Well done Belgium - Burka banned from today

[Dedworth]

BRUSSELS, July 23 (UPI) -- A ban against women wearing Muslim burqas and niqabs that cover their faces went into effect in Belgium Saturday.

The new law carries a penalty on conviction of a $200 fine or as much as a week in jail, Deutsche Welle reported.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2011/07/23/Burqa-ban-goes-into-effect-in-Belgium/UPI-63771311427098/#ixzz1Sw9Uiq3X

[grahamw48]

Agree. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

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[Arthur Little]

:anerikke: ... is it REALLY all that important? I mean ... take a "look at the face" of the young man arrested for the shootings :NEW4: in Oslo ...

... his only "disguise" was a police uniform!

[Dedworth]

:anerikke: ... is it REALLY all that important? I mean ... take a "look at the face" of the young man arrested for the shootings :NEW4: in Oslo ...

... his only "disguise" was a police uniform!

That Somali creature who shot the WPC in Bradford escaped the country under a Burka as I think have Muslim extremists so in my book it is very important that people can't walk about with their faces concealed in public.

If they want to get this sort of stone age garb on in the privacy of their own homes the it is up to them but certainly not publicly in a 21st Century Western Democracy

[grahamw48]

How on earth can this be acceptable in our society of 'equality' ...quite apart from any 'security' issues ?

What a bunch of hypocritical cringing fools we have running our country. :cwm23:

This sort of primitive nonsense is what feeds right wing extremists like the Norwegian murderer.

[bornatbirth]

i would rather ban the wearing of lycra on overweight women :)

[bornatbirth]

If they want to get this sort of stone age garb on in the privacy of their own homes the it is up to them but certainly not publicly in a 21st Century Western Democracy

do you wear your chelsea top only at home :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Tawi2]

If I cant wear a motorbike helmet or balaclava when entering a bank why should an islamic female be able to wear a burka?Its an extreme example but perfectly reasonable,burkas are for repressing women,they really do have no other use whatsoever other than to keep your woman private and under control,good on Belgium,when do we ban it?;)

[bornatbirth]

If I cant wear a motorbike helmet or balaclava when entering a bank why should an islamic female be able to wear a burka?Its an extreme example but perfectly reasonable,burkas are for repressing women,they really do have no other use whatsoever other than to keep your woman private and under control,good on Belgium,when do we ban it?;)

if your wearing a burka you can be asked to remove it, cant see what the fuss is about.

i wonder if jews will be asked to shave next?

[Tawi2]

I KNEW you would take the bait BAB :icon_lol:
Shaving isnt an analogy at all,hair growth is natural,a burka isnt ;)
An islamic female entering a bank isnt asked to remove her veil,not in the UK,we are far too limp-wristed,as Ded pointed out thats why WPC Beshenivsky's killer Mustaf Jama donned a burka to walk unchallenged through Heathrow,the face veil has no use in this country whatsoever,when in rome respect the country your in and its values,get rid of the burka here ;)

[Dedworth]

if your wearing a burka you can be asked to remove it, cant see what the fuss is about.

i wonder if jews will be asked to shave next?

:Erm: Not a lot of point in asking an escaped bank robber or terrorist to remove it is there ?

[bornatbirth]

I KNEW you would take the bait BAB :icon_lol:


same old topic being spammed in this forum thou, whats the fuss all about :Erm:

[bornatbirth]

:Erm: Not a lot of point in asking an escaped bank robber or terrorist to remove it is there ?

how many have you seen or been reported in the news :Erm:

[Tawi2]

how many have you seen or been reported in the news
Off the top of my head I can think of 2 robberies carried out by guys wearing Burkas,one was actually on TV,maybe crimewatch a long time back ;)

[Dedworth]

how many have you seen or been reported in the news :Erm:

:laugher: Because you can't see them ?

[Dedworth]

Robber dons burka in Bury jeweller's shop raid

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8665315.stm

Three arrests in Burnley armed robbery probe

11:01am Wednesday 29th June 2011

THREE men have been arrested in connection with an armed robbery at a Burnley jewellers where one of the thieves was dressed in a burka.

The men, aged 19, 24, 26, were arrested in Bolton yesterday morning.

The robbery happened at Muzzaffar Jewellers in Brougham Street, Burnley on February 19, this year.

The shop owner was duped into opening the locked door by someone ringing the shop bell dressed in a burka.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/crime/9111386.Three_arrests_in_Burnley_armed_robbery_probe/

[Tawi2]

Just did a quick search,there are quite a few Burka Bandits actually ;)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209006/Jewellers-robbery-Oxfordshire-burka-clad-man--150-000-designer-watches-stolen.html

[bornatbirth]

:laugher: Because you can't see them ?

exactly my point, show me the facts...according to tawi we have 2 yes just 2 reported crimes being committed wearing a burka, i think we should ban the wearing of the burka at the utmost of importance :Erm:

[Tawi2]

according to tawi we have 2
Thats incorrect :rolleyes: i said off the top of my head i can THINK of two,there are lots more,i remember some in paris as well :)

[bornatbirth]

thats correct you posted 2 crimes :icon_lol:

btw are we going to ban the burka because a crime is committed in paris.

we all know why we want the burka banned and it as nothing to do with crime.

[Dedworth]

exactly my point, show me the facts...according to tawi we have 2 yes just 2 reported crimes being committed wearing a burka, i think we should ban the wearing of the burka at the utmost of importance :Erm:

Jury sees 21 July London Bomber 'burka escape'

CCTV images of one of the 21 July bomb suspects apparently fleeing London in a Muslim veil have been shown in court.

The jury at Woolwich Crown Court saw footage of Yassin Omar, 26, wearing a black full-length dress and burka with a handbag over his arm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6378863.stm

[Terpe]

Here's my view.
Ban the burka by all means, but also ban motorbike helmets, unless you're actually riding a motorbike and ban balaclava's, hoodies and scarves over the face etc etc in any designated or pedestrianised area.
That seems fair to me.

[Tawi2]

thats correct you posted 2 crimes
Would you like me to post some more ;)

[bornatbirth]

Would you like me to post some more ;)

post as many as you like, still no reason to ban it.

[Tawi2]

At the end of the day it serves one function only,thats to stop other guys looking at your wifes face and make her anonymous,thats it,simples :icon_lol: it doesnt belong in a modern civilised country(and this country is indeed civilised compared to the likes of pakistan and afghanistan) I always adhere to the policy when in rome :) we no longer subjugate women in this country,burkas dont really have a place in a civilised society,what are they going to claim as their right next?Female circumcision? :rolleyes:

[bornatbirth]

live and let live, i agree with what you say but theres far more things i would like to ban before the burka :)

[grahamw48]

post as many as you like, still no reason to ban it.

:rolleyes:

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[Tawi2]

So whats the purpose of a burqa BAB?

[bornatbirth]

:rolleyes:

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all alone in a room full of grumpy old men, agree :D

[bornatbirth]

So whats the purpose of a burqa BAB?

to be honest....im not that interested but what interests me why would anyone want it banned, by banning it what will it stop :Erm:

[tone]

I agree with the ban - I think it has its place but not in a society where it helps mask pretty bad crimes.
only 2 have been mentioned here but those IMHO were 2 crimes too many.

On a funny side when I went to Penang on the beach were quite a few burkha clad groups having their group photos taken, I can see in 20 years the person holding the photo asking "which one was me?":omg:

Its the lighter side of life we have to focus on isnt it..

[Tawi2]

interests me why would anyone want it banned, by banning it what will it stop
so your not interested in what the burka is for,its function?Its for the subjugation of women,visit Afghanistan sometime,its an eye-opener,women are relegated to dog-like status :rolleyes: what will we allow to seep into our society next,sharia courst?Oh,sorry,we already have underground sharia operating in several parts of this country,ok,what about underage marriages?Its perfectly acceptable in islam to marry a 9 year old isnt it?Should we ban Ibrahim from birmingham wanting to marry his cousin who is underage but residing in Peshawar and stop him bringing her here?They protect their beliefs and their society,we should do likewise :)

[bornatbirth]

so what are the reasons for banning in it france and now belgium :Erm:

[Tawi2]

im not that interested but what interests me why would anyone want it banned
BAB this says it all :icon_lol: you have no idea what its original purpose was/is you just dont like the idea of it being banned :rolleyes: France and belgium probably banned it because it contravenes a womans right to be human,without the religious brainwashing from birth and without the dominance of an islamic husband most women would like their faces bathed in sunlight not swathed in cloth ;)

[bornatbirth]

the burka doesnt bother me, so i just cant see the purpose of banning it or the reason why it needs banning because after a ban, what difference will it make.

[Tawi2]

What difference will banning it make?It might make women who are no longer forced to wear it feel just a little more human,it might make husbands who can no longer force their wives to wear it integrate into the society they have chosen to live ;)

They wear Burka because they are commanded by Islam to cover their bodies and not to show it to any outsider person. For this reason, Muslim women use various methods to cover their bodies. Some use scarves, some veils, and some Burka; the basic objective remains the same.

[Tawi2]

At the end of the day its only islamic men who compell their wives to walk around like black-cloth postboxes :rolleyes: I am sure if the women werent afraid to air their views they would choose not to view the world through a gauze veil :rolleyes: Have you ever lived in an islamic country BAB?:Erm:

[bornatbirth]

At the end of the day its only islamic men who compell their wives to walk around like black-cloth postboxes :rolleyes: I am sure if the women werent afraid to air their views they would choose not to view the world through a gauze veil :rolleyes: Have you ever lived in an islamic country BAB?:Erm:

if you read many of the posts in this forum, some would say we already are :D

i have little interest either living in or visiting a islamic country and have never seen anyone in the uk wearing a burka.

[Tawi2]

have never seen anyone in the uk wearing a burka.
:rolleyes:

[grahamw48]

bornatbirth.....you need to get out more. :rolleyes:

[Arthur Little]

cant see what the fuss is about.

Neither can I, personally. :NoNo: Oddly enough, I was requested to remove my leather trouser-belt going through 'Security' at Prestwick Airport when Myrna & I were about to board our Ryanair flight to Rome last month. What a :censored: kerfuffle that turned out to be ... I'd already spent ages in getting the confounded thing through the [much smaller] loops on my trousers before setting off from home.

Needless to say, :rolleyes: I wasn't too happy at having to struggle for almost 5 minutes each side of the scanner in order to comply with the couple of seconds it takes to walk through. :angry: But I'd no choice! Luckily, that was the only time during our holiday that I was asked to perform like some kind of contortionist stripper :erotic4: within crowded confines. :doh

[Arthur Little]

bornatbirth.....you need to get out more. :rolleyes:

:) Ah ... he's like me in that respect, Graham. We Moderators need to keep all you lot in order. :icon_lol:

[Dedworth]

bornatbirth.....you need to get out more. :rolleyes:

Slough, Sparkbrook & Alum Rock B'Ham, Luton, Leicester, Dewsbury for starters

[grahamw48]

:) Ah ... he's like me in that respect, Graham. We Moderators need to keep all you lot in order. :icon_lol:

Taken in the spirit that was intended by you Arthur. :)

Some others just enjoy trying to wind members up in a rather childish way though, and that is just plain irritating and not at all amusing. It just spoils what is otherwise a pleasant board to chat on. :NoNo:

[les_taxi]

It's a funny thing to wear,I drive around Harrogate not a Burka or veil in sight,drive into Bradford and they are everywhere.
I think it looks sinister and something which should remain in the past.
It just makes things worse and openly segregates one culture from another and we know where that leads:omg
It's good to see more and more countries banning it although due to our limp wristed politicians and the fact it's too widespread I can't see it being banned here in the forseeable future:NoNo:
Also to me it's a lack of respect for western culture-When i was in Thailand and entered Buddist temples I took my shoes off and refrained from taking photos as requested Ie I respected their way of life and traditions.
Same should apply here !

[Tawi2]

When i was in Thailand and entered Buddist temples I took my shoes off and refrained from taking photos as requested Ie I respected their way of life and traditions.
Same should apply here !
EXACTLY :xxgrinning--00xx3:
If I became a Knight of the Klan,accepted their doctrine,truly believed in their cause,and strode around openly in my robes and hood would you defend as vehemently my right to do so BAB?

[scott&ligaya]

The real issue here in my opinion is the ever growing discontent/uncomfortableness of western Europeans in general with the growing demands of their Islamic populations, who know everything about their "rights" and nothing about the obligations to contribute to and engage civily in the society they have "chosen" to live in. As an obvious manifestion of the segragation and isolation they exhibit the Burkha is an easy target as well as offending the majority held view in these western european countries of womens human and equal rights. The events in Norway by an insane christian fundamentalist COULD not and probably would not have happened if this creeping Islamisation had not been allowed to happen. I absolutely do not condone what he did but the underlying cause is obvious..... take away the unease and make it clear that to our minority muslim population that they need to observe and take account of OUR way of life if they wish to benifet from living here. As Graham pointed out, when working/holidaying in Muslim countries we take care not to offend and in some cases FEAR holding hands, wearing short sleeved shirts etc etc etc.

[Dedworth]

The real issue here in my opinion is the ever growing discontent/uncomfortableness of western Europeans in general with the growing demands of their Islamic populations, who know everything about their "rights" and nothing about the obligations to contribute to and engage civily in the society they have "chosen" to live in.


As JFK said

"ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"

[Englishman2010]

Also to me it's a lack of respect for western culture-When i was in Thailand and entered Buddist temples I took my shoes off and refrained from taking photos as requested Ie I respected their way of life and traditions.
Same should apply here !

Completely agree Les:xxgrinning--00xx3: A few months ago I was in Brunei and wanted to go inside the Sultan's Mosque. I was asked to take off my shoes, wear a long black gown and leave my camera and phone outside. That seemed reasonable to me. If you are in another land with different customs/rules you have to respect them and if you don't agree with them, go somewhere else.

[Dedworth]

More encouraging news - Italy is set to join the list of sensible nations banning the Burka :xxgrinning--00xx3:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2021638/Burkha-ban-Italy-set-join-Belgium-France-banning-burkha-public.html

[les_taxi]

We will only do it if there was a spate of sustained terrorism in UK methinks.