Tottenham riots last night........ [Archive]

Tawi2

7th August 2011, 09:19

Tottenham had riots last night,the local rumour was it was triggered(pardon the pun)by the shooting dead of an IC3(Black)kid on thursday after he fired at local plod :rolleyes: Rioters attacked the local cop-shop throwing petrol bombs and torching several police vehicles,they burned a large number of buildings in the area,looted the local retail park,torched peoples houses etc Its already being likened to the broadwater farm riots,I just watched sky-news and saw a queue of black kids lining up to jump through shop windows to knick whatever is around,I wonder why there hasnt been a formal announcement from Downing Street as this all began at 8pm last night :Erm:

Tawi2

7th August 2011, 09:34

Sorry,No10 have issued a statement......

The scenes from last night are totally unnaceptable,

Thats it,succinct,short'n'sweet :Erm:

Tawi2

7th August 2011, 09:35

But what do you expect given Tottenhams "Multiculturalism" :NoNo::rolleyes:

Tottenham is a multicultural hotspot with many different ethnic groups inhabiting the area. It is often referred to as a black area because it contains one of the largest and most significant populations of African-Caribbean people. These were among the earliest immigrant groups to settle in the area, starting the UK's Windrush era soon after West African communities - notably the many Ghanaians - begun to migrate into the area. Between 1980 and the present day there has been a slow immigration of Colombians, Albanian, Kurdish, Turkish-Cypriot, Turkish, Irish, and Portuguese populations.[citation needed] South Tottenham is reported to be the most ethnically-diverse area in Europe, with up to 300 languages being spoken by its residents.

johncar54

7th August 2011, 09:39

This is an almost carbon copy of the Tottenham riot in 1985. The only difference is that this time the rioters did not make a premature start to the riot (unlike in 1985 when it started on the Broadwater Farm Estate instead of as planned in Shopping City, where they could have looted the shops).

Was Enoch Powell correct ?

les_taxi

7th August 2011, 10:29

Instant deportation for anyone caught rioting/looting that might make a few of then reconsider their actions:cwm23:

Tawi2

7th August 2011, 10:38

Instant deportation
To where though?Most of these black kids were born here in the UK,no one else will accept them :NoNo:

johncar54

7th August 2011, 10:38

This overlapped the last comment

Instant deportation for anyone caught rioting/looting that might make a few of then reconsider their actions:cwm23:

Where do you deport 3rd and 4th generation immigrants to, they are British ?

And to be able to deport anyone the 'receiving country' must agree to accept them. Can you imagine the outcry if the UK agreed to accept a pedophile who murdered some children say in Australia, who happened to be the grandson of an immigrant who left UK in the 1950's.

Sorry Les, your idea is unworkable.

Tawi2

7th August 2011, 10:45

Tomorrow some half-assed MP will turn up there with a bunch of camera-men and promise regeneration,investment etc for the area,a think-tank will work out whats best to keep the local youths appeased,but at the end of the day no-ones going to have the bottle to tell the truth to the cameras,that its just a bunch of criminal minded trouble making drug-taking immigrants doing what they do best :rolleyes:

les_taxi

7th August 2011, 10:46

Deport anyone who was not born here is what I meant sorry.

johncar54

7th August 2011, 10:49

But I would bet that almost all involved last night were born in UK. Probably the children of the 1985 rioters !

In the 1985 Broadwater Farm riot they were almost all, (or maybe even all) were British

The ethnic mix of those arrested reflected almost exactly the population balance. (I was on the investigation, so I know the details)

les_taxi

7th August 2011, 10:57

To me putting peoples lives at risk,looting having no regard for anyone's safety is totally unacceptable and is clearly racist against the white community.
How can we regard these people as british?

johncar54

7th August 2011, 11:00

To me putting peoples lives at risk,looting having no regard for anyone's safety is totally unacceptable and is clearly racist against the white community.
How can we regard these people as British?

They were born in UK, probably 3rd / 4th generation.

Les I think you did not read my info re the riots in 1985. The rioters then were the same ethnic mix as the local population. As I remember, about 2/3rds black 1/3 white, and more or less they were all British born and bred (I could probably check that that info which I have)

Tawi2

7th August 2011, 11:06

They were inviting gang-members from other boroughs into Haringey to participate in the riots on Facebook....

Rhia 'Creole' Lawrence
x Is this a place where I can get info on sustaining the demonstration and protest of the riots? I want info on meeting points and such! x :rolleyes:

les_taxi

7th August 2011, 11:07

Why is it then if they are British as I am I would not feel safe at all wandering through certain areas in the country on an evening,like Hare-hills,Bradford etc.
Always when we speak out about these issues we get accused of being Racist but many many so called 'British' people are more racist than we can ever imagine.

Tawi2

7th August 2011, 11:09

Because your white Les,thats the top and bottom simple answer ;)

les_taxi

7th August 2011, 11:12

Yet a black person can wander through Harrogate a predominately 'white' town and feel totally safe-interesting point don't you think?

grahamw48

7th August 2011, 11:13

This is what happens when you have people who have no pride in or loyalty to 'their' country, and who have been brought up harbouring feelings of resentment against the host community their whole lives.

There is no easy answer, and the people responsible for enabling the situation are long since dead. :rolleyes:

les_taxi

7th August 2011, 11:14

Bang on Graham:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Tawi2

7th August 2011, 11:16

You do all realise of course that theres only one man who can solve this dilemma,one solution to this problem to stop it escalating?..........................DEDWORTH:cwm23:

les_taxi

7th August 2011, 11:17

Deworth talks sense,pulls no punches and says it how it is:xxgrinning--00xx3:

johncar54

7th August 2011, 11:28

They were inviting gang-members from other boroughs into Haringey to participate in the riots on Facebook....

The 1985 Tottenham riots also had a quite a lot of people from outside the locality. As I said, last night appears to be an almost carbon copy of 1985.

The authorities did not learn then and they won't learn now.

Glad I live in Spain!

les_taxi

7th August 2011, 11:30

I think it would be Australia for me now.
There again the far right party's membership will grow and grow and one day it will kick off.

Tawi2

7th August 2011, 11:33

Glad I live in Spain!
I was there for three months working earlier this year,spain has its problems as well :icon_lol: I didnt used to like the "Gordon-and-cyril's" (Guardia Civil).

Friday, May 27, 2011
Spanish Riots
The Spanish economy continues to crumble. Total unemployment in the country is now hovering at 22%, and unemployment for people age 18 - 35 is now over 45%.

The youth, after spending tens of thousands of dollars on a college education, have no job opportunities available for them. In order to pass the time during the day they have begun forming protests which continue to become more and more violent.

Ironically this is only the warm up for what is in store for Spain. Soon the country will need a bail out on its government debt. They will be forced to cut spending significantly (spending that goes toward the tax payers to stimulate the economy) and the money saved and additional money borrowed will be used to bail out the banks and ensure their continued record high salaries. (See Greece, Ireland, and now Portugal)

However, before we get to the truly violent rioting following the coming bank bail outs, we can take a look at the calm gatherings on the streets on Spain this afternoon. And yes, that is a police officer slamming a baton into a young girl's stomach 30 seconds in......

Tawi2

7th August 2011, 11:35

I think it would be Australia for me now.
Canada is nice :) it certainly wouldnt be the philippines though :rolleyes: with massive population growth and abject poverty things have a habit of changing for the worst :rolleyes:

johncar54

7th August 2011, 11:37

I have lived in Spain for 23 years. I have never been frightened to walk down any road, at anytime of the day or night ( I am an averagely built 71 year old). I was born in Camberwell, grew up in Brixton and I would never go to either ever again.

les_taxi

7th August 2011, 11:38

Canada is damn boring,a friend of mine worked there for a year and was bored shitless.
I know a Canadian in Harrogate and of course she supported Wales yesterday:yikes:
Loser:laugher:

stevewool

7th August 2011, 11:40

its hard living and saying what you feel without being called a racist, yes as many say on here is true, we are white and we still beleive in our country, i dont know the answer to this what to do who to blame and so on, it will only get worst is my thought

Tawi2

7th August 2011, 11:40

Canada is damn boring
I like fishing,as long as you like fishing then canada is super-interesting :icon_lol: if you dont like fishing then canada is damned boring :NoNo:

johncar54

7th August 2011, 11:43

Enoch Powell's speech in 1968:- 1968 (it could never happen 'they' said)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html

Tawi2

7th August 2011, 13:03

I just read the rivers of blood speech through twice,he was a visionary,very forward looking with clear sight.

In 15 or 20 years, on present trends, there will be in this country three and a half million Commonwealth immigrants and their descendants. That is not my figure. That is the official figure given to parliament by the spokesman of the Registrar General's Office.

There is no comparable official figure for the year 2000, but it must be in the region of five to seven million, approximately one-tenth of the whole population, and approaching that of Greater London. Of course, it will not be evenly distributed from Margate to Aberystwyth and from Penzance to Aberdeen. Whole areas, towns and parts of towns across England will be occupied by sections of the immigrant and immigrant-descended population.

Tawi2

7th August 2011, 13:08

I am watching sky news,I can see "North London College" behind the newscaster,it looks like a genuine small shopfront :Erm: There are a number of somali and pakistani guys behind the newscaster trying to get their faces on camera,I wonder if thats how they got in,as "Students" :rolleyes:

grahamw48

7th August 2011, 13:10

Enoch simply understood human nature.

He was a clever and eloquent man, despised by the stupid and naive. :rolleyes:

Dedworth

7th August 2011, 21:53

If these scum want to behave like savages they should be treated as such. I'd be for an immediate change in law whereby looters were shot on sight.

As Tawi said earlier too Handwringers will be out en masse tomorrow blaming social conditions and unemployment. What is needed is a total overhaul of the current criminal justice system and the introduction of severe deterrent punishments to fit the crime.

Tawi2

7th August 2011, 22:18

Its started kicking off again,this time in Enfield,few shops been looted and vehicles burnt,BUT theres a massive police presence in the area to deal with it before it gets out of hand like last nights fiasco :rolleyes:

les_taxi

7th August 2011, 22:36

Great to know we are paying for all this mess and extra policing.
Looters are very high on the scum of the earth scale shoot on sight in my opinion:cwm23:

grahamw48

7th August 2011, 22:43

Yes, they'll be ready to issue the £80 fixed penalties...or more likely a 'caution'. :rolleyes:

As Dedworth says, time to regain control over the criminal scum by imposing penalties which fit the crime. :angry:

Colour or race has nothing to do with it.
It's just time that some of these people got rid of the huge chip on their shoulder and buckled down to bettering themselves.

I saw that hand-wringing black woman MP on TV tonight, dodging questions about why other 'deprived' communities don't seem to feel the need to burn down their surroundings, while blaming everyone but themselves for their low-life existence. :NoNo:

Arthur Little

8th August 2011, 00:13

:anerikke: ... although barely 14 yrs old at the time, the 1958 Notting Hill race riots still strike a chord with me!

KeithD

8th August 2011, 09:38

Southern Savages :xxgrinning--00xx3: ... I always said us Northerners were a much more refined and educated type of person :D

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 10:19

grahamw48

8th August 2011, 10:33

I agree with you Dedworth, and yes it was rent-a-gob. :rolleyes:

scott&ligaya

8th August 2011, 11:34

oh dear,, that job in poluted Shanghai is looking more attractive every hour

South-east boy

8th August 2011, 12:00

Time for the Police to forget the softly softly approach. Boots, batons and plastic bullets need to be the order of the day with CS Gas and Water Cannons used unsparingly. It's the only language these criminal rioters and looters understand.

I didn't watch TV last night - No surprise to hear what Graham said about the black woman MP, I assume it was that rent-a-gob Diane Abbott, according to this she'd been on the Red Stripe http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1513891

Was thinking myself that they should have gone in harder with armoured vehicles with water canons etc, maybe even send the army in as there clearly wasn't enough Police to cope with it or to be able to capture, hand-cuff and lock up the rioters/looters/arsonists. These scum get away with it too often! :cwm23: Think most of them just use anything as an excuse to go crazy and fight, wreck, burn and steal as much as they want.

Said in the news that Comet, PC World, Aldi, Jewellers etc were emptied of their stock and also others burnt down. A lot of people lots their homes and businesses as well as their local stores. All the damage etc was meant to cost £100 million to sort out! Just what everyone needs in these current times!

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 12:18

'Diane Abbott' ......:D
Knew it would be her to could not think of her bloody name

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 12:44

In France the CRS wouldn't have pussyfooted about - no questions, no stand off straight in with fists, boots and bats.

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 13:30

Once you start looting then the original reason you were meant to be there was clearly bullshit and a front to commit crime,in fact it's an insult to the family of the deceased.

imagine

8th August 2011, 13:34

i dont know whats wrong with having a peacful demonstration:NoNo:

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 13:41

Once you start looting then the original reason you were meant to be there was clearly bullshit and a front to commit crime,in fact it's an insult to the family of the deceased.

Quite right Les - we need a return to the old days where the Commander on the ground reads the scum the Riot Act which indemnified the Police/Troops against any legal action should the rioters be killed or injured - thus clearing the way to open fire on them.

imagine

8th August 2011, 13:46

Quite right Les - we need a return to the old days where the Commander on the ground reads the scum the Riot Act which indemnified the Police/Troops against any legal action should the rioters be killed or injured - thus clearing the way to open fire on them.

i agree with that, but it will never happen without kicking the whole thing off countrywide

Steve.r

8th August 2011, 14:01

REVOLUTION....... :cwm24:

imagine

8th August 2011, 14:25

iv thought for many years that eventualy our country would crumble to a lawlesness and full out anarchy , a joint police milatary state, and i believe it will, all the pressures are there boiling up to explode:cwm23:

scott&ligaya

8th August 2011, 14:54

scarier and scarier every day it seems.... well at least if you are unlucky enhough to live in certain parts of the country. I will admit to being sheltered mostly from the less salubrious elements of our current society but apart from reading stuff and watching the news I have not seen major effects on my or my familys life to date. I was a bit shocked the other week when I went on a bus in Birmingham for the 1st time since the mid eighties and went out to Wednesbury on the Wolverhampton 79 service. I kid you not that I was one of two white people on the bus!!!!! felt wierd like being back on the MTR in hong Kong where being 6ft 2 and blond haired/fair skinned you stick out!!!!. I did not however feel unconfortable or in danger in any way even as we drove through Handsworth LOL. My fellow passengers in the main were travelling home from the city , were well dressed, seemed happy enough with their lot and were just your average office/shop workers heading home. In fact the South Asian lady next to me engaged me in conversation about the weather hehehehehe how British is that!!!. Equally there are areas of the Uk where the ethnic minorities have CHOSEN and been ALLOWED to not integrate in any way. This is where the seeds of resentment and ignorance have started and what need challenging.

The UK seems the only place in the world where the majority of the ciitizens have been made to feel like 2nd class citiziens in their own country. the thread on pensionsers vs asylum seekers said it all for me :doh:doh

scott&ligaya

8th August 2011, 14:55

as for the rioters, put them up against a wall and shoot them all... absolute scum just taking what others have to work for

johncar54

8th August 2011, 15:05

Incredible responses from some posters.

Not so long ago the great British public were condemning the police officer who pushed Ian Tomlinson who refused to take an 'order' from a police officer in a riot situation.

How can the police ever hope to get it right after Parliament (those we elected) allowed the situation to occur and who chose to ignore the views of Enoch Powell, who as we see in hindsight, got it practically 100% right.

scott&ligaya

8th August 2011, 15:14

Personally I would never question any police action that stands the test of natural justice rather than the straighjacket of made up laws and meida with an agenda. At all times the police are as accountable as the next man or woman but they do an incredibly difficult jobs for scant reward and should rightly command our respect.

Arthur Little

8th August 2011, 15:19

:anerikke: ... although barely 14 yrs old at the time, the 1958 Notting Hill race riots still strike a chord with me!

:D ... guess I'm one of very few members old enough to remember THEM. :yeahthat:

scott&ligaya

8th August 2011, 15:21

imagine

8th August 2011, 15:22

a policemans lot is not a happy one:laugher:,

its difficult for police their hands are tied to the law, cant do wrong for doing right, but someones has to take responsiblity as to how each situation is handled

grahamw48

8th August 2011, 15:23

I was in Malaya in 1958, but I do recall the riots there and in Singapore in 1957, when we had to have an armed guard on our barbed wire-covered school bus, and my dad was permitted to bring his service rifle home with him. :cwm24:

Arthur Little

8th August 2011, 15:26

they do an incredibly difficult jobs for scant reward

:iagree: with you about their [oft' times] difficult jobs ... but not quite so sure about the "scant reward" ... :Erm: ...

grahamw48

8th August 2011, 15:27

Aye...plenty of overtime. :)

Arthur Little

8th August 2011, 15:32

... because - whatever else they are :rolleyes: - they're certainly well-paid.

Arthur Little

8th August 2011, 15:35

Aye...plenty of overtime. :)

Correct, Graham ... :gp:

johncar54

8th August 2011, 15:41

Ok here goes,

fior a moment lets actually disuss the underlying tone of this thread WAS ENOCH RIGHT?

so lets say for instance that the majority opinon in the country could be shown to want an end to immigration, forced repatriation of law breakers and non integrators. how would you make it work? Could such a referendum actually happen even if people wanted it to. remember the 100,000 person e petition. would that guarantee a discussion ... unlikely so what non violent process could be followed?

Oh did he say anything about us having non white South East Asian wives and beautiful mix children?

One of the problems in UK is that some (maybe many) members of the immigrant community (and I include their offspring) have over the years established the right to be treated differently from the average citizen.

Why should any group expect to be provided with public money to support their (alien) community and the way of life they may have had before they arrived? Why should they be able to demand that the system be changed to suit them?

When a person settles in UK they get all the rights that everyone has, free education, free health service, social security benefits etc. So why should they demand and get more? But they do and they will continue to do so.

I live in Spain. If I am lucky I get a fair deal compared with Spaniards. I am grateful for that, I do not expect to get a better deal.

scott&ligaya

8th August 2011, 15:46

spot on John, it is the demanding more and more... and getting it that really winds me up. I mean Sharia law zones !!!!!! I cannot believe we even allow the posting of the flyers.

scott&ligaya

8th August 2011, 15:49

BUT How CAN IT BE CHANGED that is my question for my fellow forummers.. assuming that you would want to change something... it`s after all easy for us to sit here and complain about stuff. who has the solution and the inclination to change it.. I will say now . not me.. too busy providing for my family... and looking for a way out of here.. yes cowardly if you like, easier to run than fight..probably but I am expressing my free will before we do not have any.

johncar54

8th August 2011, 15:50

:iagree: with you about their [oft' times] difficult jobs ... but not quite so sure about the "scant reward" ... :Erm: ...

I don't know for sure what a copper gets paid in UK today, but from conversations with officers who are currently serving, I don't think they get as good a deal as I got. I retired in 1988 and was getting something like £3,500 a year rent tax free allowance. That for sure does not exist any more, neither does free housing. Also I believe on promotion now they must sign up for a three contract, again I was virtually guaranteed a job until I retired at 30 years service.

It was also a lot less dangerous then to be a copper and in general they had the support of the public, unlike now. I would not recommend anyone to join up now. Thank God though many still do.

johncar54

8th August 2011, 15:56

BUT How CAN IT BE CHANGED that is my question for my fellow forummers.. assuming that you would want to change someting... it s after all easy for us to sit here and complain about stuff. who has the solution and the inclination to change it.. I will say now . not me.. too busy providing for my family... and looking for a way out of here.. yes cowardly if you like, eaiser to run than fight..probably but I am exprdessing my free will before we do not have any.

I suspect that the only way to prevent rioting is to have the power to order people to leave the area. (As it was Reading the Riot Act) If they did not do so within say 15 minutes, the force used should in effect be unlimited based on the fact anyone who chooses to ignore the order would be volunteering for what ever happened to them. Of course I am in reality just dreaming !!!!- Nothing of the sort will ever happen.

Arthur Little

8th August 2011, 16:06

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 16:15

johncar54

8th August 2011, 16:23

I can only imagine there eventually be some sort of civil war.
Sorry to sound so depressing but that's my opinion of the way things will eventually turn out,
Either that or we will get a very powerful right wing government one day and they will 'deal' with the situation:NoNo:
It's a bad state of affairs and of course when this all dies down we will all be happier but it will never go away and as the immigrant community grows and grows they will reach a size where their will of life will be imposed on us all I fear:NoNo:

Or eventually, the minority groups will take over and the indigenous Brits will be ignored and pushed to one side (Rather like the established 'class' in Southern Rhodesia, the wealth creators being expelled) or look at history, the Native Brits were replaced by the various invading hoards, Angles, Saxon, Vikings, Romans, French etc.

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 16:26

One of the problems in UK is that some (maybe many) members of the immigrant community (and I include their offspring) have over the years established the right to be treated differently from the average citizen.

Why should any group expect to be provided with public money to support their (alien) community and the way of life they may have had before they arrived? Why should they be able to demand that the system be changed to suit them?

When a person settles in UK they get all the rights that everyone has, free education, free health service, social security benefits etc. So why should they demand and get more? But they do and they will continue to do so.

I live in Spain. If I am lucky I get a fair deal compared with Spaniards. I am grateful for that, I do not expect to get a better deal.

A very valid point

Why should they be able to demand that the system be changed to suit them? The answer to this is the Labour Party buying the immigrant vote and as you know they extended this by throwing open the floodgates to mass uncontrolled immigration thus having millions of future voters beholden to them.

I'm not really sure how many years it's been going on so it might be wrong to say the Tories haven't had the balls to change it - however I suspect they don't have them otherwise Human Rights legislation would be binned by now.

johncar54

8th August 2011, 16:33

The original immigrants were brought to UK from West Indies after the war (early 50's I think) to do the jobs which the indigenous Brits either would not do or to fill the vacancies caused by the loss of male lives during the war.

The first wave were 'grateful' for their new jobs, worked hard, were law abiding and stayed in their jobs until retirement. Unfortunately it was the subsequent generations of UK born 'immigrants' (some of whom) were and are the problem.

Arthur Little

8th August 2011, 16:34

look at history, the Native Brits were replaced by the various invading hoards, Angles, Saxon, Vikings, Romans, French etc. ...

:D ... not forgetting the maraudng Picts & Scots :Kilt::Kilt::Kilt: from across what is NOW regarded as being the border!!

Arthur Little

8th August 2011, 16:45

a policemans lot is not an 'appy one :laugher:

:nono-1-1: ... NOT according to Gilbert & Sullivan's 'Pirates of Penzance'. :D

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 16:53

Well it's 30 years since the classic horror movie 'The evil dead' came out so I will watch it to cheer myself up:D

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 18:05

Kicking off again,Hackney they looted JD Sports,smashed bus windows,looted other shops,burnt a car,its also going off in Lewisham.:Erm:

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 18:06

Shoot the ....ers:cwm23:

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 18:10

Its the frustration of the yoof,y'get me blood innit?:icon_lol:

grahamw48

8th August 2011, 18:14

Maybe if one of them fire-bombs hit the Houses of Parliament the spineless MPs will return from their holiday homes and do something about it. :rolleyes:

...not that I'm holding my breath.

Things are shaping up for another Bosnia in a few years time.

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 18:18

the spineless MPs will return from their holiday homes and do something about it.
Fear not,Mayor Boris has pledged to cut-short his valuable vacation time and return henceforth to londinium to quell the riot single handed :laugher: We need snatch-squads,water-cannon,and rubber bullets,oh and a modicum of tear-gas,they have had their fun,time for the gloves to come off ;)

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 18:23

Maybe if one of them fire-bombs the Houses of Parliament the spineless MPs will return from their holiday homes and do something about it. :rolleyes:

...not that I'm holding my breath.

Things are shaping up for another Bosnia in a few years time.

Yep can see it,I'm fuming with whats going on and it's miles away from me.
If i hear the phrase 'disaffected youths' again from idiots like that Jasper guy on sky earlier again I will blow a fuse!
Disaffected my .... just an excuse for crime

grahamw48

8th August 2011, 18:24

Perhaps we can ask NATO or the United Nations to intervene. :Erm:

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 18:29

We have to change the rules of the game slightly,I just saw a pic on TV a Yoof has posted on facebook showing him posing at home beside his big pile of looted booty :rolleyes:

grahamw48

8th August 2011, 18:31

The way it's going, they WILL have to bring the army in. :NoNo:

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 19:02

Theres just been a Hackney black youth leader on TV telling how the rioting Yoofs were equal % black and white:Erm: I have HD TV,my eye sight isnt bad,and I have been to ghetto'ised london boroughs including Hackney......................She is lying ;):laugher:

Englishman2010

8th August 2011, 19:07

The way it's going, they WILL have to bring the army in. :NoNo:

with live ammo:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Arthur Little

8th August 2011, 19:17

Yep can see it,I'm fuming with whats going on and it's miles away from me.
If i hear the phrase 'disaffected youths' again from idiots like that Jasper guy on sky earlier again I will blow a fuse!
Disaffected my .... just an excuse for crime

Hmph ... 'disaffected youths'? More need to "disinfect those yobbos - with a good, bloody thrashing! :xxaction-smiley-047

Pete/London

8th August 2011, 19:18

The way it's going, they WILL have to bring the army in. :NoNo:

Well if they do I hope its the Ghurkas, they will show them what to do with knives.

Its all kicking off around me, lots of stuff not being reported, we have had to cancel a birthday celebration tonight due to gangs roaming London E18 and Woodford areas mugging anyone they come across.

My boys friend ,who is the manager of Edmonton Halfords, was there all night after they were ransacked, a local shopping precinct has been closed down. Shocking state of affairs.

The only answer I can come up with is its the hardworking honest people who should be out on the streets tearing up the `establishment` who got us into this mess.:cwm23:

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 19:21

Aaron Lennon takes it on his chest and brings it down, passes it to Bassong who runs with it before laying it off to Huddlestone, Defoe spots a window and makes a run, Huddlestone sees him and makes the pass and Defoe puts it away nicely. "Right lads," says Palacios, "let's get one more Plasma before the f*****g pigs get here.

Many a true word said in jest ;)

Englishman2010

8th August 2011, 19:24

Watching the news tonight it looks as though the trouble is spreading to other London suburbs with diverse ethnic mixes. How long until we start seeing copycat riots in other cities with high proportions of non indigenous people as per the mid 1980's riots?

Arthur Little

8th August 2011, 19:42

If i hear the phrase 'disaffected youths' again I will blow a fuse!

Hmph ... 'disaffected youths'? More need to "disinfect those yobbos - with a good, bloody thrashing! :xxaction-smiley-047

:icon_sorry: ... you haven't actually "heard" the [offending] phrase again, Les :NoNo: ... only just :ReadIt: ... along with my suggestion on how to deal with this intolerable behaviour from those deviant, so-called :rolleyes: members of the human race. :yeahthat:

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 19:49

Get the army in,amnesty for any mis-haps to these .......s.
Close the cps down for a month and sort this mess out now and lay down extremely severe measures from midnight tmrw for anyone caught offending-Black or white!
The edl and bnp must be rubbing there hands at the moment
Not sure if question time is on on wednesday but no doubt that bag Abbott will be on it defending the ethnic minority:censored:
I just hope while she is on one of the mob raid her bloody house and steal all her possessions including her Koran and Burka:D

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 19:54

Englishman2010

8th August 2011, 20:03

The French had their Problems with descendants of immigrants rioting in Paris and Marseilles a couple of years ago. I can't remember how they dealt with it, but I'm sure they didn't stand back and watch like we are. We need Martial Law with the Army patrolling the London streets and a nightime curfew of 8pm for a few weeks until it all settles down again.
Anyone caught rioting and positively identified on CCTV footage should be sent to Afghanistan as IED fodder for the Taliban

bornatbirth

8th August 2011, 20:06

I'd be surprised if it didn't spread to other cities, this is the result of years of the handwringing, politically correct, liberal elite pandering to the pondlife and putting the "rights" of the wrongdoers before those of the victims.

Lawlessness will still retain it's grip on the country until sanctions are in place which make the crims shake with fear.

:icon_lol: your full of hot air....if you guys feel so strongly, who have you been voting for all these years, your all just guilty as the handwringers for letting it happen :Erm:

scott&ligaya

8th August 2011, 20:12

have to agree with that Bornatbirth, I have made it clear that I will not even bother to fight for this, my family yes... England.. THERE WILL BE NOT A LOT WORTH saving SOON and in any event I am Scottish LOL.

Arthur Little

8th August 2011, 20:12

Not sure if question time is on on wednesday

No, :NoNo: ... 'Question Time' is usually televised on Thursday nights following the main 10 o'clock National, International & Regional News programmes. But I think it's having its customary break for the "summer" :raining: months - unless, of course, the BBC decides to rustle up a special edition in the light of the current crisis. :anerikke:

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 20:13

I'd be surprised if it didn't spread to other cities
My mates just phoned me,theres unrest in Birmingham,youths are gathering as we speak ;)

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 20:17

My mates just phoned me,theres unrest in Birmingham,youths are gathering as we speak ;)

Looting now in Birmingham:cwm23:

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 20:18

:icon_lol: your full of hot air....if you guys feel so strongly, who have you been voting for all these years, your all just guilty as the handwringers for letting it happen :Erm:

Well I obviously haven't been voting for the failed Labour party who are mainly responsible for the morally bankrupt, lawless, multicultural cesspit that this country has become.

Sounds like it might be starting to smoulder in Birmingham.

Time to break open the Plastic Bullets and CS Grenades. To be honest I don't know why the Police haven't used baton rounds yet. Fire a few volleys of them at the rampaging mob, bring a load of them down, take them into custody assisted with a few savage baton blows.

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 20:19

:icon_lol: your full of hot air....if you guys feel so strongly, who have you been voting for all these years, your all just guilty as the handwringers for letting it happen :Erm:

Certainly not Labour as for full of hot air and letting it happen what planet are you on Bornatbirth:Erm:

Arthur Little

8th August 2011, 20:19

:icon_lol: your full of hot air....if you guys feel so strongly, who have you been voting for all these years, your all just guilty as the handwringers for letting it happen :Erm:

Really? :rolleyes: ... and HOW do you suppose 'New - or old - Labour' would've dealt with this sort of rumpus?

scott&ligaya

8th August 2011, 20:19

BLACK OUT THE MEDIA NOW and let the police loose, THE MEDIA ARE STOKING THE FLAMES

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 20:21

Really? :rolleyes: ... and HOW do you suppose 'New - or old - Labour' would've dealt with this sort of rumpus?

Out on bail for a few months, sentenced to a few cups of tea and biccies with the probation officer and a foreign holiday thrown in so the offender fully realises the serious nature of his crimes. I'm sure BaB would join Millibore & Co in supporting this type of severe penalty.

scott&ligaya

8th August 2011, 20:22

This has just help make a decision for me I have been wrestling with, wait 10 more months for Ligayas UK passport so we can travel more easily or just get the hell out now

bornatbirth

8th August 2011, 20:23

have to agree with that Bornatbirth, I have made it clear that I will not even bother to fight for this, my fanily yes... England.. THERE WILL BE NOT A LOT WORTH saving SOON and in any event I am Scottish LOL.

i think johncarr says get out and vote with your feet to make a difference, sadly too many of us complain but rarely do anything.

bornatbirth

8th August 2011, 20:26

Really? :rolleyes: ... and HOW do you suppose 'New - or old - Labour' would've dealt with this sort of rumpus?

whats it got to do with new labour :Erm:

you want change then make it and stop complaining, voting labour or tory won't make a difference.

scott&ligaya

8th August 2011, 20:28

just wait for a shopkeeper to shoot some little .... and he will be the devil incarnate instead of a hero

Englishman2010

8th August 2011, 20:29

i think johncarr says get out and vote with your feet to make a difference, sadly too many of us complain but rarely do anything.

That's true, we have become apathetic as a nation, that's the effect of years of nonsense PC laws pandering to the minorities and taking away our rights to defend our homes or property, neighbourhoods and country, and when a homeowner does take the law into their own hands and shoots a burglar they are detained at Her Majesty's Pleasure.

bornatbirth

8th August 2011, 20:29

Certainly not Labour as for full of hot air and letting it happen what planet are you on Bornatbirth:Erm:

so, who are you going to vote for in the next election :Erm:

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 20:29

whats it got to do with new labour :Erm:

Am I wrong in thinking that it was Blair who as a cynical ploy to ensure future votes let in 1000's of absolute scum of the earth

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 20:30

i think johncarr says get out and vote with your feet to make a difference, sadly too many of us complain but rarely do anything.

We elect mp's and parties according to our beliefs, hopefully they then decide on policies we would wish for.
Too often it all gets watered down and 'Tough action' is often diluted.
I personally cannot do too much as I am not in power.
I could join the Bnp or Edl and throw my weight about that way but I would rather see things solved amicably and I'm not against any colour.
If you were to give me the power I would be so harsh and would sort all this out with force against force.
I love my country and would never give in and leave due to other cultures trying to take over.
Many,many people young and old feel the same thank god for that:xxgrinning--00xx3:

scott&ligaya

8th August 2011, 20:33

just let the ordinary folk take up arms and take back their country, the politicians will not

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 20:34

just let the ordinary folk take up arms and take back their country, the politicians will not

Be careful what you wish for:D

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 20:36

just wait for a shopkeeper to shoot some little
its a pity that pedophile homosexual Thomas Hamiltons awful actions deprived the law abiding citizens(I felt a wave of patriotism wash over me there:icon_lol: )of private pistol ownership,I used to have a great collection,one day theres going to be a dark civil unrest in this country :Help1:

scott&ligaya

8th August 2011, 20:40

it is crazy, where are all the decent normal people, why is this allowed to happen, FEAR OF THE PC HANDWRINGERS that is what it is..... we need a charasmatic leader to take up the challenge... oh .... that is WHAT THE GERMAN PEOPLE wanted and look who they got

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 20:41

If only Maggie was thirty years younger:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Englishman2010

8th August 2011, 20:43

If only Maggie was thirty years younger:xxgrinning--00xx3:

We've got Dedworth:D:xxgrinning--00xx3:

scott&ligaya

8th August 2011, 20:44

very true Les or Norman Shwarzkopf, if they let him loose in the 1st place there would have been a gulf 2.

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 20:45

Makes me wish for snatch squads and secret police:yikes:

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 20:48

bornatbirth

8th August 2011, 20:51

Maybe it's time for a musical interlude :)

ochPvx1xGMs

showing your true colours :Erm:

Terpe

8th August 2011, 20:52

showing your true colours :Erm:

Black and White?
:D

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 20:53

Met Police have urged Londoners to contact their children and ask them to return home,as if modern day IC3 yoofs take notice of their single-parent mothers :laugher:

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 20:59

BIT CLOSE TO HOME :cwm24: MASSIVE fires in CROYDON :cwm24:

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 21:03

That fire in Croydon is serious ....:omg:

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 21:05

showing your true colours :Erm:

:laugher: I knew someone would come out with that sort of remark.

It was written for the 1972 film Cabaret

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 21:05

Several fires in croydon at the moment Les,crowd of 200 looters running riot,this HAS to make someone somewhere stand up and say ENOUGH :NoNo:

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 21:09

Yes any jokes aside this is serious .... now and it needs bringing to a halt immediately,Special powers need granting to the police and immunity from any prosecution.

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 21:12

Major league p*ss take!!Snatch squads....NOW!Rubber bullets.....NOW!!Water cannon....NOW!!CS Gas....NOW!! :cwm23:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 21:14

so, who are you going to vote for in the next election :Erm:

The conservative party but with .... like this going on I may move completely towards the right:yikes:

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 21:17

major league p*ss take!!snatch squads....now!rubber bullets.....now!!water cannon....now!!cs gas....now!! :cwm23:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675

exactly

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 21:22

Cameron has FINALLY decided to pull his finger out and will board a plane later tonight due to arrive back tomorrow,what a simpering idiot,this late in the game???Action NOW not words for the next couple of days!!!Shoot a couple of the ringleaders and clear the streets!!!Small scale looting has started in Birmingham.

Moy

8th August 2011, 21:28

is watching skynews now:NoNo:..big fire in croydon:doh

prime minister to return to London overnight:rolleyes:

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 21:32

He was right,its only a matter of time,maybe not today,maybe not tomorrow or next week,but he was most certainly right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23MEL7424aQ&feature=player_embedded

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 21:36

Met Police have urged Londoners to contact their children and ask them to return home,as if modern day IC3 yoofs take notice of their single-parent mothers :laugher:

Doesn't that just sum up the naive, politically correct , fast tracked type *ank**s in charge of our Police forces

Moy

8th August 2011, 21:38

watching this make me thinks:cwm24::rolleyes: is this criminality..brutality or just pure human nature??:doh:angry::doh
fire on croydon is till spreading on buildings:cwm3:
difficult tragic evening indeed

Farmerg

8th August 2011, 21:39

Syria?

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 21:53

Massive amount of looting currently going on in Clapham,Debenhams has been stripped as have a number of other shops and theres not one single copper in sight,they are being spread very thinly tonight,the looters are having a field-day.

Tawi2

8th August 2011, 22:06

Bla...blah....blah,Words....words....words,all spouting the same old diatribe,not one of those supposedly in power have the bollox to take off their gloves and actually make a decision,and remember any decision is better than indecision,what a chaotic shambles :rolleyes: none of them get my vote next time,UKIP for me.

branno

8th August 2011, 22:08

wot the hell makes people behave this way.. and why is it the largest section of young offenders in britain is young and black..?

branno

8th August 2011, 22:09

bornatbirth

8th August 2011, 22:17

:laugher: I knew someone would come out with that sort of remark.

It was written for the 1972 film Cabaret

at least hilter could walk the talk or at least tried, unlike you :D

The conservative party

UKIP for me.

doing either will make a difference?

Steve.r

8th August 2011, 22:30

It is all just disgusting what is happening, I am watching sky news now :cwm23::cwm23: They all really need shooting. Get the army in and start clubbing the :censored:'s, no mercy for the looting scum:cwm23:

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 22:34

It is all just discusting what is happening, I am watching sky news now :cwm23::cwm23: They all really need shooting. Get the army in and start clubbing the :censored:'s, no mercy for the looting scum:cwm23:

I'll second that but we'll have to wait until bab and the probation service has had a chat with them over a cup of tea and a spliff about the issues that force them to go on the rampage

les_taxi

8th August 2011, 22:39

Tried watching tv to take my mind off this but I'm just getting angrier:cwm23:
Sorry for this but shoot the f....... looters in the face, f... em.

Steve.r

8th August 2011, 22:41

I'll second that but we'll have to wait until bab and the probation service has had a chat with them over a cup of tea and a spliff about the issues that force them to go on the rampage
Maybe the scum needs an arm around their shoulders and a whisper of 'there, there, there' in their ears. A warm drink of milk and off to bed for a good sleep, ready for work/school in the morning.. :NoNo:

grahamw48

8th August 2011, 23:02

To whom it may concern:

I voted UKIP.

I was tempted to vote BNP, but I have close relations (obviously) and good friends from ethnic minorities who are very good and decent people.

Unfortunately it HAD to come to this for some people to sit up and take note of what are the inevitable consequences of their naive and short-sighted immigration and 'law and (dis)order' policies. :NoNo:

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 23:02

Cameron has been making noises about hiring ex LAPD & NYPD Chief Bill Bratton to run the Met Police.

In a similar vein I'd like to see ex Davao Mayor Rodrigo Duterte as the next Mayor of London - he's a man with some forward thinking ideas on how to deal with criminal pondlife

grahamw48

8th August 2011, 23:07

It doesn't matter WHO they have running the police.
Until sensible laws are introduced that don't tie the hands of the police and the courts, then he will be just as impotent. :NoNo:

Oh, and not forgetting FIRST get rid of that nonsense human rights legislation, which has totally emasculated our whole legal system ! :cwm23:

Dedworth

8th August 2011, 23:13

It doesn't matter WHO they have running the police.
Until sensible laws are introduced that don't tie the hands of the police and the courts, then he will be just as impotent. :NoNo:

Of course you are right Graham but I don't think your average Lewisham Looter shakes with fear when the Met Commissioner appeals to his mummy to make sure he's off the streets and threatens to publish CCTV images.

Doesn't exactly send out the sort of message I want to hear although it probably sounds nicely soothing to "Yoof Workers" and "Community Leaders"

bornatbirth

8th August 2011, 23:21

I'll second that but we'll have to wait until bab and the probation service has had a chat with them over a cup of tea and a spliff about the issues that force them to go on the rampage

thanks for the mention but i havent anything in common with them :icon_lol:

scott&ligaya

9th August 2011, 07:41

right now if any leader of any party or anyone with a major profile stepped forward and actually said what real people are thinking he /she would be elected tomorrow, it is time to deal with the dregs today, why should they be allowed to take what we all have to work for and then pay 40% income tax on plus 20% on anything I buy with what is left:doh:doh:doh:doh.

Dedworth

9th August 2011, 08:42

Nothing less than an Iron Fist will sort this out.

Theresa May is completely out of touch "We can deal with it. We can deal with it with robust policing, with good use of intelligence, but also with the help and support of local communities."
"The way we police in Britain is not through use of water cannon."

Utter nonsense as I said before we need Fists, Boots, Batons, Plastic Bullets, CS Gas and Water Cannon. Followed by swift trials for the perpetrators on the most serious charges eg Attempted Murder with those guilty being given maximum custodial sentences.

bornatbirth

9th August 2011, 08:54

Utter nonsense as I said before we need Fists, Boots, Batons, Plastic Bullets, CS Gas and Water Cannon. Followed by swift trials for the perpetrators on the most serious charges eg Attempted Murder with those guilty being given maximum custodial sentences.

your certainly get them all ranting with that :Erm:, well done dedworth.

when are we going to see you in action?

KeithD

9th August 2011, 08:59

All quiet in my neck of the woods, although I did here a couple of sheep rubbing against the gate post :rolleyes:

johncar54

9th August 2011, 09:04

We elect mp's and parties according to our beliefs, hopefully they then decide on policies we would wish for.
Too often it all gets watered down and 'Tough action' is often diluted.
I personally cannot do too much as I am not in power.
I could join the Bnp or Edl and throw my weight about that way but I would rather see things solved amicably and I'm not against any colour.
If you were to give me the power I would be so harsh and would sort all this out with force against force.
I love my country and would never give in and leave due to other cultures trying to take over.
Many,many people young and old feel the same thank god for that:xxgrinning--00xx3:

But you DO HAVE THE POWER.

Everyone with a vote in UK does. The problem is, not really who you vote for but what you INSIST he or she does when they are in power. It's no good just voting and then sitting back for five years until the next election. Like all the vociferous minority groups who get laws implemented and changed, you must harass your MP to do what the majority want.

Unfortunately I know in saying this I am p------ in the wind.

I have to pay taxes in UK but I don't have a vote. You who do, PLEASE get into gear and make your voices heard.

Steve.r

9th August 2011, 09:17

PLEASE get into gear and make your voices heard.
Just like the scum rioters, but they dont want anything, just the stuff they pilfered and stole from the shops and lives they destroyed. :xxaction-smiley-047

Terpe

9th August 2011, 09:19

I watched the BBC news and listened to reports from the local people.
They all said the same.
Feral youths masked up, openly organised and just plain looting and setting fire AT WILL.
Also it was reported that police presence was either non-existent or woefully undermanned for up to 2 hours.
The looters were seen planning their targets and were really taking time to steal just what they wanted.

scott&ligaya

9th August 2011, 09:25

Steve.r

9th August 2011, 09:50

You are right, people will start metering out their own justice if the justice system is failing them, then watch out!! :NoNo:

But still, these riots are certainly taking the heat off of the hacking stories and global financial meltdown

scott&ligaya

9th August 2011, 10:28

apparently Cameron is speaking at 1030 am, lets see what he is going to do about it

subseastu

9th August 2011, 11:03

I have heard a rumour that the local traders in one part of Birmingham are arming themselves with baseball bats and other weapons and will block off thier part of a particular street.... it will happen if the Police arent let loose properly and the courts lined up behind them, lets find a deserted island off the Orkneys and just dump them all there, see how they like fending for themselves

Whats the betting the rozzers then come and arrest those that where protecting their own bussinesses and not the scum rioters that where trying to rob / torch said bussinesses. Its all about justifiable force

Dedworth

9th August 2011, 11:14

apparently Cameron is speaking at 1030 am, lets see what he is going to do about it

:cwm23: Limp wristed - state violence is the only way to deal with the feral scum. We need a curfew plus widespread use of plastic bullets, CS gas and water cannon.

South-east boy

9th August 2011, 11:51

Kent Police say 10 people have been arrested after three cars were set alight in Chatham and a number of bin fires were started in Gillingham and Rainham.

Getting a bit close to home! :NoNo:

scott&ligaya

9th August 2011, 12:17

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggg I despair... volunteers wanting to help clean up at Clapham junction have been told they cannot due to HEALTH & SAFETY reasons.. :doh:doh:doh:doh

grahamw48

9th August 2011, 13:08

Facebook and Twitter can work both ways. :)

http://catchalooter.tumblr.com/

scott&ligaya

9th August 2011, 13:16

yes and I believe Blackberry are helping the police, good for them

grahamw48

9th August 2011, 16:44

My (Policeman) nephew is on his way to help out now...from N.Yorks. :)

scott&ligaya

9th August 2011, 16:52

well lets just hope he will be okay and that he is given the right kit to look after himself

les_taxi

9th August 2011, 17:14

But you DO HAVE THE POWER.

Everyone with a vote in UK does. The problem is, not really who you vote for but what you INSIST he or she does when they are in power. It's no good just voting and then sitting back for five years until the next election. Like all the vociferous minority groups who get laws implemented and changed, you must harass your MP to do what the majority want.

Unfortunately I know in saying this I am p------ in the wind.

I have to pay taxes in UK but I don't have a vote. You who do, PLEASE get into gear and make your voices heard.
Sorry but you don't seem to understand how Mp's operate.
It's like the same old chestnut about capital punishment you can have 90% of the population in favour but if your mp does not agree he will not vote for it-that's how it all works,you can jump up and down and do all you want but he won't change his mind.

now I could vote for another party who's mp's might carry out my wishes but they probably would not get elected as the main parties have and possibly will always have power and these parties are too scared to sort this crap out.

johncar54

9th August 2011, 17:26

Sorry but you don't seem to understand how Mp's operate.
It's like the same old chestnut about capital punishment you can have 90% of the population in favour but if your mp does not agree he will not vote for it-that's how it all works,you can jump up and down and do all you want but he won't change his mind.

now I could vote for another party who's mp's might carry out my wishes but they probably would not get elected as the main parties have and possibly will always have power and these parties are too scared to sort this crap out.

But the problem is that hardly any of the 90% bother to contact their MP.

I did so many years ago, when they were having a free vote in Parliament on the death penalty, to ask how my MP would vote (and to insist, if he was not in favour, to vote for its return) In the conversation he told me that only 3 people, out of an electorate of around 100,000 had called him to on the subject (it was the day of the vote).

As I say, the vociferous minority get their people to hassle their MP's and that is why they get laws implemented, unfortunately most people (including you Les it seems) wrongly believe their voice is not important. Your MP will vote a particular way if the vast majority of those who put him in power, and who have the ability at the next election to remove him, want.

Because I know how it works, that is why I say, get off your a......s and chivvy your MPs. But you won't because you will say, my opinion won't change anything, and yes, with that attitude it won't !!!

The reason we are having the problems now is because we did not insist that our MP's passed the laws which we (maybe guided by Enoch Powell's speech in 1968) knew were needed. Thus we can only blame ourselves.

les_taxi

9th August 2011, 17:33

Can't blame me for that as I was too young to vote or harass Mp's then:D
Enoch Powell's speech was bang on and I remember getting derided on this forum for mentioning it some months ago:icon_lol:

johncar54

9th August 2011, 17:35

les_taxi

9th August 2011, 17:53

But that was FORTY years ago, what have you done since to change anything ? Nothing I guess,

Sorry Les I am not singling you out, unfortunately you made the point so I am using you as an example. I did also say 'We' but I too have no vote in UK.
Yes I have done something helped to get labour out one of the main reasons we are in this mess.
I take offence to your 'nothing I guess' comment
I vote conservative but may change to another party far more to the right if this .... continues.

johncar54

9th August 2011, 18:02

Sorry Les mate, I was saying 'I guess' from what you posted.

Sorry but you don't seem to understand how Mp's operate.
It's like the same old chestnut about capital punishment you can have 90% of the population in favour but if your mp does not agree he will not vote for it-that's how it all works,you can jump up and down and do all you want but he won't change his mind.

now I could vote for another party who's mp's might carry out my wishes but they probably would not get elected as the main parties have and possibly will always have power and these parties are too scared to sort this crap out.

As I said that is not correct, unless the voters allow it to happen.

Minority group do get their way because they speak out, loud and strong. IF the silent majority did the same they would not fail to do what we want.

les_taxi

9th August 2011, 18:45

Sorry Les mate, I was saying 'I guess' from what you posted.

As I said that is not correct, unless the voters allow it to happen.

Minority group do get their way because they speak out, loud and strong. IF the silent majority did the same they would not fail to do what we want.

I stand by what i said

but if your mp does not agree he will not vote for it-that's how it all works,you can jump up and down and do all you want but he won't change his mind
We need the right Mp's to start with which may not come from the usual party's but from other smaller but more vocal and decisive party's.
Anyway I'm moving on from this one as no doubt there will be more to discuss tonight from events.

Ako Si Jamie

9th August 2011, 19:40

The off-licence near me was done over last night. My mate works there and about 30 youths in balaclava's came in nicked champagne, the contents of the till, the cigarettes and other stuff then smashed the place up. :cwm23:

Tawi2

9th August 2011, 21:28

tottenham have signed a new Somalian striker............ GRABATELLI ;)

bornatbirth

9th August 2011, 21:30

tottenham have signed a new Somalian striker............ GRABATELLI ;)

surely hes italian?

Tawi2

9th August 2011, 21:31

Around 40-50 white caucasian english guys aged between 30-45 are currently patrolling the streets of Enfield as a civilian peacekeeping neighbourhood watch scheme.;)

Tawi2

9th August 2011, 21:32

surely hes italian?
Did you send me the TXT 'cos if you did you put Somali,I know absolutely zilch about footie so I wouldnt know who grabatelli really is :Erm:

branno

9th August 2011, 21:38

Englishman2010

9th August 2011, 21:42

I was watching the news from Birmingham earlier, they interviewed a white teenage Chavette looter who was justifying the thieving in Brum last night, she was talking in an urban Pattois:Erm::rolleyes: Why do white kids from the West Midlands feel the need to speak like they come from Kingston, Jamaica:NoNo:

Tawi2

9th August 2011, 21:43

Around 40-50 white caucasian english guys aged between 30-45 are currently patrolling the streets of Enfield
Numbers have doubled to maybe 80-100 vigilantes,god help any looters they chance upon :icon_lol:

bornatbirth

9th August 2011, 21:44

you have to sound street these days, innit blood :D

Tawi2

9th August 2011, 21:44

Why do white kids from the West Midlands feel the need to speak like they come from Kingston
Wiggers innit bruv ;)

Englishman2010

9th August 2011, 21:46

I think the education system is gonna be blamed for all these troubles.. out of all those arrested, not one has a gcse...:icon_lol:

As i watched the news last night, a reporter asked a thief why she was stealing mobile fones from a shop.. she replied " its a tax rebate"... :icon_lol:

I saw something similar on the news, the reporter was asking a non Anglo-Saxon female looter in her 30's if she was proud of herself for looting in Curry's. She said she was getting her taxes back:laugher::laugher: Oh yeah, like she has worked all of her life and paid millions in taxes:rolleyes: Aren't the state benefits she's probably sponged for years enough for her

bornatbirth

9th August 2011, 21:46

Numbers have doubled to maybe 80-100 vigilantes,god help any looters they chance upon :icon_lol:

tawi, go home to bed..get les to drop you, ded and graham home before you guys get yourselfs in trouble :D

Englishman2010

9th August 2011, 21:51

Numbers have doubled to maybe 80-100 vigilantes,god help any looters they chance upon :icon_lol:

Good for them, hopefully a lot more honest law abiding citizens make a stand against this scum. It's time we took back control of our streets.

It's the same in Southall, hundreds of Seikhs are out pratrolling and guarding their temple, good for them:xxgrinning--00xx3:

grahamw48

9th August 2011, 21:54

Yep...payback time, and considerably more of a threat to the scumbags than a £80 fixed penalty or a caution. :rolleyes:

Tawi2

9th August 2011, 21:57

tawi, go home to bed
Never go seeking trouble for it will surely find you Tawi he say :icon_lol: I am a man of peace :)

Sim11UK

9th August 2011, 21:58

Englishman2010

9th August 2011, 22:03

I saw that, hopefully she's been arrested now. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

The West Mids Police seems to have arrested a far higher % of rioters than their colleagues in The Met. last count was 150 ish in the Mids and 500 odd in London, but there's been 20 or 30 times the trouble in London.

There were rumours of planned trouble in Leicester tonight, but so far it's quiet:xxgrinning--00xx3: Apparantly the Police blocked all entrances to the City Centre and main shopping centres at around 4PM, it looks like it was effective:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Just as I finished typing this, the news has said that Police in Leicester are tackling a small group of youths in the City centre

Tawi2

9th August 2011, 22:06

"I Predict A Riot"

Watching the people get lairy
It's not very pretty I tell thee
Walking through town is quite scary
It's not very sensible either
A friend of a friend he got beaten
He looked the wrong way at a policeman
Would never of happened to Smeaton
An old leodensian
I predict a riot
I predict a riot
I predict a riot
I predict a riot
I tried to get to my taxi
The man in a tracksuit attacks me
He said that he saw it before me
And wants to get things a bit gory
Girls scrabble round with no clothes on
To borrow a pound for a condom
If it wasn't for chip fat they'd be frozen
they're not very sensible
I predict a riot
I predict a riot
I predict a riot
I predict a riot
And if there's anybody left in here
That doesn't want to be out there
Watching the people get lairy
It's not very pretty I tell thee
Walking through town is quite scary
It's not very sensible
I predict a riot
I predict a riot
I predict a riot
I predict a riot
And if there's anybody left in here
That doesn't want to be out there
I predict a riot
I predict a riot
I predict a riot
I predict a riot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamKl-su8PE&ob=av2e

les_taxi

9th August 2011, 22:14

Let's see some rubber bullets fly:xxgrinning--00xx3:
I would give one warning tonight last chance and then tomorrow shoot anyone kicking off,looting or goading the police.

branno

9th August 2011, 22:18

Steve.r

9th August 2011, 22:23

we are way too soft for that Les ... unfortunately :doh

Tawi2

9th August 2011, 22:33

we are way too soft for that
Nope WE are not,its our glorious leaders who spent the last three or so days dilly-dallying sipping G&T's in Tuscany who have emasculated us shackling our hands,given immunity from prosecution I bet there are a few members of this site who would have no compunction whatsoever with firing an L5 PBR into a crowd of riotous Looters :icon_lol:

branno

9th August 2011, 23:02

time to start using those epetitions.direct.gov.uk if this is wot a riotous gang can do now we have less police on our streets.. wot chance do we have if we have another war.. come on cameron time to wake up sunshine

Jimbojac

9th August 2011, 23:10

Enoch simply understood human nature.

He was a clever and eloquent man, despised by the stupid and naive. :rolleyes:
From what i can remember he was a " sure thing" to rise to the very top but his famous Rivers of blood speech abruptly curtailed his career. Churchill was hugely outspoken when out of office but as we all know rose to the occasion once the " real" challenge of WWII beckoned.
True visionaries are often ahead of their time.

Dedworth

9th August 2011, 23:12

Good for them, hopefully a lot more honest law abiding citizens make a stand against this scum. It's time we took back control of our streets.

It's the same in Southall, hundreds of Seikhs are out pratrolling and guarding their temple, good for them:xxgrinning--00xx3:

:xxgrinning--00xx3:Sounds encouraging I hope that whilst on the streets if they can't find any looters in action they pay a visit to the local drug dealers and give them a tap with the bat

Tawi2

9th August 2011, 23:20

they pay a visit to the local drug dealers
They will be swinging like a major league baseball match then as southall is chock-a-block with somali,pakistani,indian,polish AND sikh dope sellers,guys like the Bassi's are on every street corner ;)

Dedworth

9th August 2011, 23:24

They will be swinging like a major league baseball match then as southall is chock-a-block with somali,pakistani,indian,polish AND sikh dope sellers,guys like the Bassi's are on every street corner ;)

Haven't been there for years. I always had the Sikhs down as fairly law abiding and business orientated. Anyway I hope a few skulls do get split open something the Police have failed miserably at with their sticks over the past few days.

Tawi2

9th August 2011, 23:31

I always had the Sikhs down as fairly law abiding and business orientated.
Normally they are,but nowadays lots of Southall's Yoof want to be Gangstas :NoNo: I know a few bad guys over there,dont like the area one jot,there are quite a few turf skirmishes with minor league drug-players in that general area,basically its a ghetto.

grahamw48

9th August 2011, 23:33

Plastic bullets have been authorised....according to newspaper. :)

Why the hell didn't they just impose a curfew ??? :cwm23:

Dedworth

9th August 2011, 23:39

Plastic bullets have been authorised....according to newspaper. :)

Why the hell didn't they just impose a curfew ??? :cwm23:

That's the solution I proposed 12 hours ago :)

:Limp wristed - state violence is the only way to deal with the feral scum. We need a curfew plus widespread use of plastic bullets, CS gas and water cannon.

grahamw48

9th August 2011, 23:45

Well, it seems obvious if a bunch of hoodies are wandering about near the centres of trouble, they need dealing with.

If it was illegal to be out after say 8pm in the company of more than one other person, then it would be easier for the police to round them up and stick them in a prison van, instead of waiting for looting or violence to start. :rolleyes:

Anyone covering their face should be ordered to remove it or be arrested.

Dedworth

9th August 2011, 23:49

Well, it seems obvious if a bunch of hoodies are wandering about near the centres of trouble, they need dealing with.

If it was illegal to be out after say 8pm in the company of more than one other person, then it would be easier for the police to round them up and stick them in a prison van, instead of waiting for looting or violence to start. :rolleyes:

:appl: Simple but effective. Wouldn't go down too well I fear with the Limp Wristers running the Police Forces and the Country

bornatbirth

10th August 2011, 00:00

Well, it seems obvious if a bunch of hoodies are wandering about near the centres of trouble, they need dealing with.

have you been watching the news :Erm:

Dedworth

10th August 2011, 00:06

A sensible comment

Chuka Umunna, Labour MP for Streatham, which includes Brixton, says he wants to see Blackberry's messenger service "temporarily disabled" between 1800 BST and 0600 BST to stop those organising disorder.

Dedworth

10th August 2011, 00:22

A large number of the knuckledraggers arrested have been charged with Burglary - max sentence 10 years. What's the odds on none being given anything like that ?

johncar54

10th August 2011, 07:44

The West Mids Police seems to have arrested a far higher % of rioters than their colleagues in The Met. last count was 150 ish in the Mids and 500 odd in London, but there's been 20 or 30 times the trouble in London.

There were rumours of planned trouble in Leicester tonight, but so far it's quiet:xxgrinning--00xx3: Apparantly the Police blocked all entrances to the City Centre and main shopping centres at around 4PM, it looks like it was effective:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Just as I finished typing this, the news has said that Police in Leicester are tackling a small group of youths in the City centre

A problem with making arrests is that it usually takes at least two officers off the street for maybe a couple of hours. Thus its a balance which has to be struck.

In 1985 in the Broadwater Farm Riots we arrested around 300 in the days after the riot. On the night there were just a few arrests. Also its easier and less confrontational to arrest after the event.

johncar54

10th August 2011, 07:49

A large number of the knuckledraggers arrested have been charged with Burglary - max sentence 10 years. What's the odds on none being given anything like that ?

The 'problem' is that they will get before a court maybe in a few months. By that time all will have been 'forgotten' and thus they will get less severe sentences.

I remember a man who was arrested for placing a hoax bomb. It was during an IRA bombing campaign in UK. When he got to court months later, again it was long after the fear of bombs. The judge treated it as a practical joke and got fined. The judge almost said the police were wasting his time bring 'frivolous' cases before him.

By the way, If they are charged with Aggravated burglary, IT carries up to life.

10. Aggravated burglary
(1) A person is guilty of aggravated burglary if he commits any burglary and at the
time has with him any firearm or imitation firearm, any weapon of offence, or any
explosive; and for this purpose-
(a) ‘firearm’ includes an airgun or air pistol, and ‘imitation firearm’ means
anything which has the appearance of being a firearm, whether capable of being
discharged or not; and
(b) ‘weapon of offence’ means any article made or adapted for use for
causing injury to or incapacitating a person, or intended by the person having it
with him for such use; and
(c) ‘explosive’ means any article manufactured for the purpose of producing
a practical effect by explosion, or intended by the person having it with him for
that purpose.
(2) A person guilty of aggravated burglary shall on conviction on indictment be liable
to imprisonment for life.

scott&ligaya

10th August 2011, 07:59

have a think about this .. on average each city/town affected has had about 100 or 200 youths in a concentrated group at any time for sake of arguement say 500 as a max... x say 10 cities /towns so 5000 moron acrsoo the country. again for sake of arguement (I have not checked ths numbers) but say 5 million youths in the country so 0.1% morons are wrecking the country and the image of the country. If 1% of the able bodied adults between say 20 and 45 (possibly another 5 million or more) then 50,000 adults were on the streets overnight , the little cowardly shits would skulk off home... time to take the streets back by ordinary folks.

however last night in Birmingham 3 Asian young men were run over and killed whilst trying to protect their neighbourhood. One man has now been charged with murder. I fear that they Asan community will want to exact their own revenge.

So what to do?

johncar54

10th August 2011, 08:10

however last night in Birmingham 3 Asian young men were run over and killed whilst trying to protect their neighbourhood. One man has now been charged with murder. I fear that they Asan community will want to exact their own revenge.[/I]

So what to do?

Just because only one person has been charged does not mean that others will not be when the investigation is complete.

Also, getting a conviction for murder may well prove impossible. They would need to prove the premeditation to kill or cause grievous bodily harm. That does mean prove it. not assume it from the circumstances (if one stabs a person the fact that common sense would say the attacker intended to kill or cause GBH is not sufficient, it must be PROVED. Example attacker was heard to say "I am going to kill you" )

That is why the offence of 'Causing death by dangerous driving' was put on the statute books. The intent could hardly ever be proved.

And remember, the jury bring in the verdict, and they are drawn at random from Joe Public' thus not always the smartest bunch !

Sorry I did not make the law, I am only the messenger,

scott&ligaya

10th August 2011, 08:17

yes John you are of course correctr but it perfectly illustrates why I believe the local Asian community may take things into their own hands. I hope the CCTV shows the car mounting the kerb, driving straight through the group and driving off as was decribed by one of the Asian lads on the news this morning, at least it indicates a deliberate intent toi harm if not kill

scott&ligaya

10th August 2011, 08:21

imagine

10th August 2011, 08:35

they could bring the army in ,,,,,,,,,,, but there too busy elswhere :NoNo:

johncar54

10th August 2011, 08:41

they could bring the army in ,,,,,,,,,,, but there too busy elswhere :NoNo:

There around 130,000 'professional' police officers in UK

The army is trained to fight wars not to police city. Bit like calling them in because there are not enough brain surgeons ! Not the answer.

johncar54

10th August 2011, 08:43

here is the news report

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14471405

I wonder if these lads were british Asians wel integrated into the community or more recent inward looking immigrants?.... and does/should it it make any difference?

Sorry to mention who the victims were is muddying the waters. It probably has nothing to do with the crime committed and therefore irrelevant (even in this forum).

scott&ligaya

10th August 2011, 08:44

agreed, Army is not the answer, the answer is public outrage turned into community non violent action, just stand up to the little morons in numbers.

bornatbirth

10th August 2011, 09:11

i wish i could do the same graham, to bad most of you are full of hot air and many of the posts in this thread need ignoring too!, other people will read them and might even agree with them :doh

subseastu

10th August 2011, 11:23

I'm out of the uk at the moment and only get a little while per day to check the internet but from what I can see its a narrow minded view that blames ethnic minorites in these cases. Sure in some instances that can be the case but on the whole I think its more to do with location than anything else. You look at the vast majority of people affected and its inner city residents who on the whole tend to be round the bread line. The likelyhood is that the majoritiy of minorities are 3rd or 4th generation in the uk now which makes them more british than some of my friends!!

Most of what seems to be happening is down to inner city folk on a copy cat rampage that resulted from a peaceful protest that went out of hand. I guarantee that 99% of those involved have no idea what kicked all this off. Ethnic communities will always mass together, thats human nature to be near your own kind, the main problem here is the standard of living that these inner city people have to deal with. It takes a very determined person to break the chain and try to get clear of these places, crime (quick cash rewards), poverty etc. Just look at the projects in the states. Thats what we're heading towards at a great rate of knots and our police force is just not equipped to deal with it.

johncar54

10th August 2011, 11:29

.............. but from what I can see its a narrow minded view that blames ethnic minorities in these cases.

Yes spot on, it is just a coincidence that all the rioting has been in areas of black settlement and that most of those involved are black and even that the, so called peaceful demo, was anything to do with a black guy getting killed. !!!!!!

We all got it wrong.

Dedworth

10th August 2011, 11:33

There around 130,000 'professional' police officers in UK

The army is trained to fight wars not to police city. Bit like calling them in because there are not enough brain surgeons ! Not the answer.

I agree that the Army shouldn't be used however they could teach the timid Met Police a thing or two about dealing with rioters.

In Ulster a volley of plastic bullets would show the mob who was in charge and then snatch squads would go in with bats and shields dragging the ring leaders out. All this would be under a cascade of petrol bombs which as far as I can see aren't so evident in the current situation.

130000 officers is concerning though. London had to be swamped last night by 12% (16000) of this number a figure that will be impossible to maintain for more than a few days. It also needs bearing in mind that along with the rest of the public service (when compared with private industry) the Police force suffers from disproportionately high numbers of those on sick leave, on training / ethnic awareness/ equality courses, on detachment, suspended on full pay etc etc. A fair chunk of the 130k will also be backroom staff who've not been on frontline duty for years. Worrying.......

What is needed is a roll back of the years to a stick policy where Joe Public respected and the Pondlife feared the Police. Of course this wouldn't be possible without seriously addressing the legislation and attitudes which strangle effective policing eg human rights, claim culture, health & safety etc.

The Police are in a difficult position here damned if they do and damned if they don't but the Met have done themselves no favours by standing back watching Anarchists, Poppy Burners and Looters.

subseastu

10th August 2011, 11:33

And if you care to read my next sentence that follows on from the one you quoted - Sure in some instances that can be the case but on the whole I think its more to with location than anything else.

johncar54

10th August 2011, 11:37

And if you care to read my next sentance that follows on from the one you quoted - Sure in some instances that can be the case but on the whole I think its more to with location than anything else.

but on the whole I think its more to with location than anything else

yep that is what I said. Areas of high settlement by black people.

subseastu

10th August 2011, 11:39

I agree that the Army shouldn't be used however they could teach the timid Met Police a thing or two about dealing with rioters.

In Ulster a volley of plastic bullets would show the mob who was in charge and then snatch squads would go in with bats and shields dragging the ring leaders out. All this would be under a cascade of petrol bombs which as far as I can see aren't so evident in the current situation.

130000 officers is concerning though. London had to be swamped last night by 12% (16000) of this number a figure that will be impossible to maintain for more than a few days. It also needs bearing in mind that along with the rest of the public service (when compared with private industry) the Police force suffers from disproportionately high numbers of those on sick leave, on training / ethnic awareness/ equality courses, on detachment, suspended on full pay etc etc. A fair chunk of the 130k will also be backroom staff who've not been on frontline duty for years. Worrying.......

What is needed is a roll back of the years to a stick policy where Joe Public respected and the Pondlife feared the Police. Of course this wouldn't be possible without seriously addressing the legislation and attitudes which strangle effective policing eg human rights, claim culture, health & safety etc.

The Police are in a difficult position here damned if they do and damned if they don't but the Met have done themselves no favours by standing back watching Anarchists, Poppy Burners and Looters.

Never thought i'd say it but I agree with you

Terpe

10th August 2011, 11:42

I think many will find it interesting to learn more about those who have already been arrested and appeared before magistrates.
There is a wide spectrum of backgrounds.

johncar54

10th August 2011, 11:42

johncar54

10th August 2011, 12:18

........... the Police force suffers from disproportionately high numbers of those on sick leave, on training / ethnic awareness/ equality courses, on detachment, suspended on full pay etc etc. A fair chunk of the 130k will also be backroom staff who've not been on frontline duty for years. Worrying.......[/I]

.

At a time when increased police numbers are required, all courses are suspended, all back room staff who are not essential to the present task are moved to the urgent ones and all leave is cancelled.

There have been occasions in the Met were new recruits in training school have also been employed.

John (retired Met Police)

scott&ligaya

10th August 2011, 12:23

Terpe is correct , wide range of backgrounds, this is pure thieving supported by a belief that they will not be caught and even if they are they will not be punished. Greed does not discriminate. That being said there is no escaping the fact that many of the looters are indeed not exactly of anglo saxon descent, that does not mean that them being black is the problem, that is an absurd arguement.

scott&ligaya

10th August 2011, 12:27

I am sure we all work with and know socially Jamacian and African colleagues and can testify to their contribution to our society and their determination to raise the families in a respectful and very "British" way.

johncar54

10th August 2011, 12:28

That being said there is no escaping the fact that many of the looters are indeed not exactly of Anglo Saxon descent, that does not mean that them being black is the problem, that is an absurd argument.

But regrettably there is a connection and unless society are allowed to see and discuss that then the problem cannot be addressed. Rather like the fact that most young murder victims in London are black. If that cannot be addressed how can the young black lads be protected. Burying heads in the sand is not an answer, facing reality might be.

scott&ligaya

10th August 2011, 12:32

Agreed, too many people are firghtened to discuss anything to do with race or many minority issues for that matter for fear of the PC brigade.

Dedworth

10th August 2011, 12:34

I agree that the Army shouldn't be used however they could teach the timid Met Police a thing or two about dealing with rioters

The situation we have now, after incidents like the Ian Tominlson incident, is that the ordinary copper is more worried about repercussions if he uses any force than of he does not. Standing back will not get him the sack, getting stuck in might well do.

Exactly the current and last few Governments have failed the 99.99 % decent law abing population by not protecting them - as I said a couple of posts back current legislation/attitudes strangles effective policing eg human rights, claim culture, health & safety etc.

Englishman2010

10th August 2011, 15:21

About 200 or so youths went on the rampage in Leicester last night. Fortunately the Police did a good job and managed to contain the situation, resulting in just a few broken shop windows rather than dozens of burned out and ransacked shops.

I don't think this has anything to do with black or white now, in Leicester we have a fairly low proportion of Afro Carribeans, but a very high proportion of south Asians (mainly Hindu's). There may have been some black and asian youths involved, but the majority were white trailer trash from the roughest estates in the city. This isn't a race thing, it's thieving low life scum of all colours and races coming out to nick whatever they want and cause as much destruction as possible.

Dedworth

10th August 2011, 15:24

Good piece here from Max Hastings

Years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalised youngsters

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/UK-riots-2011-Liberal-dogma-spawned-generation-brutalised-youths.html#ixzz1UdUJbGKG

Tawi2

10th August 2011, 17:42

News flash !!! The riots in darlington have just started causing £1000's of pounds worth of improvements........

Sorry,couldnt resist that joke,my mate from the 'Boro TXT it to me.

Tawi2

10th August 2011, 18:53

:rolleyes: The amount of black "Yoof workers" and "Yoof co-ordinators" popping out of the woodwork is ridiculous,theres just been one in her 50's giving a reporter hassle with her "Its ok for you lot,you got a slice of the pie,you went to university and got good jobs,but whats in it for these kids" :doh is she really so thick?Its black-chip on shoulder time,and theres just been another "Yoof-leader" who said your looking at this problem from a white perspective :laugher: these downtrodden,underprivelidged ghetto living yoof really havent got a clue,send them packing to the gehttos of their forefathers,Yard or Mogadishu,thats REAL ghettos sans 40" plasma TV's Nike air trainers(courtesy of JB Sports)and fortnightly benefit payments,sans running water and electricity,what a load of crap these community leaders spout :laugher:

Dedworth

10th August 2011, 18:59

Tawi2

10th August 2011, 19:03

Boys in Da Hood are mainly London,Da Ghettos Y'get me?North-west asians have to be Enfield and similar,Mancunian trailer park boys were the whiteys I think :rolleyes:

Tawi2

10th August 2011, 19:06

All of these mini-gangsta "50 pence" get rich or die trying hood-rats seem to think this country "Owes" them a living and they dont have to struggle and work for it :rolleyes: I saw one caucasian absolute fool in Salford shouting lets have a riot at the camera :doh when questioned he said this country has to give us jobs,bloody hell,if he was offered one he would be on permanant invalidity as the shock would probably induce a work-aversion mini-stroke :rolleyes:

grahamw48

10th August 2011, 19:13

Too true.

The reality is that they are mostly just lazy idle :censored:, and a total waste of space. :NoNo:

BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE !!! :cwm23:

stevewool

10th August 2011, 19:19

so ....... angry with these ..... , what ever you call them , my answer is you should not be out there so prepare to be shoot, never will happen but it makes you so mad

stevewool

10th August 2011, 19:22

just utter ......s, i wonder if they were hurt jumping through window who would they call, leave the ..... to bleed to death i say, and how come the tv crews are all there watching them come in and out or the places , where are the police, and why run 10 yards after them , send in the dogs , let the ..... suffer just like we do

stevewool

10th August 2011, 19:23

wher i live just terrace houses no shops and yes the ..... went smashing car windows jumping on the roofs too, they should have fell off and broke there ....... necks,

Tawi2

10th August 2011, 19:25

Panic on the streets of London
Panic on the streets of Birmingham
I wonder to myself
Could life ever be sane again ?
The Leeds side-streets that you slip down
I wonder to myself
Hopes may rise on the Grasmere
But Honey Pie, you're not safe here
So you run down
To the safety of the town
But there's Panic on the streets of Carlisle
Dublin, Dundee, Humberside
I wonder to myself

Burn down the disco
Hang the blessed DJ
Because the music that they constantly play
IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE
Hang the blessed DJ
Because the music they constantly play

On the Leeds side-streets that you slip down
Provincial towns you jog 'round
Hang the DJ, Hang the DJ, Hang the DJ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AlH2oYedfk&feature=player_embedded