical response that you hear from multiple witnesses in this subject.
Later that year, NORAD called him to let him know that there was a UFO coming up the California coastline, but that he should do nothing as they were just giving him the “heads up”.
Then in late 1972 while stationed in Michigan, he received panicky calls from police officers who were attempting to follow 3 UFOs. On checking the radar, he confirmed this, called NORAD who said that they were worried now because they had some B52s that were going to be landing near the stated location, so NORAD diverted the bombers. For this event, he received many calls from witnesses, to which he deceptively responded that there was nothing on radar at all. This would be his standard response until this press conference!
Like all these witnesses, he ends saying that he will testify under oath to a congressional hearing that what he has said is the truth.

[KeithD]

Aliens are out there looking for INTELLIGENT life forms ...hence the reason they ignore us :cwm3:

[fred]

This one just spotted in China according to CNN..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnszlJC8iGs

[JimOttley]

I'd love to believe in Aliens that visit us Fred but I don't, in spite of the wall of science fiction books that lines my living room.

I'll watch those vids when I get home tonight always interested, just a born sceptic.


Jim

[Steve.r]

Jim, where do you stand on parallel universes :Erm: Folds in time and space, time travel?

[-sillybilly-]

There was one time i was out and walking out the road from an indian shop..i saw a dancing light in slow motion. Thought i was seeing a UFO ( Unidentified flying object )..and all of a sudden another light came from somewhere and just realized that dancing little fing up the sky is just part of the fireworks!!!!:doh
It would probably make me believe if one day that UFO will come to me and would say hello....like ET! (hey whats's ET means again? sorry...:D:D)

[mikey73]

There was one time i was out and walking out the road from an indian shop..i saw a dancing light in slow motion. Thought i was seeing a UFO ( Unidentified flying object )..and all of a sudden another light came from somewhere and just realized that dancing little fing up the sky is just part of the fireworks!!!!:doh
It would probably make me believe if one day that UFO will come to me and would say hello....like ET! (hey whats's ET means again? sorry...:D:D)
hi
ET is extra terrestrial:)

[JimOttley]

Jim, where do you stand on parallel universes :Erm: Folds in time and space, time travel?

I personally prefer the Many Worlds interpretation of Quantum mechanics over the Copenhagen interpretation of Bohr and Heisenberg.

I like the idea of the superposition of state resulting in many worlds (Universe's), in the Copenhagen interpretation the act of making an observation of a system somehow magically collapses the state vector i.e. takes all the possible quantum states and picks one that becomes reality.

Bohr and Heisenberg were basically saying that nothing existed in a real sense unless someone was looking at it. As soon as there is no observer everything becomes a superposition of all possible quantum states of every particle in the system.

Their view leans toward the solopsistic and lends credence to the idea that the individual observer is the only observer in the entire Universe.

Many Worlds on the other hand postulates that every collapse of every state vector is a branching into a new variant of the Universe, this also implies that each individuals personal experience of reality and of the universe is unique. As no other momentary observer will ever remain solely in my universe all I get is a current version of everyone as I observe them now.

Many Worlds leads to an explosively exponential view of reality which comes close to reconciling the concept of infinity with the fact that we live in a clearly finite Universe.

Of course both views might be complete b:censored:t :D

Regards time travel it is allowed in the equations of Special and General Relativity, forward time travel is proven fact, i.e. slowing time down by travelling ver very fast close to the speed of light, this is proven fact.

Time travel into the past is alowed in some solutions of General Relativity but is completly unproven at this point in time, it's a maybe but so far it's never happened.

Folds in space, well massive objects bend space, also a proven fact, see the 1919 observations of Sir Arthur Eddington of the deflection of star light of stars as they passed close to our sun during a total eclipse.

I would like to believe in Wormholes and large scale folding of space but there is no proof at this point in time.

For me the most interesting idea that observations of the universe have come up with is that unlike our dear BornAtBirth ;) I was born in the Big Bang and am now 14 or so billion years old, I've only been awake for 50 odd years and might not be for many more but what the hell if that's what it takes to create a self aware being who am I to judge :D


Jim

[bornatbirth]

For me the most interesting idea that observations of the universe have come up with is that unlike our dear BornAtBirth ;) I was born in the Big Bang and am now 14 or so billion years old


funny you should say that because on the news today they (some boffins) have found a sun which is far bigger than the sun we have, everything we know about or do on this planet comes from the sun :Erm

btw if your 14 billion years old, arthur must be a lot older :D

[JimOttley]

funny you should say that because on the news today they (some boffins) have found a sun which is far bigger than the sun we have, everything we know about or do on this planet comes from the sun :Erm


:D

265 solar masses yep that's big!


btw if your 14 billion years old, arthur must be a lot older :D

Nah.. Arthur is timeless bless his soul!


Jim

[Steve.r]

ok, one that has always blown my mind.... the question of what is outside of space ? where are we ? Our universe is not infinate, there is a limit to it's size. So what are we part of ? Where did the big bang take place? are we just part of an infinately small part of the make up of an atom ? if so, are we part of something bigger? :Erm:

[bornatbirth]

when you get to the end of space, your back where you started :Erm:

[JimOttley]

I'll be home in about 2 hours I'll answer that one then Steve :) last one was lunch hour :)

Basically there was no space and no time, then there was. "Before" has no meaning as there was no time, likewise "Where" because there was no space.

Jim

[stevewool]

hi
ET is extra terrestrial:)

i knew a boy with a extra testical

[James Hubbard]

i knew a boy with a extra testical

Don't be coy with us! It's steve WoOol!

[stevewool]

ok ok you have found me :icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:, i knew it would be you james

[James Hubbard]

ok ok you have found me :icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:, i knew it would be you james

For the record, I am blessed with a full set of 2, and two only, and i think that it does accessorise my lizard rather well :)

[KeithD]

We have no idea what is 'beyond' and never will as we'll never see it or be able to measure it.

If infinity exists (as time is a human measurement), then statistically we have already appeared once therefore in infinity we have appeared an infinite number of time in the past, present and future :xxgrinning--00xx3:

To Infinity And Beyond :Hellooo: ...... which is impossible :rolleyes:

[stevewool]

so what you are saying then , were we are going is we have been, and were we have been we are going:Cuckoo::Cuckoo:

[KeithD]

so what you are saying then , were we are going is we have been, and were we have been we are going:Cuckoo::Cuckoo:

...and still are :hubbahubba:

[stevewool]

i knew i had meet emma before , the sexy smile the look of passion , all memories of the time before and the time to come again and again and again :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[JimOttley]

when you get to the end of space, your back where you started :Erm:

For Steve as well.

Yes if the universe would simply stop expanding and you could travel at the speed of light in a straight line it would take roughly 2pi x 14,000,000,000 years to return to where you started (that's a guess I could be wrong). It would not matter what direction you set out in you would always end up back where you started.

However because the Universe is continually expanding you could never in fact circumnavigate it.

When people ask where did the big bang happen the answer is everywhere at the same time, every point in the Universe participated in the big bang.

The centre of it if, you have to think in those terms was at a point in time 14 billion years ago and at that time the entire extent, the entire size of the universe was smaller than a single atom, a lot smaller.

Where did it come from?

Well the idea is that it came about from a rare quantum fluctuation of huge proportions in the vacuum energy, however once again that raises the question "quantum fluctuation in what?"

Physicists would answer that it was a fluctuation in a scalar field, the vacuum energy, something with magnitude but no directionality, it is implied that the scalar field simply exists, words like when and where have no meaning in respect to this field. Sadly these are difficult concepts to get ones head around. :)

This also implies that many universes could arise this way, indeed an unlimited number of universes which gives everything and everyone a kind of immortality.

Personally I grew away from this idea many many years ago, I am me, this version here now experiencing these moments, another slightly different copy is not me, an identical copy in an identical Universe? Well that is me but there is no way to tell the difference between instances, so it's irrelevant. Like everyone else I am born, I live and I die, I get the privilege of experiencing existence rather than never being that's good enough for me.

As for Aliens even if there are none in this Universe there certainly will be lots in other Universes. :)


Jim

[JimOttley]

We have no idea what is 'beyond' and never will as we'll never see it or be able to measure it.

If infinity exists (as time is a human measurement), then statistically we have already appeared once therefore in infinity we have appeared an infinite number of time in the past, present and future :xxgrinning--00xx3:

To Infinity And Beyond :Hellooo: ...... which is impossible :rolleyes:

Actually Georg Cantor proved that infinities come in different sizes don't ask me how it works I don't pretend to understand it ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor


In one of his earliest papers, Cantor proved that the set of real numbers is "more numerous" than the set of natural numbers; this showed, for the first time, that there exist infinite sets of different sizes.

[JimOttley]

...and still are :hubbahubba:

Indeed, definitely one of the ways of looking at it!

[KeithD]

Actually Georg Cantor proved that infinities come in different sizes don't ask me how it works I don't pretend to understand it ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor

We were talking about an infinite Universe which is as yet unproven .... you can count to infinity if you live long enough :crazy:

[JimOttley]

We were talking about an infinite Universe which is as yet unproven .... you can count to infinity if you live long enough :crazy:

Fair enough :P

If there is enough matter to close it, it then it's not infinite but as you know there is not enough observed matter to come anywhere near closing it, so chances are it will expand forever in which case it's infinite.

However with the accelerating expansion that has been observed and the possibility of the big rip at some point in the future then once again it's not infinite. :)

So as you say it's unproven.

It's always struck me that the big rip sounds like a black hole singularity turned inside out, everything comes to an end over a huge volume of space. In a conventional back hole all the stuff falls in over a large'ish surface and gets squashed out of existence at the point singularity.

In our Universe everything seems to have got squeezed in via a point and is going to hurtle towards extinction over a huge 4 dimensional area, just a thought, never seen this particular thought regarding the big rip published.


Jim

[KeithD]

I bet one day when we image all the Universe, shrink it down so we can see the shape and structure and realise we're living in a Alien dog turd :yikes:

[-sillybilly-]

For the record, I am blessed with a full set of 2, and two only, and i think that it does accessorise my lizard rather well :)


errrrr...what does this mean? :D:D

[bornatbirth]

does anyone believe david icke, sounds as nuts as nigel :Erm: :D

http://www.davidicke.com/