English Language Test in Cebu? [Archive]

View Full Version : English Language Test in Cebu?

Breakfast

25th January 2011, 00:38

Any suggestions on where to take the A1 English Language Test in Cebu?

My fiancee has to take the test, despite a Bachelors Degree in Primary Education.

I am sure she could pass a higher level test, so any suggestions on higher level tests which would be recognised in the UK for employment?

joebloggs

25th January 2011, 00:52

IELTS - but i'm not 100% sure it is acceptable, i would have thought so, as it's probably the most recoognised and useful of all the english tests.

keithAngel

25th January 2011, 11:09

Whats your timescale i literaly just got back from Cebu City to my little provicial town but i will make enquireys soon:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Breakfast

25th January 2011, 12:14

Whats your timescale i literaly just got back from Cebu City to my little provicial town but i will make enquireys soon:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Quite soon, as my fiancee expects her annulment by March 1st and we are both keen she gets to UK ASAP.

Breakfast

25th January 2011, 12:16

IELTS - but i'm not 100% sure it is acceptable, i would have thought so, as it's probably the most recoognised and useful of all the english tests.

IELTS is acceptable and, depending on how well you do in the test, you can get higher grades too. So, it does seem a good test.

joebloggs

25th January 2011, 14:22

IELTS would be more useful than the other tests, my wife had to take the Academic version of IELTS.
its a day long test, but widely recognised.

keithAngel

26th January 2011, 07:26

Quite soon, as my fiancee expects her annulment by March 1st and we are both keen she gets to UK ASAP.

Why dont you drop an email to Moya the brit consul in Cebu:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Chikky

26th January 2011, 12:27

Hi Breakfast,
I know a testing center in cebu accredited by the british embassy to that ESOL test. If you have facebook account add me up and i can give u the complete info..

Terpe

26th January 2011, 14:18

Hi Breakfast,
I know a testing center in cebu accredited by the british embassy to that ESOL test. If you have facebook account add me up and i can give u the complete info..

Why not add your information here on the forum. It may well help others.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Breakfast

26th January 2011, 15:00

Hi Breakfast,
I know a testing center in cebu accredited by the british embassy to that ESOL test. If you have facebook account add me up and i can give u the complete info..

Your Facebook link does not work, unfortunately. Can you provide the information on here, or is that not allowed?

keithAngel

27th January 2011, 06:22

Always best to go to the source as I suggested e mail Moya Jackson this is a new requirement and not all Philipine business operate in a totaly ethical way:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Chikky

27th January 2011, 06:25

Hi Breakfast,
Im not sure about it but this is my facebook thelifejourney2008@yahoo.co.uk.. hope to chat to u soon...

keithAngel

27th January 2011, 06:55

I have emailed Moya will update what she says:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Breakfast

27th January 2011, 08:28

I have emailed Moya will update what she says:xxgrinning--00xx3:

I have already heard back from her. She knows nothing of A1 tests as the Consulate has no involvement in visa matters.

keithAngel

27th January 2011, 08:33

Brit embassy then i guess:rolleyes:

Josieyam65

27th January 2011, 09:33

febmary

27th January 2011, 10:13

HI josieyam,

Did you undergo for a review? or self review? Goodluck and your informations will be a big help for those applicants near Cebu just like me. I might consider this in my future application.

febmary

Josieyam65

28th January 2011, 03:26

Hello febmary,
Thank you.
And i'm only doing the practice tests in the internet.
Are you going to Cebu? or Manila for the test?

keithAngel

28th January 2011, 05:46

Hello Breakfast,

Take a look at this link:
http://www.vfs-uk-ph.com/images/2010_12_02_A1_Testing.pdf
Its the list of test providers that are assessed as meeting the UK Border Agency’s requirements for testing English at A1 level in the Philippines.

I hope this will help.

That pdf shows "theodalite " for Cebu and there has already been some contraversy on another thread over that company I have written to the Brit Embassy will await there list:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Josieyam65

28th January 2011, 06:00

@keithAngel: Can you tell me what are the controversies about the Theodolite?

Sir, can you go to this VFS Global link:
http://www.vfs-uk-ph.com/news.aspx
then click the "here" in the 22 November news.

Im just wondering, why did they include Theodolite on their list on the VFS Global site if they're not one of the approved test providers?
I'm confuse now.

febmary

28th January 2011, 07:54

HI JOsieyam,
Il prefer Cebu is there is a center to get the test. When are u going to take the test. Do you have any link for any reviews in the internet? Thanks....

Ann

keithAngel

28th January 2011, 09:36

Can someone help with the threadlink Im refering to it may be fine I would want the link myself from the embassy not a third party:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Dedworth

28th January 2011, 10:59

Breakfast

28th January 2011, 21:08

Here is a list of English Language schools in Cebu. I am not sure which ones offer the A1 test:

ALTA Language Academy www.altacebu.com
American International Training Institute www.aiticebu.com
Asia Pacific College www.apc.edu.ph
CDU ESL Center www.cduesl.com
CIA (Cebu International Academy) www.cebucia.com
Cebu International School www.cis.edu.ph
Cebu Languages www.cebulanguages.com
Centre for International Education www.cie.edu
Cleverlearn English Language Institute www.cleverlearncebu.com
Harvest Christian School International www.hcsinternational.org
Southeast Asia English Experience Institute www.southeastasiaenglish.com
Theodolite Training www.theodolite-training.com
Toouchasis Contact Solutions www.touchasia.com

The Centre for International Education tell me they have offered the A1 test in the past and may do so again by April, 2011

Theodolite Training do offer the A1 test but there have been questions raised about its integrity.

Another alternative is to try the British Council who do have test centre in Cebu, but they seem unable to say which of their tests is accepted by the UK Border Agency for the A1 test.

keithAngel

29th January 2011, 00:40

interestingly CIPILs were Alans working is not on the list but IS the biggest English School here in Cebu

posthome

29th January 2011, 10:03

The thread showing how Theodolite make misleading approval/accreditation claims and how they've recently transferred their teaching expertise from Energy Advising to English Language is here

http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/28245-English-Language-Test?p=269591&highlight=#post269591

I think I ought to clear up a couple of misconceptions that seem to be flying around this forum.

The reason I was involved with Energy Saving courses in the UK is because the college I was working for as a trainer/assessor went into liquidation, as did a number of similar institutions around the same time.

I, as did my colleagues, lost a great deal of money from unpaid salaries, etc., and anyone who has ever been caught up in a situation like this knows how painfull this all is, especially at my age.

The collapse of the college left hundreds of students completely stranded having paid a lot of money for courses, with little or no hope of ever achieving their initial aims.

I was approached by many of these students to see if I could help them complete the courses and I agreed. This was at a very minimal cost to them, generally covering the ABBE registration and examination fees. PPC a registered ABBE assessment centre with whom I had worked with prior to the collapse agreed that I could process these students through their centre, which I did.

Do I regret ever agreeing to helping these guys, absolutely not, and if anyone, as on this forum, think I should not have, then you need to speak to the guys who are now working as Assessors in the UK as they had originally intended.

As far as the testing centre here in Cebu is concerned, we are a registered training centre for EDI and offer the ELSA English test which is approved by the UK Border Agency.

This is not a 'get rich quick scheme' as has been implied by people who have obviously no idea what it costs to set up a centre with computers, internet, etc., . For each test we offer we have to pay a large percentage to EDI for the administration and recording of each test, which leaves us very little to cover the enormous overheads required..

I have spent a great deal of my life within education and I get great pleasure out of helping people achieve their goals. I am sorry if this offends people on this forum.

There were some inconsistancies on my websites but these were completely unintentional and have been corrected.

The 'questions' over my centre name is due to the fact that my website in the UK is 'theodolite.net', and I have used this for many years as an important part of the online courses that I use to run. Setting up the centre here I was not permitted to use the same name as apparently there are many companies here using the name 'theodolite', and 'training'. The final name 'Theodolite Training Group UK Incorporated is the closest that I could have.

As mentioned elsewhere on this forum, I am a registered learning provider in the UK and as I continue to help the remaining few candidates from the collapsed college I did not feel that it was incorrect or misleading to mention this on our sites. I have since removed the statement.

Since starting our centre here in Cebu on December 27th, we have had almost 20 visa applicants successfully pass their A1 test, and have had their applications approved. Some of these sat their test with us on Saturday or Sunday, and occasionally late in to the night.

I would just close in saying that, as a registered EDI Training centre in Cebu City, we were asked if we would be prepared to offer the A1 test to UK visa applicants, and this was not our initial intention.

If any of you would like to visit our centre then you will be made very welcome.

Peter

Howerd

29th January 2011, 23:12

Since starting our centre here in Cebu on December 27th...

As posthome only started his centre on December 27, 2010 it is quite surprising to find that the "College Flyer' already has seven testimonials from satisfied students of Theodolite Training Group in the Philippines...

http://www.theodolite-training.com/school.pdf

But are these testimonials really for Theodolite Training Group in the Philippines? Well, we also see the same testimonials on another website run by posthome, that presumbably pre-date his 'move' to the Philippines...

http://home-energy-advisor.org.uk/say.html

But can we prove these 'testimonials' pre-date the opening of Theodolite Training Group's centre in the Philippines? Yes we can! Here is the proof from the Google Cache of Home Energy Advisor website dated 27 November 2010...

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FCAr8Cm1XP8J:home-energy-advisor.org.uk/say.html+http://home-energy-advisor.org.uk/say.html&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk

So, posthome opened his centre in Cebu on 27 December, 2010 but the seven testimonials for the training supposedly offered at that centre were published on or before 27 November, 2010. How can that be?

keithAngel

30th January 2011, 03:21

Touche.

I have no idea if this is simply a case of Posthome using past sucsess in a seperate legal entity to promote a new venture,It is true that skill and ability transfer with the Directors but the opposite may also be true , for me this is ONLY about getting acurate information ,direct from the Embasy , so there can be no mistake

Since you have chosen to defend your prices what I would say is 10,000 piso is what a VERY good local English teacher might earn in a month how much are you charged by the EDI ?

keithAngel

30th January 2011, 08:13

Recieved a reply from the Brit Embassy

Greetings from UK VAC!

Anyone applying to settle in the United Kingdom after 29 November 2010
is required to show that they have the necessary level of knowledge of
the English language and life in the United Kingdom equivalent to A1 of
the Common European Framework Reference or basic knowledge of the
English language. Please see attached file for your references regarding
the British Embassy's accredited English Proficiency testing centres in
the Philippines. Also, kindly take note that you may only lodge your
visa application if you have already taken the English Proficiency exam,
and that you have been given your test result.

Sincerely,
VFS Helpline UK VAC

They sent me an attachment that has already been posted and Theodolite ARE approved in Cebu:xxgrinning--00xx3:

www.vfs-uk-ph.com

Howerd

30th January 2011, 10:14

The 'questions' over my centre name is due to the fact that my website in the UK is 'theodolite.net', and I have used this for many years as an important part of the online courses that I use to run. Setting up the centre here I was not permitted to use the same name as apparently there are many companies here using the name 'theodolite', and 'training'. The final name 'Theodolite Training Group UK Incorporated is the closest that I could have.

Theodolite is not a very common word! So, just how popular is that word for companies based in the Philippines? Any Philippines company has to be registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the SEC have a website which allows anyone to check for the existence of ANY word in any of the companies based in the Philippines. You can do so here...

1. http://www.sec.gov.ph/

2. Click on Search Reserved/Registered Companies

3. Enter the single word Theodolite into the search box

4. Click on Show companies that contain the given words

5. Click Search

Hey presto, there is just ONE company listed in the Philippines which contains the word Theodolite in its name:

THEODOLITE CONSTRUCTION AND SUPPLY

In other words, there are NO companies in the Philippines showing on the publically-available SEC register that contain the words Theodolite and Training - not even Theodolite Training Group UK Inc!!!

joebloggs

30th January 2011, 10:36

I think I ought to clear up a couple of misconceptions that seem to be flying around this forum.

The reason I was involved with Energy Saving courses in the UK is because the college I was working for as a trainer/assessor went into liquidation, as did a number of similar institutions around the same time.

I, as did my colleagues, lost a great deal of money from unpaid salaries, etc., and anyone who has ever been caught up in a situation like this knows how painfull this all is, especially at my age.

:Erm: yes i've been caught up in situations like that a few times, you lost a 'great deal' of money ? why did you work for months without being paid ?? :Erm:

If your employer is legally insolvent then you would have been able to make a claim for your lost wages, redundancy pay and other payments relating to your work. so i dont see how you could have 'lost a great deal of money' :Erm: or claimed from The Insolvency Service's Redundancy Payments Offices

Howerd

30th January 2011, 11:57

In order to show that Theodolite Training Group Incorporated is NOT a registered Philippines company I have started the RESERVE COMPANY NAME procedure on the SEC website...

http://iregister.sec.gov.ph/MainServlet

You have to go through a few steps before finally reaching here...

My List of Companies > Verify and Reserve Company Name > Update User Profile > Sign Out

Step 4 | Verify Company Name
Click Continue to accept proposed name and proceed to Review your Profile. Click Back to discard current proposed company name and verify another.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

- Checking your proposed name against:
>> Offensive words ... PASSED
>> Internationally known foreign corporations ... PASSED
>> Registered names ... PASSED
>> Reserved names ... PASSED
>> Company-owned words ... PASSED
>> Restricted words in accordance to existing laws ... PASSED

- Proposed Company Name is Available!

Proposed Company Name: THEODOLITE TRAINING GROUP UK INCORPORATED

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Can anyone offer any explanation why I can reserve a company name that posthome claims is his?

Howerd

30th January 2011, 18:49

In an earlier post post on this thread:

http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/29233-English-Language-Test-in-Cebu?p=270479#post270479

I showed that testimonials for Theodolite Group UK, in Cebu (by supposed satisfied students) were written at least one month before the centre was opened on 27 December, 2010.

But I have found a testimonial supposedly written by a Theodolite Training Group student coramia7 some months earlier; 2nd August, 2010 to be precise: Look near the bottom of the page here...

http://www.qype.co.uk/place/1365074-Theodolite-Training-Cebu

So, just who is this lone student that posted this rave review almost 5 months before Theodolite Training UK opened their doors to students? It is known that posthome's wife is called Cora, so could coramia7 be posthome's wife?

Have a look at this website...

http://www.istorya.net/forums/household-appliances-and-accessories/326789-items-for-sale-check-it-out-7.html

and find the post which reads...

Can you send me the pics to coramia7@yahoo.com

Read the username for the person who posted that. It is Theodolite. What a coincidence!

So, let's look at an earlier post (3 April, 2010) by Theodolite on the same forum...

http://www.istorya.net/forums/career-center/277992-have-fun-learning-english-online.html

It seems that Theodolite joined the forum in April 2010 specifically to promote Theodolite Training who only opened their centre over 8 months later! Who would do that other than the people involved in setting up Theodolite Training Group - that is Peter and Cora Thwaites.

Theodolite has already associated themselves with the name coramia7, so I suggest, in all probability, that Cora Thwaites, is coramia7 (the student in August 2010) and Theodolite (the promoter of Theodolite Training Group in April 2010)

Howerd

30th January 2011, 23:39

A quick glance on www.theodolite-training.com shows a picture of a man lecturing to a class of at least sixeteen Asian students. Ignoring the anomalous claim in text near that picture: you study in small groups of less than 8 students can we be sure that the photo really is the centre that posthome opened on 27 December, 2010?

Right clicking on the picture reveals the following file name:

http://www.theodolite-training.com/images/tom.jpg

The questions just who is Tom? Could he be the lecturer in the picture and where else might his picture be found? It only took a few minutes to find the same picture here...

http://www.lcci.org.uk/why-offer-lcci-iq.asp

So, that seems ok then. Theodolite Training is accredited by the EDI and the EDI is licensed by the LCCI (London Chamber of Commerce & Industry) and the students do look Asian so, maybe that picture was really taken at posthome's Theodolite Training Centre in Cebu, especially as Theodolite does offer LCCI Examinations Board qualifications.

But, wait a moment, Tom (the very person in that picture) is a former employee of EDI who left EDI some months before posthome opened his centre to students on 27 December, 2010. So how could Tom be photographed for the EDI website, teaching at posthome's training centre before it had even opened?

What I do note is the pictures on the two sites are identical in terms of picture size, resolution, file size and file name!

Howerd

31st January 2011, 00:19

Elsewhere on this forum I raised doubts about the payment methods for courses offered by Theodolite Training Group UK. There are several payment options listed across two websites...

http://www.theodolite-training.com/payment.html
https://www.secure.theodolite.net/Cards.pdf

The payment methods are:

1. By Paypal to Peter Thwaites
2. By bank transfer to Corazon Carvellida's bank account in Cebu
3. By Bank transfer to Mrs Corazon Thwaites bank account in the UK
4. By cash in US Dollars
5. By Paypal to broadmark1@yahoo.com
6. By Debit or Credit card
7. By bank transfer to Theodolite Training Group UK's bank account in Cebu
8. By Western Union to Peter Thwaites

That is certainly ample payment menthods but each of them has to be questioned; in the Philippines, a training centre such as Theodolite Training Group UK has to be a registered company with the SEC and that company also has to be registered as an education provider. Neither sole traders nor partnerships can register as an education provider, it must be an incorporated company.

Given some of the payment methods above, this would almost certainly not satisfy the requirement for posthome's business to be trading as a company. I have already raised doubts that posthome's business is even registered as a company earlier in this thread, since there is no record of the company on the SEC website.

Posthome did, in an e-mail to me, offer the excuse that most students pay direct into the bank account of Theodolite Training Group UK. But if that organisation is not a registered company, posthome is trading illegally, irrespective of the payment method used.

keithAngel

31st January 2011, 04:12

Still approved though

Josieyam65

31st January 2011, 04:33

Howerd

31st January 2011, 08:12

Still approved though

Theodolite Training Group UK Inc. does appear on a VFS list, but according to the website of the SEC (who maintain a register of all Philippines companies), there is no such company as Theodolite Training Group UK Inc. If the company does not exist, it cannot possibly be 'approved'.

Josieyam65

31st January 2011, 08:33

@Howerd: Do you know another VFS approved test provider in Cebu?

Howerd

31st January 2011, 09:23

@Howerd: Do you know another VFS approved test provider in Cebu?

Strictly speaking, there is no longer any 'approval' required by centres offering the A1 test. Approval by the UK Border Agency was, apparently, a requirement when the A1 tests were introduced but that requirement was soon dropped. Awarding bodies do have to show that the tests they provide do meet the UKBA A1 test standard and the test offered by Theodolite Training does meet that standard.

Given that the A1 test offered by Theodolite Training is one approved by the UKBA, it would appear that if you did pass the test with Theodolite Training you would satisfy UKBA requirements. But, if Theodolite Training is not a registered company, I would question how long they can continue to trade.

The only other provider of the A1 test I know of in Cebu is the British Council.

keithAngel

31st January 2011, 09:51

You might want to take this up Howard with the Brit Embassy they dont show the Bitish council in Cebu on the pdf link they attache??:xxgrinning--00xx3:

pain2k

31st January 2011, 10:26

oh yeah... it is approved alright... I had my A1 test at their school... And I can see that their establishment is legitimate... I saw their SEC and BIR REGISTRATIONS, and it's authentic. If you want to know the real deal "Howard", I challenge you to go to their establishment... To see is to believe... Hahaha... Your a funny guy "Howard" (sarcastically)... ^_^

Howerd

31st January 2011, 10:30

You might want to take this up Howard with the Brit Embassy they dont show the Bitish council in Cebu on the pdf link they attache??:xxgrinning--00xx3:

As I indicated, there is no approval required by UKBA for organsations, such as Theodolite Training, who offer the A1 test. It is is only the qualification that needs to be recognised by the UKBA. Similarly, neither the British Embassy, nor the VFS really give approval to organisations offering the test.

The inclusion of any business on the VFS list only arises if the awarding body (such as EDI) makes contact with the British Embassy saying they (eg EDI) have approved a new centre (such as Theodolite Training). I actually have e-mails (sent to me by postome) which indicate this is how Theodolite Training is included on the VFS list.

So, the only 'approval' for Theodolite Training Group UK comes from EDI. I will be taking this matter up with EDI as well as the LCCI (London Chamber of Commerce and Industry), since EDI offers LCCI Inernational qualifications. It is my opinion that EDI should not give approval to training centres where those training centres do not conform to legal requirements in the country they are based. If Theodolite Training is not an incorporated company in the Philippines, it is certainly trading illegally.

The fact that the British Council is not on the VFS list is really just a commercial decision by the British Council. They do offer tests that satisfy the A1 test requirements and they are included on the UKBA list.

Howerd

31st January 2011, 10:38

joebloggs

31st January 2011, 12:00

Still approved though

and so were all the dodgy colleges over your local take away b4 they were suspended or removed from the tier 4 lists :D, and b4 anyone says anything, i'm not saying theodolite is, becuase i know nothing about them

but howerd you would make a great detective :rolleyes:

pain2k

31st January 2011, 14:10

As you have only just joined today. I will ignore your comments.

so what if i only joined... it doesn't mean that i don't know nothing... let me just say "The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get"... What you're doing is so senseless and unfair... Now ignore me, it only goes to show that your a "COWARD"... hahaha... How pathetic you are... tsk... tsk.. :crazy:

pain2k

31st January 2011, 14:21

and so were all the dodgy colleges over your local take away b4 they were suspended or removed from the tier 4 lists :D, and b4 anyone says anything, i'm not saying theodolite is, becuase i know nothing about them

but howerd you would make a great detective :rolleyes:

No offense joebloggs, but i don't think he could be a great detective... not at all... he doesn't even know how to gather facts from fiction... all i can say to Howeird "congratulations for knowing nothing" ooowwww... :hubbahubba: :NoNo:

Howerd

31st January 2011, 14:39

so what if i only joined... it doesn't mean that i don't know nothing... let me just say "The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get"... What you're doing is so senseless and unfair... Now ignore me, it only goes to show that your a "COWARD"... hahaha... How pathetic you are... tsk... tsk.. :crazy:

*

Howerd

31st January 2011, 14:41

pain2k

31st January 2011, 18:00

*

Just a dot? awe... too bad... i was starting to like you "Detective Coweird"... ow ow... sorry i mean "Howerd" :icon_sorry:

pain2k

31st January 2011, 18:09

Don't worry "Howeird d Coweird" if u can't supply any facts then I'm here to help u... Just don't go running off like a chicken, alright... It's just a little pain in d :action-smiley-081: from the "Pain" itself... rock'n roll!!! \m/

joebloggs

31st January 2011, 19:43

No offense joebloggs, but i don't think he could be a great detective... not at all... he doesn't even know how to gather facts from fiction... all i can say to Howeird "congratulations for knowing nothing" ooowwww... :hubbahubba: :NoNo:

none taken :D

fact from fiction "There were some inconsistancies on my websites but these were completely unintentional and have been corrected." :doh

Howerd

31st January 2011, 21:03

Just a dot? awe... too bad... i was starting to like you "Detective Coweird"... ow ow... sorry i mean "Howerd" :icon_sorry:

*

Howerd

31st January 2011, 21:04

Howerd

1st February 2011, 01:39

pain2k (AKA posthome)

I am not sure why you have reduced to posting insults under another name, under the pretence of being a student of Theodolite Training Group UK; it simply does not help your case that your centre is creditable.

People, like me, search the internet for training schools offering the A1 test. You provide the test virtually on demand, unlike other centres. That is particularly important for those people who are unaware of this new A1 test introduced for Spouse/fiancee applicants just two months ago.

Anyone ending up on this page may well be deterred from using your centre because of the numerous false claims you have made on here (and elsewhere) about yourself and your businesses in the UK and Cebu. All those false claims put a dent on your credibility as a person and on Theodolite Training Group UK as a training provider. But you then add to your woes by adopting another identity and hurling insults on a public forum.

I have no idea why you did not simply say that you have put on your website today the certificates to show your company registration with the SEC and BIR, rather than registering as a new member of this forum today and pretending to be a former student, claiming to have seen those certificates.

I certainly do trust that your company is properly incorporated, despite no record yet appearing on the SEC website and I trust you are also properly registered as an education provider with the relevant government agency.

I have no problems with legitimate businesses running their affairs lawfully but there are many aspects of your business and the way that you conduct yourself that still give me cause for concern.

pain2k

1st February 2011, 08:20

http://img2.immage.de/0102theodoliteregpics.jpg

bornatbirth

2nd February 2011, 02:31

are you 2 married, why all the fuss :Erm:

keithAngel

2nd February 2011, 03:20

Well I wouldnt have a problem with a simple advert that incorporates something of the past history of a persons business

I dont think that the way you have addressed the ligitemate concerns raised here as very professional no matter how much you may think Howards is a pain .

Based on that I would not myself use your services if you want to be sucsessful in the Phils given the underlying nonsense you need to be ceasars wife:NoNo:

Breakfast

2nd February 2011, 09:14

I was ready to tell my 'other half' about Theodolite Training Group until I saw the response by Posthome and his alter-ego, Pain2k, to Howerd's real concerns.

I would urge anyone to use the British Council in Cebu to take the test, so you can be sure that you are dealing with an organisation truly recognised around the world rather than risk your money with this questionable training centre making highly dubious claims for itself.

Here is a list of English Language schools in Cebu, who may possibly offer training:

ALTA Language Academy www.altacebu.com
American International Training Institute www.aiticebu.com
Asia Pacific College www.apc.edu.ph
CDU ESL Center www.cduesl.com
CIA (Cebu International Academy) www.cebucia.com
Cebu International School www.cis.edu.ph
Cebu Languages www.cebulanguages.com
Centre for International Education www.cie.edu
Cleverlearn English Language Institute www.cleverlearncebu.com
Harvest Christian School International www.hcsinternational.org
Southeast Asia English Experience Institute www.southeastasiaenglish.com
Toouchasis Contact Solutions www.touchasia.com

Howerd

21st February 2011, 03:44

Here is the payment page for paying for Theodolite Training Group UK's service by credit/debit card:

https://www.secure.theodolite.net/process.html

Strangely, posthome (aka pain2k) is using his UK website (theodolite.net) to collect payments for Theodolite Training Group in the Philippines! But there can be no doubt that theodolite.net is being used as this page shows...

https://www.secure.theodolite.net/Cards.pdf (contains link to https://www.secure.theodolite.net/process.html)

Have a close look at...

https://www.secure.theodolite.net/process.html

You will notice that it does not state who payments are being made to, nor can you say how much you wish to pay!

It does say at the top of the screen that details are not kept after the transaction is made, but how do we know this? Well, I did a trial transaction! It accepted all the details I entered (without objection) even though I used invalid card details! So, the site clearly did not attempt to process my transaction there and then.

That means Thedololite Training Group have retained card details and without me specifying any amount just how much would they attempt to take from the card?