Bit by bit, Britain is closing its borders to immigrants

[joebloggs]

The independent Migration Advisory Committee came up with the earnings threshold when asked by the government to calculate the minimum needed to avoid recourse to public funds. But £18,600 is half again as much as someone would make working 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, at the minimum wage. According to the Migration Observatory at Oxford University, 47% of British citizens in employment would not qualify to bring in a family member, nor would 58% of people 20-30 years old, or 61% of women of any age.

http://www.economist.com/node/21556926

[Steve.r]

It is nothing more than a disgrace. :cwm23:

[gWaPito]

The independent Migration Advisory Committee came up with the earnings threshold when asked by the government to calculate the minimum needed to avoid recourse to public funds. But £18,600 is half again as much as someone would make working 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, at the minimum wage. According to the Migration Observatory at Oxford University, 47% of British citizens in employment would not qualify to bring in a family member, nor would 58% of people 20-30 years old, or 61% of women of any age.

http://www.economist.com/node/21556926

So, where would you draw the line then Joe
Much rubbishing..whats the answer?

[joebloggs]

a legal right to bring your partner to the UK, the same rights Europeans have to bring their partner to the UK. surely you should have the same rights as Europeans have in YOUR own country.

whats wrong with the way it is now ?

gWapito, tell me what benefits or public funds have those on spouse visa's been claiming? i wait your reply :rolleyes:

[stevewool]

save , save, save my friends and leave this place you was born, then start your new life with your love one

[gWaPito]

So, where would you draw the line then Joe
Much rubbishing..whats the answer?

How about raising the rate of tax, especially for the higher rate payers, they can afford it :NoNo:

[gWaPito]

a legal right to bring your partner to the UK, the same rights Europeans have to bring their partner to the UK. surely you should have the same rights as Europeans have in YOUR own country.

whats wrong with the way it is now ?

gWapito, tell me what benefits or public funds have those on spouse visa's been claiming? i wait your reply :rolleyes:
Funny you should mention that...apparently you can claim working tax credits along with child tax credits also child benefits..to name just 3

[joebloggs]

Funny you should mention that...apparently you can claim working tax credits along with child tax credits also child benefits..to name just 3

not unless you have ILR, of course your British partner can claim, but as i said before if your non European partner wasn't here you could still claim them :doh in fact you probably would get more for childcare :doh

if you're subject to 'immigration control' you can’t normally get tax credits. But special rules sometimes apply which mean you can still claim. For example, you might be able to claim if you’re from a country that has an agreement with the European Community (EC), like Turkey or Morocco
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/start/who-qualifies/new-arrivals-intro/immigration-control.htm

Although child benefit is defined as a prohibited public fund in the Immigration Rules, the Home Office IDIs state that, where a spouse is seeking entry to the UK, the settled partner may claim working families’ tax credit and child benefit to which they are entitled in respect of the spouse/partner and children without this acting to the detriment of the spouse seeking entry.
http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/rights-of-immigrants/persons-subject-to-domestic-immigration-controls/no-recourse-to-public-funds.shtml

dont believe the Tory hype :rolleyes:

[gWaPito]

not unless you have ILR, of course your British partner can claim, but as i said before if your non European partner wasn't here you could still claim them :doh in fact you probably would get more for childcare :doh

if you're subject to 'immigration control' you can’t normally get tax credits. But special rules sometimes apply which mean you can still claim. For example, you might be able to claim if you’re from a country that has an agreement with the European Community (EC), like Turkey or Morocco
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/start/who-qualifies/new-arrivals-intro/immigration-control.htm

Although child benefit is defined as a prohibited public fund in the Immigration Rules, the Home Office IDIs state that, where a spouse is seeking entry to the UK, the settled partner may claim working families’ tax credit and child benefit to which they are entitled in respect of the spouse/partner and children without this acting to the detriment of the spouse seeking entry.
http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/rights-of-immigrants/persons-subject-to-domestic-immigration-controls/no-recourse-to-public-funds.shtml

dont believe the Tory hype :rolleyes:

I dont Joe...they're all a bunch of crooks....i'll be voting green party from hence forth.

Btw you've answered you own question...thats where the savings are going to be made ..on those same said benefits.

[lastlid]

I dont Joe...they're all a bunch of crooks....i'll be voting green party from hence forth

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

I dont Joe...there all a bunch of crooks....ill be voting green party from hence forth.

Btw you've answered you own question...thats where the savings are going to be made ..on those same said benefits.

but the British partner can claim them so no money is saved, whether the spouse is here or not, as long as the kids are in the UK,

and i'm voting for the Monster Raving Loony Party :xxgrinning--00xx3: now they do make sense :rolleyes:

from their election manifesto

8. Immigration and Population: I propose that we cap the population of this country. We have too many people for such a small country, so we will Cap the number of people residing here at present rates (approximately 63 million, give or take 10 mill ) on the basis of one out, one in (excluding Births).

