Tanker drivers strike

[les_taxi]

Bloody daft public queuing to fill up their 4x4 s because of tanker drivers ballot!
Strike has not even started but these selfish ..... who panic buy get on my tits!

[Arthur Little]

:iagree: ... it's like, "I'm ALRIGHT Jack - and to :censored: with ANYBODY else!" :UpYurs:

[Terpe]

Bloody daft public queuing to fill up their 4x4 s because of tanker drivers ballot!
Strike has not even started but these selfish ..... who panic buy get on my tits!

Ahhhh! now that's why my local Sainsbury petrol station was chokablock.
Y'know I just couldn't figure it out, it's never ever busy on a Monday afternoon, but there were loads of people.
I paid 140.99 per litre for standard unleaded. That's a record for me to date. :doh

[stevewool]

no one should hold this country to ransom, what are these people on per week or month, lots i can asure you, best paid drivers in the country, then next are tesco drivers, most of the fuel drivers move about the country, when there is someone short they send a driver over put them in lodgings for the week plus a car and they earn a lot of cash

[Jamesey]

More lazy, workshy reprobates trying to hold the country to ransom! :cwm23:

The tanker drivers are very well paid, but they say the proposed strike is over conditions and health and safety. And yet this is the sort of genius that works as a tanker driver:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5M--0CSZ1I

[Dedworth]

Greedy ba$tards - McCluskey Champagne Socialist

£10,000 feast at a top hotel for 300 senior trade unionists washed down with fine wine

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036928/Trade-unionists-wash-10k-hotel-feast-fine-wine.html#ixzz1qG4YwrzT

[bigmarco]

Greedy/Workshy/Holding the Country to ransom seems a bit harsh. From what I'm reading they seem to be in dispute over safety and terms and conditions. I havent read anything about excessive wage demands. They haven't been on strike for 12 years which suggest to me they've probably got a genuine case. Don't now about anyone else but I wouldn't like to think that any company would be cutting corners on safety with 35000 litre tankers being driven on our roads.

[stevie c]

Just been to my local asda forecourt to fill up with diesel only to be told they have run out :NoNo::doh:angry:

[Dedworth]

I was on 1/4 last night so filled up - on my travels this morning there didn't look to be any panic buying at local petrol stations

[stevie c]

:Erm: Ded maybe it is just coincidence that they have run out of diesel just as they have anounced the strike plans :NoNo:

[sars_notd_virus]

well paid... Why not ?...besides it should be everyone going on stike, stop buying fuel stop Drinking alchol and stop smoking, then there will be no money for NHS and most of the Goverment... they might even have to start taxing banks heavens forbid,:doh

[andy222]

well paid... Why not ?...besides it should be everyone going on stike, stop buying fuel stop Drinking alchol and stop smoking, then there will be no money for NHS and most of the Goverment... they might even have to start taxing banks heavens forbid,:doh

I agree,:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

I went up to the Lake District to work Mon-Weds, and was already worrying about having enough petrol to get back home, even in my boy's little Punto. :rolleyes:

Sheer madness in York today, with queues everywhere.

I nipped out to a little country garage about 5 miles away to top up, and had to pay £1.47p a litre. :bigcry:

ps...Wish I'd taken my camera to the Lakes. :Brick:

[andy222]

Its crazy. Like one guy said on the tv. Cameron should have kept his mouth shut. Anyway Im on a weeks break if there is no petrol for next week I cant do my job. But i will still get paid I hope.:doh

[RickyR]

I dunno what your all moaning about, only cost me 20 pence a litre to fill up my 4x4 the other day. Ooops the joys of living in the big sandpit with more oil then water.

Scares me to think how much fuel costs in the UK. People have no option but to get to work, yet often have very little choice but to drive. The stealth taxes of the UK.

[subseastu]

Of course if we'd maintained the inland water ways better we'd be transporting most of this stuff, including most of the frieght, coa,l etc by boats instead of clogging up the roads with hgv's. Works very well over in holland etc.

[lastlid]

...... in the big sandpit with more oil then water.



:icon_lol: The warmest and biggest beaches in the world eh....:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[lastlid]

Adding fuel to the flames. This sort of thing wont be helping either the supply of oil and gas or the price.

http://english.capital.gr/News.asp?id=1451917

Time to go and buy electric cars.....
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/scooter230607_468x401.jpg

[lastlid]

Greedy/Workshy/Holding the Country to ransom seems a bit harsh. From what I'm reading they seem to be in dispute over safety and terms and conditions. I havent read anything about excessive wage demands. They haven't been on strike for 12 years which suggest to me they've probably got a genuine case. Don't now about anyone else but I wouldn't like to think that any company would be cutting corners on safety with 35000 litre tankers being driven on our roads.

Yes. I suppose they are driving around a large potential "bomb"......

[Dedworth]

Of course if we'd maintained the inland water ways better we'd be transporting most of this stuff, including most of the frieght, coa,l etc by boats instead of clogging up the roads with hgv's. Works very well over in holland etc.

:gp:

[lastlid]

:gp:

It is a good point as it would be a far safer route, for the most part.

[lastlid]

http://inkace.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/y/o/you_have_the_right_to_stop_the_job_.jpg

This (tanker strike) is possibly the ultimate example of Stop the Job for Safety

[grahamw48]

Adding fuel to the flames. This sort of thing wont be helping either the supply of oil and gas or the price.

http://english.capital.gr/News.asp?id=1451917

Time to go and buy electric cars.....
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/scooter230607_468x401.jpg

I'll be getting the racing model. :D

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http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/9360/harewoodandyorkdrag005.jpg

[lastlid]

I'll be getting the racing model. :D

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http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/9360/harewoodandyorkdrag005.jpg

The black one? :D

[lastlid]

Yorkshire.

"A woman has been badly burned after petrol ignited as she transferred it between containers in her kitchen".

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/woman-burned-while-decanting-petrol-091318813.html

[Dedworth]

Yorkshire.

"A woman has been badly burned after petrol ignited as she transferred it between containers in her kitchen".

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/woman-burned-while-decanting-petrol-091318813.html

Cretin

[grahamw48]

That's hot news here in York. :)

[lastlid]

That's hot news here in York. :)

Burning hot.....

[grahamw48]

I think there's some mileage in this one for Arthur...but no flaming please. :D

[Dedworth]

Hot off the press

[grahamw48]

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[stevewool]

Of course if we'd maintained the inland water ways better we'd be transporting most of this stuff, including most of the frieght, coa,l etc by boats instead of clogging up the roads with hgv's. Works very well over in holland etc.

never will work here, its been tried to ship cargo onto trains to towns but you still have to move it from the station, plus its not just the hgvs clogging the roads

[grahamw48]

There's also been a vast increase in women drivers :rolleyes:, also in light vans full of blokes who years ago probably would have been working nearer to their homes in mines or factories, making stuff for the home and export markets. :NoNo:

[stevewool]

thats right the roads are full every day and night, everything takes longer so smile and be happy while you drive your truck, car, van, or anything:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Rosie1958]

Yorkshire.

"A woman has been badly burned after petrol ignited as she transferred it between containers in her kitchen".

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/woman-burned-while-decanting-petrol-091318813.html

Ms Hill's injury has prompted firefighters to issue another warning to people about storing petrol in their homes.

Peter Hudson, of North Yorkshire Fire and Rescue Service, said: "In domestic situations fuel containers must not be stored in living accommodation such as kitchens, living rooms and bedrooms or under staircases."

He added: "Never bring petrol inside your home. If you do smell petrol fumes in a garage or outbuilding ventilate the area and make sure nobody smokes or turns electrical switches on or off.

"The slightest spark could cause an explosion."

Meanwhile, Unite, which represents around 2,000 fuel tanker drivers, ruled out the threat of strikes over Easter and said it wanted to focus on talks.

The AA has warned of "stupid and very dangerous" actions being taken by panicked drivers.

In a statement, the motoring organisation said that in Macclesfield, Cheshire, one observer had seen an elderly woman using a petrol pump to fill jam jars.

Another man was seen at the same petrol station filling one gallon washing-up liquid bottles with fuel.

AA president Edmund King said: "Some people seem to have lost any sense of proportion."
:doh:doh:doh

[grahamw48]

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/797/petrolpanic.jpg

[hawk]

goverments gone nuts there at fault for causing havok people would not be doing drastic measures if they wasnt pushed i filled up today i didnt panic i just drove in filled up then went 5 min max there wasnt no more there than usual filing up next it will be gov saying there food then it will def all go nuts

[subseastu]

never will work here, its been tried to ship cargo onto trains to towns but you still have to move it from the station, plus its not just the hgvs clogging the roads

True but if you can transport goods closer to their detination by river / canal or indeed rail then you should reduce the amount of haulage using the motorways etc shouldn't you? You are right its not just the hgv's etc that are clogging up the roads, the amount of cars on UK roads is growing very quickly.

[lastlid]

True but if you can transport goods closer to their detination by river / canal or indeed rail then you should reduce the amount of haulage using the motorways etc shouldn't you? You are right its not just the hgv's etc that are clogging up the roads, the amount of cars on UK roads is growing very quickly.

Yes. And I would think safety issues, which seem to be at the core of the tanker drivers grievance, would be lessened (not eliminated) by canal. Only thing is, transport by waterway is painfully slow.

[lastlid]

Hot off the press

Explosive story....

[stevewool]

[QUOTE=lastlid;350538]Yes. And I would think safety issues, which seem to be at the core of the tanker drivers grievance,

safety issues, wha safety issues i causing this, people dont realize that the health and safety issues that tanker drivers go through its just the sme as our drivers and me, to carry some floor cleaners and washing up liquid, even packs of batteries all come under the same licence, drivers hours, well workmore you get paid more, they are ways round everything, i think this has nothing to do with drivers its the unions and the goverment both parties i believe, just my thoughts, dont mean to offend anyone

[grahamw48]

goverments gone nuts there at fault for causing havok people would not be doing drastic measures if they wasnt pushed i filled up today i didnt panic i just drove in filled up then went 5 min max there wasnt no more there than usual filing up next it will be gov saying there food then it will def all go nuts

What we need is for a gov. minister to let slip that all illegals and asylum seekers are going to be sent to Afghanistan to assist the army and police there.

Aaaah the panic to get out of the country. :D

[lastlid]

[QUOTE=lastlid;350538]Yes. And I would think safety issues, which seem to be at the core of the tanker drivers grievance,

safety issues, wha safety issues i causing this, people dont realize that the health and safety issues that tanker drivers go through its just the sme as our drivers and me, to carry some floor cleaners and washing up liquid, even packs of batteries all come under the same licence, drivers hours, well workmore you get paid more, they are ways round everything, i think this has nothing to do with drivers its the unions and the goverment both parties i believe, just my thoughts, dont mean to offend anyone

A tanker full of fuel is a higher risk than a lorry full of, say, baby food. If those boys are involved in an accident then the consequences are potentially more dire, Steve.

In our side of the oil industry anything flammable goes by sea and not by helicopter, slightly different I know but similar kind of thing.

Having said that, I am all ears, Steve as I have never driven a lorry.......I just empathise with the saftey side of this issue but I confess I dont know the full story.

[grahamw48]

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They make me nervous.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6b0OTY6HJ4&feature=related

[stevewool]

you will be suprized what goes by our lorrys, its like anything,just have to be careful, if a accident happens it will happen, all i am saying you need the same licence to carry chemicals, batteries and fuel,like i said its down to the unions and goverment

[andy222]

I hope there is some fuel left I havnt filled up yet.:doh.

[grahamw48]

Starting to investigate alternative transportation now...:Erm:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYi76MACrV8&feature=relmfu

[bigmarco]

The Union has consistently said that the dispute is not about pay, which sounds to me like it's probably greedy employers trying to squeeze as much as possible from existing employees instead of employing more drivers.You cannot compromise safety in areas like fuel transportation .
My Own Union is currently in dispute with our employer as they are trying to get us to drive Underground Trains for longer periods during the Olympics. They are trying to increase our maximum shifts from 8hrs 30 mins to 9hrs 30 mins for the duration of both Olympic Games. They have offered some money as an inducement to agree this temporary change to existing agreements but money is not everything. You do feel tired after spending that time in underground tunnels so to add an extra hour to the day is just dangerous. They have known the Olympics has been coming for years so why not employ some extra drivers to fill any gaps. Incidentally they have offered no amnesty to drivers should they be involved in a safety related incident during this time. So if you have a SPAD (pass a red signal) in your ninth hour it's still down to you.
So in my view although the extra money would be nice when you balance it against the risks involved I'd rather not .

[lastlid]

You do feel tired after spending that time in underground tunnels so to add an extra hour to the day is just dangerous. .

Is the air a bit stale for a long stint down there? I get the impression yes...maybe okay for an hour or so but for 8 hours plus, more problematic?

[lastlid]

So if you have a SPAD (pass a red signal) in your ninth hour it's still down to you.


Interesting, Marco. Can you call "Time Out for Safety" or is that just an oilfield expression? Presumably not when you are pulling a train full of passengers along?

[Dedworth]

As far as I understand it Tube Drivers have to work some public holidays but £45-50k pa for a 35-37 hour week plus 43 days annual leave week isn't to be sniffed at.

There's still a long way to go to match the £133000 pa Fat Cat Comrade Bob Crow trousers

[bigmarco]

Interesting, Marco. Can you call "Time Out for Safety" or is that just an oilfield expression? Presumably not when you are pulling a train full of passengers along?

You can ask for time out if your tired but you cant make a habit of it otherwise your capability to do the job may be questioned.

[grahamw48]

Wow, is that how much they earn ? :omg:

[bigmarco]

As far as I understand it Tube Drivers have to work some public holidays but £45-50k pa for a 35-37 hour week plus 43 days annual leave week isn't to be sniffed at.

There's still a long way to go to match the £133000 pa Fat Cat Comrade Bob Crow trousers

Paid for a 35hour week the rest is banked towards annual leave. Bank holidays not recognised.

Leave Bob alone he's worth every penny :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

funny the more you earn the more you want, dont get me wrong, whats fair is fair, i have not had a pay rise for 3 years now, but am happy with my wage, i can save for my early retirement, put food on the table and dont have any debt what so ever, be happy in what you do:)

[bigmarco]

funny the more you earn the more you want, dont get me wrong, whats fair is fair, i have not had a pay rise for 3 years now, but am happy with my wage, i can save for my early retirement, put food on the table and dont have any debt what so ever, be happy in what you do:)

Steve my point was not about wanting more but about safety. I don't think money should be offered to break pre existing safety parameters. If its deemed not safe to do it now why would ot be considered safe during the Olympics. Much the same as the Tanker drivers where the initial argument is that they are being greedy despite pay not being their issue.
Not sure the way prices have been going that I would be happy with not getting a pay rise for 3 years though, but if your happy with your lot then thats all that matters :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[lastlid]

You can ask for time out if your tired but you cant make a habit of it otherwise your capability to do the job may be questioned.

Got you there.

[lastlid]

I recall the Moorgate tube disaster. I was working in London then........

[bigmarco]

Yep remember that one. I believe that was the trigger for Random Drug and Alchohol testing on the job.

[lastlid]

Yet he evidently was neither drinking or on drugs?

[lastlid]

Yes. i worked near Liverpool St then.

[bigmarco]

Yet he evidently was neither drinking or on drugs?

Sorry I was talking :censored: there. Cannon Street was the trigger because they believed he'd been on the wacky backy.
I think Moorgate saw the introduction of fixed train stops at Terminus Platforms where if the train doesnt slow down to a certain speed when entering the platform it gets tripped and emergency brakes apply which effectively prevents that happening again.

[lastlid]

Yeah . He just kept going without slowing down....straight into the wall?. I recall it put Moorgate tube station out of action for a long time.

[lastlid]

I find the tube system fascinating. Like a swiss cheese under london..... I was down there last xmas, hasnt really changed too much since 70s. Some modern trains now and the extra line or 2 but basically the same.

[grahamw48]

Sorry I was talking :censored: there. Cannon Street was the trigger because they believed he'd been on the wacky backy.
I think Moorgate saw the introduction of fixed train stops at Terminus Platforms where if the train doesnt slow down to a certain speed when entering the platform it gets tripped and emergency brakes apply which effectively prevents that happening again.

Blimey, you'd think someone would have thought of that YEARS ago. :doh

That leaves me quite shocked to be honest. :NoNo:

[lastlid]

Blimey, you'd think someone would have thought of that YEARS ago. :doh

That leaves me quite shocked to be honest. :NoNo:

We tend to be more reactive than proactive when it comes to safety. Look at the Titanic. Same in the oil industry.

If one of these oil tankers had an accident in a built up area then this whole debate would be looked at in a different light.

[Dedworth]

I find the tube system fascinating. Like a swiss cheese under london..... I was down there last xmas, hasnt really changed too much since 70s. Some modern trains now and the extra line or 2 but basically the same.


Theres a good documentary / fly on the wall series THe Tube http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01cl522/The_Tube_Episode_1/

[lastlid]

Theres a good documentary / fly on the wall series THe Tube http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01cl522/The_Tube_Episode_1/

Hang on Ded, I am just watching a program on "Is Britain too complacent about the far right?"

[lastlid]

Theres a good documentary / fly on the wall series THe Tube

Hehe. Mark Davies. Is that you Big Marco?

More vomit than I remember....

Stratford looks like its going to be super busy with the Olympics and the new shopping mall. WOW about a 1000 passengers getting off on train.......dam close to my old favourites West Ham

I tend to look upon the Tube as a great example of Victorian engineering.

[Dedworth]

Hang on Ded, I am just watching a program on "Is Britain too complacent about the far right?"

:D

[lastlid]

:D

It was on at 10 am The Big Question with Nicky Campbell..
On the weekend that the EDL and far-right groups from across Europe are holding a rally in Denmark, Nicky Campbell asks if Britain is too complacent about the far right.

[bigmarco]

Hehe. Mark Davies. Is that you Big Marco?



I tend to look upon the Tube as a great example of Victorian engineering.

Thats true, the only problem is nobody has really invested in it since. To be fair they are doing it slowly now but it does make you wonder where all the moneys gone over the years.
Apparently Driverless trains is supposedly not far away which I must confess is a little worrying but it seems to be a reality . Hopefully I'll get another 10 years if I'm lucky.:)

[lastlid]

"The dispute has been going on for more than a year, with Unite saying that sub-contracting across the fuel haulage industry is undermining the pay, conditions and safety training of its drivers."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17620647

[Dedworth]

"The dispute has been going on for more than a year, with Unite saying that sub-contracting across the fuel haulage industry is undermining the pay, conditions and safety training of its drivers."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17620647

Typical unbalanced BBC report only giving one side of the story.

The Independent states :-

A spokesman for Hoyer, one of the firms involved in the dispute, said: "Given that safety is a mantra for our business, we believe there are some fundamental areas of agreement between ourselves and Unite over the need to harmonise health and safety standards across the industry."

[lastlid]

Chinese Electric Cars - BBC Report

"Small electric vehicles are gaining popularity in China, despite their top speeds of only 30 km/h.

Thousands of the three wheelers are being sold at between $600 and $1500.

Users are not required to have a driving license as, according to current regulations, they are not classified as a car.

Eric Camara reports"


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17780515

[grahamw48]

I can see those being popular sharing the bus lanes. :rolleyes:

The Sinclair C5 was a bit before its time I suppose...and also a useless pest to other road users. :D

[London_Manila]

More lazy, workshy reprobates trying to hold the country to ransom! :cwm23:

The tanker drivers are very well paid, but they say the proposed strike is over conditions and health and safety. And yet this is the sort of genius that works as a tanker driver:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5M--0CSZ1I

BP is known as BLOOD PRESSURE amongst their own drivers due to how many loads they have to do in a day, most of these tanker drivers are far from workshy and are really pushed to the limit by their companies

[lastlid]

BP is known as BLOOD PRESSURE amongst their own drivers due to how many loads they have to do in a day, most of these tanker drivers are far from workshy and are really pushed to the limit by their companies

I have to say that I have seen that side of the business, first hand.

[grahamw48]

Rather like the parcel delivery van drivers being expected to rush about like dangerous lunatics.

An area of work where H&S COULD usefully intervene, because competition is causing a lack of safety and high levels of stress.

If the customers all have to pay an extra 50p per package...so be it, if it means that YOUR family isn't in a head-on with a delivery van, or every time the parcel man knocks on your door and then leaves a card because he hasn't got time to wait for you to answer it. :NoNo: