Suarez gets ban!

[andy222]

Lois Suarez gets 8 match ban and a £40000 fine for misconduct.

[stevewool]

could any of us afford to loose a years pay

[andy222]

Im glad your on that much steve.:xxgrinning--00xx3:.

[stevewool]

ups i thought it was pesos

[andy222]

:laugher:

[stevewool]

no really thats why football has never intrested me, the wage and what they do for it, just so wrong, but thats just my thought

[andy222]

I agree steve. 100,000 + for kicking a bag of wind about.

[KeithD]

One mans word against another. :doh

As far as I know the UK and only a few other countries have basically banned the word n*g*r due to PC. Every time I'm in Asia the word is used to just mean a black person, no racism involved, and that is the way in South America and most places on the planet, even in Florida ... those pesky Confederates :D

He's been banned for being a 'racist' however look up the meaning of the word and they have zero evidence that is the case. Can't wait for the Liverpool lawyers to get hold of this on. :Sex:

[Englishman2010]

Whilst I wouldn't use the N word myself, (mainly due to having it drummed into me that it is offensive) I too have heard Filipino's use it frequently in the same way that they call us Puti's.

Now the FA have set a precedent on this case, it will be interesting to see what happens to JT:Erm: I don't know what he is alledged to have said to Ferdinand, but I'm guessing it must be along similar lines:Erm:

Use of the N word in Britain is a sure way of ending a public figures career - look at what happened to Ron Atkinson when he made what he thought was an off camera comment. I doubt very much that Big Ron was a racist any more than JT or Suarez are:rolleyes:

[grahamw48]

I think most people would accept that the N word is offensive...except in the context of one N to another N.

I would probably resort to violence if someone racially abused my son. :angry:

Let's not forget why most of us are members of this forum.

Edited to add:

If you're a guest in another country....abide by their laws !

[tone]

I think its pretty screwed up - and is probably the FA sending a message to Blatter who will probably respond with telling the FA they need to do a U-Turn!
lets see what happens but as many say the word used is freely used in so many countries!

Cheers
Tone

[Englishman2010]

I think its pretty screwed up - and is probably the FA sending a message to Blatter who will probably respond with telling the FA they need to do a U-Turn!
lets see what happens but as many say the word used is freely used in so many countries!

Cheers
Tone

I think the FA have to be seen to be making a tough stand against this. Black English players are regularly greeted with monkey chants from hostile fans when they play in many other countries, particularly in eastern Europe. If the FA let this go, they will look like hypocrites the next time they complain about abuse in Turkey, Croatia or Bulgaria....etc

[jencha8569]

suarez should have been banned for one year ! he needs to be taught a lesson !

[tone]

suarez should have been banned for one year ! he needs to be taught a lesson !

So you were there and heard the words exchanged between the two? I dont think you can say that in the same way I cant really say he shouldnt have been banned at all.

I personally think the FA have taken the victims side to the extreme (which in the UK is not the norm I suppose) but its is one mans word against another, and on that basis how can you believe that?

In this country a similar example is when two motorists hit each other the insurance companies will put this down to "knock for knock" you both get to pay your own repair bill where the fault cannot be put 100% on one.

I think 8 game ban was too much "for an example" and we still dont know what Evra said to Suarez - just because one person is white - it doesnt mean racism cant go the other way....

Its a very difficult one to call but I do think the call for a 1 year ban is wildly out of context.

Tone

[lastlid]

I have a feeling that Liverpool and Suarez will appeal and the decision will remain but with a reduced penalty.

[johncar54]

I must admit that it seems about time that everyone grew up and started living together.

Most of us grew up with all types of jokes and jibes, which I still get living in Spain, without the need for legislation to 'protect us' and 'alienate' others !

Legislation to prevent racism should be reserved for serious matters where people loose out because of it, but in every day life, come on !

John (Dual nationality British and Irish)

I don't mind if you make Irish jokes, I won't understand them anyway !!!

[grahamw48]

Yep....mum's Irish, so I've only half a brain. :Cuckoo:

[lastlid]

Do we know if there were any witnesses or witness statements? Isn't all this done behind closed doors? I am not totally familiar with all the fine detail of the hearing.

Just wondered if there is evidence that the public haven't heard.......

[johncar54]

Yep....mum's Irish, so I've only half a brain. :Cuckoo:
But we all know its the best half !!!!!

[johncar54]

Do we know if there were any witnesses or witness statements? Isn't all this done behind closed doors? I am not totally familiar with all the fine detail of the hearing.

Just wondered if there is evidence that the public haven't heard.......

Terry will be in court.

[tone]

Terry is worse off - the CPS are involved so ultimately his ban could be due to a spell in the cells courtesy of HM Prisons!

Whatever happens these guys have to learn - there is no doubt about that but when you hear the rappers call eachother N's and B's there have to be changes accross the world not just here. This can only lead to more censorship and blah blah blah...

One thing they were discussing on Talk Sport at length was the context of the Man Utd V Liverpool fixture its always been a heated exchange of words and football and sometimes people say the wrong things!

as the dragons would say "I'm out"!

[jencha8569]

suarez knows what he said.
not setting a good example for young kids is it if he gets away with it lightly ?
he deserved his 8 match ban,shame it wasnt much longer !

[Tawi2]

Former Liverpool footballer Alan Hansen has apologised after describing black players as "coloured" during a debate on Match of the Day.

Hansen angered viewers after he twice referred to black players as "coloured" when discussing the race row threatening to engulf the sport.

At the time he said: "There's a lot of coloured players in all the major teams and there's a lot of coloured players that are probably the best in the Premier League."
Hope he never uses the "W" word to describe caucasians :icon_lol: what a farce,load of toffee,n*gger derives from nigrum the latin for black,so you cant call them that,you cant call them coloured,so what do you call them?

[grahamw48]

They have to pretend that everyone is the same colour. :rolleyes:

[Tawi2]

Somewhere like the philippines where people have far more important things to worry about such as daily life and putting food on the table no one bats an eyelid,in fact its common when a dark girl from negros is described as a negra,heard it myself often,so what exactly or how is one supposed to describe the colour of a person from sub-saharan africa,I have heard black people describe themselves as n*ggers countless times,they glamourise it in movies and in their rap....Pull the trigger cap that n*gger....but they get petty-antsie when anyone other than themselves uses the term?:icon_lol:

[johncar54]

They have to pretend that everyone is the same colour. :rolleyes:

I think people who are not (so called) white (can I say that) want to be the same, when at present everyone who is not indigenous , British and white, seem get a better deal in UK

[grahamw48]

Life's tough like that.

Ask any Caucasian in Australia with skin cancer.

Trying to change millions of years of evolution overnight will inevitably create problems, but as usual, the out of control pestilence that is mankind will blithely carry on regardless. :rolleyes:

Thankfully many of the Fil/UK forum members are doing their best to address the colour issue. :)

[johncar54]

Thankfully many of the Fil/UK forum members are doing their best to address the colour issue. :)

Graham, what colour issue ? In Spain no one (appears) to give a damn, people are people.

[grahamw48]

Good for them, but I thought we were talking about the situation in the UK. :Erm:

[Englishman2010]

Graham, what colour issue ? In Spain no one (appears) to give a damn, people are people.

Really? What about the monkey chants that are aimed at Lewis Hamilton whenever the F1 is in Spain....or the similar chants that are directed at black British footballers in Spain

[johncar54]

Good for them, but I thought we were talking about the situation in the UK. :Erm:

Maybe, but as Suarez is Uruguayan and the Uruguay language is Spanish, maybe I will be forgiven.

[johncar54]

Really? What about the monkey chants that are aimed at Lewis Hamilton whenever the F1 is in Spain....or the similar chants that are directed at black British footballers in Spain

That's what I said, in Spain they still joke and pull each others leg. Like we all did when we were youngsters in UK (and like probably the rest of the world still do) before in the UK they started legislating about practically everything; nursery rhymes, health and safely etc etc

[lastlid]

I would quite like to hear the sentiments of the Ferdinand brothers right now.......

[Englishman2010]

I agree that PC has taken some things too far, and some of the things we used to joke about are no longer acceptable, but monkey chanting is disgraceful, I really can't see anything funny in that.

[grahamw48]

Agreed.

It's all about 'intent'.

[Englishman2010]

I would quite like to hear the sentiments of the Ferdinand brothers right now.......

Has Rio said anything about it? He's Anton's cousin and an England colleague of JT. Putting club rivalry aside, I'm sure most of the England players are on good friendly terms (unless JT has been doing their ex's too:laugher:)

[johncar54]

, but monkey chanting is disgraceful, I really can't see anything funny in that.

I don't either but I don't think everything I don't approve of should be banned. When I get people making Irish jokes, if they are funny I laugh at them if I don't I either laugh them off or ignore them. I never asked for, nor would I every want, a law to stop people puling my leg. We (that is you in UK) have enough laws already and most of them don't get enforced very well.

[lastlid]

Has Rio said anything about it? He's Anton's cousin and an England colleague of JT. Putting club rivalry aside, I'm sure most of the England players are on good friendly terms......

I don know. I was wondering if Rio had tweeted a bit on this topic and of course Les has a lot to say on these matters. I have a lot of respect for the two of them. And I concur with their point of view on such matters. But yes, Rio is probably treading a "diplomatic tightrope" just now.....


......(unless JT has been doing their ex's too:laugher:) :icon_lol:

[lastlid]

I did think that there was more to this than we knew at the time....

[KeithD]

It seems Saurez only used the word 'negro' .... when did that become racist? :Erm:

[Pete/London]

normally in circumstances such as "Negro need not apply" or "Negro go home"

Anyway the hugely talented Suarez knew exactly the implied meaning and seems to have warranted the ban:xxgrinning--00xx3:
Now for Gerrard, time to review his uppercut

[joebloggs]

It seems Saurez only used the word 'negro' .... when did that become racist? :Erm:

i don't think it matters what he said, he lost his temper :furious3: and has been punished for it.

[grahamw48]

You're not allowed to say 'coloured' now either.

Presumably different coloured people don't exist anymore. :Erm:

....Let's all just pretend shall we ? :rolleyes:

[lastlid]

Now for Gerrard, time to review his uppercut

Yep. Now that they have removed the double jeopardy law......

[lastlid]

Probably the best way of looking at this case.....Jason Roberts of Blackburn Rovers...

" Suarez and Liverpool claimed "negro" was a commonly used term in the striker's homeland of Uruguay and that it was often used affectionately there.

But Roberts, who received an MBE in 2010 for his services to sport in Grenada, added: "To use those words in that tone and context is certainly not acceptable in our leagues.

"It's not good enough to say, 'It's OK where I come from, so we do it here'. That's not the way we judge our society or the Premier League. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16406960.stm

[johncar54]

Maybe as there are probably considerably less 'white' people in the world we should not refer to the colour of one's skin unless they are white and maybe then, the 'so called 'white people' could complain of discrimination if the actual shade of white/pink was not used.

Or maybe we could all grow up !

[lastlid]

Maybe as there are probably considerably less 'white' people in the world we should not refer to the colour of one's skin unless they are white and maybe then, the 'so called 'white people' could complain of discrimination if the actual shade of white/pink was not used.

Or maybe we could all grow up !

Maybe the Stephen Lawrence result and the Suarez and potential John Terry results are signposts that the UK is heading in the right direction on these matters.

[johncar54]

I will not be putting money on it but I would not be surprised to see the two who were convicted in the Stephen Lawrence trial, get acquitted on appeal.

I am not suggesting they are innocent but from my professional experience that is what I think may happen.

Look at all the others who have been acquitted, does anyone think they were all innocent. No, they had 'smart' lawyers who knew how to bend the system.

[lastlid]

I will not be putting money on it but I would not be surprised to see the two who were convicted in the Stephen Lawrence trial, get acquitted on appeal.



i said the same about Suarez but turned out to be wrong.