Regarding Immigration… Any Person who can prove that they or their descendants emigrated to the U.K before 55 A.D can stay. All the others will be repatriated to their original country. (Well we have to draw the line somewhere)

http://www.loonyparty.com/loony-archive/2010-general-election-manifesto/

[gWaPito]

but the British partner can claim them so no money is saved, whether the spouse is here or not, as long as the kids are in the UK,

and i'm voting for the Monster Raving Loony Party :xxgrinning--00xx3: now they do make sense :rolleyes:

from their election manifesto

8. Immigration and Population: I propose that we cap the population of this country. We have too many people for such a small country, so we will Cap the number of people residing here at present rates (approximately 63 million, give or take 10 mill ) on the basis of one out, one in (excluding Births).

Regarding Immigration… Any Person who can prove that they or their descendants emigrated to the U.K before 55 A.D can stay. All the others will be repatriated to their original country. (Well we have to draw the line somewhere)

http://www.loonyparty.com/loony-archive/2010-general-election-manifesto/
Surely the British partner being here alone wont be able to claim as much as if he had his non european wife and kids with him.....anyway..we shall see what we shall see:NoNo:

[Steve.r]

It's easy to dismiss the threshold when you already have your wife and children here in the Uk

[gWaPito]

It's easy to dismiss the threshold when you already have your wife and children here in the Uk
Yes, guilty as charged...I'd be upset as well. Especially when all is not being treated the same.

[joebloggs]

Surely the British partner being here alone wont be able to claim as much as if he had his non european wife and kids with him.....anyway..we shall see what we shall see:NoNo:

well I think unless your partner has ILR your not allowed to claim 'more of a benefit',
well if your a single parent in the UK and the kids are with you, you've only one income, depends on your wage of course, but could claim child benefit, tax creds and childcare element, also your wife could be working in the phils, this will not effect what you can claim in the UK,

[joebloggs]

It's easy to dismiss the threshold when you already have your wife and children here in the Uk

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

what we should be concentrating on is how unfair it is, when Europeans living in the UK, this doesn't effect them one bit, yet it should be them who faces these restrictions, why should an Eastern European or from another country come to the UK with their kids and after a few months claim benefits, and that's ok :angry:

I dont mind if someone marries a non European and claims benefits, as a British citizen he should have that right, but i dont think Europeans should have the same rights as a Brit.

[jonnijon]

save , save, save my friends and leave this place you was born, then start your new life with your love one

Couldnt agree more

[lastlid]

Bit by Bit. Brit by Brit....:D

[Moy]

britinanica:omg::icon_lol:

[gWaPito]

The independent Migration Advisory Committee came up with the earnings threshold when asked by the government to calculate the minimum needed to avoid recourse to public funds. But £18,600 is half again as much as someone would make working 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, at the minimum wage. According to the Migration Observatory at Oxford University, 47% of British citizens in employment would not qualify to bring in a family member, nor would 58% of people 20-30 years old, or 61% of women of any age.

http://www.economist.com/node/21556926
Unless of course you are, for example from the Ukraine, unable to speak a word of English and have a wife and kids from Outer Mongolia...you'll get in the uk no problem.

Take the Falkland Island......... Cammeron has given those islanders the right to vote on there sovereignty...yet we have no say at all on ours..we, .the electorate who put this moron in charge

[joebloggs]

Take the Falkland Island......... Cammeron has given those islanders the right to vote on there sovereignty...yet we have no say at all on ours..we, .the electorate who put this moron in charge

:icon_lol:
'I don't recall' - David Cameron and his foggy memory at the Leveson Inquiry

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9331190/I-dont-recall-David-Cameron-and-his-foggy-memory-at-the-Leveson-Inquiry.html

:NoNo: disgusting he should be ashamed and he's our PM :NoNo:

[gWaPito]

:icon_lol:
'I don't recall' - David Cameron and his foggy memory at the Leveson Inquiry

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9331190/I-dont-recall-David-Cameron-and-his-foggy-memory-at-the-Leveson-Inquiry.html

:NoNo: disgusting he should be ashamed and he's our PM :NoNo:
He's the captain of the ship. The buck stops with him

[andy222]

Dont worry guys there will be ways round it.

[andy222]

:icon_lol:
'I don't recall' - David Cameron and his foggy memory at the Leveson Inquiry

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9331190/I-dont-recall-David-Cameron-and-his-foggy-memory-at-the-Leveson-Inquiry.html

:NoNo: disgusting he should be ashamed and he's our PM :NoNo:

They all have skeletons in their closets Joe. And they say the phils is corrupt.:rolleyes:

[stevewool]

dont think this will change if another party gets in, once its in will take years to get rid, prepare now your future plans

[andy222]

Depends how the asians react to it. It could be a nice little vote catcher.

[Arthur Little]

It is nothing more than a disgrace. :cwm23:

:icon_sorry:, Steve ... I think you mean nothing LESS than a disgrace. :Erm:

[andy222]

At the end of the day its discrimination. I think lawyers will have a field day.

[joebloggs]

http://www.ukpolitical.info/General_election_polls.htm
labour 5% ahead, the Tories have :censored: many people off, police, doctors, people like us :rolleyes: etc 3yrs time they will pay the price unless they can turn the economy around

[Steve.r]

:icon_sorry:, Steve ... I think you mean nothing LESS than a disgrace. :Erm:

ok...total disgrace :xxgrinning--00xx3: