Question about having children?

[FertileOne]

Who has decided to start a family with their filipina brides?

Have there been problems in this regard i.e. you not wanting children, but she wants them? Or you wanting children quickly before you get too old (i.e. not wanting to be an extremely old father), and her wanting to wait until she gains citizenship etc.

I'd figure due to the age gap, this would be one of the sticking points/negotiating points in most of these such relationships.

What about issues with fertility and trying for a baby (for example failed vasectomy reversals, general DNA damage in older sperm resulting in more miscarriages) which have hampered the relationship?

[Englishman2010]

Or you wanting children quickly before you get too old (i.e. not wanting to be an extremely old father), and her wanting to wait until she gains citizenship etc.

I'd figure due to the age gap, this would be one of the sticking points/negotiating points in most of these such relationships.

What about issues with fertility and trying for a baby (for example failed vasectomy reversals, general DNA damage in older sperm resulting in more miscarriages) which have hampered the relationship?

What's your point? Is it an innocent question or the sort of crap that a troll comes up with? Are you suggesting that everyone with a Filipina partner is in their 80's. Don't believe the stereotypes, there are lots of younger guys who have Filipina partners. Your profile says you are 27, if you think everyone who is interested in Filipinas is old, why are you here?

If you are genuine and not one of the many trolls we get, no offence intended;)

[grahamw48]

I was 38 when I met my Filipina wife to be, and by no means 'washed up' back here in England as regards women...cos of course I was a charming,handsome and comfortably off guy. :D

I particularly liked Filipinas that's all. :)

[gWaPito]

Hi and welcome to the forum :Hellooo:

Have you ever been married, got kids of your own?

Just curious.

Cheers
Mark

[FertileOne]

What's your point? Is it an innocent question or the sort of crap that a troll comes up with? Are you suggesting that everyone with a Filipina partner is in their 80's. Don't believe the stereotypes, there are lots of younger guys who have Filipina partners. Your profile says you are 27, if you think everyone who is interested in Filipinas is old, why are you here?

If you are genuine and not one of the many trolls we get, no offence intended;)

Believe me, it's was an innocent question. If I were a troll I'd be here looking to start arguments and to annoy. But that is certainly not what I'm here to do. Granted I do ask questions which push the boundaries, things most people don't like to talk about, but that's just me, not interested in asking what everyone else has asked (I can do a search and quite easily find those answers here). I also like to stimulate debate. Sorry.

Indeed, I am only 27, and I do realise that not everyone on this forum who is with a filipina is old enough to be a granddad. But to pretend that there is not a mechanism in place here whereby a Westerner can seek a foreign bride, who is desperate to get out of her country to have a better life would be silly.

Not saying it's the case with everyone here, but it seems common for the man to be around 40-50, and the bride to be in her 20's. To me that's a significant age gap (i.e. 20 years). My ex was 10 years older than me, so I'm not unfamiliar with age gaps in relationships, and I don't have a problem with it. The implication was that in some cases, the husband may have already had kids with an ex-wife/partner, and may not have wanted to have more, or possibly had a vasectomy etc. I never meant to imply that any of you are old and washed up.

I'm looking to meet a filipina myself. My social circle of friends are mostly White, Mixed Race, and Black. I prefer to broaden my cultural influences. Most South Asians are quite closed when it comes to relationships with those outside their ethnicity or caste. Whereas Filipinas seem more open.

I've never been married, I don't have kids of my own. Although as I mentioned before I've helped friends (lesbians) conceive children via Artificial Insemination (i.e. I was their sperm donor).

[Steve.r]

Believe me, it's was an innocent question. If I were a troll I'd be here looking to start arguments and to annoy.

But to pretend that there is not a mechanism in place here whereby a Westerner can seek a foreign bride, who is desperate to get out of her country to have a better life would be silly.


Well, you dont seem to be doing very well so far, and with assumptions like that I dont think you will win many more friends.

So are you paying child support then ? if not why not ? :Erm:

[joebloggs]

Indeed, I am only 27, .

only 27, your old to my 21yr old stepson who's married with 2 kids :olddude:

:icon_lol:

[Lancashirelad]

Hmmm my Fiancee wants children, she's 24 im 41, we decided that we will have a couple of years here first and do lots of travelling then start our family. Not an issue for me, I like children and love my girlfriend so am happy to try for children with her. :)

[grahamw48]

Mine was 22 and me 38.

No problems to be honest....maybe better if you've a more mature head on your shoulders.

My boy (17) and I get on great.

We've got Kerrang rock station blasting out of our bigscreen and cinema system at the moment. Rockin away here. :icon_lol:

[medg22]

I am 22 and my hubby is 27. I would love to have children in the future but my hubby doesn't like to have any :( but I really hope he would still change his mind someday...

[joebloggs]

I am 22 and my hubby is 27. I would love to have children in the future but my hubby doesn't like to have any :( but I really hope he would still change his mind someday...

didn't you talk about that b4 you got married ?

i've got a 22yr old stepson, 10 yr old daughter and 4yr old little joe, never been a problem at all :rolleyes:

[Doc Alan]

What about issues with fertility and trying for a baby (for example failed vasectomy reversals, general DNA damage in older sperm resulting in more miscarriages) which have hampered the relationship?
Why do these issues concern you ? Men can normally reproduce at any age because stem cells in the testes keep dividing to produce sperm, even after vasectomy ( in which case the sperm are not present in semen). Women are born with all the eggs they will ever have, and it's well known that increasing maternal age decreases the chance of successful pregnancy. It's true that natural or assisted conception is more difficult for older men, because after around the age of 40 there is an increased chance of DNA damaged sperm. The chances of miscarriage or possible effects on children are lessened, however, if the woman is younger than 35.
As for reversal of vasectomy, it depends on the time after vasectomy, and experience of the surgeon. One specialist surgeon, who has performed this procedure on 700 men in 3 years, has a high success rate, including a forum member.

[bornatbirth]

Who has decided to start a family with their filipina brides?

Have there been problems in this regard i.e. you not wanting children, but she wants them? Or you wanting children quickly before you get too old (i.e. not wanting to be an extremely old father), and her wanting to wait until she gains citizenship etc.

I'd figure due to the age gap, this would be one of the sticking points/negotiating points in most of these such relationships.

What about issues with fertility and trying for a baby (for example failed vasectomy reversals, general DNA damage in older sperm resulting in more miscarriages) which have hampered the relationship?

age gap :Erm:

my wife is 6 years younger than me, so why do you think that all relationships with filipinas have big age gaps.

im not sure the point of the question, why concern yourself about it as your only 27 are you going to find yourself a older lady or wait until your 50's until you marry :icon_lol:

btw i know many filipinas who have married the older man and have started a family :do_it:, looks like their sperm is fine :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

My 29 yo beautiful wife and my 50 yo self are expecting our 1 st child this May.

Good going considering I had a vasectomy jan 96, it was reversed last end of june.
:D

[steve monty]

I am 22 and my hubby is 27. I would love to have children in the future but my hubby doesn't like to have any :( but I really hope he would still change his mind someday...

I said I would never have kids before I'm 30, as I wanted us to be settled first. Maybe your husband feels the same way, you are still young.

[sars_notd_virus]

Who has decided to start a family with their filipina brides?

Have there been problems in this regard i.e. you not wanting children,

Not a problem at all,... it will come at the right time....:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

age gap :Erm:

my wife is 6 years younger than me, so why do you think that all relationships with filipinas have big age gaps.


:xxgrinning--00xx3: i'm 5yrs and 11 months older than my misses :D


My 29 yo beautiful wife and my 50 yo self are expecting our 1 st child this May.

Good going considering I had a vasectomy jan 96, it was reversed last end of june.
:D

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[sars_notd_virus]

Men can normally reproduce at any age because stem cells in the testes keep dividing to produce sperm, even after vasectomy ( in which case the sperm are not present in semen). Women are born with all the eggs they will ever have, and it's well known that increasing maternal age decreases the chance of successful pregnancy. It's true that natural or assisted conception is more difficult for older men, because after around the age of 40 there is an increased chance of DNA damaged sperm. The chances of miscarriage or possible effects on children are lessened, however, if the woman is younger than 35.
As for reversal of vasectomy, it depends on the time after vasectomy, and experience of the surgeon. One specialist surgeon, who has performed this procedure on 700 men in 3 years, has a high success rate, including a forum member.

true,..a perfect example is my friends grandfather 83 yo and still multiplying genes with a 29yo girlfriend...:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

true,..a perfect example is my friends grandfather 83 yo and still multiplying genes with a 29yo girlfriend...:xxgrinning--00xx3:

:yikes:, my problem will be getting to 83 :olddude: and then trying to find a :Cuckoo: 29yr old :Help1:

:rolleyes:

[sars_notd_virus]

:yikes:, my problem will be getting to 83 :olddude: and then trying to find a :Cuckoo: 29yr old :Help1:

:rolleyes:

don't worry about it Joe, am sure your missus will find a solution to that:xxaction-smiley-047:D

[kester]

i am still new to all this..............

,I found a filipina gf by accident( ie i was not looking for it) in cebu who is a lot younger than me she is 22 (with a 4yo daughter)and i am 51 , she wants children and soon and has even said that even if we broke up she would still want my child to remind her of me even if she never heard from or saw me again. Yes I am in love with her too and maybe its too good to be true but this summer coming (my third summer with her) she wants a child .....and yes I want a child and i want it with her but I have this perpetual nagging doubt that I am being unfair to her...

Paul

[grahamw48]

So are you planning to bring her and the child you father to the UK, or will you be living in the Phils with them ? :)

[kester]

I am undecided though she says prefers living in cebu but says it is the mans choice where we live and she would come to uk if it only way we can be together ....basically she seems determined that i make the choice .

[RickyR]

Mixed asian/white children always seem to be good looking, and i'm convinced my 6 month old son is the cutest baby I've ever seen (I would say that though). We had no issues, we both wanted kids, my missus is 34 and i'm 26. Now for the vasectomy.

[grahamw48]

Well I think you should consider the child that you may be bringing into the world first.

A lot can change in the future.

Ask yourself if you could be parted from that child, and would it finish up living in poverty and without a father.
Could you live with that ?

If it were me (and it has been), I would not contemplate under any circumstances bringing a child into this world in such shaky circumstances. :NoNo:

Call me old-fashioned, but I also think it's only doing the decent thing to marry, and to give your offspring your surname and right to a British passport.

If you've been living in the Phils you'll realise that there are quite enough single mothers and children in poverty already.

[joebloggs]

life is about taking risks, and many things you cant change in your life, but little joe came at the right time, a bright star in a dark sky :rolleyes:, now i have another good reason to get home asap :Jump:
:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[keithAngel]

Well I think you should consider the child that you may be bringing into the world first.

A lot can change in the future.

Ask yourself if you could be parted from that child, and would it finish up living in poverty and without a father.
Could you live with that ?

If it were me (and it has been), I would not contemplate under any circumstances bringing a child into this world in such shaky circumstances. :NoNo:

Call me old-fashioned, but I also think it's only doing the decent thing to marry, and to give your offspring your surname and right to a British passport.

If you've been living in the Phils you'll realise that there are quite enough single mothers and children in poverty already.

I think based on the information Graham you are right when you say your a little old fashioned:icon_lol:

I dont know if Kesters g/f is already married or if he might rather live with her for a while longer and register a civil partnership,and seek settlement that way,or indeed if they will ever have a child.

Any issue will have the right to a UK passport as long as he is on the Birthcertificate and can as a British Subject call themselves by whatever name they choose.

Not everyone believes or needs the institution of marriage although it may make dealings with the authorities easier:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[raynaputi]

i want a child..he doesn't (because of his health..though he already got 2 grown up kids)..but it's a matter of compromising..i love him and want to be with him no matter what..every relationship has sacrifices..maybe this would be mine :Erm: i don't know if time would change his mind or my mind..but as long as we're together, that's what matters to me the most..

[FertileOne]

I apologise for appearing crass with the mention of age gap. I didn't mean to imply a Hugh Hefner-style age gap. And I didn't mean to imply that everyone on this forum was in such a relationship where the age gap was 10+ years apart. But yes, my topic was targeted at the members of the forum who are in such a relationship with a fairly large age difference.

No agenda, just personal curiosity.

Doc Alan, yes I'm well aware of the facts and figures, hence why I said I donated sperm. But I guess it's good to say, so the others are aware. Given those facts and figures, I think it's a worthwhile discussion, and considering the responses it's clear it's a good topic.

[FertileOne]

Well, you dont seem to be doing very well so far, and with assumptions like that I dont think you will win many more friends.


It's not an assumption when someone else said it already (http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/30382-Cambodia-sets-age-limit-for-foreigners-marrying-its-women?p=282067#post282067). (sorry to bring you in grahamw48, but I'm not a Respected Member yet, so my opinion doesn't count)


So are you paying child support then ? if not why not ? :Erm:

More research needed :Jump:

[FertileOne]

i want a child..he doesn't (because of his health..though he already got 2 grown up kids)..but it's a matter of compromising..i love him and want to be with him no matter what..every relationship has sacrifices..maybe this would be mine :Erm: i don't know if time would change his mind or my mind..but as long as we're together, that's what matters to me the most..

Interesting view. Relationships are about compromising. Putting off having your own children, because your partner has already had theirs is quite a big one, especially if his children are grown up. The most important thing is the happiness in my opinion, but if you feel it's compromising your happiness, then it may end up being a nagging thought in your head.

[keithAngel]

Although as I mentioned before I've helped friends (lesbians) conceive children via Artificial Insemination (i.e. I was their sperm donor)

More research needed :Jump:

Yup depends on how:xxgrinning--00xx3:

A spokesman for Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) said: "The law says that men donating sperm through licensed fertility clinics are not the legal father of any child born through that donation. "Men giving out their sperm in any other way - such as via internet arrangements - are legally the father of any children born with all the responsibilities that carries."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7125895.stm

[Terpe]

Interesting view. Relationships are about compromising. Putting off having your own children, because your partner has already had theirs is quite a big one, especially if his children are grown up. The most important thing is the happiness in my opinion, but if you feel it's compromising your happiness, then it may end up being a nagging thought in your head.

Sounds like the musings of some 'agony aunt' :D

[raynaputi]

Putting off having your own children, because your partner has already had theirs is quite a big one, especially if his children are grown up.

It's not because he already got kids, it's because of his health...read my post again...and like i said, we both still don't know what would happen in the future, if both our minds would change...yes it might end up a nagging thought in my head if I don't accept his situation and health conditions...but i knew this long before we had a relationship yet i still am in the relationship..

[KeithD]

I published reports a while back showing that the age gap average between Brit-Brit is only about 20% lower than Fil-Brit, and also Fil-Brit divorce rate is a lot lower than Brit-Brit which is about 50%.

Kids = Goats :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

I think based on the information Graham you are right when you say your a little old fashioned:icon_lol:

I dont know if Kesters g/f is already married or if he might rather live with her for a while longer and register a civil partnership,and seek settlement that way,or indeed if they will ever have a child.

Any issue will have the right to a UK passport as long as he is on the Birthcertificate and can as a British Subject call themselves by whatever name they choose.

Not everyone believes or needs the institution of marriage although it may make dealings with the authorities easier:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Not everyone would want to be born a b*stard either....given the choice.

It may be trendy (after thousands of years of marriage being the norm throughout the world) not to commit to marriage, but as I've already suggested, perhaps respect for the life one is creating should be put before one's own selfish needs. After all, we're not talking about naive fumbling teenagers here. :)

Obviously I was aware of the position regarding the child's right to British nationality.

[Doc Alan]

Sounds like the musings of some 'agony aunt' :D
Agreed, except that agony aunts are usually over 27 and their advice is based on experience, not just opinions.

[sars_notd_virus]

I apologise for appearing crass with the mention of age gap. I didn't mean to imply a Hugh Hefner-style age gap. And I didn't mean to imply that everyone on this forum was in such a relationship where the age gap was 10+ years apart. But yes, my topic was targeted at the members of the forum who are in such a relationship with a fairly large age difference.

No agenda, just personal curiosity.

Doc Alan, yes I'm well aware of the facts and figures, hence why I said I donated sperm. But I guess it's good to say, so the others are aware. Given those facts and figures, I think it's a worthwhile discussion, and considering the responses it's clear it's a good topic.

your curiosity about age gap,has been given objectable comments ,..your main topic is 'questions about children'?? age gap, sperm donations, citizenship of a partner is not an issue in having a baby/child in a relationship whether its fil-brit,asian-asian,brit-brit,or any race.

the big question is...is every man,bloke responsible to become a father?? your young,and you've donated sperm are you ready for fatherhood fertile one?? I asked this because a lot of boys or youngsters nowadays cant keep their willy inside their pants and just multiply their genes ,wheres the fatherhood in that case??
quoting grahams' reply ' no one wants to be called a bas***rd,its not fair isnt it?:rolleyes:

[fred]

Please do not circumvent the swear filter.. :ReadIt:
It seems the swear filter now believes that ....... is up there with .... and ...... which in my opinion is ....... ridiculous.:crazy:
I think that the owner of the swear filter should give B@stard another chance!!
Its not a legitimate swear word...Surely!!

[grahamw48]

Since when was the word for a person born out of wedlock...when used in its correct context, a swearword ? :Erm:

Personally I find some of the 'smileys' and avatars used on here to be far more offensive. :)

[keithAngel]

I think "illigitimate" may be the word thats being seached for:icon_lol:

Its a funny thing Graham Marriage doesnt seem high on the priority list here in the Phils I was shocked to find out just how many people arnt in fact Married but call themselves that

Fair to say most of the Guys here got hitched at some point but beyond the obvious immigration advantages who can say why.

Commitments the thing really thats gone missing and I wouldnt myself use the bit of paper to judge anyones loving committed relationship

The Fertile one is an articulate troll that perhaps every forum needs to show off its prejudicices :D

[gWaPito]

Agreed, except that agony aunts are usually over 27 and their advice is based on experience, not just opinions.

Nice one Alan :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Comes across as a know all but, in reality, knows nothing of real life.

Rayna, its a big compromise. The biggest one you will ever make.

I too, have grown up kids living there own lives.

Cheers
Mark

[raynaputi]

Rayna, its a big compromise. The biggest one you will ever make.



I know Mark...time will tell...

[FertileOne]

It's not because he already got kids, it's because of his health...read my post again...and like i said, we both still don't know what would happen in the future, if both our minds would change...yes it might end up a nagging thought in my head if I don't accept his situation and health conditions...but i knew this long before we had a relationship yet i still am in the relationship..

Sorry Rayna, I was skipping a step, as I didn't want to sound too intrusive.

What I wanted to ask was:

What health problem does he have that impedes you from having children?

Either it's a problem with the conception. i.e. he has infertility issues. Which can be solved by going to a fertility clinic, and using IVF, IUI, ICI using his sperm, or using a sperm donor.

Or if it's a problem with the raising of the children. i.e. he is unwell/disabled and requires too much care, that adding children into the mix would be one extra unnecessary factor. In this scenario perhaps you could seek additional benefits and/or a carer.

Hopefully you can have your cake and eat it.



Rayna, its a big compromise. The biggest one you will ever make.


I agree. Maybe a better word is sacrifice.

[FertileOne]

your curiosity about age gap,has been given objectable comments ,..your main topic is 'questions about children'?? age gap, sperm donations, citizenship of a partner is not an issue in having a baby/child in a relationship whether its fil-brit,asian-asian,brit-brit,or any race.


Actually it is the issue. If it were not, then I would not have posted this on this forum. It would've ended up in Yahoo. "Dear World, who is responsible to have children?". I posted it here, because it is apparent (no matter how much it offends you), that there are many (if not the majority) of members on here who are in Fil-Brit relationships or planning to get into Fil-Brit relationships. Of these members, a lot of them are a) working with a fairly significant age gap, and or b) have already raised one family, or c) are filipinas who tend to be very maternal. Based on points (a), (b) and (c) it's a worthy question to ask. There is no malice intended, not here to p*** people off, just want to hear peoples views. The topic may not personally relate to me (you don't know), this could be a survey for all you need to know.

What I wanted to gauge was how many of you ran into such issues:

- Men who have already raised one family, might not be looking to raise another family. They may be marrying a young Filipina to have a "fun" relationship, without the 'burden' of children.

- Men who have already raised one family, might have had a vasectomy (very common after they believed their family was complete). Then may have had problems getting a successful reversal. (I know the rates vary, not everyone is successful).

- Men who are much older, may have fertility problems (and can't get their partner pregnant), or they may have health problems (and don't feel in the position to raise children).

I created the topic, to hear your views. I by no means think that I'm so perfect that I know all the reasons and problems that can arise. So I put the ball in your court.



the big question is...is every man,bloke responsible to become a father?? your young,and you've donated sperm are you ready for fatherhood fertile one?? I asked this because a lot of boys or youngsters nowadays cant keep their willy inside their pants and just multiply their genes ,wheres the fatherhood in that case??
quoting grahams' reply ' no one wants to be called a bas***rd,its not fair isnt it?:rolleyes:

The ball is in your court. If you disagree with sperm donation, or homosexuality, then I suggest you send your hate to the relevant organisations: , - But don't try to talk in a condescending manner to a sperm donor about the responsibilities of becoming a father. It's got nothing to do with me.

[bornatbirth]

i will ask you again, why does it concern you being just 27 :Erm:

oh i get it, your trying to be a sperm donor for these older men with younger wifes and your spamming that site :Erm: :NoNo:

[joebloggs]

The ball is in your court. If you disagree with sperm donation, or homosexuality, then I suggest you send your hate to the relevant organisations: http://www.hfea.gov.uk/ , http://www.lgbtconsortium.org.uk/ - But don't try to talk in a condescending manner to a sperm donor about the responsibilities of becoming a father. It's got nothing to do with me.

you ask so many questions which push the boundaries, can i ask you some now, and I plead ignorance here..

why have you deleted your visitors message ?

the 2 babies which you have 'fathered' do you have any contact with them ?

do you have contact with the 'parents' ?

[Steve.r]

you ask so many questions which push the boundaries, can i ask you some now, and I plead ignorance here..

why have you deleted your visitors message ?

the 2 babies which you have 'fathered' do you have any contact with them ?

do you have contact with the 'parents' ?

and for the second time of asking ... ARE YOU PAYING CHILD SUPPORT ???

[keithAngel]

Steve I dont think thats the right question for one thing the couple in question or the individual might not need that having adequate resources of their own

More interesting is the manner of donation and his statement that "more research "was required and if that would make him responcable if that were required Fert seems to have ducked that question twice:Erm:

[Steve.r]

yes, you are right Keith, some can be fortunate, but where in law does this lie?

[KeithD]

Sorry Rayna, I was skipping a step, as I didn't want to sound too intrusive.

What I wanted to ask was:

What health problem does he have that impedes you from having children?

Either it's a problem with the conception. i.e. he has infertility issues. Which can be solved by going to a fertility clinic, and using IVF, IUI, ICI using his sperm, or using a sperm donor.

Or if it's a problem with the raising of the children. i.e. he is unwell/disabled and requires too much care, that adding children into the mix would be one extra unnecessary factor. In this scenario perhaps you could seek additional benefits and/or a carer.

Hopefully you can have your cake and eat it.



I agree. Maybe a better word is sacrifice.

Nothing wrong with my sperm... it's tastes fine :cwm24:

:icon_lol: ... it's because I hate :censored: babies :laugher:.... kids are fine :fairedesgrimaces:

[jimeve]

Nothing wrong with my sperm... it's tastes fine :cwm24:

:icon_lol: ... it's because I hate :censored: babies :laugher:.... kids are fine :fairedesgrimaces:

Mine must taste horrid, she keeps spitting it out. :NoNo:

[raynaputi]

oh jeeezzz... TMI guys!!! :D

[sars_notd_virus]

But don't try to talk in a condescending manner to a sperm donor about the responsibilities of becoming a father. It's got nothing to do with me.

So, I am correct in my judgment and you rightfully answered it in perfect manner...Questions about having children according to fertile one:
NO FATHERHOOD,
NO RESPONSIBILITY,
JUST SPREAD AND MULTIPLY THE GENES !!:tdo13::tdo13:

[RickyR]

Sorry, what was the actual question again?

[keithAngel]

yes, you are right Keith, some can be fortunate, but where in law does this lie?


Yup depends on how:xxgrinning--00xx3:

A spokesman for Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) said: "The law says that men donating sperm through licensed fertility clinics are not the legal father of any child born through that donation. "Men giving out their sperm in any other way - such as via internet arrangements - are legally the father of any children born with all the responsibilities that carries."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7125895.stm


I will quote myself Steve maybe missed this post and link



So, I am correct in my judgment and you rightfully answered it in perfect manner...Questions about having children according to fertile one:
NO FATHERHOOD,
NO RESPONSIBILITY,
JUST SPREAD AND MULTIPLY THE GENES !!:tdo13::tdo13:

I dont think thats what he said Sars

He May be right if he donated sperm through a clinic in an official capacity its an anonoumous service without any actionable element

Or the personal arrangement with the Women whilst not being legaly without the possability of support being sought, they may well be in a position to never need to play that card,and He may have entered into an agreement not to demand or expect contact

In the States if a woman impregnates herself after fellatio the guy whilst not knowing what later occurred is still liable for support but I wouldnt suggest that the women had behaved "responcably" in that case as it was without any consent

If you are intuitively right about him though he should fit well in the Phills were irrisponcible father/motherhood is widely practiced and condoned :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[sars_notd_virus]

I dont think thats what he said Sars

He May be right if he donated sperm through a clinic in an official capacity its an anonoumous service without any actionable element


keith i have read and understand this thread and if there is a part that confuses me i have the internet to search for it,...fertile one views might be different to my views about having children ,thats why it sounds a bit illogical ...i dont have to explain myself ,otherwise i might be wasting my ink on here...


If you are intuitively right about him though he should fit well in the Phills were irrisponcible father/motherhood is widely practiced and condoned

I dont think he will fit well in the Philippines, we cannot afford him:rolleyes:....and with regards to irresponsible father/motherhood widely practiced and condone in the Phils I disagree ,... its all over the world keith.

[keithAngel]

You dont have to explain yourself Sars but then neither does anyone else, couldnt help noticing you seemed to be shouting though:)

I found it quiete interesting to find out about the paradoxes existant on this subject of sperm donating

Luckily the Health Service here in the UK will give goodly supplies of Condoms to any one asking hopefully he will avail and spread the strange and mystical idea that sex doesnt have to equal babies:rolleyes:

[sars_notd_virus]

You dont have to explain yourself Sars but then neither does anyone else, couldnt help noticing you seemed to be shouting though:)



thank u and excuse me for my caps lock(post#54),I wasn't shouting ..I was just making sure that all my keys are working properly on my keyboard:D

[keithAngel]

YOUR WELCOME

:icon_lol:

[KeithD]

I tried to donate sperm once but they said it's no good in week old tissue :angry:

[joebloggs]

i was asking because my dad died when i was 11, so i know what its like to grow up without a dad, thou i was lucky 7yrs later to have for the next 25 yrs the best step father you could ask for :rolleyes:.

I couldn't do what you do for that reason, i wouldn't want little joe to suffer, the bond we have is unbreakable, he's the best thing in my life, and i couldn't go thru life not knowing how he was, there's a saying "you owe your kids everything, but your parents nothing" :rolleyes:

[joebloggs]

I tried to donate sperm once but they said it's no good in week old tissue :angry:

i thought that was your brain you tried to donate :Cuckoo:

[Steve.r]

i thought that was your brain you tried to donate :Cuckoo:

More life in the tissue Joe ......... bugger, did I just say that out loud :Erm:

[gWaPito]

Not everyone would want to be born a b*stard either....given the choice.

It may be trendy (after thousands of years of marriage being the norm throughout the world) not to commit to marriage, but as I've already suggested, perhaps respect for the life one is creating should be put before one's own selfish needs. After all, we're not talking about naive fumbling teenagers here. :)

Obviously I was aware of the position regarding the child's right to British nationality.

I got it the first time Graham. Your point was, a moral responsibility not legal. Im with you Graham and I would hazard a guess, most of the membership are too.

[grahamw48]

I'm sounding more like my dad every day. :icon_lol::Help1:

[gWaPito]

Mine must taste horrid, she keeps spitting it out. :NoNo:


Misses says it reminds her of mashed potatoes

[gWaPito]

I'm sounding more like my dad every day. :icon_lol::Help1:

I remember the merciless taunting of a boy of eleven at my first day at high school.

The continuous chants of ....... ....... ringing out in our form room. I felt so sorry for him and it wasn't even his fault he was.

Going by Keithangel's view of the world, how times have changed :NoNo:

[keithAngel]

you mean youngsters are less judgemental:icon_lol:

plus consider where this info about ....... ........ came from i asume he wasnt black:D

[gWaPito]

The origins of the B word are irrelevant, in my opinion. Its just as shameful now as it was in September 1971.

[RickyR]

So seriously, what exactly was the original question FertileOne, what do you want to know?

[Steve.r]

So seriously, what exactly was the original question FertileOne, what do you want to know?
He is looking to sew his seeds for all of the 'old men' with 'young' gf/wives who cant manage it anymore. Any takers ? :laugher:

[Doc Alan]

He is looking to sew his seeds for all of the 'old men' with 'young' gf/wives who cant manage it anymore. Any takers ? :laugher:
There are only two ways to do this : artificial insemination, and natural insemination. Hard to swallow, and not to be entered into lightly :NoNo:

[KeithD]

Hard to swallow.......

If that's the case he's using the wrong hole :rolleyes:

[sars_notd_virus]

If that's the case he's using the wrong hole :rolleyes:

Nostrils??:Erm::rolleyes:

[KeithD]

Nostrils??:Erm::rolleyes:

Blimey ... you're more kinky than we thought :icon_lol:

[Steve.r]

Blimey ... you're more kinky than we thought :icon_lol:

Gives new meaning to 'snorting a line' :icon_lol:

[Doc Alan]

Nostrils??:Erm::rolleyes:
It takes two :icon_lol: But who knows ?

[sars_notd_virus]

you dont need to explain the clinical side of it doc,bet its awful, ouch!!:icon_lol:

[Englishman2010]

A girl went to the Dr's and asked if you can get pregnant through nasal sex. The Dr said no, so the girl said that's ok then, snnggggghhhhhhhhh

[ampy]

What's your point? Is it an innocent question or the sort of crap that a troll comes up with? Are you suggesting that everyone with a Filipina partner is in their 80's. Don't believe the stereotypes, there are lots of younger guys who have Filipina partners. Your profile says you are 27, if you think everyone who is interested in Filipinas is old, why are you here?

If you are genuine and not one of the many trolls we get, no offence intended;)

:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

well thats one way you cant get pregnant, but still have to be careful :D

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/8414947/12-year-old-gives-birth-during-school-trip.html

"Neither the girl nor her family had realized she was pregnant :Erm:, and there were no external signs to show it," a spokesman for Dutch health services told the Telegraph.

all i can say, is at least she was not British,,,

[Terpe]

A girl went to the Dr's and asked if you can get pregnant through nasal sex. The Dr said no, so the girl said that's ok then, snnggggghhhhhhhhh

:laugher::laugher::laugher:
I was thinking exactly the same joke :icon_lol: but not smart enough to express the body language. Well done :icon_lol::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Englishman2010]

A friend of a friend was a vet who specialised in bovine artificial insemination, he would tell people in the pub that he was a Bull W.nk3r

[Englishman2010]

:laugher::laugher::laugher:
I was thinking exactly the same joke :icon_lol: but not smart enough to express the body language. Well done :icon_lol::xxgrinning--00xx3:

yeah it took me a few minutes to figure out how to spell the sound out:icon_lol:

[Englishman2010]

well thats one way you cant get pregnant, but still have to be careful :D

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/8414947/12-year-old-gives-birth-during-school-trip.html

"Neither the girl nor her family had realized she was pregnant :Erm:, and there were no external signs to show it," a spokesman for Dutch health services told the Telegraph.

all i can say, is at least she was not British,,,

Isn't Groningen the Dutch word for Liverpool:D

[ampy]

:Erm::Erm::Erm: errrrr, what was the question again?
Are you selling something or what?
anyway my late husband was 49 yrs old when i marry him and i was 24,i already knew we might not have a child at all and i was ready for it ,after 4 yrs i had an IVF (from his)and now our child is 14 yrs old.
I was only 38 when he died and had all the chance to find a man near my age,,,,,stil i married n older guy 54 yrs old, i just found older brits as a very sweet,loving,kind and understanding,,,:Erm: dunno why?? and sexy too :hubbahubba:,,,,,for some reason ,,,older bloke always catch my eyes than a younger one,even they are what they called Hunk,S_ x in legs.
As far as i know filipina that get in to a situation like this very much prepared for what they might or might not have in the future.

[gWaPito]

He is looking to sew his seeds for all of the 'old men' with 'young' gf/wives who cant manage it anymore. Any takers ? :laugher:

If that's the case, he's targeted the wrong forum.

[gWaPito]

A friend of a friend was a vet who specialised in bovine artificial insemination, he would tell people in the pub that he was a Bull W.nk3r

That reminded me watching Rebecca Loos doing the same to a four legged pig. Very classy lady :NoNo:

[gWaPito]

:Erm::Erm::Erm: errrrr, what was the question again?
Are you selling something or what?
anyway my late husband was 49 yrs old when i marry him and i was 24,i already knew we might not have a child at all and i was ready for it ,after 4 yrs i had an IVF (from his)and now our child is 14 yrs old.
I was only 38 when he died and had all the chance to find a man near my age,,,,,stil i married n older guy 54 yrs old, i just found older brits as a very sweet,loving,kind and understanding,,,:Erm: dunno why?? and sexy too :hubbahubba:,,,,,for some reason ,,,older bloke always catch my eyes than a younger one,even they are what they called Hunk,S_ x in legs.
As far as i know filipina that get in to a situation like this very much prepared for what they might or might not have in the future.

Thanks for sharing Ampy

[keithAngel]

He might be able to teach us how to multi-quote:icon_lol:

[Englishman2010]

If that's the case, he's targeted the wrong forum.

Especially in your case Gwap:xxgrinning--00xx3: You've proved there's still plenty of lead in your pencil:D

[Englishman2010]

He might be able to teach us how to multi-quote:icon_lol:

I've never been able to figure that one out:NoNo:

[keithAngel]

He might be able to teach us how to multi-quote:icon_lol:

Me not either with the button



I've never been able to figure that one out:NoNo:

If I want to do that I hit reply to the first and copy then reply second move and paste perhaps I will stumble onto clear instructions one day:icon_lol:

[Englishman2010]

i just post several times if i want to reply to several posts...at least it gets my post count up :icon_lol:

[gWaPito]

i just post several times if i want to reply to several posts...at least it gets my post count up :icon_lol:

That's also my train of thought, Englishman :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Englishman2010]

That's also my train of thought, Englishman :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Great minds think alike:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[keithAngel]

you missed a bit:icon_lol:

[ampy]

Thanks for sharing Ampy

you are welcome Gwapi2:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[purple]

and he's gone because he can't sow his seeds in this forum

[keithAngel]

or perhaps he was inundated.......................................................................... with requests:icon_lol:

[gWaPito]

or perhaps he was inundated.......................................................................... with requests:icon_lol:

Agreed but, I doubt they are from this site:xxgrinning--00xx3: