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Dedworth

23rd February 2011, 17:32

Poppy burning made my stomach turn over, says Armistice witness

Members of the public paying respects to the fallen on Armistice Day told a court today of their revulsion when Muslim protesters burned
poppies.

Mohammed Haque and Emdadur Choudhury went on trial today accused of public disorder by using "threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour within the hearing or sight of people who would be harassed, alarmed or disturbed by it".

The incident happened during a two-minute silence close to the Royal Albert Hall where a Remembrance Day service was being held last November, the court heard.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23925716-two-men-on-trial-accused-of-poppy-burning.do

keithAngel

24th February 2011, 03:05

Poppy burning in Afganistan has been rather popular hadnt thought of that conection

Im personaly not keen on "threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour within the hearing or sight of people who would be harassed, alarmed or disturbed by it" as an offence as it is rather a licence for arrest at will oftenly followed by de-arrest.

I wouldnt want some one arrested every time my stomache turns over

Lets see what the Magistrates decide:xxgrinning--00xx3:

scott&ligaya

24th February 2011, 15:10

waste of time and money putting them on trial , just give them community service on an army base... see how long they last before meeting with a well deserved accident

Dedworth

7th March 2011, 20:08

'I will wear this fine as a badge on my shoulder': Shameless Muslim extremist dismisses £50 fine for Armistice Day poppy burning

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363772/Muslim-extremist-burned-poppies-Armistice-Day-fined-just-50.html#ixzz1FwUA1IU7

£50 quid fine pathetic - what kind of message does this send out to the scum. The DPP needs to appeal the sentence and the Judge should be given his P45:cuss::mad::cuss::xxangry-smiley-009:

bornatbirth

8th March 2011, 01:13

Arthur Little

8th March 2011, 01:15

I'd been going to say: 'Let's hope the Magistrate gives 'em a right ":devil-smiley-029:"!' But no such luck! :NoNo: One found "NOT GUILTY"? And the other fined a paltry fifty quid! :rolleyes: God Almighty - or should I say, "*allah (note deliberate use of small-case *initial letter) be damned? - a :censored: car park attendant is empowered to slap penalty notices of [sometimes] twice that amount on the windscreens of vehicles ... whose owners "dare" to exceed the timespan of their automated ticket by as little as one minute! :cwm23:

keithAngel

8th March 2011, 01:58

The other one was found not guilty

Luckily we Brits have always stood for free speech

Arthur Little

8th March 2011, 02:18

:icon_lol: im glad to see dedworth so happy for a change :icon_lol:

I'm none too "happy", myself :nono-1-1: ... NOR - I would venture to opine - will the survivors/relatives of those killed or maimed in two World Wars be either!!!

scott&ligaya

9th March 2011, 17:37

this guy openly states that there is nothing he likes about the UK but sill takes £800 in benefits per month, he is a British citizen so there is little that the legal system can do... but what about natural justice, about what is right and just plain wrong... this case has just about finalised my thinking about getting the hell out of here just as soon as I can the only benefit this country can offer.. a UK passport for my honey so we can travel more easily.. 15 months and counting

Dedworth

9th March 2011, 17:46

The other one was found not guilty

Luckily we Brits have always stood for free speech

These germs are close to sedition and treason

scott&ligaya

9th March 2011, 18:07

free speech!!!! but not it seems if we might damage the sensitivities of the muslim community... I remember my ex wife an Irish brummie who told me a story from the early nineties when the locals complained about a PA system being used at the central mosque in Highgate to call the faithful to prayer. The mosque successfully argued to the powers at be that the church bells in the surrounding area were in the same category and the local churches were told to desist!!!!!! the rot of appeasement/too much tolerance started a long time ago....

Dedworth

9th March 2011, 18:15

free speech!!!!..

I'm not too keen on bed-wetting, Guardian reading, hand wringing, apologist liberals but Mr Angel should be given the freedom to air his bizarre opinions

scott&ligaya

9th March 2011, 18:18

actually I think I am just becoming more extreme in my views the longer I stay her in the UK. Must be connected somehow.

Dedworth

9th March 2011, 18:39

actually I think I am just becoming more extreme in my views the longer I stay her in the UK. Must be connected somehow.

The problem is we are surrounded by the crap all the time. I was talking to our neighbour earlier and she was livid about the outcome of the poppy burning case she didn't know that the grub hadn't even turned up for the verdict and sentence as "reading papers just makes my blood boil".

You will note that Mr Free Speech above has legged it from the UK

Arthur Little

9th March 2011, 19:26

You will note that Mr Free Speech above has legged it from the UK

I'd been going to say ... :rolleyes:

... that particular fact hadn't escaped my notice ... :NoNo:

... but you beat me to it ...! :)

bornatbirth

9th March 2011, 21:29

should be given the freedom to air his bizarre opinions

exactly :Erm: :icon_lol:

The problem is we are surrounded by the crap all the time.

even reading this forum i cant escape it, thankfully we have you to keep us in the picture :laugher:

keithAngel

10th March 2011, 03:19

The problem is we are surrounded by the crap all the time. I was talking to our neighbour earlier and she was livid about the outcome of the poppy burning case she didn't know that the grub hadn't even turned up for the verdict and sentence as "reading papers just makes my blood boil".

You will note that Mr Free Speech above has legged it from the UK

Thats because there are to many guys boiling in their own blood:icon_lol:

stevie c

10th March 2011, 10:32

Dedworth

10th March 2011, 10:43

Totally agree what a disgraceful decision makes my blood boil :cwm23:

Mr Free Speech can't see anything wrong in it :crazy:

stevie c

10th March 2011, 10:51

yes so i see a strange outlook on life :Erm:

Dedworth

10th March 2011, 10:58

yes so i see a strange outlook on life :Erm:

Purely for research he ought to take his soap box down to Rizal Ave and abusively harangue Filipinos and Catholics

keithAngel

10th March 2011, 11:36

On the contrary they were charged tried one found guilty and punished the diference as I see it is that our justice system said £50 and you would idealy like them to be hung drawn and quartered at half time at your local sports stadium or just tarred and feathered if your feeling particularly jovial:doh

Perhaps a more fitting punishment would be to be locked in a room and be forced to listen to you ranting on about whatever the daily Mail says next:icon_lol:

Purely for research he ought to take his soap box down to Rizal Ave and abusively harangue Filipinos and Catholics

You would like it here free speach can get you killed more dangerous for journalists than iraq or afganistan

Dedworth

10th March 2011, 11:48

You would like it here free speach can get you killed more dangerous for journalists than iraq or afganistan

Makes it advisable for you to button your lips - ever thought of trying it on here ? :)

Talking about buttoned lips where's your fellow Chuckle Brother we've not had any gems from him for a while ?

scott&ligaya

10th March 2011, 11:59

You would like it here free speach can get you killed more dangerous for journalists than iraq or afganistan

have to agree with on that particular comment, only recently a radio journalist was gunned down on the outskirts of Puerto Princesa only yards from a shop my mahal uses regularly. His crime was to highlight mis use of public funds by the previous governer and being outspoken on environmental issues around mining/drilling

The issue for me is that WE choose to become resisdents of the Phils knowing what the country politics/socio economic and cultural norms are.. the UK has had a failed social experiment foisted upon it by liberal, left thinking, politically correct governments and educational activists.

What you are seeing here on this thread is relatively normal people GETTING FED UP and becoming more vocal and extreme in their views as the society they knew continues to disintegrate around them.

Granted Dedworth may be at the more extreme end but I see here more and more rational individuals at least partially agreeing wih him.

It is in fact sad that outfits like the English defence league and the BNP are even tolerated by society and the law, they are just as bad as any other form of extremism, but the fact THEY HAVE FLOURISHED should be a shame on all reasonable men. For evil to prevail it only takes GOOD men to do nothing. Wake up all reasonable men and reverse the trends before it is too late for the UK

purple

10th March 2011, 12:09

Respect for the country, its people and laws have totally gone. When they speak of morales etc.. it seems like its just a lip service.

Seldom you heard of people whose motives are truly patriotic as most are of personal greeds or maybe religious beliefs that made some people stuck up with logic and reason.

keithAngel

10th March 2011, 14:38

have to agree with on that particular comment, only recently a radio journalist was gunned down on the outskirts of Puerto Princesa only yards from a shop my mahal uses regularly. His crime was to highlight mis use of public funds by the previous governer and being outspoken on environmental issues around mining/drilling

The issue for me is that WE choose to become resisdents of the Phils knowing what the country politics/socio economic and cultural norms are.. the UK has had a failed social experiment foisted upon it by liberal, left thinking, politically correct governments and educational activists.

What you are seeing here on this thread is relatively normal people GETTING FED UP and becoming more vocal and extreme in their views as the society they knew continues to disintegrate around them.

Granted Dedworth may be at the more extreme end but I see here more and more rational individuals at least partially agreeing wih him.

It is in fact sad that outfits like the English defence league and the BNP are even tolerated by society and the law, they are just as bad as any other form of extremism, but the fact THEY HAVE FLOURISHED should be a shame on all reasonable men. For evil to prevail it only takes GOOD men to do nothing. Wake up all reasonable men and reverse the trends before it is too late for the UK

Great Post I agree there are many discussions we all need to have to decide the kind of society we want to live in ,the problem as I see it is that once the extremists get a voice they use that disatisfaction to forward their agendas of hatred and use emotion rather than reason to try to marginalise parts of our community.

I dont accept that here in the Phils any more than in Portugal or the UK keeping silent may simply facilitate the rise of facism that has always demonised ethnic groups as the untermensh We as a community who love our cross cultural relationships would be foolish to go down this route by claiming some kind of exemption to the rule off "us" & "them" that is the sole rallying cry of the master race.

I will never judge a group by the behaviour of an individual but each person I meet on there merits and I will never remain silent when foolishmen clamour for blood for some imagined slight or blind hatred. They should be ridiculed and given no hiding place amonst decent men of reason regardless of there place of birth or cultural persausion

Dedworth

10th March 2011, 15:06

Great Post I agree there are many discussions we all need to have to decide the kind of society we want to live in ,the problem as I see it is that once the extremists get a voice they use that disatisfaction to forward their agendas of hatred and use emotion rather than reason to try to marginalise parts of our community.

I dont accept that here in the Phils any more than in Portugal or the UK keeping silent may simply facilitate the rise of facism that has always demonised ethnic groups as the untermensh We as a community who love our cross cultural relationships would be foolish to go down this route by claiming some kind of exemption to the rule off "us" & "them" that is the sole rallying cry of the master race.

I will never judge a group by the behaviour of an individual but each person I meet on there merits and I will never remain silent when foolishmen clamour for blood for some imagined slight or blind hatred. They should be ridiculed and given no hiding place amonst decent men of reason regardless of there place of birth or cultural persausion

Very laudable.

For the sake of good order do you class the likes of Abu Hamza, Omar Bakari, Anjem Choudary and their followers as forwarders of "agendas of hatred" ? Have you had a chance yet to watch the C4 Dispatches: Lessons in Hatred and Violence yet ? - it's quite easy to find on YouTube

Just wondering .................

gWaPito

10th March 2011, 15:17

Sorry, im a little behind on this one. I read the story in the express.

It was sickening, where was our rent a mob when these scum were holding these sick messages.

We are the evil of ones yet not so bad to pick up our moneyfornothing welfare.

T hecountry is ruined, pay rates forced down because of the European expansion, ex eastern blockers happy to work for a sack of potatoes a day, all sharing the same beds, Our Brothers you say, we got more In common with Foo Mang Choo.

Arthur Little

10th March 2011, 15:43

Have you had a chance yet to watch the C4 Dispatches: Lessons in Hatred and Violence yet ? - it's quite easy to find on YouTube

Just wondering .................

NO POINT in resurrecting that "old chestnut" :nono-1-1: ... it has already stirred-up way too much ill-feeling among the membership. Consequently, the thread will remain CLOSED!

keithAngel

10th March 2011, 17:08

Deadworth every one who commits the crime of race hatred should be prosecuted and where possible treated with the contempt and ridicule they deserve that means everyone dead

Clear enough??:Erm:

gWaPito

11th March 2011, 00:53

I agree with you Keith:xxgrinning--00xx3:

The fact is, its not the case.

I can give you a catalogue of instances at my place of work, where a certain card has been pulled out.
Right or wrong the company will mostly back down for fear of bad publicity.

keithAngel

11th March 2011, 02:31

gWaPito

11th March 2011, 02:43

Come on Keith Let's not play innocent. You know very well, that's how the game is played now.

Morally bankrupt, you cld be right.

Im not sad working for them Keith.

keithAngel

11th March 2011, 02:54

The game can only be played if we all keep our silence I agree that kind of reverse discrimanation is frustrating and self defeating and certainly doesnt nuture the British sence of fair play but we are all collectively responcible for bringing this discussion back to the center befor the hatemongers on both sides use it for there own agendas and we find our selves and our partners on the receiving end:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Dedworth

11th March 2011, 09:55

Poppy-burning hatemonger does a runner from hero Ben McBean

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3459841/Poppy-burning-hatemonger-Emdadur-Choudhury-runs-from-hero-Ben-McBean.html

POPPY burner Emdadur Choudhury fled his home - to dodge a showdown with war hero Ben McBean.

Sick Choudhury had bragged he would sneer at anyone who had served in Afghanistan and tell them to their faces they were "murderers and rapists".

So The Sun arranged for ex-Royal Marine Ben, 24, who lost an arm and a leg in Helmand, to confront him - and he completely bottled it.

Ben drove 250 miles from Plymouth for a pre-arranged meeting in East London with Choudhury, who was fined just £50 for torching a giant poppy during a two-minute silence on Armistice Day.

But only 25 minutes before the 4pm appointment in a park, benefits scrounger Choudhury claimed he could not make it.

He did not even have the nerve to phone and tell us, instead hiding behind a text.

We went to his grim council flat in Whitechapel to have a showdown on his doorstep - only to find he had vanished.

At 2pm he had been seen emptying bins but by the time we arrived his car had gone and we got no answer.

Dismissing the Islamic extremist as "all hot air and no bottle", Ben said: "I'd have held out my one good hand so he could shake it but he didn't want it.

"For him to mouth off to reporters is easy, to say those horrible things to my face is another. He wasn't brave enough to do it.

"If my old mates in Afghanistan exhibited the same level of cowardice they wouldn't last ten minutes."

Earlier this week Choudhury, 26, boasted he would meet "any soldier" to explain why he had no respect. He ranted that Our Boys were "not going out there with candy and flowers", and that the brave troops were killing and raping innocent people.

But Ben, described by Prince Harry as a "true hero" after they flew back on the same plane, said: "The reason he is allowed to speak like he does is freedom of speech, but that does not give him the right to be abusive and offensive.

"My old pals have been going mad at the poppy burning.

"Next time he starts spouting off, he should be prepared to back up his wild beliefs - not run off like a dog with its tail between its legs."

gWaPito

12th March 2011, 00:39

Poppy-burning hatemonger does a runner from hero Ben McBean

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3459841/Poppy-burning-hatemonger-Emdadur-Choudhury-runs-from-hero-Ben-McBean.html

POPPY burner Emdadur Choudhury fled his home - to dodge a showdown with war hero
Ben McBean.

Sick Choudhury had bragged he would sneer at anyone who had served in Afghanistan and tell them to their faces they were "murderers and rapists".

So The Sun arranged for ex-Royal Marine Ben, 24, who lost an arm and a leg in Helmand, to confront him - and he completely bottled it.

Ben drove 250 miles from Plymouth for a pre-arranged meeting in East London with Choudhury, who was fined just £50 for torching a giant poppy during a two-minute silence on Armistice Day.

But only 25 minutes before the 4pm appointment in a park, benefits scrounger Choudhury claimed he could not make it.

He did not even have the nerve to phone and tell us, instead hiding behind a text.

We went to his grim council flat in Whitechapel to have a showdown on his doorstep - only to find he had vanished.

At 2pm he had been seen emptying bins but by the time we arrived his car had gone and we got no answer.

Dismissing the Islamic extremist as "all hot air and no bottle", Ben said: "I'd have held out my one good hand so he could shake it but he didn't want it.

"For him to mouth off to reporters is easy, to say those horrible things to my face is another. He wasn't brave enough to do it.

"If my old mates in Afghanistan exhibited the same level of cowardice they wouldn't last ten minutes."

Earlier this week Choudhury, 26, boasted he would meet "any soldier" to explain why he had no respect. He ranted that Our Boys were "not going out there with candy and flowers", and that the brave troops were killing and raping innocent people.

But Ben, described by Prince Harry as a "true hero" after they flew back on the same plane, said: "The reason he is allowed to speak like he does is freedom of speech, but that does not give him the right to be abusive and offensive.

"My old pals have been going mad at the poppy burning.

"Next time he starts spouting off, he should be prepared to back up his wild beliefs - not run off like a dog with its tail between its legs." ,
Which just about sums his type (the poppy burner) up.
Even when they do eventually get the courage to pick up the kalashnikov, you will find them hiding there mamas skirt before firing, bloody cowards the lot of them.
I can't see the coward going to any mosque anytime soon either, im sure they will wash there hands of him.

Good post Ded:xxgrinning--00xx3:

gWaPito

12th March 2011, 00:46

':icon_lol:British sense of fair play'
Those bygone days are well past us Keith, mores the pity.

I agree with your sentiment but im afraid you could be accused of being away with the birds.

Sorry Keith:D

Arthur Little

12th March 2011, 02:41

I'm afraid you could be accused of being away with the birds.

:cwm24: ... ohhh ... I hope NOT ... he's just gone and got himself hitched!

gWaPito

12th March 2011, 03:11

Very good Arthur :xxgrinning--00xx3::D

keithAngel

12th March 2011, 06:07

The Sun huh well that must be true they would never manage creating there own news:xxgrinning--00xx3:

gWaPito

12th March 2011, 21:59

The newspapers duty is to report events, not create them :NoNo:

Dedworth

12th March 2011, 22:19

,
Which just about sums his type (the poppy burner) up.
Even when they do eventually get the courage to pick up the kalashnikov, you will find them hiding there mamas skirt before firing, bloody cowards the lot of them.
I can't see the coward going to any mosque anytime soon either, im sure they will wash there hands of him.

Good post Ded:xxgrinning--00xx3:

I agree G. Did you watch the Sun's video ? - it's good

gWaPito

12th March 2011, 22:28

Not yet D, now you've mentioned it, ill have a butchers on my day off Monday. Cheers:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Dedworth

12th March 2011, 22:42

Not yet D, now you've mentioned it, ill have a butchers on my day off Monday. Cheers:xxgrinning--00xx3:

It's made on "location" - I guess lots of people who may or may not be regular Sun readers would be interested in that

gWaPito

12th March 2011, 23:57

It's made on "location" - I guess lots of people who may or may not be regular Sun readers would be interested in that

I hope so Ded.

That puts Keith's conspiracy theories out the window, nice one:D

Joncar said something the other day, to get a balanced view of the news, you best read all the newspapers, thus coming to your own conclusion.
All you need is the time!