Teacher looking for job in Uk

[Steve.r]

Hi guys,
I am trying to help my friend Glad find a teaching job here in the Uk and I am looking for advice from anyone who might have experienced trying to secure this nature of job.
Glad (23) currently teaches in an elementry school in phils where she teaches english and science. She is also computer literate. She would love to come here to work in teaching but as an ex teacher myself, I know it is not easy.
If anyone knows of any links to agencies or openings, please leave your thoughts here and I can forward them.

thanks
Steve

[joebloggs]

first place for her to go is http://www.naric.org.uk/
see what her qualifications are equivalent to in the UK

with things the way they are at the mo, i think it would be pretty difficult for her to get a sponsor/employment,

but i hope she can prove me wrong :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

first place for her to go is http://www.naric.org.uk/
see what her qualifications are equivalent to in the UK

Steve, mate ... I hate to say this, but even though Myrna graduated BSc with honours from the University of the South East Philippines - and subsequently taught for 22 years at Panabo High School, Mindanao - the Scottish Education Department insist she'd need to return to full-time study in order to "reach the standard required" for teaching over here! :doh I may be wrong, but I'd imagine it'll be the same in England.

:furious3: Bloody ludicrous, really, that *science degrees attained in Asian countries are regarded as being on a par with our College-level HNC/HNDs when, in fact - like for like - the Phils outrank what I've seen of the British universities' course content in *comparable subjects. Yet the impression I get IS that the various UK Qualifications' Authorities seem able to hide behind a kind of "smokescreen" by setting unrealistically-high standards as a means of presenting [falsely, I might add] to the world that their students are, somehow, a tad better educated than those from other nations. :cwm23:

[Arthur Little]

with things the way they are at the mo, i think it would be pretty difficult for her to get a sponsor/employment,

Sadly, :bigcry: Joe's right! I should think it would be well-nigh impossible in the present economic climate ... even discounting the factors I've already outlined.

[Arthur Little]

but i hope she can prove me wrong ... :xxgrinning--00xx3:

... and ME, Steve! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[baby38]

I get so many friends of my wife asking if I can get them work here in Australia,these all hard working people teachers,nurses doctors accountants,however their qualifications not expectable here in Australia and we have a shortage of people in most of these positions.Filipinos very well exceptional here as workers here ,work hard very dedicated,they do jobs in nursing homes cleaners etc where a lot of Aussies wont do,they prefer to go on the employment benefits (dole ) or call it a pension even if they are 21.

[Arthur Little]

...jobs in nursing homes cleaners etc where a lot of Aussies wont do,they prefer to go on the employment benefits (dole ) or call it a pension even if they are 21.

:gp: ... not so far-removed from their "British heritage" then, eh!?

[joebloggs]

:gp: ... not so far-removed from their "British heritage" then, eh!?

well the PBS (points based system) used by UKBA is based on the Aussie one,

the problem with degrees are the varying standards, some places you can get a 'degree' after just 2 yrs of studying, while in the UK it takes 3 or 4 yrs., so you'll find Naric class some degrees as equivalent to a UK HNC/HND.

[Steve.r]

Thanks for all the replies guys. I know it is an uphill struggle, bad enough for a Brit national to change jobs these days. But, I will keep on trying for her, I pledged to do that. I'll refer her to the website you gave me Joe, and see how she fairs.
thanks again
Steve

[joebloggs]

I get so many friends of my wife asking if I can get them work here in Australia,these all hard working people teachers,nurses doctors accountants,however their qualifications not expectable here in Australia and we have a shortage of people in most of these positions.

can't speak for nurse or teachers, but there was nothing wrong with my wife's medical degree she got in the phils , the problem was the exams she had to take to enable her to register in the UK with the GMC, the form filling, getting a certificate of good standing, grades, delays etc.. took nearly 5 long years :NoNo::doh

[Dedworth]

can't speak for nurse or teachers, but there was nothing wrong with my wife's medical degree she got in the phils , the problem was the exams she had to take to enable her to register in the UK with the GMC, the form filling, getting a certificate of good standing, grades, delays etc.. took nearly 5 long years :NoNo::doh

Joe they've got to find something to keep the pen pushers and non jobs busy within the NHS after all 6500 of them have to justify their £100000 pa plus salaries

[joebloggs]

after all 6500 of them have to justify their £100000 pa plus salaries

if their consultants i can understand that, espcially if their surgeons.

[Arthur Little]

if their consultants *i can understand that, espcially if their surgeons.

:iagree: ... *ME too!! Hospital doctors - particularly, skilled surgeons - and nurses, [whatever their status] are there to save lives ... not to ruin other people's for the sake of saving costs (as seems to be the main objective of the penpushers!!!).

[Dedworth]

if their consultants i can understand that, espcially if their surgeons.

I agree Joe some of these consultants will be world beaters in their specialisations. There's some grossly overpaid GP's due to New Labours contract cock up but vast numbers of the £100k plus trough feeders will be Directors of Inclusion and Multiculturalism, Trust Director of Form Filling and other Guardianista Non Jobs. The sooner they are outed and the money spent on frontline health care staff the better for us all.

[Arthur Little]

IThere's some grossly overpaid GP's

:gp: ... that's true! Half the time, patients visiting their GPs' surgeries already have a clear enough :idea: what's ailing them. Either that, or they're referred to a hospital clinic for confimation of their own self-diagnoses. :doh

[joebloggs]

i think a GP's training is only 3yrs, while a surgeon is at least 6yrs

[Arthur Little]

i think a GP's training is only 3yrs, while a surgeon is at least 6yrs

:rolleyes: ... that figures! Joe ... I believe it takes something like 9 years in total to complete a medical degree and qualify as a practitioner in the Phils. And yet, your missus was expected to sit further examinations - and undergo additional training - in order to satisfy GMC requirements ... :omg:

[Arthur Little]

:doh ... it's :crazy: ... especially when non-English-speaking European docs can come over to the UK and be allowed to practise more or less straightaway!

[aryM]

Hi guys,
I am trying to help my friend Glad find a teaching job here in the Uk and I am looking for advice from anyone who might have experienced trying to secure this nature of job.
Glad (23) currently teaches in an elementry school in phils where she teaches english and science. She is also computer literate. She would love to come here to work in teaching but as an ex teacher myself, I know it is not easy.
If anyone knows of any links to agencies or openings, please leave your thoughts here and I can forward them.

thanks
Steve


My fiance had refer me to this site http://www.tda.gov.uk/home.aspx coz I am also planning to apply for a teaching job in UK someday. He also said something about retraining.

[joebloggs]

:rolleyes: ... that figures! Joe ... I believe it takes something like 9 years in total to complete a medical degree and qualify as a practitioner in the Phils. And yet, your missus was expected to sit further examinations - and undergo additional training - in order to satisfy GMC requirements ... :omg:

:icon_lol: not only that buts shes doing foundation year 1, something that Brits do when they've completed thier medical degree :crazy: so shes in the 'system' :doh

[Steve.r]

My fiance had refer me to this site http://www.tda.gov.uk/home.aspx coz I am also planning to apply for a teaching job in UK someday. He also said something about retraining.

Thanks for the link :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[aryM]

Thanks for the link :xxgrinning--00xx3:

No problem...:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[David House]

I can back up what others have said. Connie has a BA ed from the Phil but when she applied to Naric she was told that her qualification was virtually useless in the UK. As she was married to me she had no issues with her visa but was told she would have to start her training pretty well from scratch. Getting a visa to work as a teacher in the UK seems a non starter for any Filipino, especially now. Connie, by the way, spent two years taking a BTEC in early years and says this was much more demanding than her course in the Phil. I am not a fan of the "degree" courses in the Phil. They seemed designed to make money for the colleges and "universities" rather than really equip the students for a future productive life. Many of the units that have to be studied have absolutely no relevance to the course but are just bolted on to fill it up. I have known people on nursing courses studying Filippine history, music and dance and religion. Why?

[Arthur Little]

I am not a fan of the "degree" courses in the Phil. They seemed designed to make money for the colleges and "universities" rather than really equip the students for a future productive life. Many of the units that have to be studied have absolutely no relevance to the course but are just bolted on to fill it up.

Hmm ... well, Myrna taught for all of twenty-two years in the Phils. And, in addition to graduating BSc (Hons) in Agricultural Sciences & Animal Husbandry from the State University of the South Eastern Philippines, she was required to take the Nationally-approved Teaching Board Examination - in which she gained 83% - prior to registration and licensing by the 'Professional Regulation Commission' [PRC]. So in my opinion it seems totally farcical that Education Authorities here in the UK can possibly imagine that their standards are in any way superior to those I've outlined. :doh

Instead ... what I believe is happening is that Britain - in common with other westernised nations - sets unrealistically high targets in order to prevent people from non-European countries coming here and "snapping-up" jobs it feels should go to to its own graduates. Which, logically, makes sense. But I honestly think it is a misconception to say that the standards here are, on the whole, any better! :rolleyes:

[Arthur Little]

:rolleyes: Admittedly most countries worldwide will have different sets of criteria from others ... and it is the prerogative of each to determine its own levels of standard according to how it sees fit. That's only to be expected. But bear in mind that, in all schools throughout the Philippines, English [albeit "Americanised" English] is the medium of instruction from Grade 1 Elementary onwards ... right up to High School "graduation" (as it's known) and beyond. And tell me :anerikke: ... how many "western" schoolchildren are ever likely to become anything like as fluent in any foreign language - let alone Tagalog, :cwm24: say - at the tender ages of five or six???

[grahamw48]

My kids have all spent time being educated in the Philippines education system (public elementary, and private high school), and the English system.

I always took a close interest and helped them with their homework.

My experience was that in many areas the Phils schools were in advance of the British system, and certainly stricter...including giving lots of homework.

The MORAL education was FAR superior to here. :rolleyes:

As mentioned previously, the older (step)children are both at university here now, after each achieving fantastic GCSE results, and my (own) youngest boy is in the 6th form after passing 14 GCSEs. I thought it was 11 until I saw his certificate that was only issued last week.:cwm24:

Their mother, my ex, wasn't idle either.
She, a lady who hadn't finished High School in the Phils because of poverty, studied here for her B.Nurs degree and graduated a couple of years ago, but even she then had to go to Sweden to find work nursing...a blessing in disguise for me, admittedly. :)

In some ways I'd rather that my kids had had their entire education in the Phils, merely because of the family and community values that are taught there, but knowing that UK certificates would ultimately enable them to better compete in the modern world, I brought them back here.

[Arthur Little]

I have known people on nursing courses studying Filippine history, music and dance and religion. Why?

Apart from Philippine History, perhaps ... which I imagine is integral to the normal High School curriculum ... the *subjects you mention are most likely to be offered to college and/or university students for purely recreational purposes - rather than forming part of Nursing/Other courses - unless individuals have specifically enrolled for them as a means of obtaining qualifications in *related vocations. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

My experience was that in many areas the Phils schools were in advance of the British system, and certainly stricter...including giving lots of homework.

The MORAL education was FAR superior to here. :rolleyes:

In some ways I'd rather that my kids had had their entire education in the Phils, merely because of the family and community values that are taught there ...

:68711_thanx: so much Graham. Hitherto, I always seem to have been a "lone voice" in praising the merits of the Phils Education System. I know instinctively, it hurts my wife's feelings to hear of it being lambasted unjustly :bigcry: ... because she and her colleagues at Panabo High School in Mindanao were totally dedicated to teaching their pupils to the highest standards of achievement - both scholastically and morally. Indeed, Myrna led a contingent of her senior charges from Region 11 to win the coveted STEP [Student Entrepreneur of the Philippines] Award on at least two separate occasions during the early 2000s. I mention this - not in a boastful manner, but - simply to put things in their proper perspective for the benefit of the doubter(s) ... whom I hope will take note. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

Moreover ... congratulations to your son and step-children on their excellent academic attainments. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

It is true Arthur, that there are so many dedicated and wonderful teachers in the Phils, and surviving on peanut wages too.

Compared to here they also manage to produce well-behaved, disciplined, yet happy kids. Smartly turned out despite their poverty.

Such a shame that our system seems only to be able to turn out scruffy disrespectful brats by comparison....not all, but a LOT. :NoNo:

PS. Thanks for the compliment. Their mother had a lot to do with it too.

My little horrors: :)

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/998/negs60318229352.jpg

[Arthur Little]

It is true Arthur, that there are so many dedicated and wonderful teachers in the Phils, and surviving on peanut wages too.

Compared to here they also manage to produce well-behaved, disciplined, yet happy kids. Smartly turned out despite their poverty.

Such a shame that our system seems only to be able to turn out scruffy disrespectful brats by comparison....not all, but a LOT. :NoNo:

:iagree: wholeheartedly ... on both counts!!

[grahamw48]

My stepkids now...all grown up. :)

I'm so happy for them.

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/4710/lizzieandemman.jpg

[Arthur Little]

Their mother had a lot to do with it too.

:gp: ... but there's no need to be modest, mate ... I imagine your guiding influence paved the way to their success. :xxgrinning--00xx3:


My little horrors: :)

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/998/negs60318229352.jpg

:) Ah ... but I'll bet you're soooooooooo proud of them! Lovely photo, too ...

[Arthur Little]

My stepkids now...all grown up. :)

I'm so happy for them.

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/4710/lizzieandemman.jpg

... and so's this one. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

by far most kids in the uk are decent and i've come across some outstanding deicated teachers thru the years in the UK.

Arthur i think naric is totally independent of the gov, i think they look at how many study hours and years of study were taken to gain the degree.

[grahamw48]

I think that depends on your definition of 'decent'.

How often do you use Facebook, go into a school or college or go into town after 7pm ?

I think standards of behaviour and decency are at an all time low...both parents and children.

Hardly surprising when you see the tasteless garbage that is put on our TV screens purporting to be kids programmes, advertising, or 'family entertainment'. :NoNo:

REAL family values are virtually non-existent in this country now, half the kids at school come from broken homes, often foreign children can speak and write better English than our own, consuming enormous quantities of alcohol, and smoking pot appear to be acceptable throughout society, etc,etc.

What is a parent with SOME principles supposed to do against this onslaught ?:angry:

I know, let's import a few THOUSAND Filipino teachers to show this country the true meaning of 'decency' and morality.

Sorry Joe...rant over. :)

[joebloggs]

i was unlucky enough until recenlty to use public transport to get to work and back home at the school rush hours, sure some of the kids are :furious3: and :Cuckoo:, but most are decent enough to say thank you to the bus driver :rolleyes:

oh i agree with most of what you say, but i dont think the rot is as bad as you think :NoNo:

you mean cathloic school teachers :NoNo: