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Terpe
11th July 2012, 14:00
This guide was created on 10th July 2012 and is based upon the recently announced UKBA Changes to the family migration Immigration Rules come into effect on 9 July 2012 (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/257359/soi-fam-mig.pdf)

The first change you'll notice is that UKBA now use the term "Partner" to generally include an applicant’s fiancé(e), proposed civil partner, spouse, civil partner, unmarried partner or same sex partner.

For the purposes of this specific guide the applicants partner means, spouse, civil partner, unmarried partner or same sex partner.
An unmarried or same sex partner is a person who has been living with the applicant in a relationship akin to a marriage or civil partnership for at least 2 years prior to the date of application.

Another important change is that UKBA now state although decisions on the application will generally be made without interview there may be some cases where the applicant could be invited for either a personal interview, or telephone interview.
Indeed, the first question on the Personal Details form actually asks "If we do need to interview you, what language would you like to use in the interview"

Making application for a visa to allow your partner to join you in the UK is always going to be an emotional and stressful time. But this is also the time that needs careful planning and attention to details to ensure full compliance with all requirements and to only allow the ECO one decision....visa approval.

The aim of this guide is to help all those applicants who will apply for a settlement Visa from outside of the UK.

The UKBA page specifically for partners of a British citizen or of a person who is settled in UK can be found here (https://www.gov.uk/join-family-in-uk)
It's well worth taking time to review this page and to check out the links provided.

A successful visa application will result in being granted a UK visa for 33 months.
Shortly before the end of that period, application can be made to stay for a further 30 months provided all requirements continue to be met.
After completion of 5 years in the UK, as the partner of someone who is a British citizen or settled in the UK, then application for settlement can be made. This is known as Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR).
Look here at The Settlement page (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/partners-families/citizens-settled/spouse-cp/settlement) if you want more information about ILR.

The holder of a UK Partner Visa is allowed to work and to have access to the NHS, but is not allowed to receive any public funds until ILR is granted.

The UKBA advises all applicants to read their application Guidance Notes (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/applicationforms/visas/vaf2-8b-guidance.pdf)
together with their Supporting Documents Guidance (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/out-of-country/sup-docs-settlement.pdf)


The key issues in the eligibility of a UK Partner/Spouse settlement Visa are:-

Can we apply?

In order to apply you must show that:-

- you and your partner are both aged 18 or over at the date of application

- your partner is not related to you in a way that means you could not marry in UK law

- you and your partner have met in person

- your relationship with your partner is genuine and subsisting (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/partners-families/citizens-settled/spouse-cp/can-you-apply/genuine)

- if you are married or in a civil partnership, your marriage or civil partnership is valid in UK law

- you meet the suitability requirements (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/partners-families/citizens-settled/spouse-cp/can-you-apply/suitability/)

- any previous relationship has permanently broken down (this does not apply to certain polygamous relationships)

- you and your partner intend to live together permanently in the UK

- you meet the financial requirements (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/partners-families/citizens-settled/spouse-cp/can-you-apply/financial/)

- you meet the English language requirement (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/partners-families/citizens-settled/spouse-cp/can-you-apply/english-language/)

and

- if you are in the UK and want to extend your leave or apply for settlement in the UK you will need to meet the suitability requirement.


How do we apply?

See the UKBA webpage Applying from outside the UK (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/partners-families/citizens-settled/spouse-cp/apply-outside-uk/)

Review the information and then follow the links to Applying for a UK visa in the Philippines (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/countries/philippines/applying/?langname=UK English)
Please do take time to read this page as there is a lot of key information on how to apply, how to book an appointment and importantly how to pay the fee.

You must prepare and submit the following:-

- 2 recent passport photographs and your passport - see the Photographs and passport page (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/partners-families/citizens-settled/spouse-cp/documents/photo-passport/)

- evidence of your age and your partner's age

- your marriage or civil partnership certificate

- evidence that you were both free to marry or enter your civil partnership, if either of you was previously married or in a civil partnership
Evidence would include Death Certificate of the deceased spouse/civil partner, evidence of divorce (eg divorce Decree Absolute), Annulment or Dissolution Certificate.

- evidence that you have met
The most recent Tribunals have endorsed the view that states that 'to have met' meant something more than a mutual sighting. They also felt that a mere coming face-to-face followed by telephone or written contact would be insufficient to satisfy the rule, as would a family background together with such a face-to-face meeting.
In their view the essential test of whether the rule had been satisfied was whether the couple had had a face-to-face meeting which in itself had resulted in the making of mutual acquaintance.
Photo's of you both together as a couple, photo's of the wedding, e-mails, Chat logs and Text messages showing that you had met and married.

- evidence of your English language ability - see the English language page (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/partners-families/citizens-settled/spouse-cp/documents/english-language/)

- evidence that you can can maintain yourselves and any dependants adequately without needing public funds.

There is a clear financial requirement that must be met.
If you have children that are not British citizens or settled in the UK that you want to live with you in the UK, you will need to meet a higher financial requirement.

The financial requirement can be met through:-

- The income from employment or self employment of your sponsor.(There is also scope for the applicant’s partner, if they have been working overseas, to count the income from a confirmed job offer in the UK).

- Certain income from sources other than employment, such as rent from property etc

- state (UK or foreign) or private pensions

- maternity allowances or bereavement benefits received in the UK
or
- cash savings over a certain level (the amount of savings that you need to have will depend the level of other income that you and your sponsor have . If you are applying to enter the UK, you will need to have a higher level of savings than if you are applying to extend your stay).


How much income do I need to have?

You must have an income of at least £18,600

If you are sponsoring a child as well as a partner you will need an income of at least ]£22,400

For each additional child being sponsored you will need an additional income of £2,400
For example, if you are you are bringing 2 children with you to the United Kingdom, you must have and income of £22,400 and £2,400 for the additional child, so a total of £24,800.

Promises of support from a third party cannot be counted towards the financial requirement.

You will be required to provide documents to show that you can meet the financial requirement.

In all cases employment and income must be lawful, and all cash savings must be lawfully derived. The source of cash savings must be declared. Any legal source, including a family member or other third party will be permitted provided that confirmation is submitted proving the money is under the complete control of the applicant and/or partner. The money cannot be borrowed.

By its very nature this guidance is generic. It may not apply to any given set of conditions, for any specific employment/income scanarios not covered in this guide please ask for details via a new thread within the forum.
Principally, however the following original (not a copy) documents must be submitted:-

- For employment-related earnings, bank statements covering the period(s) of employment relied upon must be provided.
- For non-employment income, only those bank statements which show the income being relied upon need to be provided.

In respect of salaried employment:-

- P60 (if issued) and pay slips for the 6-month period prior to the application, or as appropriate, for the 12-month period prior to the application.

- Letter from the employer confirming the person’s employment and annual salary, the length of their employment (and the period over which they have been or were paid the level of salary relied upon in the application), and the type of employment (permanent, fixed-term contract or agency).

- A signed contract of employment.

- Bank statements corresponding to the same period as the wage slips, showing that the salary has been paid into the person’s account.

In respect of self-employment (partnership, sole trader, franchise)

- The amount of tax payable for the last financial year; the amount of tax paid for the last financial year; and the amount of any unpaid tax for the last financial year.

- Latest annual self-assessment tax return to HMRC and Statement of Account (SA300 or SA302). If necessary, the same for the previous financial year if the latest return does not show the necessary level of income, but the average of the last 2 financial years does.

- Proof of registration with HMRC as self-employed. Proof of registration must be original or certified copy of documentation issued by HMRC only.

- Each partner’s Unique Tax Reference Number (UTR) and/or the UTR of the partnership or business.

- Where the person holds or held a separate business bank account(s), monthly bank statements for the same 12-month period as the tax return(s).

- Monthly personal bank statements for the same 12-month period as the tax return(s). These statements must show that the income from self-employment has been paid into the person’s account.

- Evidence of ongoing self-employment: for self-employed persons, evidence of payment of Class 2 National Insurance contributions. For Directors, Current Appointment Reports from Companies House.

Additionally One of the following documents must also be submitted:

- Organisation’s latest annual audited accounts with the name of the accountant clearly shown. The accountant must be a member of an accredited accounting body (CIMA, CIPFA, ACCA, ACA, etc).

- Certificate of VAT registration and latest VAT return confirming VAT registration number if turnover in excess of £73,000.

- Evidence to show appropriate planning permission or local planning authority consent is held to operate the type/class of business at the trading address (where this is a local authority requirement).

- Franchise agreement signed by both parties. This is a mandatory document for any organisation that is a franchise.

In respect of self-employment (limited company based in the UK)

- Evidence of registration with the Registrar of Companies at Companies House.

- Latest Notice to file a Company Tax Return – CT603 and Company Tax Return – CT600. Both parts must be supplied.

- Organisation’s latest audited annual accounts with the name of the accountant clearly shown. The accountant must be a member of an accredited accounting body (CIMA, CIPFA, ACCA, ACA, etc).

- Monthly corporate/business bank statements covering the same 12-month period as the tax return(s).

- Monthly personal bank statements covering the same 12-month period as the tax return(s). These statements must show that the income from self-employment has been paid into the person’s account.

- Evidence of ongoing self-employment: for self-employed persons, evidence of payment of Class 2 National Insurance contributions. For Directors, Current Appointment Reports from Companies House.

Additionally One of the following documents must also be submitted:

- Certificate of VAT registration and latest VAT return confirming VAT registration number if turnover in excess of £73,000.

- Proof of ownership or lease of business premises.

- Proof of registration with HMRC as an employer for the purposes of PAYE and National Insurance. Proof of PAYE Reference Number and Accounts Office

- Reference Number. Evidence of registration must be original or certified copy of documentation issued by HMRC only.

- Proof of registration with the London Stock Exchange or with an international stock exchange approved by the Financial Services Authority in the UK. This is a mandatory document for a company registered on the London Stock Exchange or an FSA-approved international stock exchange.


In respect of non-employment income (Property rental income)

- Evidence confirming that the applicant’s partner owns the property for which the rental income is received, e.g. title deeds of the property (if held), mortgage statement.

- All bank statements required to show the income relied upon was paid into an account in the name of the applicant’s partner, the applicant or both jointly in the 12-month period prior to the application.

- Rental agreement, e.g. tenancy agreement, contract.

In respect of non-employment income (Dividends or other income from investments, stocks and shares, bonds or trust funds)

- Certificate showing proof of ownership and amount of investment.

- Portfolio report (for a financial institution regulated by the Financial Services Authority in the UK).

- All bank statements required to show the income relied upon was paid into an account in the name of the applicant’s partner, the applicant or both jointly in the 12-month period prior to the application.

- Profits from the sale of investments can contribute to cash savings and will not be treated as income from investments.

In respect of non-employment income (Interest from savings)

- Bank statements showing the amount of the savings held by the applicant’s partner interest has been paid into an account in the name of the applicant’s partner, the applicant or both jointly in the 12-month period prior to the application.

In respect of non-employment income (Maintenance payments)

- Evidence of maintenance agreement, e.g. court order, voluntary agreement, Child Support Agency documentation.

- All bank statements required to show the income relied upon was paid into the applicant’s account in the 12-month period prior to the application.

In respect of State (UK or foreign) or private pension

- Official documentation from HMRC (in respect of the Basic State Pension and the Additional or Second State Pension), an overseas pension authority, and/or a pension company confirming pension entitlement and amount.

- At least one bank statement showing payment of the pension into an account in the name of the applicant’s partner, the applicant or both jointly.

In respect of one or more of UK Maternity Allowance, Bereavement Allowance, Bereavement Payment and Widowed Parent’s Allowance

- Department for Work and Pensions documentation confirming the applicant’s partner (or, where they have paid sufficient National Insurance contributions, the applicant) is or was in receipt of the benefit.

- All bank statements required to show the income relied upon was paid into an account in the name of the applicant’s partner, the applicant or both jointly in the 12-month period prior to the application.

In respect of cash savings

- All bank statements required to show the cash savings have been held in an account in the name of the applicant’s partner, the applicant or both jointly for at least the 6-month period prior to the application.

Note that the onus is on the applicant to demonstrate that the financial requirement is met in their case.
Where they have not done so on the basis of the information and documentation they have submitted, the application for the 5-year family route to settlement will be refused.
Caseworkers will not generally be expected to make further enquiries or request further information in an effort to establish whether the financial requirement is met.


Exemptions

You will be exempt from the new financial requirement if your sponsor receives a specified disability-related benefit or carer's allowance in the UK.
You will need to show that your sponsor can maintain and accommodate you without access to public funds. In principle (and only as a rough guide) this will use Income Support Rate and disposable as guide to adequate financial status.
However, no reliance on promises of third party support will be permitted.

Where the applicant’s partner is in receipt of Carer’s Allowance or any of the following disability-related benefits in the UK, the applicant is exempt from the new financial requirement in respect of that application stage:

- Disability Living Allowance.

- Severe Disablement Allowance.

- Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit.

- Attendance Allowance.

The applicant will need to submit evidence of the exemption by provision of:-

- Official documentation from HMRC confirming the applicant’s partner’s entitlement and the amount received.

- At least one bank statement showing payment of the benefit or allowance into an account in the name of the applicant’s partner.

The new financial requirement will apply at the next application stage if the applicant does not remain exempt from it.



- Evidence of your accomodation

Accommodation - General Requirements

The Rules require that there must be adequate accommodation for a partner and any dependants.
The ECO will be looking for evidence that the accommodation complies with the following requirements:-

- It is (or will be) owned or legally occupied for the exclusive use of the couple.
- It is capable of accommodating the couple, and any children, without overcrowding as defined in the Housing Act 1985.
- The ECO should be satisfied that housing the couple in rented accommodation will not be in breach of any tenancy agreement as regards sub-letting.
- That no additional public funds will be necessary for accommodating the applicant in cases where the sponsor lives in accommodation from public funds.

Accommodation Overcrowding
There are statutory definitions of overcrowding in residential housing contained in the Housing Act 1985.
A house is considered to be overcrowded if 2 persons aged 10 years or more of opposite sexes, who are not living together as husband and wife, must sleep in the same room.
The Housing Act also details the maximum number of people allowed for a given number of rooms.

Number
of
Rooms................Permitted number of persons

1.......................................2
2.......................................3
3.......................................5
4.......................................7.5
5.......................................10

Each additional room in excess of 5 = An additional 2 people
A child under one does not count as a person.
A child aged 1-10 years counts as only half a person.

Accommodation (Home Owners)
If the sponsor owns the accommodation, then the applicant should include a certified copy of the deed showing this, or some other proof of ownership.
If the sponsor has a mortgage, the appropriate entry from the Land Registry should be provided,(this is available online for a fee), or a letter from the building society. The mortgage payments should appear in the bank statements.

Accommodation (Rented)
If the sponsor rents a flat or house, a copy of the tenancy agreement should be provided.
If the applicant is not a signatory to the tenancy agreement, then an additional statement from the landlord (or estate agent) should be provided confirming both the size of the property and agreement that an additional occupant may take up residence there.
If an existing tenancy agreement is to be used, it should have at least six months before expiry. If the tenancy agreement does not have at least six months before expiry, then an additional statement from the landlord/agent showing intent to renew at the same terms should be provided.

If the accommodation is owned by a local authority or council estate, a landlord's confirmation should also be obtained, but if this cannot be obtained a report from an independent surveyor which confirms the size and suitability of the premises can be submitted instead.

Accommodation (Shared with others)
If the sponsor and the applicant are to live in accommodation with multiple occupants (Such Family/Friends/etc), the information shown for "rented" should be provided. Additionally, the applicant and sponsor need to show that they have exclusive access to a bedroom that will be occupied solely by them.
A bedroom may be a family room or study which has been converted for exclusive access (kitchens, bathrooms, and utility rooms do not qualify). Account is taken only of rooms with a floor area larger than 50 square feet(4.65 square meters).


FAQ's

- What identification is needed from my sponsor?
The sponsor's identification usually takes the form of the sponsor's passport. If the passport itself cannot be presented, then a certified copy of the portrait page should be made.

- Should my sponsor send a supporting cover letter?
Although not strictly necessary, yes, have your sponsor write a good letter to the Embassy supporting your application.
Outline how and where you met, how long you have been together, how you have maintained contact, important events and meetings between yourselves, and plans you have made for living in the UK (specifically, why you are opting to live in the UK).
Keep it as simple as possible and above all be honest about everything, if there are any remaining complicated or unusual circumstances about your application it should be thoroughly explained here.

- How long will it take to process my application?
Look at the UKBA webpage for Visa processing times (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/general-info/processing-times/) Just scroll down to the drop down menu and enter Philippines

- Can my partner come to the UK on a tourist visit visa and then apply for a settlement visa when in UK?
To be successful in obtaining a tourist visit visa the applicant must show that they intend to leave the UK at the end of their visit. Basically the applicant needs to demonstrate that they do not wish to become an immigrant. This is a difficult task, particularly when the applicant has a romantic relationship in UK. In many cases it is not the intention of the applicant as they want to stay in the UK with their partner.
If the applicant cannot very clearly demonstrate that they intend to leave the UK, the visa will be refused and you and your partner would have wasted time and money submitting an application.
Additionally, the ECO may well suspect that the spouse is attempting to frustrate the immigration rules and evade payment of a settlement visa.

- How much will it cost?
All the UKBA fees for applications made outside of the UK can be found on the Fees for visa applications (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/general-info/fees/#resultTableAnchor) page. Just scroll down to the drop down menu and enter settlement
The table showing all the fees can be found on the Fees for our services (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/aboutus/fees) page. Just scroll down to the specific item and follow the link

- My partner has been refused a visa before, can they re-apply?
Having been previously refused a visa does not prevent you from making any further applications unless you have incurred a ban for UK entry. Each application is reviewed on its own merits and on the supporting evidence supplied

- What happens if the application is refused?
If your application is refused, you will have a full right of appeal. When the UKBA refuse your application they will also give you a letter fully detailing why the application has been refused and explaining how to appeal.

- What if we have not met face-to-face for a long time?
If the applicant and sponsor have been separated for a lengthy period of time before the application is submitted (i.e., longer than 3 or 4 months), then evidence of 'intervening devotion' should be included. This would normally take the form of phone records or other forms of communication.
When submitting email, chats, IM logs, it is important to keep in mind that intervening devotion means "evidence of contact" and not a complete transcript of each and every chat. Examples are enough.

- If my partner is in receipt of public funds. Can I still apply for a settlement visa?
There is no objection to the British citizen / settled sponsor receiving any public funds to which he / she is entitled in his / her own right.

If the sponsor is in receipt of specified disability-related benefit or carer's allowance public funds, they may be exempt from the new financial requirement. See above under Financial Requirements "Exemptions"

- Can I 'switch' to a Spouse Visa if I am already in the UK?
You may be allowed to switch into the category of partner if you are currently in the UK in a different immigration category.

You will not be allowed to switch if you are in the UK:-

- as a visitor

- with permission to stay that was given for a period of less than 6 months (unless that leave was as a fiancé(e) or proposed civil partner)

- on temporary admission

- in breach of the Immigration Rules (a period of overstaying of less than 28 days will not be taken into account).

- Do I need a health check, medical certificate or Tuberculosis X-Ray when I arrive in the UK
The UKBA state that "Anyone aged over 11 resident in certain countries applying for a visa to come to the UK for longer than 6 months need to get a certificate confirming that they are free from infectious Tuberculosis (TB) before applying for a visa. Currently the Philippines is not on the country listing requiring this.
However please see see this UKBA News Update (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/newsarticles/2012/may/42-tb-test) and check the UKBA website for further updates as the Philippines will be added at some point soon.

Finally, when you have been issued with a UK visa you may want to take a look at the Information for visa holders page (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/general-info/visa-holders)

Here you will find useful guidance on:-

- what the information on your visa means, and how to check that the information is correct

- what to do if your visa contains an error, if your journey to the UK is delayed, or if your reason for going to the UK changes

- what your visa entitles you to do

- which items you can bring to the UK

- what will happen when you arrive at the UK border

- what to do if your passport and visa are lost or stolen, or your passport expires.

Good luck to all

lastlid
11th July 2012, 14:05
WOW :xxgrinning--00xx3:

imagine
11th July 2012, 14:20
great work Terpe :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Steve.r
11th July 2012, 14:25
Thanks Peter, great post. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

CBM
11th July 2012, 14:35
Thanks, Peter; excellent.

Terpe
11th July 2012, 14:48
It's quite a long post.

If anyone finds any errors, dead or wrong links etc please let me know so they can be corrected.

It's important to get this as good as we all can.

Arthur Little
11th July 2012, 16:01
great work Terpe :xxgrinning--00xx3:


Thanks Peter, great *post. :xxgrinning--00xx3:


Thanks, Peter; excellent.

:iagree: ... absolutely *FIRST CLASS! ('scuse pun).

Dedworth
11th July 2012, 16:20
:appl: What a huge effort you've put into this Terpe I'm sure many, many people will find the information invaluable.

Have a well deserved rest tonight and sink a couple of those bargain Heinekens :D

Terpe
11th July 2012, 16:28
...Have a well deserved rest tonight and sink a couple of those bargain Heinekens :D

Thanks Dedworth :xxgrinning--00xx3:
These new rules look like they can become be quite complex. I suspect that the ECO's and their caseworkers will have their work cut out in marginal or non-standard cases.

BTW, amazingly Asda still has that Heineken "rollback" on promo.
Got another 10 last night. :icon_lol:

Dedworth
11th July 2012, 16:37
BTW, amazingly Asda still has that Heineken "rollback" on promo.
Got another 10 last night. :icon_lol:

I got a measly 6 at the weekend, I think I'm passing close to an Asda tomorrow ...............:)

songz777
11th July 2012, 17:08
wwo indeed a lot to read but THANK YOU!!

songz777
11th July 2012, 18:16
Quote & question:
== A successful visa application will result in being granted a UK visa for 33 months.
Shortly before the end of that period, application can be made to stay for a further 30 months provided all requirements continue to be met.
After completion of 5 years in the UK ...==

Question?
So waht if you had visa granted been married now 33 months have two children and then you lose job or you have a less paid job?

Does this mean that UKBorders will say sorry bye bye send your wife & 2 kids back home you failed?

Any thoughts?

rusty
11th July 2012, 18:35
Not sure what the requirements are for the new visa for the further stay, but perviously the ILR requirements are more about are you still together rather than the salary. Also when you are ready to apply both yourself and your partner's (if working) salaries will be taken into consideration,

To be honest I would worry about the requirements you need now rather than what may happen in 33 months time. From what I understand you are not applying till next year, a lot could change by then, let alone a couple of years from now. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

andy222
11th July 2012, 18:51
Thanks terpe great effort. :xxgrinning--00xx3:
Can you simplify it a bit for us thickos? :laugher::laugher::laugher:

bigmarco
11th July 2012, 18:54
First class Terpe. Very thorough and should be a great help to many people.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

raynaputi
11th July 2012, 18:57
It's now a sticky thread. :xxgrinning--00xx3: Thanks Terpe! :heartshape1:

stevie c
11th July 2012, 19:00
Excellent thread peter first class :xxgrinning--00xx3:

songz777
11th July 2012, 19:03
Not sure what the requirements are for the new visa for the further stay, but perviously the ILR requirements are more about are you still together rather than the salary. Also when you are ready to apply both yourself and your partner's (if working) salaries will be taken into consideration,

To be honest I would worry about the requirements you need now rather than what may happen in 33 months time. From what I understand you are not applying till next year, a lot could change by then, let alone a couple of years from now. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Thanks Rusty I think I am inclined to agree with your statement == more inclined .. are you still together as a couple == Thanks :)

Terpe
11th July 2012, 21:35
Quote & question:
== A successful visa application will result in being granted a UK visa for 33 months.
Shortly before the end of that period, application can be made to stay for a further 30 months provided all requirements continue to be met.
After completion of 5 years in the UK ...==

Question?
So waht if you had visa granted been married now 33 months have two children and then you lose job or you have a less paid job?

Does this mean that UKBorders will say sorry bye bye send your wife & 2 kids back home you failed?

Any thoughts?

Firstly we need to understand that the relevant minimum income level will apply at every application stage:-
- entry clearance
- leave to remain/further leave to remain
- indefinite leave to remain (settlement).

Where children are also sponsored, the relevant higher level will apply until the migrant partner qualifies for settlement (ILR), even if the child turns 18 before then.

The financial requirement will not apply to a child who is a British citizen.

Terpe
11th July 2012, 21:38
Firstly, imo, it will not be so easy to implement any instant deportations.

Solely as a hyperthetical question at this stage.

If the applicant for FLR or even ILR fails the financial requirement, in principle they would be granted further leave on the 10 year route if they qualify for it on Article 8 grounds.
If they applied within 28 days of the expiry of their existing leave, their time on the five year route will count towards the 10 year route.
If an applicant for FLR or ILR had overstayed by more than 28 days, they will have broken their continuous leave and their time on that route will not count towards the 10 year route if they qualify for it.

I think at this time it's too early and too complex to enter into all the arguements and legal processes beyond that. A lot of water still to pass under that bridge.

John, does that help in some way?

tokage
12th July 2012, 14:32
Brilliant post, thanks.

I earn under the 18,600 required but luckily my boss has offered me overtime to boost me up to over 18,600. Will this be ok even though overtime isnt considered a guarenteed income?
Im sure I read overtime is fine somehwere in this forum but I cant find it again.

Doc Alan
12th July 2012, 17:46
Thank you Terpe and congratulations on a comprehensive account :xxgrinning--00xx3:

songz777
12th July 2012, 18:05
Firstly we need to understand that the relevant minimum income level will apply at every application stage:-
- entry clearance
- leave to remain/further leave to remain
- indefinite leave to remain (settlement).

Where children are also sponsored, the relevant higher level will apply until the migrant partner qualifies for settlement (ILR), even if the child turns 18 before then.

The financial requirement will not apply to a child who is a British citizen.

Thankyou Terpe :) that's good to know - at least our children will be UK citizens even though my wife won't be for 5 years :)

Simba
22nd July 2012, 13:22
very useful...thanks for the post!:xxgrinning--00xx3:

lastlid
22nd July 2012, 15:25
Thanks Dedworth :xxgrinning--00xx3:
These new rules look like they can become be quite complex. I suspect that the ECO's and their caseworkers will have their work cut out in marginal or non-standard cases.


More opportunity for mistakes I imagine? :yikes:

cheekee
23rd July 2012, 23:45
Superb post.

Very helpful.

I feel positive that this might well be possible.

Thanks

CAT
24th July 2012, 03:24
THANKS alot:Jump: Very :Help1:ful indeed :xxgrinning--00xx3:

karenkeith
9th August 2012, 15:58
frustrating

WhiteBloodAda
13th August 2012, 16:39
Terpe, you are a legend!

Still alot to think about and work out where to begin! Better get sorted though as it's not long to go. Heart is pounding just thinking about it

Stevi
24th August 2012, 19:25
Real WOW,,,,,,,,,!
Great guy

louismc44
9th September 2012, 12:19
:iagree: ... absolutely *FIRST CLASS! ('scuse pun).

Hi Arthur I need to know a check list about what documents I should bring wiht me on my next visit to the Phils in order that Olive and I will be married and for us to apply for a visa in order that she may come back with me to the UK?
Please can you help?
Regards...
Louis

louismc44
9th September 2012, 20:47
I posted this earlier in another part of this site...

Hi all
I just got back on Friday 7th September, after 3 fantastic weeks in the Philippines with Olivia and myself
Boy Ain't it half hot over there too.
Thank God for air-condition rooms.
I will go back there again very soon as i plan to marry Olivia when I am next over there. I need some help with filling in these forms in order for Olivia to come to the UK to live with me. I have all my papers for our marriage in order. but I need help with the visa forms, Is there any reliable trust worthy way we can get help with this?
Thank you in advance..Louis

Terpe
9th September 2012, 21:02
I posted this earlier in another part of this site...

Hi all
I just got back on Friday 7th September, after 3 fantastic weeks in the Philippines with Olivia and myself
Boy Ain't it half hot over there too.
Thank God for air-condition rooms.
I will go back there again very soon as i plan to marry Olivia when I am next over there. I need some help with filling in these forms in order for Olivia to come to the UK to live with me. I have all my papers for our marriage in order. but I need help with the visa forms, Is there any reliable trust worthy way we can get help with this?
Thank you in advance..Louis

I have replied to your previous thread Louis.
Please try to avoid duplicated postings. It's much better to keep the threads and subsequent posts together. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

blessed_ekim0826
19th September 2012, 17:17
WoW!

Big help to us. Thank you Peter...

blessed_ekim0826
19th September 2012, 17:20
Its a big help specially to me that I still checking out to this forum for applying proposed civil partner or civil partner. Dont know whats easier. Could you help me pls.
http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/39705-Tourist-Visa-worries

Thank You

Terpe
19th September 2012, 17:28
Its a big help specially to me that I still checking out to this forum for applying proposed civil partner or civil partner. Dont know whats easier. Could you help me pls.
http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/39705-Tourist-Visa-worries

Thank You

All I can say is that based upon the experience of members here, it has recently become more problematic when applying for fiance(e) or proposed civil partner.
This is simple down to the difficulty in providing the convincing evidence that there is a clear intention to either get married or to have a civil partnership.
These days the UKBA ECO's appear to want more tangible evidence than was previously required.

blessed_ekim0826
2nd October 2012, 03:42
Hi Sir Terpe,

Just confused about proposed civil partner and civil partnership? Whats the difference? Pls. answer. Thank You...:)

Terpe
2nd October 2012, 08:55
Hi Sir Terpe,

Just confused about proposed civil partner and civil partnership? Whats the difference? Pls. answer. Thank You...:)

A Civil Partnership is a legal relationship for same-sex couples. Very similar to marriage.

Civil Partners have legally completed the procedure and signed all documents needed to create the formation of a civil partnership.

Proposed Civil Partners are similar to Fiance(e).
They have an intention to complete the formation of a civil partnership at some time in the future but have not yet done so.

blessed_ekim0826
2nd October 2012, 15:47
A Civil Partnership is a legal relationship for same-sex couples. Very similar to marriage.

Civil Partners have legally completed the procedure and signed all documents needed to create the formation of a civil partnership.

Proposed Civil Partners are similar to Fiance(e).
They have an intention to complete the formation of a civil partnership at some time in the future but have not yet done so.

Thanks very much for making it clear Sir Terpe.:)

rhaichard
2nd October 2012, 17:03
Firstly, imo, it will not be so easy to implement any instant deportations.

Solely as a hyperthetical question at this stage.

If the applicant for FLR or even ILR fails the financial requirement, in principle they would be granted further leave on the 10 year route if they qualify for it on Article 8 grounds.
If they applied within 28 days of the expiry of their existing leave, their time on the five year route will count towards the 10 year route.
If an applicant for FLR or ILR had overstayed by more than 28 days, they will have broken their continuous leave and their time on that route will not count towards the 10 year route if they qualify for it.

I think at this time it's too early and too complex to enter into all the arguements and legal processes beyond that. A lot of water still to pass under that bridge.

John, does that help in some way?

is that mean that u need to apply for extended of your ILR 28 days before your visa expires to complete the 5years route ??

Terpe
2nd October 2012, 23:40
is that mean that u need to apply for extended of your ILR 28 days before your visa expires to complete the 5years route ??

Sorry, I don't really understand your question. There is no extension of ILR
Perhaps you misunderstood something.
Are you under 'new rules' or 'old rules'?

When it's your time to apply for ILR, then currently the earliest time you are allowed to apply is 28 days before the end of your qualifying period and the latest time is the expiry of the currently held visa.

Does that help you with your understanding?

rhaichard
3rd October 2012, 06:47
Sorry, I don't really understand your question. There is no extension of ILR
Perhaps you misunderstood something.
Are you under 'new rules' or 'old rules'?

When it's your time to apply for ILR, then currently the earliest time you are allowed to apply is 28 days before the end of your qualifying period and the latest time is the expiry of the currently held visa.

Does that help you with your understanding?

im under the new rules ...

blessed_ekim0826
11th November 2012, 07:11
All I can say is that based upon the experience of members here, it has recently become more problematic when applying for fiance(e) or proposed civil partner.
This is simple down to the difficulty in providing the convincing evidence that there is a clear intention to either get married or to have a civil partnership.
These days the UKBA ECO's appear to want more tangible evidence than was previously required.

What are those tangible evidence we should provide?

joebloggs
11th November 2012, 10:04
What are those tangible evidence we should provide?

SET1.18 What evidence is required of marriage arrangements?

The ECO needs to be satisfied that it is intended that a marriage in the UK will take place.

The law relating to marriage in England and Wales does not allow for any arrangements to be made with a Registrar until the foreign national has arrived in the UK. Of itself, a booking at a Register Office or church is not proof that a marriage will take place.

The ECO can reasonably expect the couple to have made some tentative plans for the wedding. Any evidence that may be available that wedding arrangements are in hand may help in this respect.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/policyandlaw/guidance/ecg/set/set1/#header18

very helpful :doh , but evidence you have contacted the church or registry office and enquired about possible dates (a letter from them saying that you had made provisional arrangements), pictures of her dress, receipt from purchasing your wedding rings, etc...

blessed_ekim0826
11th November 2012, 10:57
SET1.18 What evidence is required of marriage arrangements?

The ECO needs to be satisfied that it is intended that a marriage in the UK will take place.

The law relating to marriage in England and Wales does not allow for any arrangements to be made with a Registrar until the foreign national has arrived in the UK. Of itself, a booking at a Register Office or church is not proof that a marriage will take place.

The ECO can reasonably expect the couple to have made some tentative plans for the wedding. Any evidence that may be available that wedding arrangements are in hand may help in this respect.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/policyandlaw/guidance/ecg/set/set1/#header18

very helpful :doh , but evidence you have contacted the church or registry office and enquired about possible dates (a letter from them saying that you had made provisional arrangements), pictures of her dress, receipt from purchasing your wedding rings, etc...

Thanks so much.

joebloggs
11th November 2012, 11:08
Thanks so much.

even a quote for a wedding cake, i remember someone on here the ECO actually tired to or did contact the cakeshop,

no easy answer to this, they dont state what evidence they want, but its one of the main reasons they use for refusal of a fiancee visa.

melovesengland
11th November 2012, 13:21
Me and my husband is now on our 4th year of knowing each other, so what we have done on the docus thats states we intend to marry here in the UK was:

we provided email from the registry office about our queries.

Another one was the quote for the wedding reception from Hotels, castles and restaurants,

I made a contemporary wedding invite with a random date of our wedding to be.

qoute of the whole enoturage for the wedding


BUT, I am not saying that providing all of this can GUARANTEE that your visa will be approved.

Do not forget that visas are catered by its own case and merits.

It is down to you on how you can convinced the ECO to approve your application in the end.

jlags90
11th November 2012, 16:28
BUT, I am not saying that providing all of this can GUARANTEE that your visa will be approved.

Do not forget that visas are catered by its own case and merits.

It is down to you on how you can convinced the ECO to approve your application in the end.

Definitely catered by its own case and merits. In my case, we didn't really provide tangible materials that would prove our intention to marry. I didn't even have engagement ring prior to arrival in UK, no hotel reservation for the wedding, no invitation card, no proposed wedding date, not even a letter from future in-laws. My husband just mentioned in his letter to the ECO that he intends to marry me once the visa is granted... BUT, we provided ample evidence to prove that our relationship is genuine.

joebloggs
11th November 2012, 18:32
Definitely catered by its own case and merits. In my case, we didn't really provide tangible materials that would prove our intention to marry. I didn't even have engagement ring prior to arrival in UK, no hotel reservation for the wedding, no invitation card, no proposed wedding date, not even a letter from future in-laws. My husband just mentioned in his letter to the ECO that he intends to marry me once the visa is granted... BUT, we provided ample evidence to prove that our relationship is genuine.

the ECO could have used something similar as this as one reason to refuse you.. thou probably only if they had another reason to refuse you..

Paragraph 290 (i) requires that the applicant is seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom for marriage or civil partnership to a person present and settled in the United Kingdom or who is on the same occasion being admitted for settlement and paragraph 290 (iii) requires that each of the parties intends to live permanently with the other as his or her spouse or civil partner after the marriage or civil partnership. In support of this application, you have provided no information regarding your proposed wedding. I note that you have failed to demonstrate you have made an enquiries, plans or arrangements for your forthcoming marriage. Nor have you indicated the date you intend to marry. In view of this, I an not satisfied that you will marry within a reasonable time of your proposed entry to the UK. I have carefully considered the circumstances surrounding your application. I have taken into account the limited contact you have had with your fiance up to this point, the relatively short time frame you have known each other the lack of evidence surrounding the relationship and the lack of preparation and research for the proposed wedding. In view of these considerations, I am not satisfied that you met the requirements of paragraph 290 (i) and 290 (ii) of the Immigration rules.

jlags90
16th November 2012, 21:26
the ECO could have used something similar as this as one reason to refuse you.. thou probably only if they had another reason to refuse you..

Paragraph 290 (i) requires that the applicant is seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom for marriage or civil partnership to a person present and settled in the United Kingdom or who is on the same occasion being admitted for settlement and paragraph 290 (iii) requires that each of the parties intends to live permanently with the other as his or her spouse or civil partner after the marriage or civil partnership. In support of this application, you have provided no information regarding your proposed wedding. I note that you have failed to demonstrate you have made an enquiries, plans or arrangements for your forthcoming marriage. Nor have you indicated the date you intend to marry. In view of this, I an not satisfied that you will marry within a reasonable time of your proposed entry to the UK. I have carefully considered the circumstances surrounding your application. I have taken into account the limited contact you have had with your fiance up to this point, the relatively short time frame you have known each other the lack of evidence surrounding the relationship and the lack of preparation and research for the proposed wedding. In view of these considerations, I am not satisfied that you met the requirements of paragraph 290 (i) and 290 (ii) of the Immigration rules.


I was granted a visa seven days after lodging my application despite the lack of evidence of wedding preparations. That's why I said it is indeed based on individual merits. :biggrin:

phil5000
17th November 2012, 13:32
This seems like a high wage nearly 500gbp a week is there anyway around this??

Mrs.Smith
20th December 2012, 21:49
Hi Terpe,

This is a good post. I would like to clarify this.I have question regarding FLR based on this new rule.
My visa validity will start January 13, 2013 and end on October 13, 2015. Im planning to fly in the UK February 22, 2013, because I'm currently working and needs 1 month notice in the office.
With this when should I apply the FLR, how many months before the 33 months expire. Thanks.

Terpe
20th December 2012, 22:28
Hi Terpe,

This is a good post. I would like to clarify this.I have question regarding FLR based on this new rule.
My visa validity will start January 13, 2013 and end on October 13, 2015. Im planning to fly in the UK February 22, 2013, because I'm currently working and needs 1 month notice in the office.
With this when should I apply the FLR, how many months before the 33 months expire. Thanks.

Mrs Smith,
I have to admit I'm a little confused about your question.

Here what is stated in the guide here about what happens when you are granted a spouse visa:-

......this will result in being granted a UK visa valid for 33 months.
Shortly before the end of that period, application can be made to stay for a further 30 months provided all requirements continue to be met.
After completion of 5 years in the UK, as the partner of someone who is a British citizen or settled in the UK, then application for settlement can be made. This is known as Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR).
Look here at The Settlement page (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/partners-families/citizens-settled/spouse-cp/settlement) if you want more information about ILR.

The holder of a UK Partner Visa is allowed to work and to have access to the NHS, but is not allowed to receive any public funds until ILR is granted.

That initial 33 months visa at UK entry is designed to allow for up to 3 months additional time.
The very important thing is to make sure you arrive into UK with 30 months visa validity remaining, otherwise you may find you cannot make the 60 months to ILR and will be forced to pay again for yet another FLR just to cover the shortfall.

Hope that helps you. If not just fire away.No problem

Mrs.Smith
21st December 2012, 08:23
Mrs Smith,
I have to admit I'm a little confused about your question.

Here what is stated in the guide here about what happens when you are granted a spouse visa:-


That initial 33 months visa at UK entry is designed to allow for up to 3 months additional time.
The very important thing is to make sure you arrive into UK with 30 months visa validity remaining, otherwise you may find you cannot make the 60 months to ILR and will be forced to pay again for yet another FLR just to cover the shortfall.

Hope that helps you. If not just fire away.No problem


Thank you for immediate reply.
Sorry for the confusion.

Let me rephrase my question. When should I apply for another 30 months, is it 2 months before or 1 month before the initial 33 months visa expire?

Terpe
21st December 2012, 10:44
Thank you for immediate reply.
Sorry for the confusion.

Let me rephrase my question. When should I apply for another 30 months, is it 2 months before or 1 month before the initial 33 months visa expire?

You may apply 28 days before the end of your 30 month qualifying period of living in UK

Mrs.Smith
28th December 2012, 22:20
Hi Terpe,

At what point you can apply for British Citizenship, based on UKBA site, to apply for british naturalization you should have been resident of UK for 3 years

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/eligibility/naturalisation/spouseorcivilpartnerofcitizen/


This is how I understand it.

2.5 years spouse visa
2.5 years further to remain
after 5 years you can apply for ILR
after 3 years you can apply for British Naturalization

Please give me insights.

andy222
29th March 2013, 18:09
Any updates on this folks? I think things have changed by now.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Terpe
30th March 2013, 11:25
Any updates on this folks? I think things have changed by now.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Updates on what Andy?
What changes are you thinking about?

andy222
30th March 2013, 11:29
Surley things have changed from the original post Terpe It would just make it easier for the new ones like myself to follow. Maybe it is better to wait until after April when the new changes come in.:xxgrinning--00xx3:.

Terpe
30th March 2013, 11:37
Surley things have changed from the original post Terpe It would just make it easier for the new ones like myself to follow. Maybe it is better to wait until after April when the new changes come in.:xxgrinning--00xx3:.

Well I haven't been through the original first post with a fine tooth comb, but can't see anything that's changed. That's why I asked?

If anything changes the principle Immigration Rules and visa requirements then of course I'll update.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

andy222
30th March 2013, 11:42
Thanks Terpe your a star.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

alexa
18th May 2013, 06:05
hello

Bailey boo
20th May 2013, 15:19
Hi guys,
Quick question. I'm already 5 years in the Uk but I got my ILR 3 years ago and I'm not married or anything, can I apply for naturalisation now? I've looked online but I'm a bit confuse when they say 5 years of residency does that mean the day I got my ILR or the day I came in the UK? Please help don't want to submit my app then it will not be accepted and loose my money. Thanks kabayan

sars_notd_virus
20th May 2013, 15:47
Hi guys,
Quick question. I'm already 5 years in the Uk but I got my ILR 3 years ago and I'm not married or anything, can I apply for naturalisation now?

how did you get in the UK? what is your visa before you had the ILR?

Bailey boo
20th May 2013, 15:54
I did apply my first visa when I was in Dubai and receive a two year visa which was a spouse visa but I'm not married.

Terpe
20th May 2013, 22:31
I did apply my first visa when I was in Dubai and receive a two year visa which was a spouse visa but I'm not married.

So who signed your ILR declaration that the marriage is continuing and that you're still living together?

You should extremely cautious with any further visa applications.

shie
23rd August 2013, 05:04
Helloo terpe :Hellooo:me plan to apply spouse visa next month but my hubby is no job yet and any properties he leaving to his parent he only have 69,000saving to his bank it is more than 6months old now do you think do you think it will be granted in uk embassy? thanks

Terpe
23rd August 2013, 07:26
Helloo terpe :Hellooo:me plan to apply spouse visa next month but my hubby is no job yet and any properties he leaving to his parent he only have 69,000saving to his bank it is more than 6months old now do you think do you think it will be granted in uk embassy? thanks

Hi shie,
Based on the information you posted the Financial Requirement part of the application would be met.
You need to be sure all other sections are also compliant.

There's plenty of information available here in the forum. Just make a quick search then ask any questions .

Good luck

kats_27
11th November 2013, 14:11
In the part, CAN WE APPLY?...you and your partner intend to live together permanently in the UK...
Unfortunately, me and my partner happen to both work in Saudi Arabia where we met, and we cant meet this criterion...Any advice, please

kats_27
11th November 2013, 14:13
How did you get that?

Terpe
11th November 2013, 17:11
In the part, CAN WE APPLY?...you and your partner intend to live together permanently in the UK...
Unfortunately, me and my partner happen to both work in Saudi Arabia where we met, and we cant meet this criterion...Any advice, please

If you cannot comply with UKBA immigration requirements then unfortunately any application you make will fall for refusal.
My advice is to not make any application until such time that you can be fully compliant with all requirements.

andy222
11th November 2013, 20:54
If you cannot comply with UKBA immigration requirements then unfortunately any application you make will fall for refusal.
My advice is to not make any application until such time that you can be fully compliant with all requirements.
Sound advice Peter.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

kats_27
13th November 2013, 14:47
My husband to be is a British and I am a Filipina and we have been in relationship for two years and a bit, we both have good jobs in Saudi Arabia and will be on doing so due to our working lives in the next five years plus, then we may decide to go to UK to live and so, would be automatically granted a spousal visa as the first step in ultimately for British citizenship. Does this mean I mean I would have to wait for up to five years in the UK before perhaps being granted citizenship? My husband has a high savings in the UK and I believe this should help me being allowed to get a spousal visa.

Terpe
13th November 2013, 15:34
My husband to be is a British and I am a Filipina and we have been in relationship for two years and a bit, we both have good jobs in Saudi Arabia and will be on doing so due to our working lives in the next five years plus, then we may decide to go to UK to live and so, would be automatically granted a spousal visa as the first step in ultimately for British citizenship. Does this mean I mean I would have to wait for up to five years in the UK before perhaps being granted citizenship? My husband has a high savings in the UK and I believe this should help me being allowed to get a spousal visa.

Unfortunately kats, securing a UK Spouse Visa is never "automatic".
Regardless of how long you've been in a relationship you and your husband will be required to comply fully with all UKBA requirements.

In principle, there is a requirement for employment within UK and also salary of £18600 per year for a couple along with other evidence that you are both living together in UK
And yes, it will require that you renew your visa after 30 months for further leave to remain until you may apply for Indefinite leave to remain after another 30 months.
Thereafter you may be eligible for British Citizenship application.

Of course many changes of immigration law can happen during the time before you decide to settle here in UK so it's not possible to predict what regulations will need to be complied with.

BTW, savings are of no interest to UKBA unles they are above £16,000.
Even then it's only savings above the £16,000 that may be used in the event of any shortfall in earnings.

Reviewing the threads and postings here togther with the website of UKBA will provide you with a basic understanding of the current immigration requirements for Spouse

kats_27
13th November 2013, 18:52
Thanks a lot

lloydegbrick
13th October 2014, 19:24
Hello Terpe
All New Guide - How to apply for a Spouse/Partner Visa

Awesome, what an incredible amount of information that you have posted on here

Regards