8 Nil to the Predator

[Dedworth]

At least eight al-Qaeda militants - some of whom were German nationals - have been killed in a drone attack in Pakistan, officials have told the BBC.

The suspected US drone fired two missiles at a house owned by a local tribesman in the Pakistani region of North Waziristan, the officials said.

At least three of the dead were said to be German, of Arab or Turkish origin.

There have been 26 such strikes in the area in the past month, killing several high-profile militants.

Analysts have linked the increasing frequency of US drone attacks with current reports of an alleged al-Qaeda plot to attack European cities.

Several countries have issued travel warnings to their citizens, and US intelligence sources have linked the plot to militants in Pakistan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11471185

[Languish]

I know there have been warnings lately - so this is good news in my opinion.

Why cant we all just get along thoug... :rolleyes:

[stevewool]

because someone always have to try and tell you that what you have is not right you should have what they have daft buggers the lot of them :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

More good news - another 5 terrorists blasted by the Predator

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11487352

[somebody]

Wonder if London and other major cities are protected from Drone attacks. I know our air ways are heavily monitored and very busy but surely if they on one way missions they take risks the average stray light plane or helicopter wouldn't with altitude:Erm:

[Dedworth]

Predator/Reaper deals with another 5 terrorists

At least five militants have been killed in a US drone strike in north-western Pakistan, intelligence officials say.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11663490

[aposhark]

Dear me Dedworth,

You really have fallen hook, line and sinker for the US/UK line of bullcrap :NoNo:

You'll be saying the IRA were terrorists next.

There's nowt so strange as folk.

[bornatbirth]

nothing wrong with killing terrorists :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[aposhark]

nothing wrong with killing terrorists :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Maybe you should kill the British for brutally colonizing also, and while you're at it, the Americans for allowing the persecution of the Palestinians.
:NoNo::doh

[Dedworth]

Dear me Dedworth,

You really have fallen hook, line and sinker for the US/UK line of bullcrap :NoNo:

You'll be saying the IRA were terrorists next.

There's nowt so strange as folk.

The IRA are terrorists, likewise Baader Meinhof, PLO, ETA, Abu Sayyaf ,NPA etc along with the vile scum who murdered 52 people and maimed untold others in London on 7/7/2005. It is music to my ears when I hear of missiles being launched at these vermin in their Pakistan hidey holes - the more the merrier :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[aposhark]

The IRA are terrorists, likewise Baader Meinhof, PLO, ETA, Abu Sayyaf ,NPA etc along with the vile scum who murdered 52 people and maimed untold others in London on 7/7/2005. It is music to my ears when I hear of missiles being launched at these vermin in their Pakistan hidey holes - the more the merrier :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I feel that this way of thinking will only cause more innocent deaths :NoNo:

[Dedworth]

Encouraging start to the week another 14 extremists sent to their maker

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/07/drones-kill-suspected-militants-pakistan

Two American drone strikes killed 14 suspected militants in north-western Pakistan on Sunday, local intelligence officials said, in the latest attacks against al-Qaida and Taliban militants.

In the first strike, nine insurgents were killed when two missiles were fired on the town of Ghulam Khan in North Waziristan.

An hour later, another pair of missiles struck a vehicle in the nearby town of Datta Khel, killing five suspected militants.

[Dedworth]

the more islamists who die in drone attacks the better for humanity

Shhhh David you will upset the board islamophile

[les_taxi]

I have not posted on these subjects for a while to keep the piece but I'm totally with Dedworth reguarding extremists:do_it: em

Also this colonial crap I keep hearing Yes we took some liberties but we were a dominant power,are you trying to tell me that if some of these smaller countries were in our position then they would not have done the same:rolleyes:

We colonised lots of countries and educated them too,don't see as many africans boiled in a pan these days.

Most Indians I have ever spoke to are proud of their links with Britain and have class unlike the bloody Pakistanis who encourage terrorism and are one of the biggest bunch of racits you will ever meet.

[aposhark]

The IRA were "supposed to be" terrorists and we would never negotiate with them.
Hey ho, we did.

The Islamic world will negotiate when they are in a position of power also.
Or at least will keep on going until we lose the will to continue in Afghanistan for example.

People who fight for their own land will find willpower beyond belief.

Keep on reading the "Sun" those who beg to differ :laugher:

[aposhark]

forget colonial white remorse, the west needs to take these evil people at their word and when they say that one day they will conquer the uk and everything else. send them back to the desert with a sore bum:xxaction-smiley-047

For lestaxi also:



From Wiki:
Political boundaries drawn by the British did not always reflect homogeneous ethnicities or religions, contributing to conflicts in formerly colonised areas. The British Empire was also responsible for large migrations of peoples. Millions left the British Isles, with the founding settler populations of the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand coming mainly from Britain and Ireland. Tensions remain between the white settler populations of these countries and their indigenous minorities, and between settler minorities and indigenous majorities in South Africa and Zimbabwe. British settlement of Ireland has left its mark in the form of divided Catholic and Protestant communities in Northern Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland). Millions of people moved to and from British colonies, with large numbers of Indians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-resident_Indian_and_Person_of_Indian_Origin) emigrating to other parts of the Empire. These include present day Malaysia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia), Mauritius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritius), Fiji (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiji), Guyana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guyana), Trinidad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinidad), Kenya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya), Uganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda),Tanzania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanzania) and South Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa). Chinese emigration, primarily from Southern China, led to the creation of Chinese-majority Singapore and small Chinese minorities in the Caribbean. The makeup of Britain itself was changed after the Second World War due to immigration to Britain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_Kingdom_since_1922#Post-war_immigration_.281945-1983.29) from the colonies to which it was granting independence.[218] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_imperialism#cite_note-217)

I think we have a lot to answer for. We have a legacy of immigration into the UK because of it, and some racist people on this forum are in denial :NoNo:

[Dedworth]

For lestaxi also:


I think we have a lot to answer for. We have a legacy of immigration into the UK because of it, and some racist people on this forum are in denial :NoNo:

I think you should withdraw the wholly uncalled for Racist accusation - I don't think anyone here is denying that the UK has a long history of immigration. This thread concerns the early demise of islamic terrorists as they scuttle in and out of their Pakistan rat holes.

[bornatbirth]

and some racist people on this forum are in denial[/SIZE] :NoNo:

can we have less of the racist accusations, please :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[aposhark]

the more islamists who die in drone attacks the better for humanity

Isnt this comment racist? :doh

[bornatbirth]

Isnt this comment racist? :doh

well no, why do you consider it racist, the guy... likes other guys and we all know what muslims think of them.

we are talking terrorists here :Erm:

[Englishman2010]

Isnt this comment racist? :doh

I respectfully say that it isn't racist, although it is a very extreme remark. I believe the commentator is referring to hard core fundamentalists in his use of the words Islamists. It would not be considered racist if he had said Far Right Christian Fundamentalists - but it is the same difference.

[Dedworth]

As I've said before the frequent and incorrect use of the racist jibe is socialist sop to any critiscism by the indigenous UK population of multiculturalism, islamic extremism, immigration policy, foreign criminals and prisoners etc.

During the dying months of the last failed Labour Government it fell out of use somewhat as they realised they were losing supporters with Joe Public strongly feeling that mass uncontrolled immigration was wrong and that muslim extremists shouldn't be kow-towed to.

[bornatbirth]

As I've said before the frequent and incorrect use of the racist jibe is socialist sop to any critiscism by the indigenous UK population of multiculturalism, islamic extremism, immigration policy, foreign criminals and prisoners etc.

During the dying months of the last failed Labour Government it fell out of use somewhat as they realised they were losing supporters with Joe Public strongly feeling that mass uncontrolled immigration was wrong and that muslim extremists shouldn't be kow-towed to.

immigration as always been around together with joining the EU it seems worse than it really is, i can understand how people feel when you read the headlines, why do you think immigrants want to come to the uk?

isnt it because were a nation that cares and gives people a chance of a better life, so can we have less of this over reacting :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[aposhark]

So, if the IRA are/were terrorists as you say, why did the UK government negotiate with them?

They hold seats in Nothern Ireland now.

Everything changes, in time.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

[Englishman2010]

I was listening to a debate on Radio 5 a few years ago, they were discussing Yasser Arafat and the Isreali's negotiating with terrorists, but something got lost in translation and they referred to Arafat as Hitch-hiker, not a hijacker :icon_lol:

[bornatbirth]

So, if the IRA are/were terrorists as you say, why did the UK government negotiate with them?

They hold seats in Nothern Ireland now.

Everything changes, in time.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

if it stops them killiing other people, then why not?

its pointless trying the same with bin laden and his friends :Erm:

[aposhark]

if it stops them killiing other people, then why not?

its pointless trying the same with bin laden and his friends :Erm:

There are always two sides to every story.
I would like to know if people who are happy with muslims being killed have ever sat down with any British muslims and had a discussion about anything.
I would love to see them putting some of these anti-muslim points to people around the country.

It is easy to "shout" on a forum about hating this and that, do people ever make time to talk to their fellow British people of other political or racial types to find out more?

I do - I try to find out more wherever I go, even with people from other countries.

I am anti-racist and an atheist and I defend these always.

[bornatbirth]

It is easy to "shout" on a forum about hating this and that


religious threads have been stopped on this forum due to your interaction in them, please can we all make sure that this topic and many others to follow are not stopped in the same fashion!

now lets go and have a nice cup of tea and a hug from the wife :D

btw hows your baby and wife doing :Erm: :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

hi all each to there own i have said and who ever is right or wrong who really cares , we all have views and many are wrong many are right but we live in a society that we all can have that view,
anyway i am here writting tghis after what i saw in london on sunday at speakers corner.
myself and emma was walking through and there was about 5 speakers there shouting there wares , politics, god, some other i could not understand, another one who was rambling and about 30 people that were praying, and yes muslins or who ever they were,
anyway just stopping and listening to them, these 2 people and my view here is thugs, prats and w---kers, got out this flag and started shouting at these people praying, get a job we pay your money the usualy stuff, and there where a few others with them looking for a fight, how i wished i could have comfronted these idiots made me so angry and so wished to tell them what i thought, most proberly these did not work too but being white they thought they where better i think, pushing became more and more and its the white people doing it all,the others just tried to calm everyone down, the police were called but we had gone before then, just makes me wonder who and what is right, all i know is there are better ways to act when trying to say something to others

[Dedworth]

Maybe the blokes shouting "get a job - we pay your money" were making reference to Mohammed Shamsuddin one of the grubs who stood outside the Old Bailey the other day waving placards saying "British soldiers must die" & "Stephen Timms – go to hell" - it is widely reported that this chap is happy enough to collect taxpayer funded benefits from a country he loathes, but can afford to send his children to private schools :crazy:

I'm not sure if they have a Speakers Corner in Riyadh but they certainly have Chop Square

[stevewool]

indeed i for one did not like being there listening to this person shouting and swearing to many that did nothing to warrant it, not so long ago i thought you could be arrested for public offence, its wrong who ever says it but many seem to be able to get away with it, maybe you should get the cops on camera to arrest them , they tell you if you swear they arrest you or call names to people also , so whats the differance when others do it, just a thought

[aposhark]

Maybe the blokes shouting "get a job - we pay your money" were making reference to Mohammed Shamsuddin one of the grubs who stood outside the Old Bailey the other day waving placards saying "British soldiers must die" & "Stephen Timms – go to hell" - it is widely reported that this chap is happy enough to collect taxpayer funded benefits from a country he loathes, but can afford to send his children to private schools :crazy:

I'm not sure if they have a Speakers Corner in Riyadh but they certainly have Chop Square

Moderators?

[aposhark]

religious threads have been stopped on this forum due to your interaction in them, please can we all make sure that this topic and many others to follow are not stopped in the same fashion!

now lets go and have a nice cup of tea and a hug from the wife :D

btw hows your baby and wife doing :Erm: :xxgrinning--00xx3:

bornatbirth, many people had forthright views about religion previously not just me, and yes I am really happy religion is off the forum.

Can't we stop all of this political nonsense now?

My baby daughter is absolutely gorgeous thanks very much :xxgrinning--00xx3:

She is a Fil-Brit beauty, like her yummy mummy :Jump:

[stevewool]

you are very lucky there to have 2 beauties in your household:)

[bornatbirth]

bornatbirth, many people had forthright views about religion previously not just me, and yes I am really happy religion is off the forum.

Can't we stop all of this political nonsense now?

My baby daughter is absolutely gorgeous thanks very much :xxgrinning--00xx3:

She is a Fil-Brit beauty, like her yummy mummy :Jump:

will there be any topic left we can debate, sadly for you others will have a different point of veiw.

[keithAngel]

Its ironic really that racism is also a state sponsered pass time in the Phils Judges here can find against the foriegner just because if you wernt here it wouldnt have happened:Erm:

Im shocked to find religeon off limits though I always enjoyed our often witty exchanges Apo how could you:icon_lol:

Racism albeit vield is also a feature of us Brits so im not suprised to find it here or its defence and justification

As to the "drones" just part of the Industrial/Military econamy after all no point having such weapons if you dont try them out:rolleyes:

[keithAngel]

religious threads have been stopped on this forum due to your interaction in them, please can we all make sure that this topic and many others to follow are not stopped in the same fashion!

now lets go and have a nice cup of tea and a hug from the wife :D

btw hows your baby and wife doing :Erm: :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I cant find any thing on the rules page:Erm:

[fred]

I cant find any thing on the rules pagehttp://filipinaroses.com/../images/smilies/Erm.gif

Neither can I.. In fact admin has already today stated that in the loose talk section we can open a topic about whatever we wish.

[purple]

either way I look at it, it is the same. One is doing exactly the same as the other. They both have guns and ammunition, they both have seen blood. The world as I see it have gone upside down because of too much stupid idealism. Exterminating them is not the answer... but then again they are thinking of exterminating the west too and rule the world.

[les_taxi]

We are allowed to air our views on here and that's good,no one asks people to get involved in something they don't like or find offensive and if they don't want to participate then that's up to them.

I am not a racist but also I'm not a fan of Islamic extremism too and it needs to be stamped out.

People standing on soap boxes in London screaming messages of hate want taking out,I mentioned this before that would I be able to do the same in Pakistan?

Not a bloody chance as was pointed out to me I would have my throat slit within seconds by an angry crowd,The preachers of hate in UK are very lucky we don't resort to the same barbaric tactics here.

Yes we live in this failing "multi cultural" society but it was an experiment which maybe has proved to be a failure regarding hard core Muslims,They want a Islamic state as they have said many times.

It aint going to happen and I have discussed this with many people young and old,posh and not so posh and without leading them on they are sick of these extremists and I think if a wave of bombings happened in UK then the **** would literally hit the fan and there would be clashes all over the country.

[aposhark]

you are very lucky there to have 2 beauties in your household:)

Thanks Steve,

We went to the supermarket the other day and lots of ladies told me she was the cutest girl.
The baby is beautiful too :laugher:

[Dedworth]

Moderators?

Something about this makes me hark back to my school days and reminds me of the few kids who used to run squealing to the Teacher :vomit-smiley-011:

[Tawi2]

north-western Pakistan
I was based there in the very early 90's,excellent people if your on the right side of them,but even though I had decent pathan mates I wouldnt fancy my chances were I to return nowadays:xxaction-smiley-047

[aposhark]

Something about this makes me hark back to my school days and reminds me of the few kids who used to run squealing to the Teacher :vomit-smiley-011:

Where they Muslim children being chased by racists?
Racist views would get children expelled by the way :xxgrinning--00xx3:

As it should :)

[Dedworth]

Where they Muslim children being chased by racists?
Racist views would get children expelled by the way :xxgrinning--00xx3:

As it should :)

No there weren't any Muslims at my primary school - the squealers were consistently unpopular halfwits

[aposhark]

No there weren't any Muslims at my primary school - the squealers were consistently unpopular halfwits

Well if you are lucky enough to have children that will go to a modern British school, it would be a good idea to bring them up with the right sympathetic beliefs that would echo our multicultural society.
Whatever you do, make sure they do not have any racist ideas; they will grow up elitist and ultimately depressed as they will not fit in.

As you are married to a Filipina, keep encouraging them to love different peoples.

Make sure they concentrate mostly on these mixed race beliefs and not always to get bogged down in politics.

[bornatbirth]

arent you two getting tired of replying to each other :Erm:

go on, kiss and make up :D

[aposhark]

arent you two getting tired of replying to each other :Erm:

go on, kiss and make up :D

It would be nice if he posted on Fil-Brit issues, the reason he doesn't is that he wants this forum to be used for his nonsensical extremist viewpoints.

[bornatbirth]

so why keep replying, i dont agree with a lot dedworth says either, i have a good :icon_lol: chuckle at his rant at times :D

[aposhark]

My post 48 answered your last question.
You also post a lot, I believe :doh

Everyone can post what they want, and most people post about allsorts as well as ones pertaining to their wives, kids or matters related to the Philippines.

[bornatbirth]

i have a good chuckle at your rants too! :icon_lol:

[aposhark]

i have a good chuckle at your rants too! :icon_lol:

Likewise :icon_lol:

[Notavirusalso]

"I don't believe we can defeat no 'Axis of Evil' by putting smart bombs in the hands of dumb people." Billy Bragg

[Dedworth]

Well if you are lucky enough to have children that will go to a modern British school, it would be a good idea to bring them up with the right sympathetic beliefs that would echo our multicultural society.
Whatever you do, make sure they do not have any racist ideas; they will grow up elitist and ultimately depressed as they will not fit in.

As you are married to a Filipina, keep encouraging them to love different peoples.

Make sure they concentrate mostly on these mixed race beliefs and not always to get bogged down in politics.

My 12 year old son came back from school yesterday and said "We've been talking about the poppy burning - why do we allow them to insult our traditions and soldiers, we wouldn't do it if we were in their countries?"

I'm glad the teachers are not politically correct apologist Islamophiles and allow the discussion his class were having. Incidentally the School had a 2 minute silence at 11am on the 11th and will not be pandering to any minority religions by closing for Eid next Tuesday

[aposhark]

This country is really getting to you :laugher:

Any Fil-Brit issues to share with us or comment on this week?

4444

[Dedworth]

This country is really getting to you :laugher:

Any Fil-Brit issues to share with us or comment on this week?

4444

Not really Wife's back in Luzon to see the folks, I'm told weather's hot & sticky there.

A bit of a non news week hopefully there will soon be some more reports from N W Pakistan of The Predator/Reaper speeding a few more grubs on their way to the 70 odd virgins.

[grahamw48]

I certainly hope so. :)

[Dedworth]

I certainly hope so. :)

They're averaging a couple a week at present, the more the merrier.

In 2008 I had breakfast with some RAF chaps in Las Vegas who were operating the Predator - they seemed to get a lot of job satisfaction :D

[aposhark]

Not really Wife's back in Luzon to see the folks, I'm told weather's hot & sticky there.

A bit of a non news week hopefully there will soon be some more reports from N W Pakistan of The Predator/Reaper speeding a few more grubs on their way to the 70 odd virgins.

Ah, your first comment about Fil-Brit relationships, well done :Jump:
Which will mean retaliation here again, you just don't get it poor lad :NoNo:
Bigger picture, bigger picture - take the blinkers off :laugher:

[aposhark]

My 12 year old son came back from school yesterday and said "We've been talking about the poppy burning - why do we allow them to insult our traditions and soldiers, we wouldn't do it if we were in their countries?"

I'm glad the teachers are not politically correct apologist Islamophiles and allow the discussion his class were having. Incidentally the School had a 2 minute silence at 11am on the 11th and will not be pandering to any minority religions by closing for Eid next Tuesday

We are in their countries :crazy::doh and getting more of our soldiers killed every week too :NoNo:
How many more of our young soldiers do we have to sacrifice?
And for what? :yikes:

[aposhark]

I certainly hope so. :)

So, you enjoy seeing our soldiers coming home in boxes? :yikes: :bigcry:

I don't :NoNo:

[aposhark]

They're averaging a couple a week at present, the more the merrier.

In 2008 I had breakfast with some RAF chaps in Las Vegas who were operating the Predator - they seemed to get a lot of job satisfaction :D

I lived in the States for many years and one friend in Maryland made these drones.
He hoped they would not be used all the time as there would be more of his comrades killed in retaliation :NoNo:

Such a sad depressing story every week in the US and UK :bigcry:
Brize Norton has never been busier, and no real reason for us to be in Afghanistan. :NoNo::NoNo::NoNo:
Even the soldiers don't know why they're there :yikes:

[KeithD]

Even the soldiers don't know why they're there :yikes:
All the soldiers and airmen I know are very aware of the reasons they are there. They don't think about dying, they just do the job they are there for.

As for the drones, I've been passed Creech AFB near Las Vegas a few times, and that is where the Afghan drones are controlled from. Must feel great blowing up a few Taliban, finishing work, and then going off to a casino not giving a :furious3: :icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

So, you enjoy seeing our soldiers coming home in boxes? :yikes: :bigcry:

I don't :NoNo:

DON'T credit me with YOUR assumptions.

I can express my own views, thanks.

[aposhark]

DON'T credit me with YOUR assumptions.

I can express my own views, thanks.

I did not mean to put words into your mouth, I thought you would have noticed it was only rhetoric :rolleyes:

[David House]

Some of the comments in this thread seem pretty offensive to me. I have no doubt that taking action against extremists is a necessary action but should we really glory in it? For me is is a sad reality and not something I take any pleasure in. The fact that these people are taught to believe as they do is very unfortunate but I don't feel that that makes them evil people, just misinformed ones. Please also don't forget that there is bound to be "colateral damage" so women and children will also lose their lives. Taking pleasure in such acts only feeds the hatred and makes things worse. Much better to show some compassion.

[Steve.r]

Much better to show some compassion.

How do you show compassion to a veiled extremeist with a suicide waistcoat on?? It does not help one tiny bit. The whole point of using such tools as the Predator is to weed out the preechers who brainwash the few gullable ones who will waste their own lives in the name of their faith. If the preechers felt so dedicated to their faith, wouldn't they also want to wear a suicide waistcoat also and do the sickening deed? Compassion is not a word these extremeists understand.

[Dedworth]

Much better to show some compassion.

:laugher:

Good job despite Neville Chamberlains best efforts we finally didn't show this attitude to Hitler.

If you give these zealots an inch they will take a mile, they need to be rooted out and destroyed whether they are in N W Pakistan or Dewsbury.

[aposhark]

How do you show compassion to a veiled extremeist with a suicide waistcoat on?? It does not help one tiny bit. The whole point of using such tools as the Predator is to weed out the preechers who brainwash the few gullable ones who will waste their own lives in the name of their faith. If the preechers felt so dedicated to their faith, wouldn't they also want to wear a suicide waistcoat also and do the sickening deed? Compassion is not a word these extremeists understand.

Was invading Iraq and Afghanistan compassionate? :doh
:NoNo::NoNo::NoNo:
If the UK was invaded, would you lie down or retaliate?
Would you fight back in any way you could.
If someone used force like intercontinental ballistic missiles that you couldn't even see, would you just take it?

[Englishman2010]

Was invading Iraq and Afghanistan compassionate? :doh
:NoNo::NoNo::NoNo:
If the UK was invaded, would you lie down or retaliate?
Would you fight back in any way you could.
If someone used force like intercontinental ballistic missiles that you couldn't even see, would you just take it?

If the UK was attacked of course we would retaliate. However the difference is that these preachers of hate are not Iraqi or Afghan, in fact the majority claim to be British when it suits them. It's fair enough to defend your own country, but not one you weren't born in and have never been to.

[David House]

I did not suggest that we show compassion in all circumstances, only that to glory in the attacks is ultimately self defeating as it stokes the hatred. What I suggested was to show SOME compassion for the unfortunate innocents who, through no fault of their own, get killed or maimed.
I fully recognise that there is a need to take action and that a policy of appeasement with such a movement will not work. What I argue against is the responses to such action. The armed forces themselves understand very well that they need to capture hearts and minds alongside taking forcefull action and we have a duty not to make things worse for them. Imagine some of the words written here being copied and posted onto a Muslim forum. Would they help or hinder the efforts of our forces?

[keithAngel]

Well said David:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Such ignorant and illinformed retoric should I guess be also given compassion it is a sad comentary on the sucsess of the fear mongering and deliberate devide and conquer mentality of our Political Masters regardless of their party,s so called hue.

We move ever closer to loosing the freedoms so hard won by our forebears and into the mire of totalitarian control

[grahamw48]

Did you read that in a book ? :laugher:

I for one will continue to exercise my right to free speech, and will not be silenced by 'compassionate' people who appear to live in some sort of imaginary world of candy and cuddles.

Nobody is stopping the do-gooders from taking themselves off to Afghanistan or wherever, and bestowing their milk of human kindness upon those in need.

I'm sure the Taliban will be delighted to meet them.

The presence of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan is entirely for political reasons, and is doomed to failure as a military exercise of course.

Since we don't have conscription, our boys and girls out there are in theory free to choose not to take part.

However, as my govt. have decided that certain muslim terrorists are our enemies, and that these enemies may decide to blow me up at any time anywhere in the world, I do feel that they (muslims) are worthy of a little extra attention. Sorry if some of their noses get put out of joint, but that's life.

The Japanese seemed to survive ok after being locked up in internment camps in America. We haven't reached that stage yet.

[KeithD]

Everyone is entitled to Free Speech.... well at least until I hit the BAN button :laugher:

[les_taxi]

Correct me if I am wrong but did not Iraq invade kuwait :doh

Seems so long ago people seem to have forgotton:NoNo:

[David House]

At no time have I suggested that freedom of speech be curtailed! It is our most precious right and needs to be defended above all. That though is not to say that it should be excercised without forethought and restraint especially when speaking your mind might produce a negative result. Rights must be balanced with responsibilies and it is surely incumbent on us as a developed, modern society to demonstrate to the ignorant that we have a better way of behaving. I don't seek to deny anyone their right to express an opinion, just as I am expressing mine which is to counsel restraint in your choice of language. By the way, these thoughts are entirely my own and owe nothing to any books I might have read.

[grahamw48]

Ref. books....I was referring to keithAngel's response. ;)

Yes, it is wonderful to contemplate our modern developed society, and to pity the ignorant. :rolleyes:

Let us also pause to consider how we arrived at this elevated state, AND with the freedoms that we currently enjoy. :)

[keithAngel]

Ref. books....I was referring to keithAngel's response. ;)

Yes, it is wonderful to contemplate our modern developed society, and to pity the ignorant. :rolleyes:

Let us also pause to consider how we arrived at this elevated state, AND with the freedoms that we currently enjoy. :)

Nothing very "modern" or "developed"or "compassionate" in your posts on a thread celebrating tekno death of unknown persons Graham:bigcry: I will give you a rep since no one else will :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

I don't think you comprehend sarcasm.

I don't need or seek 'rep', but I thank you for the thought. :)

[keithAngel]

I dont understand sarcasm:signs136:

[Dedworth]

I missed this one - 20 gave up extremism on Tuesday:waver:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11763113

Twenty suspected militants have died in a US drone strike in north-western Pakistan, Pakistani officials say.

They say two missiles struck a vehicle in the Bangi Dara area of North Waziristan, killing four foreign militants early on Tuesday.

Eleven militants are said to have died when a drone fired four missiles at a home nearby. It is not clear where the other five died.

[Dedworth]

3 - 0.................. Sunday 28 Nov

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CAoFDpupTaY/SGugumh51oI/AAAAAAAAAwg/Uzp7G6wxxuM/s400/drone_pic%5B1%5D.jpg

US drone attack kills three militants in Pakistan

by Staff Writers
Miranshah, Pakistan (AFP) Nov 28, 2010

A US drone attack targeting a vehicle travelling in Pakistan's lawless northwestern tribal belt near the Afghan border killed three militants on Sunday, local security officials said.

The unmanned aircraft targeted the vehicle in Hasan Khel village, around 30 kilometres (20 miles) east of Miranshah, the main town in North Waziristan tribal district, and a known hub of Islamic militants.

"US drone fired two missiles, the vehicle is still on fire, we have reports that three militants were killed in this attack," a local security official in Miranshah told AFP.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/US_drone_attack_kills_three_militants_in_Pakistan_officials_999.html

[joebloggs]

why dont they use drones to sink the Somalia pirates :rolleyes:

[Dedworth]

why dont they use drones to sink the Somalia pirates :rolleyes:

I think that ought be done by what's left of the Royal Navy and other countries warships

[joebloggs]

even better and i'm sure many people would like this idea, send a load of drones of the sea near somalia and put the feed from the on board cameras on the web some people around the world can watch it, if they spot something, they click on an icon and alert the navy, who can do more checks b4 getting the drone to sink it :rolleyes:

just like http://interneteyes.co.uk/index.html
you be doing every citizens duty and getting paid for it :Jump: