Coppers... eh..?

[aromulus]

I don't want to say too much, in case I get accused of bias and whatnot....:doh

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1300608/Policemen-suspended-smash-grab-raid-disabled-mans-Range-Rover.html?ITO=1490

Just realized, it is from the Mail online, some people may object.....:rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-10879719

Hope the BBC will be ok for the doubters...:rolleyes:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7928289/Video-police-officers-filmed-smashing-up-pensioners-car.html

The Telegraph for the posh ones out there....:D

[KeithD]

Maybe they just don't like Range Rovers :Cuckoo:

His story doesn't really make sense though :crazy:

[Dedworth]

Just realized, it is from the Mail online, some people may object.....:rolleyes:




Never be worried about copying something from the Mail. Stuff the doubters.

I suppose it wasn't reported the The Guardian aka Daily Handwringer there being no room for news amongst the columns of Local Authority vacancies for spurious posts such as Director of Inclusion

[Englishman2010]

His number plate is illegal

[Dedworth]

His number plate is illegal

That's one of my pet hates jerks using illegal fonts and spacing on plates. I've started making a nuisance of myself phoning the local plod and getting a crime report number each time I see one. Black Range Rovers are major offenders normally the driver is a drug dealer, would be gangster or look at me type.

[James Hubbard]

I just watched the video, and I am appalled. Absolutely stunned and appalled.:NoNo:

[KeithD]

I've started making a nuisance.....
Well you get plenty of practice on here :laugher:

[Arthur Little]

Probably insignificant :rolleyes: ... but did anyone else on here happen to notice - from the CCTV footage - that neither of the two "arresting" officers were wearing their police caps at the time of this incident?

[Englishman2010]

That's one of my pet hates jerks using illegal fonts and spacing on plates. I've started making a nuisance of myself phoning the local plod and getting a crime report number each time I see one. Black Range Rovers are major offenders normally the driver is a drug dealer, would be gangster or look at me type.

:D It was probably you that reported me for the incorrect spacing and strategically placed screw head on my Italian Stallion

[Dedworth]

:D It was probably you that reported me for the incorrect spacing and strategically placed screw head on my Italian Stallion

Yep :icon_lol:

[James Hubbard]

Probably insignificant :rolleyes: ... but did anyone else on here happen to notice - from the CCTV footage - that neither of the two "arresting" officers were wearing their police caps at the time of this incident?

it's an urban myth that they must wear their caps during official cop-business:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[bornatbirth]

the silly old fool deserved it "i thought the flashing lights and sirens were giving me a escort home" :icon_lol:


Well you get plenty of practice on here :laugher:

i have grown to like dedworth and am getting fond of reading his posts :D

[johncar54]

His number plate is illegal

Just think before you make too much fuss about 'personalised' number plates. I agree if the number cannot be read but in almost every case the 'altering' of the number makes it much easier to remember. Very useful if you are involved in an accident etc.

On a slightly different point. I remember an internal notice to the Met Police some years ago, which referred to the idea of a `personalised number' as being 'childish or foolish' and for that reason discretion should be exercised.

Quite funny as for time the official car of the Commissioner of the Met had a personalised number.

[Dedworth]

Just think before you make too much fuss about 'personalised' number plates. I agree if the number cannot be read but in almost every case the 'altering' of the number makes it much easier to remember. Very useful if you are involved in an accident etc.

On a slightly different point. I remember an internal notice to the Met Police some years ago, which referred to the idea of a `personalised number' as being 'childish or foolish' and for that reason discretion should be exercised.

Quite funny as for time the official car of the Commissioner of the Met had a personalised number.

There is now a glut of idiots using incorrect fonts, spacing, screw heads etc in blatant disregard of The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 which the Police seem to be unwilling to enforce. If the offenders choose to disregard these rules how many others do they ignore. I'd like to see a zero tolerance policy introduced.

[KeithD]

If as the driver says, he kept getting confused, needed his meds, and thought he may suffer a stroke at any time.... why the :censored: wasn't his license taken from him for his own safety and that of others, and make him take a test again with a note from his doctor saying he is fine to drive :doh

[Dedworth]

Just think before you make too much fuss about 'personalised' number plates. I agree if the number cannot be read but in almost every case the 'altering' of the number makes it much easier to remember. Very useful if you are involved in an accident etc.

On a slightly different point. I remember an internal notice to the Met Police some years ago, which referred to the idea of a `personalised number' as being 'childish or foolish' and for that reason discretion should be exercised.

Quite funny as for time the official car of the Commissioner of the Met had a personalised number.

There is now a glut of idiots using incorrect fonts, spacing, screw heads etc in blatant disregard of The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 which the Police seem to be unwilling to enforce. If the offenders choose to disregard these rules how many others do they ignore. I'd like to see a zero tolerance policy introduced.

To quote Sergeant Simon Goldsmith of Cambs Police "Over the next few weeks we will continue to conduct regular road checks to target vehicles with illegal number plates.

"Not only is it an offence to display these plates but it also creates problems with vehicle identification."

The most common offences in relation to number plates are changing the font and spacing of the registration.

Anyone caught displaying an illegal number plate more then twice could have the number revoked by the DVLA."

[stevewool]

i have a personal reg and never even been stopped its RR1:)

[sars_notd_virus]

[SIZE=4]Coppers... eh..?

i hate cops(police officer):rolleyes:(sorry)
reasons:
1.they were the first one to come in late in any crimes,accident etc
2.a lot of traffic laws but sad to say ..not implemented and observed
3.cops>>,,,do they really know what they are doing?

[KeithD]

3.cops>>,,,do they really know what they are doing?
You'll find out when they come knocking later today :D

[stevewool]

well the tv seems to place the coppers top of the list as prats speeders and just plain idiots, its great driving the latest cars bikes chasing ***** and putting our lives in danger, its frightning when a undercover police car is going that fast, its funny you never see one when you want one but do something wrong then there are 5 cars and if you are lucky a helicopter too:NoNo:

[KeithD]

.... its funny you never see one when you want one .....
That's because they are experts at being undercover :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[sars_notd_virus]

You'll find out when they come knocking later today :D

WAs it because i forgot to wear my seatbelt yesterday:Erm:
ok now am guilty(my excuse....sorry your traffic is so fast here in the UK,...i dont wanna be late:D)

[KeithD]

It's not fast, it's just that unlike the Phil ..... it moves :Cuckoo:

[sars_notd_virus]

It's not fast, it's just that unlike the Phil ..... it moves :Cuckoo:

:icon_lol::icon_lol:feels like im in Top Gear all the time

[joebloggs]

I've read the story in the Metro, it said he drove off while they were giving him a ticket :D

Sars was you at moats funneral :rolleyes:

one day you might need them cops :doh

[sars_notd_virus]

Sars was you at moats funneral :rolleyes:



NO JOe..:NoNo:waste of petrol :D
from what i read ..."He wants to be known as a guy who went to prison because he shot a load of coppers or who died trying."
No reason eh:doh

[Arthur Little]

the silly old fool deserved it "i thought the flashing lights and sirens were giving me a escort home" :icon_lol:

Don't know about THAT, exactly ... the police officers DO seem to've been a bit "heavy-handed ... but I'm surprised he's still licensed to drive such a large vehicle, given his medical history! :rolleyes:


i have grown to like dedworth and am getting fond of reading his posts :D

Never thought the day would come when I'd see YOU saying that. :NoNo: But yeah ... his deadpan humour DOES tend to have an appeal of its own :icon_lol:

[johncar54]

There is now a glut of idiots using incorrect fonts, spacing, screw heads etc in blatant disregard of The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 which the Police seem to be unwilling to enforce. If the offenders choose to disregard these rules how many others do they ignore. I'd like to see a zero tolerance policy introduced.

Sorry but don't see that in most cases there is any reason to believe that modifying the number causes any hazard to other road users and, as I said, altered plates usually mean the number is more easily remembered. If the alterations really affect the ability of a person to read the number I am pretty sure that the driver would be stopped and warned, cautioned, fined etc.

If I were in UK I would hope the police would concentrate on crimes, which affect the well-being of others. Police officer have discretion where to prosecute, in the old days, still so I hope, they turned a blind eye to the less serious offences.

These are but a few still on the statute books but which would seem likely to be ignored:-

60.
Prohibition of other nuisances.
Every person who, in any street or public place within the limits of the metropolitan police district, shall be guilty of any of the following offences, shall be liable to a penalty not more than [F68 level 1 on the standard scale]for every such offence; (that is to say,)
1. Every person who in any thoroughfare shall burn, dress, or cleanse any cork, or hoop, cleanse, fire, wash, or scald any cask or tub, or hew, saw, bore, or cut any timber or stone, or slack, sift, or screen any lime:
2. Every person who shall throw or lay in any thoroughfare any coals, stones, slates, shells, lime, bricks, timber, iron, or other materials (except building materials, or rubbish thereby occasioned, which shall be placed or enclosed so as to prevent any mischief happening to passengers):
3. Every person who in any thoroughfare shall beat or shake any carpet, rug, or mat (except door mats before the hour of eight in the morning), or throw or lay any dirt, litter or ashes, or any carrion, fish, offal, or rubbish, or throw or cause any such thing to fall into any sewer, pipe, or drain, or into any well, stream, or watercourse, pond, or reservoir for water . . . F69
(in London, shaking mats before 7 am

[Dedworth]

Sorry but don't see that in most cases there is any reason to believe that modifying the number causes any hazard to other road users and, as I said, altered plates usually mean the number is more easily remembered. If the alterations really affect the ability of a person to read the number I am pretty sure that the driver would be stopped and warned, cautioned, fined etc.

If I were in UK I would hope the police would concentrate on crimes, which affect the well-being of others. Police officer have discretion where to prosecute, in the old days, still so I hope, they turned a blind eye to the less serious offences.

These are but a few still on the statute books but which would seem likely to be ignored:-

60.
Prohibition of other nuisances.
Every person who, in any street or public place within the limits of the metropolitan police district, shall be guilty of any of the following offences, shall be liable to a penalty not more than [F68 level 1 on the standard scale]for every such offence; (that is to say,)
1. Every person who in any thoroughfare shall burn, dress, or cleanse any cork, or hoop, cleanse, fire, wash, or scald any cask or tub, or hew, saw, bore, or cut any timber or stone, or slack, sift, or screen any lime:
2. Every person who shall throw or lay in any thoroughfare any coals, stones, slates, shells, lime, bricks, timber, iron, or other materials (except building materials, or rubbish thereby occasioned, which shall be placed or enclosed so as to prevent any mischief happening to passengers):
3. Every person who in any thoroughfare shall beat or shake any carpet, rug, or mat (except door mats before the hour of eight in the morning), or throw or lay any dirt, litter or ashes, or any carrion, fish, offal, or rubbish, or throw or cause any such thing to fall into any sewer, pipe, or drain, or into any well, stream, or watercourse, pond, or reservoir for water . . . F69
(in London, shaking mats before 7 am

Cambs Police Sergeant Simon Goldsmith and I would disagree - this number plate legislation needs to be enforced to prevent cloning, aid identification of vehicles etc. I'm not quite sure of the present situation but I know a few years back there were moves to make such plates MoT failures - I think the then Govt lost it's bottle to crack down on those who flout laws just because it suits them

The list of Met Police District offences still on the books that you quote is amusing - I wonder if dressing a cork is a bit like dressing a crap or maybe its Olde English for cross dressing

[KeithD]

....If I were in UK I would hope the police would concentrate on crimes....
:icon_lol: Doesn't happen these days, they go for the easiest targets with instant results to keep the crime figures up, rather than solving what the public would consider 'real' crime.

[Dedworth]

:icon_lol: Doesn't happen these days, they go for the easiest targets with instant results to keep the crime figures up, rather than solving what the public would consider 'real' crime.

That's why the number plate offenders would be an easy target for them but maybe it doesn't involve bunking off back to the station for a lot of form filling at overtime rates :D

[johncar54]

Some people here seem to damn the police if they do and damn them if they don't.

However, number plates.

Whilst some people seem to think it's a really important point, (Cambs Police Sergeant Simon Goldsmith and Dedworth) it would seem apparent that the majority of police seem to think its harmless. If they did not then no one would be using them.

Sorry but that's logic. Bit like, the police think driving a motorcycle without a helmet is important, how many people do you see driving a motor cycle without one ?

[RickyR]

I'm a strong believer in the police using the tactic of 'Police Helicopter' and strategically placed 'Stingers' rather then engaging in a yank style police chase. It's safer to stand off and have cars waiting then to keep on chasing at ridiculous speeds down side streets.
Whilst this old guy is in the wrong, they'd have had a stronger case had they just left him to drive off, followed him carefully and arrested him when he got home.

[johncar54]

I know I always say this but here I go again.

I know there are a lot of people who love to jump to conclusions, often based on their prejudices, especially when the police are involved. These same people will often stick to their preconceived ideas even after all the facts have been published, regardless of what the findings were. It's not logical but that's life. Some people even write books to 'prove' their theories, again often with a scattering of mistruths (lies) to support what they say. If there are enough gullible people the books sell well and the authors make a ton and are inspired to do it all again. Ludervick Kennedy was one such.

The inescapable fact is: One cannot come to any reasoned conclusion by what they read in the papers, see on TV or a video etc. That is why they investigate cases. Only when all the facts are known can one make a reasoned decision.

But, take no notice of this, continue making your guesses. By the time all the facts come out everyone will have forgotten what you said so you won't even need to say you were maybe wrong !!!

[KeithD]

That's why the number plate offenders would be an easy target for them but maybe it doesn't involve bunking off back to the station for a lot of form filling at overtime rates :D
It's only a fixed penalty notice though, not an arrest.

[johncar54]

As this number plate things seems to have assumed great importance, I attach this:-


Vehicle Number Plates in the UK
There are strict rules set out that govern the layout, fonts and character specifications used on UK number plates. There are also general rules laid out on how number plates must be displayed. If these rules are not followed then it can be seen as an offence. General rules will include:



Number plates must be lit during the evenings
Registration marks must be readable and not covered by dirt
Vehicles must have number plates fixed to them
Number plates must be laid out in the correct size, colouring, font and spacing
Owners cannot alter or rearrange numbers and lettering on their number plates
Plates should follow the British Standard for number plates including the trademark of the plate supplier
No other images should be used on number plates except approved images such as the Euro flag and other flags
A non reflective border is optional
Punishments for Number Plate Offences
Incorrect number plate offences can lead to fines of up to £1000 for each specific number plate offence. It may be the case that a Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP) will be affixed to car, for instance in a public car park, with a fixed penalty violation. There is no requirement for an NIP to be provided for number plate offences. There are sometimes defences available for this type of offence but misleading or lying to the courts can lead to larger fines. Police cameras are regularly used to catch drivers with dirty numbers plates or plates with incorrect spacing.

PS If I were a still a serving officer in UK I personally would be on the look out for people who break the law in a way which affects other citizens in a real way, not wasting police time on a number plate which has been slightly modified, as long as it was still legible.

[bornatbirth]

:icon_lol: john, you usually seem to have a bee in your bonnet about everything being correct but your not bothered if people have correct number plates or not :Erm:

if we cant believe the media reporting the story because we dont have the full facts, who do we believe?

[johncar54]

:icon_lol: john, you usually seem to have a bee in your bonnet about everything being correct but your not bothered if people have correct number plates or not :



Quote . if we cant believe the media reporting the story because we dont have the full facts, who do we believe?


john, you usually seem to have a bee in your bonnet about everything being correct but your not bothered if people have correct number plates or not :

I did not say that, I differentiated between plates which could not be read and those which had been slightly altered. Does anyone really think police should waste police time /public taxes, worrying about, say a plate which should read
'M 1 JAS' but reads 'MIJAS'

Quote . if we cant believe the media reporting the story because we dont have the full facts, who do we believe?[/QUOTE]

When officers are working on high profile cases, murders etc. they keep a 'press cuttings book' of articles about the case. The reason: Quite often (mentally unstable) people confess to crimes they have not committed. Of course in such cases they have to rely on what they have read in newspapers.

In practically all high profile cases important facts are withheld by the police and thus, if a person confesses and knows the withheld facts, they are either the person responsible for tghe crime or have a close knowledge of the case. Anyone just reading the papers would not know theses pertinent facts.

When one reads all the articles about a case sometimes it is difficult to be sure they are writing about the case under investigation, they vary so much and can be so far from what actually happened.

Anyone reading any of these such articles would of course get only the info that paper printed, and thus cannot get the complete story, and which is often way off mark. How would anyone expect with such poor quality, biased, mis-reported etc. info, could anyone come to a reasoned conclusion.

[Dedworth]

The bee is in my bonnet about these number plates and I think there should be Zero Tolerance with offending cars being taken away and crushed. However thinking about it from the Police's point of view there might be some logic in allowing the law breakers to get away with it. The sensible drug dealer drives a bog standard grey saloon number plate LD59 XCN whereas the one who wants to say "look at me I'm the big I am" has a big black Range Rover, Big Wheels, Blacked out windows and a number plate altered from PEN15 to PE NIS. Who are the police more likely to stop ? the grey man or the knobhead who wants to stand out ?

[johncar54]

The bee is in my bonnet about these number plates and I think there should be Zero Tolerance with offending cars being taken away and crushed.

With vehicles I would hope that driving without insurance would he high prority. No insiurance = no compensation to the innocent party. Some dick, with insurance, driving with a PENI5 reg plate, who cares?

[Dedworth]

With vehicles I would hope that driving without insurance would he high prority. No insiurance = no compensation to the innocent party.

Agreed - there should be a complete change of the system along the lines that you get a new state manufactured and issued number plate every year instead of a tax disc which incorporated it's expiry date and a bar code. No personal plates would be allowed thus removing the knobheads, the plate would only be issued to vehicles that had valid MOT's and insurance. Without exception any vehicles with out of date or no number plates would be seized and crushed along with those flagged on the DVLA data base as having expired insurance.

[johncar54]

I don't think that is the best think of the actual cost of the whole program.

Add the equivalent on the petrol. It would be perhaps a penny or two on a litre with no cost at all for collection and admin as the taxes are already collected on petrol and thus no additional costs. And no police, court, administration costs for abuse.


Also, it would mean a gas guzzler would pay a lot more that a small saloon and the guy who drivers every day would pay more that the family man taking the wife and kids to the countryside a few weekends in the summer.

It would also mean that drivers would be encouraged maybe to drive a little more economically, so good for the environment too.

What's wrong with that ?

[aromulus]

Crazy situation we have, eh...?:Erm:

Number plates.....

I personally would hold the makers and sellers of number plates responsible.:rolleyes:

Give companies like Motorworld or Halfords and a few others the contracts for supplying plates to the public with very strict guidelines, to make them to an approved standard, without variations of any kind, ie spacings, different colour screwheads and whatnot. :rolleyes:
Tell the police to issue week long notices to change the plates to drivers with unacceptable or confusing combinations of letters and numbers, or have the car impounded and only released on payment of fines and storage fees.
I don't see why one should do away with a personal plate if it is properly displayed and affixed.
People against personal plates are normally people that either can't afford them, or can't find the right ones coz someone else got there first.....:icon_lol:

I got mine... How did yah guess...???:Erm:

[Dedworth]

I don't think that is the best think of the actual cost of the whole program.

Add the equivalent on the petrol. It would be perhaps a penny or two on a litre with no cost at all for collection and admin as the taxes are already collected on petrol and thus no additional costs. And no police, court, administration costs for abuse.


Also, it would mean a gas guzzler would pay a lot more that a small saloon and the guy who drivers every day would pay more that the family man taking the wife and kids to the countryside a few weekends in the summer.

What's wrong with that ?

It could be partially paid for by a levy on insurance companies, they would be doing more business with less dodgers around.

Not living in the UK you aren't up to speed on the current situation, as well as hundreds of thousands of local uninsured drivers there are untold Eastern Europeans rolling about in uninsured un MO'Td British registered wrecks. My 18 year old nephew had his parked up first car written off outside my sisters house by a drunken unlicensed, uninsured beered up Pole. As one would expect he got fined a couple of hundred quid on easy terms and 12 points on the Brit licence he didn't have. The only plus side was that my older nephew and his mates got to the drunken Pole before the Police did :)

[Dedworth]

I got mine... How did yah guess...???:Erm:

I saw it the other day tinkered with version of KN 08 EDD :D

[aromulus]

I saw it the other day tinkered with version of KN 08 EDD :D

You wouldn't notice my personal plate if my car run you over....:Hellooo:

[johncar54]

So who would pay, the drivers with insurance, and again it would cost money to administer.

As for the insurance problem In Spain every policy holder pays a small percentage to a Gov Fund. Victims of uninsured drivers and of natural disasters get paid out by the fund.

[Dedworth]

You wouldn't notice my personal plate if my car run you over....:Hellooo:

I guess the plate would be the last thing I saw as the huge black Range Rover careered towards me :icon_lol:

[Dedworth]

So who would pay, the drivers with insurance, and again it would cost money to administer.

As for the insurance problem In Spain every policy holder pays a small percentage to a Gov Fund. Victims of uninsured drivers and of natural disasters get paid out by the fund.

We (the insured legal mug drivers) pay it anyway in the form of higher premiums just as shoppers pay higher prices to cover the stores losses due to let off shoplifters who aren't brought before the courts.

[KeithD]

I guess the plate would be the last thing I saw as the huge black Range Rover careered towards me :icon_lol:
With a copper jumping up & down on the bonnet :D

[johncar54]

We (the insured legal mug drivers) pay it anyway in the form of higher premiums just as shoppers pay higher prices to cover the stores losses due to let off shoplifters who aren't brought before the courts.

But you only pay if the you have full comp. If you hit by an uninsured driver and you have only third party, unless they have changed the system, you just lose.

[Dedworth]

With a copper jumping up & down on the bonnet :D

and if the vehicle didn't sort me out he would with his baton :D

[Dedworth]

But you only pay if the you have full comp. If you hit by an uninsured driver and you have only third party, unless they have changed the system, you just lose.

Uninsured drivers also cost the insurance industry millions of pounds every year – with the Motor Insurers Bureau (MIB) dealing with more than 30,000 claims caused by uninsured drivers annually.

Half of the 1.5 million uninsured drivers are younger than 29, which suggests that high insurance premiums and low penalty fines, from as little as £50, are encouraging some young people to drive uninsured.

In addition to committing a criminal offence, this can start a vicious cycle because insurance premiums rise dramatically after a driver is caught without a policy – making it even less likely that the individual can afford insurance in future.

Telegraph Jan 2010 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/insurance/motorinsurance/7089965/Motor-insurance-uninsured-drivers-cost-us-2bn-a-year.html

[johncar54]

That's in the UK of course, don't get rid of them in Spain. They aren't as competent, friendly, honest etc as in UK but they sure are a lot better than being without them.

[joebloggs]

I saw it the other day tinkered with version of KN 08 EDD :D

my old boss had the number plates LI000NY and M7NGE but he had the number 7 made to look like the letter I on his Ferrari spider.. :NoNo:

the guy in the white shirt is my old boss :action-smiley-081:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDVkcoVWPNY

[aromulus]

Wonder what ugly tree Ruby wax fell out of.....:Erm:

[joebloggs]

Wonder what ugly tree Ruby wax fell out of.....:Erm:

same one as my ex boss :rolleyes:

[bornatbirth]

anybody who commits any motoring offence should have there car crushed :)

[RickyR]

The altered number plates a problem for the 'number plate recognition' computers linked into cameras on the motorways, fixed into cars and now in places such as car parks and even the eurostar.
Traffic police vehicles have cameras fitted which continuously scan the number plates of cars around them and cross check them against databases of tax + insurance.

On a useful side if you prebook parking at many major airports or prebook on the eurostar it reads your numberplate as your approach the barrier and has your information already displayed.

[Sim11UK]

I saw a black Range Rover yesterday Dedworth & thought of you. (But not in a pervy way :D)

[James Hubbard]

this is becoming a bit.....


http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20090302/300.hill.rogen.segel.rudd.030209.jpg

[nigel]

How does that old joke go? "My ex wife ran off with a policeman and I was frightened you were bringing her back!":omg:

I think officers smash windows like that because they fear the driver may have a gun/weapon....smashing windows like that might startle him for a moment, it buys them a few seconds of time before he manages to get hold of his weapon..!?

I know some of you will say "But that was just a daft old pensioner who drove off!" Well they've got no way of knowing that have they? Having the appearance of a frail old pensioner is not proof that you are not dangerous! I understand that it's not a nice thing for the old guy to experience but....:Erm:

[bornatbirth]

I saw a black Range Rover yesterday Dedworth & thought of you. (But not in a pervy way :D)

me too, with tinted windows but i did think of dedworth in a pervy way :Sex::Sex:

[James Hubbard]

i did think of dedworth in a pervy way :Sex::Sex:

http://www.clutchtees.com/images/T/Im-Not-Gay-But-My-Boyfriend-Is.jpg