Jail this vile piece of rubbish

[Dedworth]

Cenotaph hooligan is son of Pink Floyd star: Cambridge history student in riot outrage says he didn't know what memorial stood for

The long-haired lout who defiled the Cenotaph is the son of millionaire Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/10/article-0-0C6B1E83000005DC-954_634x528.jpg


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337506/Tuition-fee-vote-riot-Pink-Floyd-stars-son-says-sorry-insulting-Britains-war-dead.html#ixzz17l8bfOhF

On par with the recent poppy burning scum this filthy scrote needs a good hiding :cwm23: I hope there are numerous ex servicemen itching to dish it out. I remember my Grandad telling me men used to take their hats off as a mark of respect in the 30's as they passed the Cenotaph - it just goes to show how far into the cesspit this country has sunk.

[mikey73]

[QUOTE=Dedworth;261678]Cenotaph hooligan is son of Pink Floyd star: Cambridge history student in riot outrage says he didn't know what memorial stood forQUOTE]
:angry::NoNo:
i had to read that twice as i couldnt believe it first time. a HISTORY STUDENT at CAMBRIDGE didnt know what the cenotaph stood for! eh! what kind of student of history is he. hopefully as they know who he is, there might be something he police can charge him with.

[KeithD]

Jailed for swinging on a flag :Erm: ...... if we jailed people for showing a lack of respect then more than half the population of the UK would be banged up :doh

[les_taxi]

No lets me nice to the lad:)

Next time he is up my way I will drop him in the ex-servicemen's club and he can tell his "new friends" all about it:icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

The average Filipino seems to be able to spell (English) better than most of our school-leavers too.

It appears to me that our education system is geared around quantity rather than quality these days.
- No such thing as mental arithmetic, and appalling grammar.

One particular habit that irritates me no end is spelling LOSE loose. :angry:

[stevewool]

prats like this should be finned thousands infact tens of thousands . spelling well i cannot coment , i am poor at that myself

[lordna]

Many years ago my daughter attended her first day at Michael Hall kindergarten .. a steiner schoo, she was about 5 as was Gilmorel. That same day Gilmores son stuffed her scarf down a drain and i believe it was the same Gilmore as aboveas he attended the same school. My daughter has never forgotten how this asshole ruined her first day..and nor have i.

Hope he get the treatment he deserves

[johncar54]

WE are back to the same old idea that committing criminal damage to a war memorial is a particular crime. It's not. He could and should be charged with criminal damage. As he has a high profile father it may do some good as others may be deterred. In most cases it is almost a waste of time to charge criminal damage if the value of the damage is low, as any court sentence would be low too.

(PS I don't want to get into the argument that I might not have respect for the war heroes: I am just stating what the actual UK law is)

[Arthur Little]

Cenotaph hooligan is son of Pink Floyd star: Cambridge history student in riot outrage says he didn't know what memorial stood for

The long-haired lout who defiled the Cenotaph is the son of millionaire Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour.

In the photo ... "HE" looks more like a "SHE", :D to be honest!

[Dedworth]

WE are back to the same old idea that committing criminal damage to a war memorial is a particular crime. It's not. He could and should be charged with criminal damage. As he has a high profile father it may do some good as others may be deterred. In most cases it is almost a waste of time to charge criminal damage if the value of the damage is low, as any court sentence would be low too.

(PS I don't want to get into the argument that I might not have respect for the war heroes: I am just stating what the actual UK law is)




Yesterday, legal experts said Gilmour could be prosecuted under the Public Order Act for threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace, on the basis that his act could have caused grave offence to war veterans.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337506/Tuition-fee-riot-Charlie-Gilmour-mob-surrounded-Charles-Camillas-car.html#ixzz17pq14664

[Arthur Little]

his act could have caused grave offence to war veterans

Grave offence? You bet ... senseless acts like this - on top of the poppy-burning fiasco - are enough to make our revered war heroes turn in their graves!!! :cwm23:

[les_taxi]

He caused offence to the majority of the public,a public flogging should be his punishment in my opinion:cwm23:

[bornatbirth]

hes just young and stupid, why dont we strap a bomb to him and send him off to kill some muslims :Erm:

[les_taxi]

hes just young and stupid, why dont we strap a bomb to him and send him off to kill some muslims :Erm:

Best to alter that to read Islamic extremists or you will get stick on here :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

It's time god made religion against the law.:angry:

[Tawi2]

If that was a kid of mine I would hang my head in shame,he deserves a good kicking :rolleyes:

[Dedworth]

He's been arrested

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE6BB11H20101212

I hope for a swift court appearance, remanded in custody over Christmas and a daily beating in jail from ex military warders and convicts.

[Ako Si Jamie]

hes just young and stupid, why dont we strap a bomb to him and send him off to kill some muslims :Erm:

Don't forget there are Muslims in Mindanao. :Erm:

[bornatbirth]

Don't forget there are Muslims in Mindanao. :Erm:

im joking the last we need to do is blow each other up, it wouldnt surprise that some would like this to happen, yes your right there are very nice muslims all over the world and im sure the filipinos in mindanao are very nice but is spoiled by the few extremists :Erm: :D

[Dedworth]

The Mail has just published a pic of this specimen trying to set light to the Supreme Court Doors

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/13/article-1337874-0C7368DA000005DC-567_634x430.jpg

The Pink Floyd guitarist’s son seen swinging on the Union Flag at the Cenotaph was arrested yesterday on suspicion of criminal damage and violent disorder.

Charlie Gilmour, 21, who is the adopted son of musician David Gilmour, caused national outrage when he grabbed the Union flag during the tuition fees riots in London last Thursday.

Fresh pictures have now emerged of him piling newspapers outside the Supreme Court and attempting to set fire to them with a lighter.

At this point, a policeman intervened to kick the impromptu bonfire apart. - a shame he didn't kick Gilmore apart


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338187/Charlie-Gilmour-pictured-trying-set-Supreme-Court.html#ixzz17zdVGaRK

[johncar54]

If this picture is that of Gilmore, and more importantly if it can be proved (or he admits it's him) then he could face some very serious charges (attempted arson)

"Discretionary Life Sentences
Imprisonment for Life - this is the maximum sentence for those over 21 convicted of a serious offence, e.g. manslaughter, attempted murder, rape, armed robbery, arson etc.."

[Dedworth]

If this picture is that of Gilmore, and more importantly if it can be proved (or he admits it's him) then he could face some very serious charges (attempted arson)

"Discretionary Life Sentences
Imprisonment for Life - this is the maximum sentence for those over 21 convicted of a serious offence, e.g. manslaughter, attempted murder, rape, armed robbery, arson etc.."

:xxgrinning--00xx3: My fingers are crossed.

I wonder why attempted arson charges weren't laid against the poppy burning scum , they were outside a building which could have caught fire ? - then again they are part of the ethnic enemy within who generally escape prosecution.

[johncar54]

:xxgrinning--00xx3: My fingers are crossed.

I wonder why attempted arson charges weren't laid against the poppy burning scum , they were outside a building which could have caught fire ? - then again they are part of the ethnic enemy within who generally escape prosecution.

There is a very wide gap between 'could have caught fire' and trying to set a building on fire. It reminds me of a police joke that when all else has failed a person might be charged under the 'Breathing Act ! '

As for the 'cheap' comments about foreigners, to me that borders on racism and it would seem to me that it is a lot closer to a possible offence than the one you quoted 'might have caught fire.'

[grahamw48]

What does 'foreigners' have to do with racism ?

Only to the politically correct who are in the process of screwing up our culture. :rolleyes:

There are dozens of foreign countries where the indigenous population is primarily Caucasian.

Religion has NOTHING to do with racism.

Please think before you post.

Dedworth is perfectly entitled to air his views, and for the self-righteous among us, there probably isn't a person on this planet who isn't without some sort of prejudice.

Thank goodness we don't all resort to bombing innocent people in Stockholm, where I might add, my ex resides and where my son will be going to spend his Xmas holidays.

The actions of immigrant terrorist scum DO affect all of us.

FACTS here: The bomber was an immigrant from Iraq, has a wife and children in Luton, and was a Muslim.

Let's all just keep quiet about it eh ? :NoNo:

[Arthur Little]

The Mail has just published a pic of this specimen trying to set light to the Supreme Court Doors

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/13/article-1337874-0C7368DA000005DC-567_634x430.jpg

Fresh pictures have now emerged of him piling newspapers outside the Supreme Court and attempting to set fire to them with a lighter.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338187/Charlie-Gilmour-pictured-trying-set-Supreme-Court.html#ixzz17zdVGaRK

:rolleyes: ... bit of ars*in' around, eh?

[Dedworth]

What does 'foreigners' have to do with racism ?

Only to the politically correct who are in the process of screwing up our culture. :rolleyes:

There are dozens of foreign countries where the indigenous population is primarily Caucasian.

Religion has NOTHING to do with racism.

Please think before you post.

Dedworth is perfectly entitled to air his views, and for the self-righteous among us, there probably isn't a person on this planet who isn't without some sort of prejudice.

Thank goodness we don't all resort to bombing innocent people in Stockholm, where I might add, my ex resides and where my son will be going to spend his Xmas holidays.

The actions of immigrant terrorist scum DO affect all of us.

FACTS here: The bomber was an immigrant from Iraq, has a wife and children in Luton, and was a Muslim.

Let's all just keep quiet about it eh ? :NoNo:

:xxgrinning--00xx3:Spot on Graham - as I've said many times before the New Labour/Politically Correct "Racist" jibe is often moronically thrown at anyone who strays from the multicultural/diverse/equality mantra. I don't believe I mentioned race/nationality/religion in post 22 :crazy:

[Arthur Little]

He's been arrested

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE6BB11H20101212

:xxgrinning--00xx3: Good ...


I hope for a swift court appearance, remanded in custody over Christmas *and a daily beating in jail from ex military warders and convicts.

... :iagree: ... but - without the *second bit!

[johncar54]

Graham if you really cannot see the point I was making I am very surprised

Quote ' …...... the poppy burning scum ….... then again they are part of the ethnic enemy within who generally escape prosecution'

I admit do not have any real in-depth knowledge of what is needed to constitute sufficient evidence to bring a prosecution relating to 'racism' however, I have the gut feeling that the comment goes at least very close to being actionable in both the criminal and civil courts. I hope that anyone who considers the remarks include them, do not read this forum, as there are many 'leftist' lawyer who would delight in considering an action on a no win no fee basis.

[les_taxi]

:xxgrinning--00xx3:Spot on Graham - as I've said many times before the New Labour/Politically Correct "Racist" jibe is often moronically thrown at anyone who strays from the multicultural/diverse/equality mantra. I don't believe I mentioned race/nationality/religion in post 22 :crazy:

Totally correct Dedworth.

[grahamw48]

I will not be cowed by the politically-correct brigade, or their hypocritical money-hungry lawyers....not when my heritage is at stake, and my personal safety and that of my family ! :cwm23:

There are young British men dying in Iraq and Afghanistan to protect the right to democracy of the people there, yet in our own country the powers-that-be are too naive, or more likely too self-interested to recognise that MY country is being set up as another Bosnia not too far down the line.

Human nature will not be changed by laws, directives and soppy wishful thinking.

[les_taxi]

I will not be cowed by the politically-correct brigade, or their hypocritical money-hungry lawyers....not when my heritage is at stake, and my personal safety and that of my family ! :cwm23:

There are young British men dying in Iraq and Afghanistan to protect the right to democracy of the people there, yet in our own country the powers-that-be are too naive, or more likely too self-interested to recognise that MY country is being set up as another Bosnia not too far down the line.

Human nature will not be changed by laws, directives and soppy wishful thinking.

Me too Graham:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[johncar54]

The young men who are dying in Afghanistan and Iraq are there because mainly the USA supported by the UK Government decided, for reasons not totally apparent as of yet, to invade those countries. In doing so they seemed to fail to comprehend that in doing so they were likely to antagonise certain groups who, correctly of otherwise, would believe the action was specifically against them. When Germany invaded France the French not unreasonably tried to kill Germans.

I am constantly surprised that instead of criticisingly the people who commit atrocities, members of this multicultural forum in particular, put them into 'imaginary' ethnic groups. I live in Spain, I am thankfully aware that I am not grouped as being 'one of those bloody Brits who come over here to rape and kill our girls.' Tony King (a Brit) was condemned not for being British when he was convicted of murdering two Spanish girls, but for being a murderer.

I hope our spouses are not condemned as being 'bloody foreigners who come over to sponge off us' rather than Filipinos who are married to Brits, nor the Brits married to Filipinos living in the Philippines as 'those B.........ds who are taking advantage of our women' even though some fall within that descriptivism.

I have every contempt for anyone who breaks the law. That they maybe from an ethnic or religious group, or look different from us, may be disabled, or not speak English etc. does not put them into a category which should be discriminated against.

One does not have to racist to love their country and to support it.


Human nature will not be changed by laws, directives and soppy wishful thinking.


Nor by being anti anything !

[Arthur Little]

Anyone ... regardless of nationality, ethnic origin or religious persuasion ... who engages in behaviour likely to endanger the lives of decent, law-abiding citizens anywhere should be made to face the consequences :xxsmilie_auslachen: of his/her actions. End of story!

[Dedworth]

I will not be cowed by the politically-correct brigade, or their hypocritical money-hungry lawyers....not when my heritage is at stake, and my personal safety and that of my family ! :cwm23:

There are young British men dying in Iraq and Afghanistan to protect the right to democracy of the people there, yet in our own country the powers-that-be are too naive, or more likely too self-interested to recognise that MY country is being set up as another Bosnia not too far down the line.

Human nature will not be changed by laws, directives and soppy wishful thinking.

Well said Graham :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[johncar54]

Anyone ... regardless of nationality, ethnic origin or religious persuasion ... who engages in behaviour likely to endanger the lives of decent, law-abiding citizens anywhere should be made to face the consequences :xxsmilie_auslachen: of his/her actions. End of story!

And Arthur I am sure you would agree that every law abiding citizen has the right not to be categorised.

[Dedworth]

The young men who are dying in Afghanistan and Iraq are there because mainly the USA supported by the UK Government decided, for reasons not totally apparent as of yet, to invade those countries. In doing so they seemed to fail to comprehend that in doing so they were likely to antagonise certain groups who, correctly of otherwise, would believe the action was specifically against them. When Germany invaded France the French not unreasonably tried to kill Germans.

I am constantly surprised that instead of criticisingly the people who commit atrocities, members of this multicultural forum in particular, put them into 'imaginary' ethnic groups. I live in Spain, I am thankfully aware that I am not grouped as being 'one of those bloody Brits who come over here to rape and kill our girls.' Tony King (a Brit) was condemned not for being British when he was convicted of murdering two Spanish girls, but for being a murderer.

I hope our spouses are not condemned as being 'bloody foreigners who come over to sponge off us' rather than Filipinos who are married to Brits, nor the Brits married to Filipinos living in the Philippines as 'those B.........ds who are taking advantage of our women' even though some fall within that descriptivism.

I have every contempt for anyone who breaks the law. That they maybe from an ethnic or religious group, or look different from us, may be disabled, or not speak English etc. does not put them into a category which should be discriminated against.

One does not have to racist to love their country and to support it.


Human nature will not be changed by laws, directives and soppy wishful thinking.


Nor by being anti anything !

I'm thinking of printing this out and hanging it on the nail in my outside kharzi. Until you tossed it in at post 23 there wasn't a mention of "Racist" the thead was about anarchists and students running riot in Central London.

Using 'racist' as a perceived insult at the people who just want to keep society decent is wearing a bit thin.

[johncar54]

ethnic enemy within

Sorry, but that seems to at the very least close to being a racist remark, I used the word 'foreigner' in the context that most references to ethnic groups here SEEM to refer to non indigenous English.

[grahamw48]

It may SEEM that to you.

I have two very brown and very Filipino step-children who I think the world of, not to mention my precious 50% Filipino son.

You are implying that I am a racist, which I most certainly am not.

I'll say it again.
You are confusing certain members' views on certain minority sections of society with racism.

Take the blinkers off and try considering the big picture.

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/998/negs60318229352.jpg

[les_taxi]

It may SEEM that to you.

I have two very brown and very Filipino step-children who I think the world of, not to mention my precious 50% Filipino son.

You are implying that I am a racist, which I most certainly am not.

I'll say it again.
You are confusing certain members' views on certain minority sections of society with racism.

Take the blinkers off and try considering the big picture.

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/998/negs60318229352.jpg

Gorgeous pic Graham:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[johncar54]

ethnic enemy within

Graham.

If your children or wife, or mine, were included in a group described as the 'ethnic enemy within' I personally would be very offended as I an sure you would.

I see no acceptable reason in most cases of crime to mention a persons appearance, race or religion.

A person who commits any crime is a criminal, plain and simple. Not a black, brown, Muslim, Filipino etc one.

So fine say those b*******s who burn poppies should rot in hell, but don't say they are part of any group, the majority of whom are decent, law-abiding citizens. Say the laws should be changed to ensure that more people who commit crime get punished if that is what you think and put your effort where your mouth is and go out and lobby those who can change the law. You will have my total support.

And I was not saying your are a racist, but that your remarks may well have been

[grahamw48]

And here...my beautiful fiancee who tragically was killed in an accident...years before I went to the Phils and met the ex.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9113/debbieincervinia.jpg

Guess I'm a real racist. :rolleyes:

[grahamw48]

i see no acceptable reason in most cases of crime to mention a persons appearance, race or religion.

So using that logic, the fact that a person is from a minority group has no significance in law then. :Erm:

[johncar54]

So using that logic, the fact that a person is from a minority group has no significance in law then. :Erm:

In most cases, Exactly

[grahamw48]

You need to read the employment laws. :icon_lol:

[johncar54]

Graham how did I know you were setting a trap !!!!!!!!

But I did say in most cases and we were talking about crime.

.

[grahamw48]

That's ok.

Looking at the fly on the wall cop shows these days, committing crime does seem to have very little to do with appearing in a court of law. :NoNo:

[johncar54]

Looking at it from Spain, thank goodness I don't live in UK, I would agree with you, but don't get me started on the absolute failure of the Criminal, so called, Justice System in UK !!!!!

[Dedworth]

ethnic enemy within

Graham.

If your children or wife, or mine, were included in a group described as the 'ethnic enemy within' I personally would be very offended as I an sure you would.

I see no acceptable reason in most cases of crime to mention a persons appearance, race or religion.

A person who commits any crime is a criminal, plain and simple. Not a black, brown, Muslim, Filipino etc one.

So fine say those b*******s who burn poppies should rot in hell, but don't say they are part of any group, the majority of whom are decent, law-abiding citizens. Say the laws should be changed to ensure that more people who commit crime get punished if that is what you think and put your effort where your mouth is and go out and lobby those who can change the law. You will have my total support.

And I was not saying your are a racist, but that your remarks may well have been

Here we go again this is the same nonsense you came out with in my Insult To Decency thread. I'll take the liberty of copying and pasting what I said then :-


let's assume there is a CCTV image of a black man committing an armed robbery, on the wanted poster would your politically correct Police Force make no mention of the fact that he was ic3 Afro Caribbean and use Photoshop to whitewash his face ?

With regard to the Stockholm suicide bomber the Daily Mail in their report use the words Iraqi-born, Muslim & Islamic. I don't think the Editor will be quaking in his boots waiting for some no win no fee writ to land on his desk :D Full write up here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337930/Sweden-bomb-probe-Stockholm-blast-suicide-bomber-radicalised-Luton.html

[bornatbirth]

Here we go again this is the same nonsense you came out with in my

:Erm: one could say the same after reading your posts but one wouldnt be so rude :D

[Sim11UK]

Dedworth, I "know" you well enough through the forum & I know we've had a run-in, in the past...Even become quite fond of you. :D Take a lot of what you say with a pinch of salt, at times even agree with you.

But in this case, I agree with johncar & others will too, "the ethnic enemy within" could easily be construed as a racist remark, even if you don't agree? Yeah I know you're going to call me a woolly liberal & I'm really not going to get into an arguement. You'll probably interpret what I'm saying differently anyway?

But this is a public forum & there are many guests online, at any one time. I wouldn't want any genuine racists picking up on certain remarks like that & adding fuel to their fire. I'm married to a Filipina & I want her time here, if we live here? to be as smooth as possible. There is a lot of racial tension already, in this country & this affects all of us.

Johncar was also right, you do have to be careful what you post on a public forum. Where I used to work, a work colleague was sacked, along with two others from another office, over remarks they were making on an internet public forum. :doh The Bosses had been watching them for a while & swooped, escorting them off the premises.

[Dedworth]

Dedworth, I "know" you well enough through the forum & I know we've had a run-in, in the past...Even become quite fond of you. :D Take a lot of what you say with a pinch of salt, at times even agree with you.

But in this case, I agree with johncar & others will too, "the ethnic enemy within" could easily be construed as a racist remark, even if you don't agree? Yeah I know you're going to call me a woolly liberal & I'm really not going to get into an arguement. You'll probably interpret what I'm saying differently anyway?

But this is a public forum & there are many guests online, at any one time. I wouldn't want any genuine racists picking up on certain remarks like that & adding fuel to their fire. I'm married to a Filipina & I want her time here, if we live here? to be as smooth as possible. There is a lot of racial tension already, in this country & this affects all of us.

Johncar was also right, you do have to be careful what you post on a public forum. Where I used to work, a work colleague was sacked, along with two others from another office, over remarks they were making on an internet public forum. :doh The Bosses had been watching them for a while & swooped, escorting them off the premises.

I don't see how "ethnic enemy within" can be construed as racist - there is most definately an enemy within and it comes from a certain, perhaps not ethnic, but religious persuasion. The same situation would appear to apply in Sweden as recent events have proved.

Johncar has used the racist taunt at me a few times in its standard New Labour /Politically Correct guise. This is as a response to anyone who has the temerity to criticise the problems caused by the multicultural cesspit Blair, Brown and Co deliberately created by throwing open our borders to untold criminals, chancers, health tourists, extremists etc. This is the cause of the racial tension you mention. In the dying days of the last Govt when they realised the game was up they did a u turn and accepted that immigration was an issue.

I'm sure if/when you get your wife here you won't experience any problems as no doubt within reason she will make a point of quickly adapting to the UK, will go about her life quietly and with dignity. Other than that nasty piece of 50% Pinoy Chindamo I don't think I've seen, read or heard anything negative in the UK about folk from The Philippines.

It is very easy for the John Cars of this world to sit and pontificate about 21st Century Britain in sunnier climes - if he was living on low income in a drug and crime ridden sink estate in Burnley, sending his kid to a school where 90% of the other kids speak English as a foreign language he'd be singing from a very different hymn sheet

[bornatbirth]

It is very easy for the John Cars of this world to sit and pontificate about 21st Century Britain in sunnier climes - if he was living on low income in a drug and crime ridden sink estate in Burnley, sending his kid to a school where 90% of the other kids speak English as a foreign language he'd be singing from a very different hymn sheet

do you :icon_lol:

seems to me your ranting on behalf of others, i see cameron wants to release prisoners do you want some living near you :D

[Sim11UK]

Well good points made above & I agree mostly & thanks for your words of encouragement, regarding my wife.

Still think that "the ethnic enemy within", has a nasty ring to it?...just gives an air of tension? if someone was to pick up on it, who dosen't know your "style". :)

[Arthur Little]

:Erm: one could say the same after reading your posts but one wouldnt be so rude :D

:cwm24: Eh? ... you just have been ... by implication! :D

[Dedworth]

seems to me your ranting on behalf of others, No I don't


i see cameron wants to release prisoners do you want some living near you :D

Not heard of this one but local councils keep the location of bail/offender/paedophile houses pretty quiet - I know of one 400 metres from royal land :icon_lol: so they don't just put them in crap areas. Ken Clarkes a limp wrister who will be out when Cameron reshuffles the pack

[johncar54]

Just for the info of some.

I have no interest in any particular political party and it seems I am presenting reasoned argument as I have been accused in various post of being everywhere from far left to far right.

I still maintain that in MOST cases it is not appropriate to mention a persons skin colour, nationality, religion etc.

Of course if the police issue a description of a person who is wanted then that is a clear exemption as everyone knows a description is just that.

But, if for example I had an accident and the other driver was a white male, it is unlikely that I would mention it, so why is it OK to mention it if they are anything other than male and white ?

If they were not white and male it may pass though my mind to say so, but I know that would be racist and maybe sexist on my part.

Those who cannot see that distinction, albeit they may be married to a person of another race, that does not remove the inference that they are being racist.

For those who still do not want to understand what I am saying: If I said a stupid, fat, black woman, with tattoos drove into my car, rather than saying a person just drove into my car, then that would be a racist and sexist comment. The fact that I am married to a Filipino woman would not alter that.

I hope that makes my point clearly enough for all to understand.

[grahamw48]

Nope, I believe if you had called her a black b*****d, then that would be racist.

The description you gave above would merely be a statement of facts. (Well the 'stupid' could be open to debate :icon_lol:).

[bornatbirth]

what if a filipina drove into your car, what would you tell the police :Erm:

[les_taxi]

Nothing wrong with describing the person,if a Chinese women backed into my car and drove off I would say a Chinese woman drove into my car:cwm23:
Stop being scared it may offend ffs say it how it is:xxgrinning--00xx3:


Often the term "bald headed man is used" am i going to take offence at that:NoNo: It's an accurate description.
We often use features,colours,weight,height to describe someone.

If it was a black,fat,tall person who crashed into my car and was wearing a burka I might say Muslim too-so what big deal.

So people in this country need to grow some balls.

[grahamw48]

Would the colour of the car that hit you and then drove off be irrelevant too ? :rolleyes:

[bornatbirth]

Often the term "bald headed man is used" am i going to take offence at that:NoNo:

only because it gets said so often your used to it :icon_lol:

[bornatbirth]

Would the colour of the car that hit you and then drove off be irrelevant too ? :rolleyes:

only if was black or non white :Erm:

[Dedworth]

Would the colour of the car that hit you and then drove off be irrelevant too ? :rolleyes:

I think in his book it would and for that reason the hit and run driver becomes a repeat offender.

[johncar54]

Would the colour of the car that hit you and then drove off be irrelevant too ? :rolleyes:

Sorry Graham but you have introduced the element that 'the car drove off.' I did not say that, thus you have distorted the context.

If had I had been describing a hit and run, then I think it must obvious to almost all, as I said above, that you would be giving a description of the driver and car.

However, had you been recounting the incident to a friend, then that would have been racist, in the context you would have been using it.

As I said, had the person been white you would be unlike to include in your account of the accident to friend 'a white man.'

That's the difference. It is where even people who consider themselves not racist display their unconscious, racist or sexist, proclivities.

As for :-I believe if you had called her a black b*****d, then that would be racist.

The word 'b*****d' (a noun: a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child) is not racist.

In your context, it would be just insulting and extremely bad mannered. The word 'black' makes it racist.

About 20 years ago a police inspector was reduced in rank to sergeant because he called a colleague a 'Black B********d

[joebloggs]

About 20 years ago a police inspector was reduced in rank to sergeant because he called a colleague a 'Black B********d[/COLOR]

would he got the same treatment if he called them a 'Ginger B*******D or 'Lanky B*******D' ? etc

[grahamw48]

Well I would have fired the police officer.

[Dedworth]

Todays good news

Charlie Gilmour charged over student protest violence

The son of Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour has been charged with violent disorder during a protest against increased tuition fees in London.

Charlie Gilmour, 21, of Billinghurst, Sussex, is also accused of stealing a mannequin leg on 9 December.

He is due at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court on 10 February.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12303637

Max sentence 5 years imprisonment - Judge please take note

[Sim11UK]

Charlie Gilmour, 21, of Billinghurst, Sussex, is also accused of stealing a mannequin leg on 9 December.


He didn't have a leg to stand on. :doh

[Dedworth]

He didn't have a leg to stand on. :doh

:icon_lol: The cocky Cambridge undergraduate won't be smirking now, he'll be digging out the brown trousers after seeing how that other germ got jailed for throwing the fire extinguisher :D

[imagine]

mmmmmm this thread is very deep , the racist thing, im not racist, but can anyone tell why the robertsons gollywog was racist, the black and white minstrels, nigger brown, ooops am i allowed to say that, dont i have freedom of speach , bring back our heritage,,bring back,,,,, ba ba enthnic colourd sheep, this country is destined to become a muslim country, well thats my view stewart an xpat of bradford, having being ethnicly cleansed , i believe in when in rome live as the romans do:doh

[jimeve]

Britain,Islamic state, that's the way its going:omg:

i won't be here btw :Hellooo:

[Dedworth]

mmmmmm this thread is very deep , the racist thing, im not racist, but can anyone tell why the robertsons gollywog was racist, the black and white minstrels, nigger brown, ooops am i allowed to say that, dont i have freedom of speach , bring back our heritage,,bring back,,,,, ba ba enthnic colourd sheep, this country is destined to become a muslim country, well thats my view stewart an xpat of bradford, having being ethnicly cleansed , i believe in when in rome live as the romans do:doh

Imagine ......It's just the usual suspects - handwringing apologists - I can't wait for the Poppy Burners next court appearance - 23 Feb I think, watch this space :D

[Arthur Little]

mmmmmm im not racist, but can anyone tell why the robertsons gollywog was racist, the black and white minstrels, nigger brown, ooops am i allowed to say that, dont i have freedom of speach , bring back our heritage,,bring back,,,,, ba ba enthnic colourd sheep, this country is destined to become a muslim country, well thats my view stewart an xpat of bradford, having being ethnicly cleansed , i believe in when in rome live as the romans do:doh

Neither am I racist, Stewart ... but :iagree: with you 100%. In fact, I was just saying to Myrna - this very evening - how, as kids, we were able to hire Golliwog costumes through Robertson's sales rep who used to call regularly at my Aunt Sally's grocery shop in the Perthshire village of Glenfarg back in the 1950s.

[Arthur Little]

Aye :rolleyes: ... those were the days, eh!? "Freedom of speech" ... and a lot more relaxed they were too!! :anerikke:

[Arthur Little]

i won't be here btw :Hellooo:

:cwm24: ... why? Where will you be, Jim?

[grahamw48]

mmmmmm this thread is very deep , the racist thing, im not racist, but can anyone tell why the robertsons gollywog was racist, the black and white minstrels, nigger brown, ooops am i allowed to say that, dont i have freedom of speach , bring back our heritage,,bring back,,,,, ba ba enthnic colourd sheep, this country is destined to become a muslim country, well thats my view stewart an xpat of bradford, having being ethnicly cleansed , i believe in when in rome live as the romans do:doh

I was engaged for 3 years to a beautiful black girl, until tragically she was killed in an accident.

She used to COLLECT Robertson's Golliwog badges. :)

Some people just have a chip on their shoulder.

As you say 'do as the Romans do'.

[Dedworth]

If I'm not mistaken the Robertsons Golliwog was one of the first things the zealots banned :angry:

[flyaway]

I don't think daddy loved him enough and he has to have everyone's attention. Don't jail him, just ignore him, that'll feel like the end of the world to him.

[Dedworth]

The grub has made a court appearance - obviously Daddy's got people working on his image

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/25/article-0-0B55BD6200000578-749_233x305.jpg

Fresh faced, with a short, neat haircut and a collared shirt, the Charlie Gilmour who appeared in court today bore little resemblance to the long-haired, combat boot-wearing protester who took part in a student fees riot in central London.

The son of guitar legend Dave Gilmour is accused of taking part in a mob attack on a royal convoy on December 9.

He made a brief appearance in City of Westminster Magistrates' Court looking every inch like the young public school-educated, Cambridge University student he is.

Wearing a blue shirt, navy jumper and black trousers, Gilmour spoke only to confirm his name, address and date of birth.

It was a far cry from his previous look of dishevelled hair, muddy jeans, latex gloves and carrying a red flag branded with the words 'revolution'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370073/Court-appearance-change-Pink-Floyd-stars-son-Charlie-Gilmour-sports-clean-cut-new-look-faces-judge-royal-attack.html#ixzz1HjuBRZZy

[joebloggs]

but they missed his ex public school tie with a Windsor knot :D

[jerry46]

Sometimes I wonder about our judges.

[Dedworth]

Hopefully it wont be too long before Gilmour gets cut down to size. One of the unwashed wept as he got 12 months yesterday :xxgrinning--00xx3:

The university dreams of a student with ‘exceptional promise’ were shattered last night after he was jailed for rioting during protests against Government cuts.

Francis Fernie, 20, became embroiled in a violent stand-off with police outside luxury goods retailer Fortnum and Mason as 500,000 demonstrators brought London to a standstill in March.

Damning CCTV footage showed him drunkenly throwing sticks that had been used to hold placards at officers who were struggling to calm a surging mob.

Fernie, who was described as having a ‘social conscience and active interest in politics’, recently sat his A-levels and was expected to take up an offer to study science at Sheffield Hallam University.

But within days of completing his exams he travelled to London from York for the protests. He wept as he was jailed for 12 months at Kingston Crown Court yesterday after admitting violent disorder.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2012647/Tuition-fees-protests-Drunk-student-Francis-Fernie-20-jailed-year.html#ixzz1Re1q2vpW

[joebloggs]

:xxgrinning--00xx3: no doubt he'll serve only a few months in the big house, but it will teach him a lesson he never will forget :D

[Dedworth]

:xxgrinning--00xx3: no doubt he'll serve only a few months in the big house, but it will teach him a lesson he never will forget :D

With any luck he'll be sharing a cell in The Scrubs with Big Bubba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gErsF7hKQv8

[grahamw48]

'He travelled to London from York' ? Hmm. :Erm:

Hope my lad hasn't been hanging around with him.:)

Actually he's on a 'sleepover' at a girl's house tonight.
- Jammy bugger.

In my day her old man would have come after me with both barrels. :NEW4:

[Dedworth]

Maximum sentence please Your Honour

The shamed son of Pink Floyd guitarist Dave Gilmour was ‘thoroughly intoxicated’ when he attacked the royal convoy during the student fees riots, a court heard yesterday.

Charlie Gilmour, 21, was seen swinging on the Union Flag at the Cenotaph just hours before he hurled a bin at a car escorting the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall.

The disgraced Cambridge University student also jumped on the bonnet of the car, which was carrying close protection officers, blocking the driver’s view of the Prince’s Rolls-Royce in front, it was claimed.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2014801/Pink-Floyds-David-Gilmour-turns-court-son-Charlie-Gilmour.html#ixzz1S7uBR6I3

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/14/article-0-0D02247F00000578-528_634x674.jpg

[joebloggs]

it looks like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, nicely dressed .. for prison :D

[Dedworth]

it looks like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, nicely dressed .. for prison :D

He needs to be wearing his brown trousers today

[ozzmantel]

He needs to be wearing his brown trousers today

Haha true, he shouldn't be treated any differently just because his father was famous. Drunked idiot.

[Dedworth]

12:38 Disappointing that the Judge only gave him 16 months - he'll be bawling his eyes out now in the cells. Big Bubba's waiting for him :D

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8639930/Pink-Floyd-guitarists-son-Charlie-Gilmour-jailed-for-drug-fuelled-rampage.html

[Dedworth]

Simpering mother is trying to get sympathy for her "poor gentle boy". How I wish the grub had committed is vandalism and desecration in Singapore, he'd be unable to sit down now serving the full 16 months. :cwm23:

Student rioter Charlie Gilmour is being locked up for 23 hours a day, according to his mother.

Novelist Polly Samson also says he has been offered pick-pocketing lessons by another prisoner.

Miss Samson, 49, who is married to Pink Floyd guitarist Dave Gilmour, was devastated when her son was jailed for 16 months after showing the ‘ultimate disrespect’ to Britain’s war dead by swinging from the flag on the Cenotaph.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2021239/Charlie-Gilmours-mother-Polly-Samson-tweets-My-boys-locked-23-hours-day.html#ixzz1Tr3KABpl