Scum of the earth

[Dedworth]

I've just seen a bit about this on BBC London news. Hanging is too good for this vile animal :angry:

Second World War veteran, 90, murdered by mugger

Geoffrey Bacon, 90, was attacked from behind on the doorstep of his home on a south London estate where he had lived since he was six years old.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7952176/Second-World-War-veteran-90-murdered-by-mugger.html

[triple5]

When they find him they should stick him in a room full of squadies in their prime :angry:

[mikey73]

When they find him they should stick him in a room full of squadies in their prime :angry:

2nd that comment, they should let the military police pick him up. makes me sick what people do the older generation that gave so much for us :angry:.

[johncar54]

Sorry to bring up my old chestnut again but, what are YOU doing to get the criminal justice system changed in UK so that we will not be increasingly reading (or maybe even getting too bored to read) about this type of incident.

Nothing I guess, so what's the point pf complaining here ? (preaching to the converted)

(I don't have a vote in UK, thus have no say in what happens there, I am though obliged to pay tax there on my government employee pension, 'no taxation without representation' hahahaha

[KeithD]

..and how do we change it John? Writing to MP's does nothing as they have to tow the party line these days, and all the parties are using early release schemes, and we're just about to start jailing less people. The only way of geting true justice these days is vigilante movements, but it is those that end up in jail, not the scum they are beating the crap out of who should be in jail.

[johncar54]

..and how do we change it John? Writing to MP's does nothing as they have to tow the party line these days, and all the parties are using early release schemes, and we're just about to start jailing less people. The only way of geting true justice these days is vigilante movements, but it is those that end up in jail, not the scum they are beating the crap out of who should be in jail.


I do not want to repeat what I have said in other post, however, I know, from personal experience, a voter can influence their MP on matters of government policy.

Why do you think laws are changed ?

Because vociferous minority groups make it happen. The vast silent majority only complain to their mates. If enough people were sufficiently interested to make their wishes known the law will change.

(Votes for women, racism legislation, abortion laws, homosexuality laws, sexual equality legislation, pub opening hours, occupation safety regulation, abolishion of captital punishment, etc all changed by vociferous minorities, often against the wishes of the silent majority )

[Dedworth]

The only way there would be a sea change in the punishment of criminals would be if enough MP's and their elderly relatives fell victim to the scum that are blighting swathes of this country. Sounds nasty but in a way I'd like to see it happen - one of their sons left for dead and brain damaged by a drug fuelled mugger, pikey con men robbing widowed granny of her bank contents, drunken uninsured driver ploughing into an MP's wife etc etc

[David House]

I have a friend who works as a prison officer, and has done so for many years. He also has strong opinions on this subject and feels that the system is too soft on a variety of types of criminals. However where I think he would differ from some of the opinions being expressed here is that this is either a new, or growing problem. He tells me that it has always been like this and is actually not getting any worse. How to deter and punish the offenders is quite another issue.
I know many would re-introduce the death penalty for murder and a "lock em up and throw away the key" policy for other serious offences. I am not so sure that this would actually deter offenders who often are pretty simple, or drugged up, from committing offences. It might make some folk feel better because they have achieved a type of retribution but would it make us safer? I am not convinced. The problem is deep one which I fear will never be completely solved. The evil, the lazy, the envious and the mentally ill will always be with us.
I think there is a widespread, media inspired, perception that things are worse today than they used to be which is not actually true. My own parents used to feel exactly the same in their old age.

[KeithD]

I do not want to repeat what I have said in other post, however, I know, from personal experience, a voter can influence their MP on matters of government policy.
Not these days John, if they don't tow the party line then they are outcasts and have the whip withdrawn. Simple as that. Bully boy tactics these days in politics. You're MP can agree with everything I say, but if the chaps at the top don't they won't listen to him. Only when they get a media outcry will they react these days.

[Dedworth]

(Votes for women, racism legislation, abortion laws, homosexuality laws, sexual equality legislation, pub opening hours, occupation safety regulation, abolishion of captital punishment, etc all changed by vociferous minorities, often against the wishes of the silent majority )

Not wishing to appear flippant but these are mainly ancient history / civil rights issues. Nothing has been done for years to address the serious crime and disorder prevalent and affecting the average Joe Soap in the UK - infact softening of penalties encourages the crims.

For example 600 cautions were issued for sex crimes that include rape and child abuse in Avon and Somerset since 2004 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7555332/Eleven-rapists-and-hundreds-of-other-sex-offenders-let-off-with-cautions.html)

The rope and cane have the desired deterrent and prison emptying effect in Malaysia and Singapore and should be used in the UK

[joebloggs]

i watched an interview with Mickey Rourke, I think he was talking about the film THe Wrestler, and he been to a Prsion in Russia, he said it was not like in America where the prisoners ruled the prsion, in Russia the guards run the prison :cwm3:

also dont forget its not just the Govs fault scum get of lighlty its the Court of Human rights fault to :NoNo:

[johncar54]

OK guys, the MPs are not voted in by citizens, they do not listen to the voters, there is nothing we can do, so I will continue complaining about it to other like minded people who also think they can do nothing about it. Thus, things will not be improved in the way we want.

Tends to prove my point 'we get the government we deserve.'


NB Vociferous minorities, don't take any notice of this as you will get the laws altered to the way you want them, even if those new laws are not to wishes of the silent majority.

[Pete/London]

OK guys, the MPs are not voted in by citizens, they do not listen to the voters, there is nothing we can do, so I will continue complaining about it to other like minded people who also think they can do nothing about it. Thus, things will not be improved in the way we want.

Tends to prove my point 'we get the government we deserve.'


NB Vociferous minorities, don't take any notice of this as you will get the laws altered to the way you want them, even if those new laws are not to wishes of the silent majority.

I agree with you and had good response from my old MP in the past. However my MP now, IDS is a let down, but with constant badgering he might start worrying about his constituents.

[johncar54]

Pete/London

Nice to hear there is someone who has not surrendered.

Even, if only for selfish reasons, MPs want to get re-elected and that can only happen if people vote for them. People who cry 'Rotten fish for sale' don't sell much fish !!!!!!

[Dedworth]

I agree with you and had good response from my old MP in the past. However my MP now, IDS is a let down, but with constant badgering he might start worrying about his constituents.

I wouldn't hold your breath but wait until shortly before the next election, they generally take a bit more notice when they are in opposition as they're looking for every chance to bang their own drum.

[Pete/London]

I wouldn't hold your breath but wait until shortly before the next election, they generally take a bit more notice when they are in opposition as they're looking for every chance to bang their own drum.

This new gov seems to be trying to nullify the opposition by bringing many of them back into working for the coalition. Smacks as jobs for the good old boys and sod the constituents.:doh

[David House]

I do not want to repeat what I have said in other post, however, I know, from personal experience, a voter can influence their MP on matters of government policy.

Why do you think laws are changed ?

Because vociferous minority groups make it happen. The vast silent majority only complain to their mates. If enough people were sufficiently interested to make their wishes known the law will change.

(Votes for women, racism legislation, abortion laws, homosexuality laws, sexual equality legislation, pub opening hours, occupation safety regulation, abolishion of captital punishment, etc all changed by vociferous minorities, often against the wishes of the silent majority )

In my view it is the job of the MP to represent the views of the "silent majority" and not to be influenced by pressure groups. Our system is one of representative goverment, and not of delegates, so that we elect people not to do our bidding but to use their best judgement having duly considered all the facts. We rely on them to make the enquiries we have neither the time nor the expertise to do ourselves. I would much rather have such a system than that which exists in the USA, for instance, which might appear more democratic as it involves the people more directly in decision making but in fact enables the influence of interest groups to flourish, and those with the deepest pockets to flourish best.
I understand the criticism of the way that the Government sidelines the ordinary MP but they always have the ultimate sanctions in their hands and nowdays the influence and work of the various specialist committees should not be under estimated. My own experience with my local MP has always been a good one.
I say thank goodness for our system as it protects us from the extremes of both left and right thinking. We have witnessed enough far right thinking already in this thread for me to be grateful for our MPs judgements being paramount. I can just imagine some folk pressing for a referendum on the re-introduction of capital punishment because they know there is a fair chance that the great British public would vote for it.