Junkie dies of Anthrax

[Dedworth]

A drug user has died after being infected with anthrax, health experts said.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2189707/Drug-user-dies-anthrax-infection-Blackpool-hospital.html#ixzz23o5rSVkO


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2189707/Drug-user-dies-anthrax-infection-Blackpool-hospital.html

[lastlid]

It isn't the heroin that kills em, its the additives and / or the lifestyle that goes with it.

There was a good program on the topic last night featuring your pal and West Ham fan Russel Brand....:D

[grahamw48]

Maybe more of this kind of thing would deter a few. :rolleyes:

[lastlid]

Maybe more of this kind of thing would deter a few. :rolleyes:

You would think so but it doesn't.

Actually the Russel Brand program last night was pretty good for conveying the difficulties in dealing with drug abuse.

[Dedworth]

your pal and West Ham fan Russel Brand....:D

Mention of him spoiled my afternoon Last :angry: I've always thought that a batch of doctored/cut heroin has the positive effect of reducing crime in a given area.

The Police round here reckon the bulk of crime is down to 20 or 30 drug dependant pondlife and they see significant crime reduction when they are jailed.
As expected the sentences are short and have no deterrent effect so the crime rate leaps upon their release. Further evidence that these slap on the wrist sentences don't work and we need to follow Singapores example and bring in the cane and noose.

[lastlid]

Mention of him spoiled my afternoon Last :angry: I've always thought that a batch of doctored/cut heroin has the positive effect of reducing crime in a given area.

The Police round here reckon the bulk of crime is down to 20 or 30 drug dependant pondlife and they see significant crime reduction when they are jailed.
As expected the sentences are short and have no deterrent effect so the crime rate leaps upon their release. Further evidence that these slap on the wrist sentences don't work and we need to follow Singapores example and bring in the cane and noose.

According to the police on last nights tv program and other police officers I have talked to, they don't agree with that.

Jailing doesn't solve the underlying problem. It is like sweeping trash under a carpet. The addicts are part of our society and can often be someone we know or someone who is related to someone we know.

What does work is money being spent on detoxification and psychiatric counselling. It sounds expensive but the alternative options are more expensive, as the police officer (I think he was the Chief of Police in his area) explained last night....

[lastlid]

Russell Brand's documentary on why addiction is not a crime

"Drug addiction should be treated as a potentially fatal illness and not a crime, comedian Russell Brand has told a parliamentary select committee."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2187345/Russell-Brand-Keeping-heroine-addicts-prescriptions-methadone-doesnt-work-long-term.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9223607/Drug-addiction-an-illness-not-a-crime-says-Russell-Brand.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-previews/russell-brand-from-addiction-to-recovery-preview-1262661

Actually, abstinence is a tall order for most of them, thats why detoxification works better. But he is correct about methadone.

[Dedworth]

But aren't all of these druggie crims given counselling and methadone or whatever it's called whilst they're in jail ?

As I've said it doesn't work because after a short sojourn inside they are stealing to finance their habits. Thrashing them to within an inch of their lives has to be worth a try

[lastlid]

But aren't all of these druggie crims given counselling and methadone or whatever it's called whilst they're in jail ?

As I've said it doesn't work because after a short sojourn inside they are stealing to finance their habits. Thrashing them to within an inch of their lives has to be worth a try

Well, that might work and enforced abstinence might work but it is inhumane...and where in jail would you put them. The jails are full.

On Methadone. It is worse than heroin. More addictive than heroin and harder to withdraw from. That was covered in the program.

Not all heroin addicts are bad people. Many aren't. Some get hooked as a result of naivety or as kids. Some can't cope with their circumstances and turn to it as a support mechanism, like an alcoholic might. Some are stupid and get hooked that way. It isn't as straight forward as it seems.

I knew someone who lost her baby to her boyfriend's brutality, lost both her parents and had other psychological issues. Unfortunately she turned to drugs as an "escape" mechanism. That could happen to anyone. Should she have been thrashed to within an inch of her life?

[grahamw48]

Dedworth, I agree with you.

They should at least be shipped off to the army and given some discipline and something constructive to do with their lives, instead of being released straight back into the scum community that is their support system.

MOST burglaries in this country are committed by junkies, so at least that would give the law-abiding citizens some relief.

I find Russell B reasonably funny as a comic, but becoming a role model and spokesman for smackheads is not the way to go.

[lastlid]

Dedworth, I agree with you.

They should at least be shipped off to the army and given some discipline and something constructive to do with their lives, instead of being released straight back into the scum community that is their support system.

MOST burglaries in this country are committed by junkies, so at least that would give the law-abiding citizens some relief.

I find Russell B reasonably funny as a comic, but becoming a role model and spokesman for smackheads is not the way to go.

That is true. But not all junkies are burglars.

PS I don't like Russel Brands sense of humour :D but I applaud him for what he is doing.

Actually, being a role model for smack heads is a good thing as he is showing them there is a way out of it. Same for the woman who used to front Big Brother (can't think of her name).

[lastlid]

For the record, I don't smoke, drink or take drugs and have never taken drugs in any form in my life.

And I think that heroin is an evil substance. It is the dealers that need locking up, but catching them is the problem. That is the big problem for the police.....and that requires more funding.

[Dedworth]

And I think that heroin is an evil substance. It is the dealers that need locking up, but catching them is the problem. That is the big problem for the police.....and that requires more funding.

Catching them doesn't seem to be the problem in this area limp wristed Judges giving out short sentences is. Here is a write up from the top cop in my area :-

It is frustrating when they come out of prison after a short sentence and quickly return to crime. However, my officers are motivated by catching crooks and serving decent people so rest assured, nothing will discourage us. Last year, we were seeing seven or eight car crimes a day. This year it’s three or four. We will work tirelessly to keep cutting crime.

I realise that not all druggies are crims but the ones who are cause misery to law abiding people and cost the taxpayer a fortune in police, courts, jail, therapy etc. Not an ounce of sympathy should be expended upon these lowlife who prey on society, savage good hidings would have the desired effect. To deal with the problem at source we should introduce the death penalty for dealers or anyone caught in possession of above x amount should swing as in Sing and Malaysia.

[bigmarco]

I agree that dealers get off far to lightly. No sympathy for those scum who get caught abroad and end up with the death penalty. They pedal misery so let them swing.
I agree with helping addicts but there comes a time when if they dont respond to help then they have to be removed from society. Three strikes and your out would get my support.

[lastlid]

Well catching them is a big problem in other areas. They cant catch them. They catch some. I have talked at length to officers about it. The problem is too big.

If you have a look at yesterdays program then you will see that the Chief Superintendent for Brighton doesnt share his colleagues opinion. Thats him in the linked report below.

"Brighton and Hove’s most senior police officer is due to appear in a TV programme about drugs this evening (Thursday 16 August).


http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2012/08/16/russell-brand-asks-brighton-police-chief-about-drugs/16796

[Dedworth]

The problem is Last that the Pinko Do Gooders methods have been used for years and it is obvious with the massive levels of drug related crime that they simply do not work.

It is time for a radical change and the cane and rope are the perfect deterrent and punishment. Within 6 months we'd see a huge reduction of crime after a load of severe thrashings and 4 or 5 stringing up's had been dished out.

[lastlid]

The problem is Last that the Pinko Do Gooders methods have been used for years and it is obvious with the massive levels of drug related crime that they simply do not work.

It is time for a radical change and the cane and rope are the perfect deterrent and punishment. Within 6 months we'd see a huge reduction of crime after a load of severe thrashings and 4 or 5 stringing up's had been dished out.

Thats the point. In this case, the so called pinko do gooders methods have not been used.

I agree that its a problem, exascerbated by not enough police, not enough prison space and not enough detox clinics and not enough money, but economically it is cheaper to to go down the treatment route. I dont agree with such draconian measures as you are in favour of. :D Firm hand yes, but barbarism no. I sincerely hope that if you ever have a close relative that was unlucky enough or even stupid enough to get hooked, you wouldnt reach for the rope or the birch or the bullet. As it can happen to anyone - it doesnt stop at class boundaries.

By the way, Methadone is also an opiate. It is really just a heroin substitute. So dishing it out in prisons doesnt help. In fact dishing it out doesnt help at all. It is actually more dangerous than heroin as it rots the marrow.

[lastlid]

To deal with the problem at source we should introduce the death penalty for dealers or anyone caught in possession of above x amount should swing as in Sing and Malaysia.

Dont they shoot you for chewing gum in Singapore...:icon_lol: