Ilr

[Takenoprisoners]

Here is my question... Married and very recently wife gave birth to baby boy in the uk ... he now has a british passport... Been here a year, next year have to apply for ILR... pay 950 pounds for the privilege,,, what happens if you apply for ILR but cannot afford the money???? how can the government kick the wife/mother out of the country with an english born child? Cant see that happening........ Any comments on this??

[Terpe]

Firstly, try not to get too stressed. There is still 12 months to get into gear.

Personally I don't think it would ever come to worst case scenarios IF some actions would be taken BEFORE visa expiry.

Indefinite Leave to Remain is really about being able to prove that you both have been/are still living together as man and wife within the rules.

Regarding your question. It's a sad fact, but anyone who does not extend their current spouse FLR visa, or actually fails to apply for ILR before expiry, will be classed as overstayer. Illegal immigrant.
Potentially that is a very serious situation, and not one to be contemplated lightly as there are some highly undesirable outcomes.
Theoretical worst case scenario is expulsion from UK followed by a time limit ban on UK re-entry.

Just thinking about some of the actions that can be taken before visa expiry:-

- Consider extension of the FLR as it is significantly cheaper at £500
- talk to the UKBA. They are human and may actually be helpful.
- Talk to your MP
- Talk with the Philippine Embassy about any help they might provide
- The fee can be paid by credit card. If you have one and have enough spare capacity then that could be a good way to pay off at a more affordable monthly rate.
- Loan from friends or family

Has the Life in the UK Test been passed yet ?

If not, then the ILR application cannot be made until that is completed anyway. Any actions in support of the ILR would be pointless. Without it the only option would be extension of the FLR.

A last resort would involve the courts and hinge on European Human Rights. This will need legal representation to fight your corner and present the case and unfortunately will involve money. Either legal aid or some other.

It is very hard on those finding themselves in difficulties and hard times at the moment, but it is only for the moment.

Remember ILR is not just renewing a visa, it's a permanent residence giving a full range of UK benefits.

The UK govt fully realise that visas are priced at market value. The perceived value to the applicant instead of a cost recovery basis.

[joebloggs]

you cannot apply for ILR without paying as your app would be invalid.

[Takenoprisoners]

Thanks Terpe, some sound advice there... She has taken the L in UK test. passed that months ago..... My point was never about not extending time without approval,, what I was trying to say was, What if a person doesnt have the money, if thats a case to break up a family and send her back to phily, and leave a husband and child in uk, all because of 950 quid, its a bad state of affairs to do that.... I understand all about being able to claim benefits etc etc once ILR is granted, but I get them already.....
It costs a fortune[/B] to bring a filipino to the UK (VISA, MARRIAGE, ETC) Then you have to fork out more cash after 2yrs to stay indefinitely, then if you want to be naturalised that will cost more money.... seems to me its all about money .......Sad when you have to pay for a wife........ thats what it amounts to..........

[Arthur Little]

Thanks Terpe, some sound advice there... She has taken the L in UK test. passed that months ago..... My point was never about not extending time without approval,, what I was trying to say was, What if a person doesnt have the money, if thats a case to break up a family and send her back to phily, and leave a husband and child in uk, all because of 950 quid, its a bad state of affairs to do that.... I understand all about being able to claim benefits etc etc once ILR is granted, but I get them already.....
It costs a fortune to bring a filipino to the UK (VISA, MARRIAGE, ETC) Then you have to fork out more cash after 2yrs to stay indefinitely, then if you want to be naturalised that will cost more money.... seems to me its all about money .......Sad when you have to pay for a wife........ thats what it amounts to..........

:gp:s ... ALL of them. And many of us here would fully agree with you! But the sad fact remains, that - without exception - we've no choice other than to go along with Immigration Rules & Regulations. :welcomex: to "the Club".

[gWaPito]

' a whole raft of benefits to be exploited, seized and jumped upon when you get the ILR'

A sorry state of affairs :NoNo:

[joebloggs]

' a whole raft of benefits to be exploited, seized and jumped upon when you get the ILR'

A sorry state of affairs :NoNo:

only if your eligible to claim them :doh

a sorry state of affairs :cwm24:

[gWaPito]

only if your eligible to claim them :doh

a sorry state of affairs :cwm24:

If only :NoNo:

There's talk that Liar Cameron is being called a modern day Robin hood..... robbing the worker to give to the idle.:angry:

[andy222]

If only :NoNo:

There's talk that Liar Cameron is being called a modern day Robin hood..... robbing the worker to give to the idle.:angry:

Tell me what government dont? The workers always pay mate.

[Arthur Little]

' a whole raft of benefits to be exploited, seized and jumped upon when you get the ILR'

NOT so if you're Filipino :nono-1-1: ... by far the most industrious and self-reliant race on the planet!

[gWaPito]

NOT so if you're Filipino :nono-1-1: ... by far the most industrious and self-reliant race on the planet!

Hence the amassed brownie points :rolleyes:

[Takenoprisoners]

Hang on Arthur,, most Filipino's I know spend most of the day laying on their backs, smoking and drinking Tanduay.... There's not a lot of work in the philippines... (too many people there)....A lot of the very very lucky ones especially in government jobs are so corrupt its hardly called work.....
But they are lovable people (most of them).... I married one........lol

[grahamw48]

Hang on Arthur,, most Filipino's I know spend most of the day laying on their backs, smoking and drinking Tanduay.... There's not a lot of work in the philippines... (too many people there)....A lot of the very very lucky ones especially in government jobs are so corrupt its hardly called work.....
But they are lovable people (most of them).... I married one........lol

That's a bit of a sweeping and insulting generalisation if I may say so.

What work are you engaged in when there ? :Erm:

[Terpe]

..... most Filipino's I know spend most of the day laying on their backs, smoking and drinking Tanduay....

Well most Filipino's I know are quite the opposite. :)

So what does that tell us then? :doh

[gWaPito]

Hang on Arthur,, most Filipino's I know spend most of the day laying on their backs, smoking and drinking Tanduay.... There's not a lot of work in the philippines... (too many people there)....A lot of the very very lucky ones especially in government jobs are so corrupt its hardly called work.....
But they are lovable people (most of them).... I married one........lol

So Arthur, put that in your pipe and smoke it :icon_lol:

[gWaPito]

Well most Filipino's I know are quite the opposite. :)

So what does that tell us then? :doh

It tells us there are good and bad everywhere...in this case lazy and industrious.

Many think the British young are also lazy good for nothings but, I can say not the young I know personally.

[gWaPito]

He did say most of the ones he knew..not a broad brush statement. :)

[Takenoprisoners]

Hi Graham48... No not a generalisation or a sweeping statement.. It is merely an indigenous thing about the Philippines.... It's been that way for decades.. and each and every government has screwed the people so did the yanks... (they screw everyone) so its hardly surprising the way things are.... Religion too must take a huge dose of responsibility giving people false hope and false beliefs.... the place is full of superstitions and stories... all are as realistic as santa claus...... I don't know if the philippines will ever be corruption free... whether it will ever be a country to invest in.. doubt if it will be in my lifetime anyway..... Having said all this, I still think some of the most beautiful and loving and caring women are from there... and there is a lot of good in the country too.... just needs a new direction........... I used to own a couple of bars and internet cafes there..... :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Terpe]

Hi Graham48... No not a generalisation or a sweeping statement.. It is merely an indigenous thing about the Philippines.... It's been that way for decades.. and each and every government has screwed the people so did the yanks... (they screw everyone) so its hardly surprising the way things are.... Religion too must take a huge dose of responsibility giving people false hope and false beliefs.... the place is full of superstitions and stories... all are as realistic as santa claus...... I don't know if the philippines will ever be corruption free... whether it will ever be a country to invest in.. doubt if it will be in my lifetime anyway..... Having said all this, I still think some of the most beautiful and loving and caring women are from there... and there is a lot of good in the country too.... just needs a new direction........... I used to own a couple of bars and internet cafes there..... :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Personally, I can understand some of what you say.
From my own experience over many years (too many to recount) I would not use 'indigenous' in the same sentence as meaning lazy. The vast majority of ordinary folk are very industrious (especially the ladies).

There's a lot of truth in many of the other things you mention.
I suggest that bars, and perhaps even internet cafe's may well attract customers who do not seek a normal working life.

No offence, this is my own personal experience. Your experience is obviously significantly different.
It should be that I can learn form you and that you can learn from me.

[grahamw48]

Hi Graham48... No not a generalisation or a sweeping statement.. It is merely an indigenous thing about the Philippines.... It's been that way for decades.. and each and every government has screwed the people so did the yanks... (they screw everyone) so its hardly surprising the way things are.... Religion too must take a huge dose of responsibility giving people false hope and false beliefs.... the place is full of superstitions and stories... all are as realistic as santa claus...... I don't know if the philippines will ever be corruption free... whether it will ever be a country to invest in.. doubt if it will be in my lifetime anyway..... Having said all this, I still think some of the most beautiful and loving and caring women are from there... and there is a lot of good in the country too.... just needs a new direction........... I used to own a couple of bars and internet cafes there..... :xxgrinning--00xx3:

My friend I have been visiting and living in the Phils for decades, so I DO know where you're coming from.

I also know many bar owners both from my Ermita days and those years when I was resident in Angeles City and running a couple of NON-bar businesses.

I think your view may be a bit clouded by your involvement in bars and internet cafes, but do correct me if I'm wrong.

This board is a very different environment, populated by a very different kind of person to the sort you and I may have become accustomed to meeting.
I don't know how much time you spent living in the provinces or travelling around the country, but things are very different there.

Before posting, please stop to consider the feelings of the respectable Filipina members here (and their male family members) before insulting their country and generalising about the work ethics of the Filipino people.

[gWaPito]

Personally, I can understand some of what you say.
From my own experience over many years (too many to recount) I would not use 'indigenous' in the same sentence as meaning lazy. The vast majority of ordinary folk are very industrious (especially the ladies).

There's a lot of truth in many of the other things you mention.
I suggest that bars, and perhaps even internet cafe's may well attract customers who do not seek a normal working life.

No offence, this is my own personal experience. Your experience is obviously significantly different.
It should be that I can learn form you and that you can learn from me.

So you are saying women who frequent bars and pc shops don't reach your standards....interesting.

A lot of the members here met there wives through the internet..me included.

Had it been the olden days we'd would of probably met in what was deemed normal of the day. Probably the way most long time married British/Filipina did. Perhaps have a holiday, meet the lady of your dreams then endless letter writing etc etc.

Times have changed...life moves much quickly now.

Lets not rubbish the for some, unknown.:)

[Terpe]

So you are saying women who frequent bars and pc shops don't reach your standards....interesting.

Alot of the members here met there wives through the internet..me included.

Had it been the olden days we'd would of probably met in what was deemed normal of the day. Probably the way most long time married British/Filipina did. Perhaps have a holiday, meet the lady of your dreams then endless letter writing etc etc.

Times have changed...life moves much quickly now.

Lets not rubbish the for some, unknown.:)

It's very confusing to everyone when posters say they know what someone else is saying when they clearly do not, and don't even bother to check!!

[gWaPito]

It's very confusing to everyone when posters say they know what someone else is saying when they clearly do not, and don't even bother to check!!

Ive checked again..:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

Ayup lads. ;)

[gWaPito]

Ive come to the conclusion my talents are wasted pounding these lonesome roads at un Godly hours.

I should of became a journalist and worked for the Daily Sport :D

Lighten Terpes...im having a laugh :icon_lol:

[malditako]

Hang on Arthur,, most Filipino's I know spend most of the day laying on their backs, smoking and drinking Tanduay.... There's not a lot of work in the philippines... (too many people there)....A lot of the very very lucky ones especially in government jobs are so corrupt its hardly called work.....
But they are lovable people (most of them).... I married one........lol

which part of philippines known to you?...

as for my experiences on looking a job...a week or two is the longest i have waited to get one. its hard to get a job in goverment as all vacant position is all reserve if not limited to the family and relatives of employees already positioned in the goverment.

[malditako]

Hi Graham48... No not a generalisation or a sweeping statement.. It is merely an indigenous thing about the Philippines.... It's been that way for decades.. and each and every government has screwed the people so did the yanks... (they screw everyone) so its hardly surprising the way things are.... Religion too must take a huge dose of responsibility giving people false hope and false beliefs.... the place is full of superstitions and stories... all are as realistic as santa claus...... I don't know if the philippines will ever be corruption free... whether it will ever be a country to invest in.. doubt if it will be in my lifetime anyway..... Having said all this, I still think some of the most beautiful and loving and caring women are from there... and there is a lot of good in the country too.... just needs a new direction........... I used to own a couple of bars and internet cafes there..... :xxgrinning--00xx3:

indegenous in what sense...(drinking tanduay in back garden) same as most of british..the only difference is that they drink in the pub and money spent came from their benefits. whats wrong of having religion...better to have false hope than never hope at all...no offense to others met a lot of people here in uk who dont believe in GOD but got huge celebration plans for christmas wonder if they know why there is xmas...corruption is present in phils same as in every government and thats not exclude UK. Most of the people from the place i came from works everday (both professional and blue collar jobs) children go to school etc,...i think u have to dig more about phils rather than just a nice place to meet young beautiful and caring woman to marry.

[grahamw48]

My ex was the hardest-working person I ever met in my life, and that went for her brothers too.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

indegenous in what sense...( drinking tanduay in back garden ) same as most of british..the only difference is that they drink in the pub and money spent came from their benefits. whats wrong of having religion...better to have false hope than never hope at all...no offense to others met a lot of people here in uk who dont believe in GOD but got huge celebration plans for christmas wonder if they know why there is xmas...corruption is present in phils same as in every government and thats not exclude UK. Most of the people from the place i came from works everday (both professional and blue collar jobs) children go to school etc,...i think u have to dig more about phils rather than just a nice place to meet young beautiful and caring woman to marry.

Brilliant!.....I agree wholeheartedly with all of that.

Surprising like you say about folks here in the UK claiming they have no religion yet celebrate Christmas and Easter..:rolleyes:

All the power to you. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Although im sure 'takenoprisoners' ( ref post 12) did say it was the Filipinos he knew of that were taking to rum and laziness.

Btw The benefits being spent in the pub is money that should be spent on their families....give them food vouchers instead, just like the old days...the pubs won't be happy but, mama and the kids will be

Cheers :cwm3:

[grahamw48]

.....not to mention the bens spent on drugs to subsidise the thieving. :rolleyes:

I'm an Atheist, and I do not PERSONALLY celebrate any Christian 'festivals', but I respect the right of others to do so, and if they are VERY closely related to me may even be allocated one of my 6 or 8 Xmas cards. :Erm: