this £18600 and the government

[stevewool]

lots have been said about the government and the figure that was being thrown about, lucky for some the figure is just over £18000, and unlucky for those that do not earn that, the reason i am writing this is, what would you do if you dont earn this amount or if the figure was more, i can only speak for myself here, so i dont mean to offend anyone, if my emma was still in the phils i would work has hard as i could and yes we would be in contact each day or as many times as you can, skype, cheap phone calls, thank god for the internet, but no way would i ever think we would part, it would make my mind up to go over there as soon as i could, you could have a great month out there each year or two month it all depends on what you want in this life,

[lastlid]

My wife's sister hasn't seen her husband for a couple of years. He is an OFW.

[Iani]

I don't know, I just don't know

BUT, after I rightfully got my .... kicked a bit on here yesterday for getting down about this, I now think, why should the :censored: tories split me up from my partner :cwm23:

So it might take a little longer, but I will work my backside off and get my wage up to this. I am just beyond angry

[hawk]

if it comes down to it i would work for 6 months save as much as poss then go to phil for 6 months or untill money starts to run out then do it over again till we could afford to run a buisines then stay this gov will never keep me apart from marites

[Terpe]

if it comes down to it i would work for 6 months save as much as poss then go to phil for 6 months or untill money starts to run out then do it over again till we could afford to run a buisines then stay this gov will never keep me apart from marites

Yeah, me too. Definitely, for sure.
Or maybe 9 months Pinas 3 months elsewhere. Easier to earn big money for temp job in Japan.

[grahamw48]

Where there's a will there's a way.

I couldn't begin to describe the :censored: I've had to go through to first bring the ex-wife and her kids
here in the first place and then to keep her happy and the kids taken care of properly after that (well, for 12 years anyway).:NoNo:

I've no time for people who expect life on a plate and aren't prepared to make sacrifices.

If you truly love another person, then they will always be put ahead of your own needs and you will find the resources to meet theirs.

[deeen]

40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, that's £8.95 per hour.

[andy222]

I have been thinking about this. I have options like steve said I could buy a nice house out there for my wife and stepdaughter and visit a couple of times a year. On the other hand we could apply for the visa. Obviously they would refuse it then we could appeal on the grounds that we planned and got married before all these restrictions come into place. What do you guys think?

[grahamw48]

I would say do it asap because the restrictions haven't actually come in yet...have they ? :Erm:

[Lancashirelad]

How about move to another eu country with more sensible immigration laws and then get a spouse visa?

[Robert86]

guys as im from northern ireland and can have duel passport both british and irish, whats the chances i could bring my wife on an EEA Family permit.. :Help1:

[grahamw48]

Looking good I'd say.

I was thinking of going down the same route if needs be, as apparently I can get an Irish (Republic) passport due to my Grandma being Irish. :)

[Robert86]

i really hope so i just hope they dont refuse me on the grounds that i have never lived there in the south of ireland though.. :doh

[DeltaRomeo]

the reason i am writting this is, what would you do if you dont earn this amount or if the figure was more

I bet we've all had thougts like that cross our minds already.. It's not a new worry. The visa process was already such that nothing could be taken for granted or planned with 100% certainty.

The trouble of course now is that before you get to that stage, many people will have higher hurdles and hoops to navigate - and then the stresses and strains of the visa process.

So my worry isn't so much the income threshold - to a degree that can be achieved by most at it's current low level of £18600 (we are so fortunate to have such a low unemployment rate and great economic climate, what with such a high minimum wage level too!).

No my worries are the new tests - Niechel (my fiancee) passed the current requirements albeit not with flying colours. Will the new requirements be attainable by the majority? The britishness test is a complete unknown.. what will that entail and will it be attainable easily? Perhaps I am not british enough after 46years.

Then after those pre-requisites there still remains the stress of convincing a not very interested pen pusher that your relationship is genuine and have your personal life scrutinised and dissected.

But if we fail in our bid.. I will leave. I will go to any other country and continue to pay my way and contribute to that society / community as I have for the duration of my working life here.

[joebloggs]

wait and see, I'm sure there will be ways around this :rolleyes:, court cases/tribunals,Judicial reviews, move to southern Ireland for a while or south of France and use the family permit :rolleyes: or wait til the next election and hopefully the labour party will throw it out :rolleyes:

[lykayu01]

i wonder how long does it take to get a Irish citizenship if so ...also what are the requirements and how much????? as my hubby has only a british citizenship and passport but i believe he is allowed to get an irish one if so .....just incase things would get much tighter...cross fingers...

[lykayu01]

another thing was that £18600 is a yearly salary of the sponsor already less taxes and stuffs???

[Robert86]

if your husband was born on the island of ireland, north or south before 2004 he is entitled to irish citizenship under the good friday agreement. i also have only british passport but will be getting an irish passport, spoke to the irish passport office in dublin today and they said it takes 10 days.

[Robert86]

at this very moment, people from northern ireland with dual citizenship can apply for EEA family permit and must be treated as EEA citizens, but the UK government are trying to close this route..

[Terpe]

i really hope so i just hope they dont refuse me on the grounds that i have never lived there in the south of ireland though.. :doh

My suggestion is to get onto that strategy asap before the Home Office closes that door on you.
Whatever the twists and turns, whatever the doubts and uncertainties and whatever the final result just remember you having NOTHING to lose.
The EEA Route for an EEA familiy permit is more of a 'right' than an application for review and is fully and freely available to you.

In principle there is no need for the EEA national to already be in the UK,
to have an NI number, to have money, to have suitable accommodation, to have been married for more than a day or to have the spouse pass any English Language test or to pay any fee at any time for an EEA family permit.
Well you need to pay for the air-ticket:D
Oh, and you need to pay for your Irish Passport:D

Go for it now Robert.

[Nick30]

Yes that's right Terpe, go for it now mate.
I'm thinking of going to live in Malta when my girlfriend's nursing contract ends in Kuwait in February 2013 so we're thinking if she pursues a career in Malta or another EU country.

[grahamw48]

So what you thinking of doing for work in Malta ? :)

[Nick30]

Can we apply for Irish passport and bring our spouses to Ireland? I didn't know that we could go through that route.

[Nick30]

My dad is Maltese and my late grandparents lived in Malta from my dads side. I have an aunty and uncle with cousins there living in Malta. Such a beautiful little island.
:)

[Terpe]

Can we apply for Irish passport and bring our spouses to Ireland? I didn't know that we could go through that route.

If you're a British Citizen living in Ireland then the EEA route would work out.

Do you qualify for an Irish Passport? or any other passport apart from British?

If the answer is yes then you may have some options even here in UK if you can act fairly promptly.
If the answer is no then you could review opportunities to work within the EU and bring your spouse to join you on a family permit.
Malta is an EU member so your idea about that may work out well.
Could you secure employment there Nick?

[Nick30]

If I could yes.
We just wait to see what happens first with Theresa May:)

[grahamw48]

My dad is Maltese and my late grandparents lived in Malta from my dads side. I have an aunty and uncle with cousins there living in Malta. Such a beautiful little island.
:)


Ah right.

One of my best friends is Maltese, my mother started school there, my dad was based there a few times with the RN, and my brother used to live there.

Despite many invitations...not been there myself. :(

[lolowalsh]

introducing a new minimum income threshold of £18,600 for sponsoring the settlement in the UK of a spouse or partner, fiancé(e) or proposed civil partner, of non-European Economic Area (EEA) nationality, with a higher threshold for any children also sponsored; £22,400 for one child and an additional £2,400 for each further child;

Ok help to understand this cause i'm bloody confused do they mean that the new law is for No EEA who wants to bring their partners and husbands to uk

or this new law is affecting all meaning also british citizenship who wants bring their partners in the uk ?

[Nick30]

How about living in France as it's next door to us across the English channel?
@lolowalsh, yes I think it's affecting all.

[raynaputi]

introducing a new minimum income threshold of £18,600 for sponsoring the settlement in the UK of a spouse or partner, fiancé(e) or proposed civil partner, of non-European Economic Area (EEA) nationality, with a higher threshold for any children also sponsored; £22,400 for one child and an additional £2,400 for each further child;

Ok help to understand this cause i'm bloody confused do they mean that the new law is for No EEA who wants to bring their partners and husbands to uk

or this new law is affecting all meaning also british citizenship who wants bring their partners in the uk ?


How about living in France as it's next door to us across the English channel?
@lolowalsh, yes I think it's affecting all.

The new changes apply to all British citizens and Non EEA sponsors who have a Non EEA spouse/partner..EXCEPT someone from the EU with a non EEA spouse/partner :doh

[lolowalsh]

EXCEPT someone from the EU with a non EEA spouse/partner :doh

:doh You have said except do you mean that if someone was a british born and hold a british citizenship and who wants to bring a non EEA Spouse or partner

on the website they says : introducing a new minimum income threshold of £18,600 for sponsoring the settlement in the UK of a spouse or partner, fiancé(e) or proposed civil partner, of non-European Economic Area (EEA) nationality

from what i understand if they mean people who already live in england and form the N EEA area so i think Bitish people who wants to bring their spouse are not concerned by that new law

[raynaputi]

lolowalsh, go to this thread to understand.. http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/39003-IMPORTANT-READ-THIS-Statement-of-intent-Family-migration

[grahamw48]

It means 'Europeans' (except us Brits) with non-European partners can continue to do what the hell they like...as previously. :rolleyes:

[joebloggs]

:doh You have said except do you mean that if someone was a british born and hold a british citizenship and who wants to bring a non EEA Spouse or partner

on the website they says : introducing a new minimum income threshold of £18,600 for sponsoring the settlement in the UK of a spouse or partner, fiancé(e) or proposed civil partner, of non-European Economic Area (EEA) nationality

from what i understand if they mean people who already live in england and form the N EEA area so i think Bitish people who wants to bring their spouse are not concerned by that new law


It means 'Europeans' (except us Brits) with non-European partners can continue to do what the hell they like...as previously. :rolleyes:

2.2. Status of British nationals
The UK is also a member of the EEA; however, a British national cannot exercise a Treaty
right in the UK because by definition a Treaty right is something that is exercised by an EU
national when in another Member State. A British national, and his/her third country national
family members, can only benefit from free movement rights if they meet the criteria
established in the ECJ case of SURINDER SINGH. Please refer to paragraph 5.8.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/policyandlaw/IDIs/idischapter7/section3/section3.pdf?view=Binary

[joebloggs]

How about living in France as it's next door to us across the English channel?
@lolowalsh, yes I think it's affecting all.

southern Ireland nearer UK and they speak english :D

[Nick30]

We could try Southern Ireland thanks Joe :)

[lykayu01]

if your husband was born on the island of ireland, north or south before 2004 he is entitled to irish citizenship under the good friday agreement. i also have only british passport but will be getting an irish passport, spoke to the irish passport office in dublin today and they said it takes 10 days.

thats great more details about it would really help a lot if worst comes to worst...hope we can stay in contact as we are just in Antrim also very close in belfast... :):Hellooo::Hellooo::Hellooo::Hellooo:

[Nick30]

So does this mean that we can try Ireland if worst comes to the worst? It's sounding good :)

[DeltaRomeo]

I don't understand why folks that find they are forced to move to another country would want to move temporarily and return here. Why the loyalty?
These changes are degrading and dehumanising - to treat your own citizens as less than our European guests is wrong wrong wrong.
If I find myself in a situation that to be with my wife the only recourse is to leave the country - I would never wish to return.

[Robert86]

thats great more details about it would really help a lot if worst comes to worst...hope we can stay in contact as we are just in Antrim also very close in belfast... :):Hellooo::Hellooo::Hellooo::Hellooo:
add me on yahoo messenger my address is ramc86:)

[gWaPito]

Where there's a will there's a way.

I couldn't begin to describe the :censored: I've had to go through to first bring the ex-wife and her kids
here in the first place and then to keep her happy and the kids taken care of properly after that (well, for 12 years anyway).:NoNo:

I've no time for people who expect life on a plate and aren't prepared to make sacrifices.

If you truly love another person, then they will always be put ahead of your own needs and you will find the resources to meet theirs.
Nice one Graham..I totally agree..must be the generation we are from :)

I got family who never worked and expect and expect...really ticks me off.

[grahamw48]

Nice one Graham..I totally agree..must be the generation we are from :)

I got family who never worked and expect and expect...really ticks me off.

I think it's listed under 'pride' and 'self-respect'. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

These changes are degrading and dehumanising - to treat your own citizens as less than our European guests is wrong wrong wrong.

:iagree: ... you are sooo RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, Dave! :yeahthat:!

[Arthur Little]

southern Ireland nearer UK and they speak english :D

:yeahthat: ... although, Erse :butthead: is the native :irish: language! :D

[stevewool]

I don't understand why folks that find they are forced to move to another country would want to move temporarily and return here. Why the loyalty?
These changes are degrading and dehumanising - to treat your own citizens as less than our European guests is wrong wrong wrong.
If I find myself in a situation that to be with my wife the only recourse is to leave the country - I would never wish to return.

the trouble is , work is here, best to make plans to earn so much then retire early in another country

[Nick30]

How about living in Switzerland?

[andy222]

How about telling may and greene to :censored:off and fight it in court?

[Arthur Little]

How about telling may and greene to :censored:off and fight it in court?

:gp:, Andy ... MY sentiments entirely.

[Iani]

How about telling may and greene to :censored:off and fight it in court?

Well, this is bound to happen eventually. You know, it might be worth having a chat with a solicitor to see if it could be done on legal aid (which you have to agree surely, would be poetic justice...........government funds to sue the government).
If you rent your home, then theres a good chance you could. I would ask myself, but I'm mortgaged, so no chance.

The whole sickening thing about this, is that deep down, it is a good idea - I mean ensuring someone can support their new partner and isn't going to be a burden on the taxpayer. BUT, this is a ridiculous ludicrous way of doing it. You could be mortgaged to heck, have near zero disposable income, but qualify. Someone could be earning a really low wage but have no or a very low mortgage and be able to live well.

So it's preaching to the converted :icon_lol: Don't they get though, the fact many of us go visit our partners at the other side of the world, doesn't that demonstrate we've got a certain affordability? Idiots!

[Paulypoos1973]

Just been reading this thread and whilst its inspiring and heart warming to see everyone coming up with ideas to get around homewrecker Mays planned changes, its also really sad to think we HAVE to be doing this. As folks British born and bred we have less rights now concerning bringing our non-european wifes here then europeans free to live/work here. Theres a lot of talk about living abroad and applying for citizenship elsewhere but we are straying a little away from the point which surely is .. WHY THE HELL SHOULD WE!

Born here, raised here, working here, family/friends here, paying tax here ... This is MY home, MY country and some witch of a civil servant is dictating to me who I can choose as a wife and bring to live with me. How dare she!

The public elected her (not me I should add) shes a public SERVANT, here to ensure my rights are enforced, protected and instead shes causing me problems. Her arrogance is beyond belief, her willingness to casually announce changes that will wreck lives breathtaking and as much as I would move heaven and earth to be with my wife Im going to fight the witch tooth and nail before even considering moving abroad.

I intend to apply for my wifes visa, expect to get it rejected on the grounds of income and then deluge the appeals process until hopefully her changes are overturned as clearly they are against human rights laws no matter how much she claims they work in conjunction with them.

Theresa May, theres a storm brewing!

In closing, I urge everyone to email Labours shadow immigration minister

BryantC@parliament.uk

Telling him your story and why you object.

Also get acqauinted with this website

http://www.jcwi.org.uk/policy/united-love-divided-theresa-may

Fascinating stuff and theres a link at the bottom for you to leave your story also, they are building a file of case studies.


LASTLY ..... I found a reply someone published on the net from the Shadow Immigration Minister which appears to be very interesting, suggesting Labour would instead prefer to issue a repayable bond to applicants. Please read and share views..

http://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=75732.0

Heres the text from the forum post in full:
I don't know if this has been posted already cause it is probably a template but here ya go...



Dear Ms ?"(&,

Many thanks for getting in touch regarding the Government’s proposals on family migration into the UK.. Many others have also contacted me to make clear their opposition to what the Government is suggesting and we intend to take a long hard look at the full package of measures once they are published.. People have cited a wide range of anomalies that could exist, including in relation to those living with a disability and the differential pay gap between men and women and whether the UK salary or assets of the migrant could be taken into account when their review is being considered.. Such is the number of emails that it would be difficult for me to go into the details of each and every case.

Theresa May has suggested that she intends to bring in a wide range of reforms, but unfortunately the Government have not yet shown us the precise details of what they intend, nor have they explained exactly how their changes would be implemented, what level of discretion there will be, or how the proposed changes will impact on different communities or people.. These should be published soon and then we shall make clear which elements of the changes we will oppose and which we will support.. We may be able to support, for instance, government proposals on preventing sham marriages.. That is why we have already asked the government a series of questions about the fairness, the effectiveness and the implementation of their policy.

Our broad approach will be guided by four principles:

·. . . . .Everyone coming to this country should expect to live by our rules, speak our language and want to make a contribution to our society

·. . . . .The right to love and marry the person of your choice is intrinsic to our shared humanity but only genuine relationships, rather than pretend ones fabricated for immigration reasons, should qualify for bringing a spouse, partner or family member into this country

·. . . . .Nobody coming to this country should expect to rely on public funds (in fact immigrants to the UK are less likely to depend on or be in receipt of benefits than the resident population)

·. . . . .Any changes have to be fair, equitable and effective.. In this regard we worry that by relying solely on the income of the sponsor (especially in the present economic circumstances when someone on a decent salary today can all too easily be made redundant tomorrow), the Government’s changes may actually be counter-productive.. That is why we are seriously considering the idea of a bond that would be payable on arrival and redeemable after a fixed period.

Once again, I am grateful to you for getting in touch.

.

Yours sincerely

Chris Bryant

.

Chris Bryant MP

Member of Parliament for the Rhondda

Tonypandy: 01443 687697 or 687621

Westminster: 020 7219 8315 or 020 7219 1894

[mistermatty]

Well am i correct in thinking that the income threshold includes your wifes income if shes already here on a spouse visa ?

[Paulypoos1973]

I should add I havent personally had a reply from Bryants office despite emails, not even a THANKS FOR GETTING IN TOUCH. Perhaps its because he was replying I believe to someone with an American spouse, and as we all know... politicians bend over backwards when Americas involved.

[grahamw48]

Excellent post Paul.

I totally agree with your sentiments, and thanks for all the additional information .:xxgrinning--00xx3:

I think that silly cow underestimates the calibre of the people she is taking on. :angry:

[mistermatty]

Well am i correct in thinking that the income threshold includes your wifes income if shes already here on a spouse visa ?

well answering my own questions here lol .....Where or once the migrant applicant is in the UK with permission to work, we will take their earnings from employment here into account. If the applicant is already in the UK with permission to work on another migration route, or once they are here with such permission as a spouse, civil partner, unmarried partner or same sex partner on the family route, it is appropriate that their earnings from employment here should be counted towards the financial requirement. This will apply at the leave to remain, further leave to remain and indefinite leave to remain stages in the UK.

[Arthur Little]

well answering my own questions here lol .....

... and here was I, thinking you were ready to "take a pop" at the b:censored:tch - with your avatar!

[Paulypoos1973]

Finally got an email from Bryant ..

Dear sir I have had more than 500 emails on this. I'm afraid I can only reply to constituents.

Sorry this is such a short message but it has been sent from my phone, which has a very small keyboard.
Chris Bryant

... charming, a spokesman for immigration who doesnt want to hear about folks concerns about...Immigration. Surely if he only wants to deal with constituents he should remain solely an MP and not take on the additional role.

My heart bleeds for him with regards to the phone, poor soul, must be a difficult life being an MP. Here am I unable to have my wife at my side but it pales in comparison to his SMALL PHONE.

Once again I urge you ALL to email him at

Chris.bryant.mp@parliament.uk

This is the best email address, other one must be old.

Be sure to remind him he is SHADOW SPOKESMAN FOR IMMIGRATION and as such should listen to your concerns whether or not your a constituent of his.

[Terpe]

Well am i correct in thinking that the income threshold includes your wifes income if shes already here on a spouse visa ?

The answer is yes.
But..................if you wife is already here on a spouse visa then her immigration status is "grandfathered" and these new rules will not impact her (or you) in anyway.
She remains on a 2 year pathway to ILR and cann apply as normal.

Under the new rules then it's only the sponsor's income that's counted. However when the spouse is granted UK entry then her earned income will be counted towards the income requirement after the initial 30 months stay and also when ILR is applied for after the second 30 months stay.
Don't forget that the government has stated it will increase the limits annually.

Hope that helps you:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Terpe]

Finally got an email from Bryant ..

Dear sir I have had more than 500 emails on this. I'm afraid I can only reply to constituents.

Sorry this is such a short message but it has been sent from my phone, which has a very small keyboard.
Chris Bryant

... charming, a spokesman for immigration who doesnt want to hear about folks concerns about...Immigration. Surely if he only wants to deal with constituents he should remain solely an MP and not take on the additional role.

My heart bleeds for him with regards to the phone, poor soul, must be a difficult life being an MP. Here am I unable to have my wife at my side but it pales in comparisson to his SMALL PHONE.

Once again I urge you ALL to email him at

Chris.bryant.mp@parliament.uk

This is the best email address, other one must be old.

Be sure to remind him he is SHADOW SPOKESMAN FOR IMMIGRATION and as such should listen to your concerns whether or not your a constituent of his.

I think the best idea is for all of us to send our message to our own MP.
We should also take the opportunity to highlight the facts about EU migrants being allowed to have their family members join them in UK completely free of any financial cost or meeting any entry requirements at all. Additionally that they can access some Public Funds.

[Arthur Little]

Finally got an email from Bryant ..

Dear sir I have had more than 500 emails on this. I'm afraid I can only reply to constituents.

Sorry this is such a short message but it has been sent from my phone, which has a very small keyboard.
Chris Bryant

... charming, a spokesman for immigration who doesnt want to hear about folks concerns about...Immigration. Surely if he only wants to deal with constituents he should remain solely an MP and not take on the additional role.

My heart bleeds for him with regards to the phone, poor soul, must be a difficult life being an MP. Here am I unable to have my wife at my side but it pales in comparison to his SMALL PHONE.

Once again I urge you ALL to email him at

Chris.bryant.mp@parliament.uk

This is the best email address, other one must be old.

Be sure to remind him he is SHADOW SPOKESMAN FOR IMMIGRATION and as such should listen to your concerns whether or not your a constituent of his.

:cwm23: Bryant & May ... the perfect match! :D

[joebloggs]

i keep hearing about 'public funds', what public funds???, i've never heard anyone on TV or in the rags go into any detail, as most know on here know, unless a spouse has at least ILR they cannot claim any 'public funds' in their own name.

yes the British partner can claim 'public funds' if they are eligible, but they have a legal right to just as any other British citizen (as probably many Europeans living in the UK could claim), and they probably could claim that 'public fund' if their spouse partner was her or not !

also if they have kids, those kids will probably be British Citizens and have a right to live in the UK, so again they have a legal right to those funds just as any other British kid and once again the British parent would probably have a right to claim them funds if the non euro partner was here or not.

[mistermatty]

The answer is yes.
But..................if you wife is already here on a spouse visa then her immigration status is "grandfathered" and these new rules will not impact her (or you) in anyway.
She remains on a 2 year pathway to ILR and cann apply as normal.

Under the new rules then it's only the sponsor's income that's counted. However when the spouse is granted UK entry then her earned income will be counted towards the income requirement after the initial 30 months stay and also when ILR is applied for after the second 30 months stay.
Don't forget that the government has stated it will increase the limits annually.

Hope that helps you:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Salmat Cya for the clarification ....so the princess entered the uk sept 5 2010 and her visa runs out dec 1 2012 she can apply for ILR anytime from august 2 ?

[Paulypoos1973]

Naturally contacting your own MP is the best first move but dont talk down the idea of emailing Bryant for heavens sake, support it :Erm:

[Terpe]

Salmat Cya for the clarafication ....so the princess entered the uk sept 5 2010 and her visa runs out dec 1 2012 she can apply for ILR anytime from august 2 ?

The qualifying period for spouse ILR is 24 months living in UK.
If she entered UK 5th September 2010 her 24 month qualifying period ends 5th September 2012.
She is actually allowed to apply 28 days before the 24 months anniversary so she can apply anytime after 8th August 2012.
Not long to go then :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

you should be emailing your MP, May and Damian Green the minister of state for immigration.
i think this is more important than Bryant - got 3 years b4 labour get back in power :rolleyes:

[gWaPito]

you should be emailing your MP, May and Damian Green the minister of state for immigration.
i think this is more important than Bryant - got 3 years b4 labour get back in power :rolleyes:

As if those numpties are going make all the difference :rolleyes:
It was they who got us into this mess in the first place with there irresponsible policies..live for today..sod tomorrow attitude

Both parties are guilty as found. Disgraceful. Had we committed the same offensives in our place of work, we'd not only be sacked and escorted off the premises, we'd be put to jail with the key thrown away.

Bullcrap goverment. Bullcrap country :angry:

[grahamw48]

:iagree:

[joebloggs]

:icon_lol: if enough people (like the 25,000 who will be refused a visa if they apply) emailed May, that might have an effect :rolleyes:

i believe May doesn't have any kids, not much of a family then, i heard i think on the radio, someone said they aborted themselves :NoNo:

[grahamw48]

Maybe she should have to tell them all personally. :angry:

[joebloggs]

The Government believes that strong and stable families of all kinds are the bedrock of a strong and stable society.:laugher:
http://www.conservatives.com/policy/where_we_stand/family.aspx

We are committed to encouraging shared parenting and firmly believe that children should have meaningful relationships with both parents after separation. separated by Gov Policy, the father in the UK and the mother in the Phils :rolleyes:

[Arthur Little]

We are committed to encouraging shared parenting and firmly believe that children should have meaningful relationships with both parents after separation. separated by Gov Policy, the father in the UK and the mother in the Phils :rolleyes:

How the hell are they meant to communicate ... by telepathy? :rolleyes:

[Rory]

another thing was that £18600 is a yearly salary of the sponsor already less taxes and stuffs???

You are having a laugh, the £18,600 is gross not net. 18.6k per year net and i would be checking my P60 just to make sure !!!!

[gWaPito]

How the hell are they going to communicate ... by telepathy? :rolleyes:

Skype

[gWaPito]

:icon_lol: if enough people (like the 25,000 who will be refused a visa if they apply) emailed May, that might have an effect :rolleyes:

i believe May doesn't have any kids, not much of a family then, i heard i think on the radio, someone said they aborted themselves :NoNo:
Sounds about right...she looks a sour faced cow anyway... :angry:
No kids, how the hell can she relate to the people she's destroying.

[joebloggs]

No kids, how the hell can she relate to the people she's destroying.

no she doesn't have kids, maybe thats what made her bitter and jealous towards families :rolleyes:

like you gWaPito my kids are everything to me, little joe is full of life and happiness :Jump:

[gWaPito]

no she doesn't have kids, maybe thats what made her bitter and jealous towards families :rolleyes:

like you gWaPito my kids are everything to me, little joe is full of life and happiness :Jump: they are my world :D:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Tropicalpenpals]

Disappointed in this new idea of May's :action-smiley-081: and can't see how this affects immigration in any real positive way. We are watching the EU crumble and the biggest worry is an influx of Spanish and Greek immigrants so lets hammer those who should have a right to be in the UK :NoNo:

Problem is what is £18,600? pre or after tax? Im self employed and earn a lot more than that but there is still a major problem I don't declare as much as possible for self employed reasons. E.g. running a vehicle nationwide I do claim tax back on my fuel and repairs. I do have many other expenses in relation to being self employed including my own insurance. Will be interesting to see how things pan out when they do get processed. But I have little interest in political mistakes that penalise British citizens due to incompetence in the ability of the UK government to deal with illegals, asylum seekers and stupid EU rules that actively encouraged nations that were Eastern block to join and now pass the burden to us.:doh

[Terpe]

That £18600 is annual gross income from all sources.

Directors of a Ltd company who receive most of their income from dividends are allowed to include the dividend in the income reckoning.

[grahamw48]

As ever, only the honest will suffer. :rolleyes:

[WhiteBloodAda]

Looks like I will be emailing a few people soon then. It's refreshing to see and hear others saying they will apply anyway and appeal, as that is exactly what will do. My fiancee lived by the rules, payed taxes, payed national insurance for the 3 years that she lived, studied and worked here. She has contributed already to this country in a positive way, and will do so again one day, regardless of the fact I earn well short of the £18k. I live comfortably, with my only debt being for the loan I have taken out to pay for the wedding itself so that we didn't destroy our savings. I will have my soon to be Wife here with me. No one is going to stop me from my right to a family life. No one is going to force us to live apart.

[andy222]

Good luck to you.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[WhiteBloodAda]

Thanks, I got a feeling I may need that luck!

[mistermatty]

The qualifying period for spouse ILR is 24 months living in UK.
If she entered UK 5th September 2010 her 24 month qualifying period ends 5th September 2012.
She is actually allowed to apply 28 days before the 24 months anniversary so she can apply anytime after 8th August 2012.
Not long to go then :xxgrinning--00xx3:

But her 27 month period visa does not run out till dec 5 so i guess theres no reason why she cant apply say mid november ?

[Terpe]

But her 27 month period visa does not run out till dec 5 so i guess theres no reason why she cant apply say mid november ?

The earliest is 28 days before the end of her 24 month qualifying period in UK
The latest is visa expiry (not recommended)
Anytime between the two is OK as long as all requirements are met.

If it's possible then earlier is better than later in my opinion.

[songz777]

lots have been said about the government and the figure that was being thrown about, lucky for some the figure is just over £18000, and unlucky for those that do not earn that, the reason i am writing this is, what would you do if you dont earn this amount or if the figure was more, i can only speak for myself here, so i dont mean to offend anyone, if my emma was still in the phils i would work has hard as i could and yes we would be in contact each day or as many times as you can, skype, cheap phone calls, thank god for the internet, but no way would i ever think we would part, it would make my mind up to go over there as soon as i could, you could have a great month out there each year or two month it all depends on what you want in this life,

I think I would rather marry her and visit several times a year then say forget it the law stops me bringing her here, who knows if a higher paid job may come along. When your in love I think you cannot give up even if its seems impossible.