Perth Regains Its City Status

[Arthur Little]

Perth - where I've lived for almost four and a half decades - is an ancient Royal Burgh in Central Scotland. Renowned locally, nationally and internationally, as the 'Fair City', it was a former Scottish Capital during mediaeval times. Indeed, throughout the ensuing centuries - and in the minds of its countless generations of inhabitants since - Perth ranked as second in civic importance only to Edinburgh. :ReadIt:

Until 1975, that is ... when, Local Government Reorganisation north of the Border, led to Perth being stripped of city status. :bigcry:

Now, in the year of HM the Queen's Diamond Jubilee, a long, hard-fought battle has been won ... and 'Saint John's Toun' can reclaim its rightful heritage - steeped in the Annals of Scotland - as the City of Perth. :BouncyHappy:

[lastlid]

Until 1975, that is ... when, Local Government Reorganisation north of the Border, led to Perth being stripped of city status. :bigcry:



WOW The "bar stewards".....

[joebloggs]

I seem to remember there are only 2 cities in the uk that touch each other,,, anyone know what those cities are :rolleyes:

[lastlid]

Manchester and Salford of course....

[Arthur Little]

I seem to remember there are only 2 cities in the uk that touch each other,,, anyone know what those cities are :rolleyes:

Hmm ... Manchester & Salford? :Erm:

[Arthur Little]

Manchester and Salford of course....


Hmm ... Manchester & Salford? :Erm:

:D ... great minds think alike, eh?

[Arthur Little]

:anerikke: ... Joe - of all people - WOULD know that, I suppose!

[imagine]

perth is a great place, and well deserves its city status :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

Manchester and Salford of course....

:doh you could have waited a bit b4 answering :icon_lol:, you should know anyway being a manc :doh

[Arthur Little]

It's understood the honour will also be bestowed on a English town ... does anybody here know yet, which one? :rolleyes:

[Arthur Little]

perth is a great place, and well deserves it city status :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:68711_thanx:, Stewart ... :iagree:!

[lastlid]

:doh you could have waited a bit b4 answering :icon_lol:, you should know anyway being a manc :doh

Dont accuse me of being a manc......:D

[rusty]

It's understood the honour will also be bestowed on a English town ... does anybody here know yet, which one? :rolleyes:

Chelmsford in Essex :engflag: and also St. Asaph in Wales :wales:. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[tanga]

Perth. Gateway to the Highlands
Took my first parachute jump at Strathallan
Did my private pilot lessons at Scone
Enjoyed Perth Theatre and a stroll down South street to the river
Think there is a factory outlet selling crystal on the outskirts.That was my wife's favourite

[Dedworth]

I heard on the radio earlier Chelmsford is a city now - sounds like the title is falling into disrepute :D

[lastlid]

Perth. Gateway to the Highlands
Took my first parachute jump at Strathallan
Did my private pilot lessons at Scone
Enjoyed Perth Theatre and a stroll down South street to the river
Think there is a factory outlet selling crystal on the outskirts.That was my wife's favourite

Yes. Perthshire is famous for its glass. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

Chelmsford in Essex :engflag: and also St. Asaph in Wales :wales:. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Ah ... :68711_thanx: ...

... that's satisfied my curiosity. ;)

[lastlid]

There's been a long tradition in this stuff....

http://www.caithnessglass.co.uk/
http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/british_glass/strathearn_glass/strathearnglass_home.htm

If you have any of this stuff in your loft etc then it can be wort a few bob.

[Arthur Little]

I heard on the radio earlier Chelmsford is a city now

Hmm ... :readingpapers: ... if an extract from a press article by the Essex Chronicle's chief reporter is to be believed:


"Nobody here expected this. Bob Shepherd, the Lord Mayor, said he 'leapt 35,000 ft into the air', on hearing the news.
"That just about sums up the degree of surprise here, following the announcement.
"We were 18~1 outsiders with the bookies - lagging well behind Reading, which was odds-on favourite."

[Arthur Little]

- sounds like the title is falling into disrepute :D

:anerikke: ... never been to Chelmsford, so cannot pass any personal comment! :NoNo:

[Terpe]

Well Arthur that's very nice. :xxgrinning--00xx3:
A big well done to Perth and also to Chelmsford and St. Asaph.

I've been to Perth, as it happens I enjoyed my visit.
Actually I'd never heard of St. Asaph at all.
We attended a Phils get together in Chelmsford once.

Pity we can't be Northampton City though. :rolleyes:

[Dedworth]

Hmm ... :readingpapers: ... if an extract from a press article by the Essex Chronicle's chief reporter is to be believed:


"Nobody here expected this. Bob Shepherd, the Lord Mayor, said he 'leapt 35,000 ft into the air', on hearing the news.
"That just about sums up the degree of surprise here, following the announcement.
"We were 18~1 outsiders with the bookies - lagging well behind Reading, which was odds-on favourite."

I'd be hard pushed to think of two bigger tips than Reading & Chelmsford

[Arthur Little]

Well Arthur that's very nice. :xxgrinning--00xx3:
A big well done to Perth and also to Chelmsford and St. Asaph.

:iagree: ... three cheers to each ... :appl::appl::appl:


I've been to Perth, as it happens I enjoyed my visit.

:) That's good to read. :68711_thanx: for your appreciation ... I'm glad you enjoyed your visit. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

:iagree: ... three cheers to each ... :appl::appl::appl:



:) That's good to read. :68711_thanx: for your appreciation ... I'm glad you enjoyed your visit. :xxgrinning--00xx3:


I think I drove close to Perth about 10 years ago on my way from Cumbernauld (twinned with Harlow & Skelmersdale) to Dundee

[Terpe]

....Cumbernauld ............

:yikes::yikes::yikes: That's a very dark place. I worked in a very large call centre there for quite some time. :cwm3:

[Arthur Little]

Actually I'd never heard of St. Asaph at all.

Tbh ... NEITHER have I! I haven't even been to Wales, full stop. And, although pleased on behalf of the Welsh people, I'm frankly, astonished, at such a small town [**population, 3,400] - six miles south of *Rhyl (presumably *itself a city) - [** none of which includes :sheep:] being selected.

Well done, St Asaph! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

... Cumbernauld ...

:omg: ... now there's a dump ... a "concrete jungle" ... if ever there was! T'was built in the late 1950s/early '60s to re-house the Glasgow population overspill.

[Arthur Little]

Perth. Gateway to the Highlands

:yeahthat: ... :xxgrinning--00xx3:




Did my private pilot lessons at Scone ...

... :airline: ...


Took my first parachute jump at Strathallan ...

... :Jump: ...

... :cwm24: ... WOW!!

Me? :anerikke: ... I'm barely able to tell a "waltz from a tanga"!


Perth Theatre ...

... "launching pad" for many of the the country's top television and film actors & actresses. :D

[Arthur Little]

WOW The "bar stewards".....

... :iagree:!

[Arthur Little]

Think there is a factory outlet selling crystal on the outskirts.That was my wife's favourite


Yes. Perthshire is famous for its glass. :xxgrinning--00xx3:


There's been a long tradition in this stuff....

http://www.caithnessglass.co.uk/
http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/british_glass/strathearn_glass/strathearnglass_home.htm

... Perth & Perthshire!! Thanks for these links. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[lastlid]

Yes. I used to go up there, to Crieff and a few other places in Scotland to buy some bits and bobs and take them back down to Manchester and flog em.........

[lastlid]

This kind of glass is sought after and worth a few bob now, particularly the best pieces, if you have any in your attic, or anywhere else for that matter.

" During the 1920’s a type of glass known as Monart Ware (later Monart Glass) was produced by the company of John Moncrieff Limited of Perth in Scotland. Production began in 1924 following the “accidental” making of a prototype by Salvador Ysart, a Spanish born glassblower employed by the firm, which was seen by Isobel Moncrieff, wife of the proprietor. The name “Monart” was simply formed by taking the prefix “Mon” from Moncrieff and the suffix “art” form Ysart. "

[lastlid]

... Perth & Perthshire!! Thanks for these links. :xxgrinning--00xx3:


May I say, Arthur that the view in the Caithness glass brochure is fantastic. Classic scenery from your neck of the woods.

[Arthur Little]

This kind of glass is sought after and worth a few bob now, particularly the best pieces, if you have any in your attic, or anywhere else for that matter.

;) Too RIGHT, it is ...


" During the 1920’s a type of glass known as Monart Ware (later Monart Glass) was produced by the company of John Moncrieff Limited of Perth in Scotland. Production began in 1924 following the “accidental” making of a prototype by Salvador Ysart, a Spanish born glassblower employed by the firm, which was seen by Isobel Moncrieff, wife of the proprietor. The name “Monart” was simply formed by taking the prefix “Mon” from Moncrieff and the suffix “art” form Ysart. "

... sadly, :bigcry: this firm's long gone. I have a friend, though, whose first job was as a clerk with John Moncrieffe's Glassworks; he later went on to be Senior Buyer - then Purchasing Manager - at Beckman's Scientific Instrument Makers' factory in Glenrothes.

Btw :rolleyes: ... you are spot-on with your history of Monart glass in Perth - I'm impressed! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

May I say, Arthur that the view in the Caithness glass brochure is fantastic. Classic scenery from your neck of the woods.

:BouncyHappy: Yes ... of course you may - :iagree: - the scenery's marvellous! :)

[lastlid]

To be honest, I always thought that if a town had a cathedral, it was a city. But evidentally not. Perth is one large county, not to have a city in it!

I am not sure if I said but I must have driven through Perth a million times as it is the gateway to the North East of Scotland (heading north of course). On my 5 to 6 hour journey down to Manchester, I always found the Perthshire scenery, from a driver's viewpoint, the most interesting as one headed out of Dundee and through Perth.

Perthshire evidently backs onto Aberdeenshire and I have tried that route but its not such an easy drive :D

Another recollection of Perth / Perthshire are the Salmon Ladders in Pitlochry, at the right time of year of course.

Also spent a week camping, one summer around Loch Rannoch.

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Koala]

When I 1st travelled to England I just had to visit Perth.....The name of the city that I was born in Western Aussie....Here is some info on how it became to be called Perth down under if anybody is interested.


The city of Perth in Western Australia was named by Captain James Stirling in 1829 after Perth, Scotland, in honor of the birthplace and parliamentary seat in the British House of Commons of Sir George Murray, Secretary of State for War and the Colonies
first explorer to have a favourable opinion of the Swan River was Captain James Stirling who, in March 1827, explored the area in HMS Success which first anchored off Rottnest, and later in Cockburn Sound. Stirling was accompanied by the botanist Charles Fraser, whose report on the quality of the soil was instrumental in the decision to establish the Swan River Colony. With Frederick Garling, Stirling and Fraser climbed Mount Eliza, and had explored the Swan River upstream as far as the Ellen Brook junction.

Stirling arrived back in England in July 1828, promoting in glowing terms the agricultural potential of the area. His lobbying was for the establishment of a free settlement, unlike the other penal settlements at New South Wales, Port Arthur and Norfolk Island. As a result of these reports, and a rumour the French were about to establish a penal colony in the western part of Australia, the Colonial Office assented to the proposal in mid-October 1828.

The first ship to reach the Swan River was the HMS Challenger, captained by Charles Fremantle, arriving on 25 April 1829. After anchoring off Garden Island, Captain Fremantle declared the Swan River Colony for Britain on 2 May 1829. Perth was founded on 12 June 1829 by Captain James Stirling as the political centre of the free-settler Swan River Colony. Stirling administered the Swan River settlement from June 1829 until August 1832.

The Parmelia under Captain Stirling arrived on 1 June 1829, and the official foundation of the colony took place on 12 August, with the chopping down of a tree by the wife of Captain William Dance of the Sulphur, Mrs Helen Dance. This event took place on an area of land allotted for military barracks, and is commemorated at this site by a plaque set in the footpath of Barrack Street.[7]

The two separate townsites of the colony developed slowly, to eventually become Perth and the port city of Fremantle

I hope you enjoyed.....Koala:)

[Arthur Little]

Although always aware Perth, Western Australia came to be named after Scotland's ancient capital, I never knew how. Amazingly, though ... the HUGE, modern Australian city mushroomed into one of the LARGEST "down under" - soon dwarfing its Scottish counterpart many times over.

I'm much obliged for this most interesting account of the history of your birthplace. :68711_thanx:

[tanga]

Love Pitlochry a few clicks north of Perth.
Edradour distillery is a must visit.
I was a whiskey broker but it never felt like work.
I never touch the stuff but what a wonderful product
HM treasury would concur,I'm sure

[Arthur Little]

To be honest, I always thought that if a town had a cathedral, it was a city.

:rolleyes: ... that's always been MY understanding too.


Perth is one large county, not to have a city in it!

Perthshire ... referred to locally as 'The Big County'. :xxgrinning--00xx3:





Perthshire evidently backs onto Aberdeenshire and I have tried that route but its not such an easy drive :D

Um ... not directly, no. :NoNo: It actually borders Angus ... the Aberdeenshire boundary being reached at the approximate point where the dual carriageway skirts Laurencekirk on the one side - and St Cyrus on the other.

However, I'm familiar with the B-road you mention - via the small town of Coupar Angus - as it's a route my son frequently uses in order to bypass Dundee. Mileage wise, it's shorter ... but - with its many twists and turns - takes much longer to navigate.

[stevie c]

I personally would like to of seen Colchester in Essex get city status......it is the oldest recorded town in England

[lastlid]

Mileage wise, it's shorter ... but - with its many twists and turns - takes much longer to navigate. You can say that again....

[Arthur Little]

You can say that again....

... "Mileage wise, it's shorter ... but - with its many twists and turns - takes much longer to navigate."

How's that? :yeahthat: ...

... well ... you DID imply that I could say it again! :anerikke:

[Arthur Little]

Love Pitlochry a few clicks north of Perth.




Another recollection of Perth / Perthshire are the Salmon Ladders in Pitlochry, at the right time of year of course.

Also spent a week camping, one summer around Loch Rannoch.

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Pitlochry - located just off the A9 - approximately 27 miles from Perth IS, indeed, renowned for its salmon ladders ... its other - though, by no means lesser - claim to fame being its Festival Theatre which (especially during the summer season) boasts local, national and international audiences. :grosyeux:

Nearby Loch Rannoch is a popular tourist attraction also, :iagree: