My Big, Fat Fake Wedding

[Arthur Little]

Oh dear :rolleyes: ... I've just finished watching this 'Panorama Special', which I'd been looking forward to all week - ever since a friend had informed me it was being screened tonight.

But what a :censored: shambles it turned out to be! The filming on location, was diabolical ... with the camera consistently :Jump:ing about like a drunken kangaroo ... to the extent that, if I hadn't closed my eyes - to stop me feeling dizzy - and several times almost dozed off, :NEW5: I'd surely have "thrown-up"! :vomit-smiley-011: And the sound quality - even for folk with normal hearing - was pathetic to say the least!

Despite the cost involved in sending undercover teams on a "wild goose chase" ... up and down the M1 between London and Coventry - as well as to the Spanish island of Majorca - the programme seemed to have solved nothing :NoNo: and amounted to a sheer waste of taxpayers' money!

[grahamw48]

Glad to hear I didn't miss much.

I deliberately didn't watch it, as it would have adversely affected my blood pressure. :rolleyes:

[gWaPito]

There was me thinking after I read Arthur's thread heading, he'd finally seen the light and became a ranter, just like a select few here :D

[Arthur Little]

There was me thinking after I read Arthur's thread heading, he'd finally seen the light and became a ranter, just like a select few here :D

Y'know ... I was thinking about typing this thread in the 'Rant' Section - then thought it might be more relevant to Immigration matters. :anerikke:

[gWaPito]

Y'know ... I was thinking about typing this thread in the 'Rant' Section - then thought it might be more relevant to Immigration matters. :anerikke:
Nothings better than some immigration matters to stir the emotions ;)

[Arthur Little]

Nothings better than some immigration matters to stir the emotions ;)

Apart from Religion ...:Erm: ...

[Arthur Little]

... we shall see ... ! :D

[gWaPito]

Apart from Religion ...:Erm: ...

That's a very old chestnut :)

[Dedworth]

Oh dear :rolleyes: ... I've just finished watching this 'Panorama Special', which I'd been looking forward to all week - ever since a friend had informed me it was being screened tonight.

But what a :censored: shambles it turned out to be! The filming on location, was diabolical ... with the camera consistently :Jump:ing about like a drunken kangaroo ... to the extent that, if I hadn't closed my eyes - to stop me feeling dizzy - and several times almost dozed off, :NEW5: I'd surely have "thrown-up"! :vomit-smiley-011: And the sound quality - even for folk with normal hearing - was pathetic to say the least!

Despite the cost involved in sending undercover teams on a "wild goose chase" ... up and down the M1 between London and Coventry - as well as to the Spanish island of Majorca - the programme seemed to have solved nothing :NoNo: and amounted to a sheer waste of taxpayers' money!

I disagree Arthur - I thought other than the sending of a crew to Spain it was licence payers money very well spent in producing a programme that exposes yet more aspects of our flawed and abused immigration system to the wider public. I just hope the authorities have arrested the participants shown - two sham marriage fraudsters, Mr Ali a dodgy Asian solicitor and his staff, a Romanian prostitute and an E European pimp/gangster.

The filming was shaky because much of it was undercover.

For those who missed it look here to view or download http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ztfq1/Panorama_My_Big_Fat_Fake_Wedding/

BBC's write up

It should be the most romantic day in any couple's relationship, but every year hundreds of weddings take place where often the bride and groom barely know each other, and will rarely ever meet again. These are sham marriages - a way for desperate immigrants to stay in the country illegally by paying to marry a stranger with an EU passport.

In this Panorama Special, reporter Richard Bilton exposes a lucrative - and growing - industry. Posing as a wedding photographer, he films a sham wedding and reveals the real human cost at the heart of it; he investigates an Eastern European gang that charges 8,000 pounds to supply teenage prostitutes as bogus brides; the immigration solicitor who will prepare the legal paperwork for sham couples; and he discovers how even the Church of England has been a target of bogus wedding fraudsters.

[Terpe]

I did not see all, but interestingly I did see the part where it was confirmed that the COA will not longer be needed as of April 1st 2011

[Arthur Little]

I did not see all, but interestingly I did see the part where it was confirmed that the COA will not longer be needed as of April 1st 2011

Yes ... I did manage to hear that bit - but inadvertently forgot to mention it - because my head was "swimming" as an after-effect of the shaky camera! :rolleyes: ... wonder what the Home Office intends replacing it with in its efforts to clamp down on these sham marriages?

[Terpe]

... wonder what the Home Office intends replacing it with in its efforts to clamp down on these sham marriages?

The Immigration Minister, Damian Green, states that UKBA investigation and subsequent enforcement will show criminal gangs that their crime does not pay:Erm:

UKBA will essentially rely upon 'tip-offs' from those involved in the marriage ceremony process, or from Joe Public :NoNo:

[Dedworth]

Yes ... I did manage to hear that bit - but inadvertently forgot to mention it - because my head was "swimming" as an after-effect of the shaky camera! :rolleyes: ... wonder what the Home Office intends replacing it with in its efforts to clamp down on these sham marriages?

A stern looking Immigration Minister Damian Green said they would be "educating and working with the Registrars and Anglican Church". The whole sorry issue is here

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt201011/jtselect/jtrights/111/11110.htm

The Government's objective

Tackling sham marriage is a top priority for the Government. We are not currently anticipating a single measure to replace the Certificate of Approval scheme. Instead we are pursuing a range of actions and measures which together we believe will form an effective response to the problem. We are investigating suspected abuse and where possible, will disrupt marriages before they take place. We are working closely with civil Registrars and members of the clergy to identify potential suspicious marriages at the earliest opportunity and prevent these marriages from taking place.

[mickcant]

And yet after I told the UK Border Agency about my now ex wife married me only for money, and a visa to work here, they have as yet done nothing:cwm23:
Mick.:crazy:

[grahamw48]

Obviously she must have been 'desperate' like the crooks mentioned above, so UKBA felt sorry for her....just as the rest of us taxpayers in this overcrowded island are supposed to. :rolleyes:

Once again born and bred Brits are expected to lie down and submit while being shafted from all angles by cunning lowlifes from failed countries. :cwm23:

[Dedworth]

And yet after I told the UK Border Agency about my now ex wife married me only for money, and a visa to work here, they have as yet done nothing:cwm23:
Mick.:crazy:

Mick email Damian Green greend@parliament.uk

[mickcant]

Mick email Damian Green greend@parliament.uk

Thanks, I will give it a go:xxgrinning--00xx3:

I did send a posted letter to his office before, but like with the UKBA got no reply.
Mick.:)
Mick.

[Dedworth]

Thanks, I will give it a go:xxgrinning--00xx3:

I did send a posted letter to his office before, but like with the UKBA got no reply.
Mick.:)
Mick.

Mick just to ensure they give their full attention to the matter cc it to your MP and the Home Secretary mayt@parliament.uk :D

[mickcant]

Mick just to ensure they give their full attention to the matter cc it to your MP and the Home Secretary mayt@parliament.uk :D

Thanks good advice, I will do that:xxgrinning--00xx3:
Mick.:)

[joebloggs]

I did not see all, but interestingly I did see the part where it was confirmed that the COA will not longer be needed as of April 1st 2011

yes damn court of human rights :cwm23:, COA was used to catch some illegals who were in hiding and tried to wed a european to stay here :angry:

its time britian had a sovereignty law and no european law can overide it.

why dont they get married in thier own country ?? becuase many cant even get their future spouse into their own country, foreign student or overstayer with no valid visa and they wouldnt get back in the uk if they left to wed :rolleyes:

the flood gates will open now with sham marriages :Help1:

[grahamw48]

There's a thought. :Erm:

[gWaPito]

And yet after I told the UK Border Agency about my now ex wife married me only for money, and a visa to work here, they have as yet done nothing:cwm23:
Mick.:crazy:

Mick, your ex wife's visa was good for 2 years, divorced or not she is able to live and work here.

If in the meantime if she is able to find another hapless soul to marry and ripoff, she can, it's all perfectly legal, whether it's morally right is another matter.

This was done by the ex, only problem was, she choose a non British, shame :D

[Dedworth]

Mick, your ex wife's visa was good for 2 years, divorced or not she is able to live and work here.

If in the meantime if she is able to find another hapless soul to marry and ripoff, she can, it's all perfectly legal, whether it's morally right is another matter.

This was done by the ex, only problem was, she choose a non British, shame :D

It's probably a totally ridiculous question as this is 21st Century Britain - if a visa was obtained criminally ie by giving false information could the holder then be hauled up in front of a court and deported ?

[grahamw48]

It's probably a totally ridiculous question as this is 21st Century Britain - if a visa was obtained criminally ie by giving false information could the holder can be hauled up in front of a court and deported ?

Would have thought so.

Just make sure you can't be dragged into it though.;)

[gWaPito]

It's probably a totally ridiculous question as this is 21st Century Britain - if a visa was obtained criminally ie by giving false information could the holder can be hauled up in front of a court and deported ?


No idea Ded, all I know is, I reported the change of circumstances asap to the relevant border control agency at Croydon. They in turn diligently replied 6 months later thanking me for my input. Period

[mickcant]

Mick, your ex wife's visa was good for 2 years, divorced or not she is able to live and work here.

If in the meantime if she is able to find another hapless soul to marry and ripoff, she can, it's all perfectly legal, whether it's morally right is another matter.

This was done by the ex, only problem was, she choose a non British, shame :D

Hi gWaPito, :Wave:
With my ex the UKBA said they were curtailing her visa, which I took to mean cancel.:ReadIt:
Mick.:Cuckoo:

[Arthur Little]

Hi gWaPito, :Wave:
With my ex the UKBA said they were curtailing her visa, which I took to mean cancel.:ReadIt:
Mick.:Cuckoo:

:iagree:, Mick ... that was my impression!

[Arthur Little]

:iagree:, Mick ... that was my impression! If I were you, I'd have another "go" at Damien Green - pointing out :poke: the pledge he made when interviewed - and insisting that the proposed UKBA powers of enforcement be extended to include the deportation of persons who enter the UK under false pretences.

[gWaPito]

No curtailment in my case, Mick. Not that im bothered now.
I was worried it wld effect Jane's application with her still being here. Needless to say, it wasn't.

I get the distinct impression they don't give a damn, bigger fish to fry and all that :NoNo:

[mickcant]

No curtailment in my case, Mick. Not that im bothered now.
I was worried it wld effect Jane's application with her still being here. Needless to say, it wasn't.

I get the distinct impression they don't give a damn, bigger fish to fry and all that :NoNo:

Yes I also think that, perhaps if a TV crew were behind them they might do somthing:Erm:

I am not botherd what she does, but yes she could take anouther bloke in:crazy:
Mick.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

No curtailment in my case, Mick. Not that im bothered now.
I was worried it wld effect Jane's application with her still being here. Needless to say, it wasn't.

I get the distinct impression they don't give a damn, bigger fish to fry and all that :NoNo:

I'm not convinced, Mark. :NoNo: In Mick's case, the UKBA gave a written undertaking to curtail the Spousal Visa ... and are - or ought to be - duty-bound to see it through!

As for "bigger fish" :rolleyes: ... Mick is a taxpayer - the SAME as most of us - including Damien Green. And whilst the latter's income as a Government Minister is likely to fall within the 'Supertax' bracket - it doesn't automatically confer any "divine right" upon its recipient to be singled out for special treatment. :23_116_6[1]: Taxpayers' money is there to serve the public ... and the UKBA is a Public Service!

[joebloggs]

if micks ex-wife had less than 6 months left they wouldn't bother with curtailment, yes if ILR was obtained by deception then it can be revoked also when you sign a visa application form, your signing a declaration stating everything is true. and it is an offence of the Immigration act to make false statements.

if i person has committed fraud they should be deported, no ifs or buts and banned from the UK and no humans rights :censored:

[gWaPito]

I'm not convinced, Mark. :NoNo: In Mick's case, the UKBA gave a written undertaking to curtail the Spousal Visa ... and are - or ought to be - duty-bound to see it through!

As for "bigger fish" :rolleyes: ... Mick is a taxpayer - the SAME as most of us - including Damien Green. And whilst the latter's income as a Government Minister is likely to fall within the 'Supertax' bracket - it doesn't automatically confer any "divine right" upon its recipient to be singled out for special treatment. :23_116_6[1]: Taxpayers' money is there to serve the public ... and the UKBA is a Public Service!

I can assure you Arthur, I didn't get any such letter from Croydon and my circumstances were not very dissimilar to Mick's.

Best let the authorities deal with it in there own time, if at all.

Mick's done his bit by informing them, nothing more he can do. By getting involved it will only drag up bitterness and resentments, not good:NoNo:

[grahamw48]

I agree...better to move on.

Thankfully my ex did me the favour of leaving the country of her own volition...once she'd got her British passport of course. :)