P1keys pitch up at Marlborough College

[Dedworth]

Travellers invade playing fields of £30,000-per-year Marlborough College where Kate Middleton played hockey





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Vermin :cwm23:

[grahamw48]

Hoho.

That'll go down like a lead balloon. :icon_lol:

[gWaPito]

Hey!...that's only a few miles for where I live :yikes:

[grahamw48]

There is an 'official' travellers' camp at the end of my road.

Keeps the flies out of my house anyway. :rolleyes:

[Iani]

In a way, this is not a bad thing.

What I mean is, the only way something "might" ever be done about this sort of thing, is if it affects those in power, the "elite" and not just us peasants who should know our place, who are denounced as "bar room politics" if we dare complain about things like crime and give our suggestions.

Just as you can be damned sure the NHS would suddenly be top class if everyone was forced to use it, and just as the bog standard comprehensive would be history within days if private education was banned..................then the only way anything would ever be done would be if a problem ended up on THEIR back yard.

I suggest some Romanian squatters in the dorm at Eton, a huge asylum seeker hostel in Henley Upon Thames and some chavs drinking white lightening hanging around Downing Street at 2am every night

[grahamw48]

Very true. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

The wealthy are able to insulate themselves from such unpleasant realities.

[Dedworth]

In a way, this is not a bad thing.

What I mean is, the only way something "might" ever be done about this sort of thing, is if it affects those in power, the "elite" and not just us peasants who should know our place, who are denounced as "bar room politics" if we dare complain about things like crime and give our suggestions.

Just as you can be damned sure the NHS would suddenly be top class if everyone was forced to use it, and just as the bog standard comprehensive would be history within days if private education was banned..................then the only way anything would ever be done would be if a problem ended up on THEIR back yard.

I suggest some Romanian squatters in the dorm at Eton, a huge asylum seeker hostel in Henley Upon Thames and some chavs drinking white lightening hanging around Downing Street at 2am every night

Interesting thought Iani - I remember the Pikey Filth being at Eton College some years ago

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2016075.stm

The one area in this neck of the woods where they never, ever go is Crown Estate land - I wonder why:NEW4:

[andy222]

I am very happy about this I would even point them in the direction of leafy suburbs. Like someone has said if they do this the government might do something about it.:xxgrinning--00xx3: And I hope the illegals and europeans go with them.

[lastlid]

In a way, this is not a bad thing.

What I mean is, the only way something "might" ever be done about this sort of thing, is if it affects those in power, the "elite" and not just us peasants who should know our place, who are denounced as "bar room politics" if we dare complain about things like crime and give our suggestions.

Just as you can be damned sure the NHS would suddenly be top class if everyone was forced to use it, and just as the bog standard comprehensive would be history within days if private education was banned..................then the only way anything would ever be done would be if a problem ended up on THEIR back yard.

I suggest some Romanian squatters in the dorm at Eton, a huge asylum seeker hostel in Henley Upon Thames and some chavs drinking white lightening hanging around Downing Street at 2am every night

In the manner of privately funded health and education, we could have both a top class education system and a top class NHS but we aren't prepared to pay more in taxes to fund it. Are we?

Who is willing to pay more in tax to fund the improvements?

Oh. And by the way, I thought that the Comprehensive system was supposed to be the answer to our education issues?

[andy222]

Its easy lastlid. CONSERVATIVES = PRIVATISATION.

[bigmarco]

In the manner of privately funded health and education, we could have both a top class education system and a top class NHS but we aren't prepared to pay more in taxes to fund it. Are we?

Who is willing to pay more in tax to fund the improvements?

Oh. And by the way, I thought that the Comprehensive system was supposed to be the answer to our education issues?

Don't know about you Lastlid but since this lot came to power I am paying more Tax. I now find myself in the 40% bracket which wouldn't be so bad if it was being spent on worthwhile things like the NHS and caring for the elderly. Instead I'm paying for the mistakes of Bankers and financial mismanagement by half the governments of the EU as well as the upkeep of tens of thousands of freeloaders who turn up on our doorstep from these very same countries :cwm23:

[lastlid]

Don't know about you Lastlid but since this lot came to power I am paying more Tax. I now find myself in the 40% bracket which wouldn't be so bad if it was being spent on worthwhile things like the NHS and caring for the elderly. Instead I'm paying for the mistakes of Bankers and financial mismanagement by half the governments of the EU as well as the upkeep of tens of thousands of freeloaders who turn up on our doorstep from these very same countries :cwm23:

Fortunately for me I am paying less tax. I used to be in a situation a bit like yourself taxwise but pay less tax now I am in the Isle of Man.

I was just saying that any improvements would have to be funded by more money. I would hazard a guess that would mean more taxes. I have sampled both the NHS and the private sector and both state schooling and private schooling and in the case of the private version of both, had to pay significantly more money, one way or another. The money has to come from somwhere to raise the standards in state schools and hospitals ( not sure if this government has misspent - thats for another debate). It obviously predates the last two governments.

I dont really blame one government or another. My outlay has been over a long decade. I havent got a clue who was in power when my daughter went to a private school. Just looked it up (Major and Blair taking a quick look).

Personally I favour the old grammar school system. As a person that has spent a significant amount of time teaching during my career and put two kids through their education, the grammar system wins hands down. My son goes to the local grammar school. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

The comprehensive system was a disaster:NoNo:

Mixing bright with riff raff didn't work...much talent went down the drain...with mixed (abilities) marriages to boot. Very unsatisfactory :NoNo:

Nothing wrong with private education...in fact Mr Leahy is bringing back grammar schools ..lovely...:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

I agree !!!:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[lastlid]

The comprehensive system was a disaster:NoNo:

Mixing bright with riff raff didn't work...much talent went down the drain...with mixed (abilities) marriages to boot. Very unsatisfactory :NoNo:

Nothing wrong with private education...in fact Mr Leahy is bringing back grammar schools ..lovely...:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Politics aside. Yes the grammar system is still there in Trafford, Manchester. Never went away. Its a complete success.

[lastlid]

The comprehensive system was a disaster:NoNo:

Mixing bright with riff raff didn't work...much talent went down the drain...with mixed (abilities) marriages to boot. Very unsatisfactory :NoNo:

Nothing wrong with private education...in fact Mr Leahy is bringing back grammar schools ..lovely...:xxgrinning--00xx3:

The whole problem with the Comprehensive system is the mixed ability teaching requirement that suits nobody in the class.

[bigmarco]

Have always been in favour of the Grammar school system. The comprehensive system will never work it simply holds the bright kids back.

[lastlid]

Have always been in favour of the Grammar school system. The comprehensive system will never work it simply holds the bright kids back.

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

And the slow kids get left behind. And those in the middle learn more slowly. Nobody wins. And the teacher is run ragged if they are trying their best to satisfy everyone.

[grahamw48]

I don't remember having to put up with gypsy kids and those with Autism in our Grammar School either...certainly none with leg tags to disturb Latin lessons. :Erm:

[gWaPito]

Schooling now compared to our day Graham is worlds apart.

I wouldn't mind some years being given back but, I certainly wouldn't fancy having to go back to school under these conditions.

[gWaPito]

Politics aside. Yes the grammar system is still there in Trafford, Manchester. Never went away. Its a complete success.

There was me thinking to gain entry into a state funded grammar school, one had to pass the eleven plus and that ended in 71 ?

[gWaPito]

Don't know about you Lastlid but since this lot came to power I am paying more Tax. I now find myself in the 40% bracket which wouldn't be so bad if it was being spent on worthwhile things like the NHS and caring for the elderly. Instead I'm paying for the mistakes of Bankers and financial mismanagement by half the governments of the EU as well as the upkeep of tens of thousands of freeloaders who turn up on our doorstep from these very same countries :cwm23:

Welcome to the club (40%) :D...thanks to successive inept goverments, the club is getting bigger...it definitely focuses your mind on ways to avoid paying it...still many products out there to help you out :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

Tax. :Erm:

Must move house again. :)

[joebloggs]

Nothing wrong with private education...in fact Mr Leahy is bringing back grammar schools ..lovely...:xxgrinning--00xx3:

it's against the law for new gramma schools to open, thou i think what your talking about is a loop hole some schools are trying to use.

[lastlid]

There was me thinking to gain entry into a state funded grammar school, one had to pass the eleven plus and that ended in 71 ?

Wrong. Not in Trafford. The grammar system was never stopped. Not sure if it was down to a loophole or if so it was never closed. I seem to remember it was people power that kept them open. And there are some other places in the country where it is still retained.

Actually, the eleven plus was fazed out eventually in Trafford but there still is an entrance exam. It is still selective.

My daughter took the 11 plus in Trafford in the early 90's, passed it and got a place at the local grammar school but we decided to send her to a private school instead.

My son is at Stretford Grammar right now and there is Altrincham Grammar for Girls and Altrincham Grammar for Boys, Sale Grammar and Urmston Grammar (where Joe Bloggs used to live so I seem to recall him saying?). All state funded grammar schools. Many folk move to Tarfford for that reason or bus their kids in to fill up the empty seats not filled by the locals. Very popular schools.

See the attached list of state funded grammar schools.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grammar_schools_in_England

[lastlid]

Grammar school: Kent County Council backs expansion plan


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17534910

[joebloggs]

Urmston Grammar (where Joe Bloggs used to live evidently?). All state funded grammar schools. Many folk move to Tarfford for that reason or bus their kids in to fill up the empty seats not filled by the locals. Very popular schools.



I was born in Urmston, but never lived there, always on the other side of the canal :D

i think the presents laws state no new grammar schools can open, but some schools are getting around this by opening annexes.

[lastlid]

Many folk move to Tarfford for that reason or bus their kids in to fill up the empty seats not filled by the locals. Very popular schools.



A lot of Asian folk, from outside Trafford, have spotted this and ship them in from outside the borough and fill up any of the empty spaces (provided they pass the entrance exam of course).

Why are their empty places initially, you might ask? Because they stick to a rigid pass mark and don't just fill up regardless.

[lastlid]

I was born in Urmston, but never lived there, always on the other side of the canal :D

i think the presents laws state no new grammar schools can open, but some schools are getting around this by opening annexes.

Looks like they even have them in Liverpool....


Wirral
Calday Grange Grammar School, West Kirby (boys)
St Anselm's College, Birkenhead (boys)
Upton Hall School FCJ, Upton (girls)
West Kirby Grammar School, West Kirby (girls)
Wirral Grammar School for Boys, Bebington (boys)
Wirral Grammar School for Girls, Bebington (girls)

[andy222]

You do have private education in this country. I do agree with bringing back grammer schools and the 11+ as long as the grammer schools are free. What gwapito is talking about is one law for the rich and one for the poor which I totally disagree with, And why do we need to bring foreign students here? Why not bring our own through the system? It all boils down to money that is why this country is in a mess. Greed.

[lastlid]

You do have private education in this country. I do agree with bringing back grammer schools and the 11+ as long as the grammer schools are free. What gwapito is talking about is one law for the rich and one for the poor which I totally disagree with, And why do we need to bring foreign students here? Why not bring our own through the system? It all boils down to money that is why this country is in a mess. Greed.

This happens everywhere. Always has and quite possibly always will. It happens here, in the Philippines and even in communist countries.

[grahamw48]

I also think single sex Grammar schools are better.

You concentrate on your work and the girls don't leave school behaving like little tarts ! :NoNo:

[lastlid]

I also think single sex Grammar schools are better.

You concentrate on your work and the girls don't leave school behaving like little tarts ! :NoNo:

And statistically the girls getter better results that way, especially in what might be perceived as boys subjects like Maths and Sciences.

[lastlid]

There was me thinking to gain entry into a state funded grammar school, one had to pass the eleven plus and that ended in 71 ?



State funded Grammar Schools in Wiltshire...according to Wikipedia....

Wiltshire
Bishop Wordsworth's School, Salisbury (boys)
South Wilts Grammar School for Girls, Salisbury (girls)

Bishop Wordsworth's School, Salisbury (boys)

"Admissions

11 Plus Applications

11+ Procedure for Entry into Year 7 in September 2013

Phase One - June 2012 to 31st October 2012

http://www.bws.wilts.sch.uk/TheSchool/adms_11plusApps.html

[andy222]

This happens everywhere. Always has and quite possibly always will. It happens here, in the Philippines and even in communist countries.

This does happen everywhere but its this country we are talking about Lastlid. Your right it might always happen in this country until there is a uprising and thats the way it is heading.:xxgrinning--00xx3: In my opinion they should ban foreign students and bring our own through. The ones that live here. After all there is a fair few of them forget where they come from when their visas come to a end.

[gWaPito]

Thanks for that Lastlid....I was actually schooled in Oxfordshire....for what it was worth :icon_lol:

To bring out the best of our own you got to have the best setup...as said and agreed by numerous before on this thread...in hindsight, the grammar school selection process was the way to go....whether you lived in a sink council estate or a lovely cul de sac you were all treated the same.

Who said socialism is dead!...citizen Smith would be loving this...needless to say, he was educated up to the gunnels. One of Lastlid's ''im alright Jacks'' :)

[lastlid]

Thanks for that Lastlid....I was actually schooled in Oxfordshire....for what it was worth :icon_lol:

To bring out the best of our own you got to have the best setup...as said and agreed by numerous before on this thread...in hindsight, the grammar school selection process was the way to go....whether you lived in a sink council estate or a lovely cul de sac you were all treated the same.



I wasn't thinking of the past. I was thinking of now and the future. You seemed to be unaware that the system still exists, but it exists in your own back yard. Good for your kids eh? They will need to pass the entrance exam first though...

[lastlid]

Mixing bright with riff raff didn't work...

This is where the selective / grammar system falls down potentially....the stigma factor. "Bright with the riff raff" is a bit out of order really. In re establishing a grammar school system we need to be a little more caring about those that do not succeed in the entrance exams...

[gWaPito]

I wasn't thinking of the past. I was thinking of now and the future. You seemed to be unaware that the system still exists, but it exists in your own back yard. Good for your kids eh? They will need to pass the entrance exam first though...

I was unaware of it ..cheers...my first kids, now 31 and 29 wasn't given the option to go to grammar school...we as parents weren't told of it either...anyway, both went to a highly rated comprehensive, the outcome being both are doing very well in life..thank you very much:D

Now, thanks to Lastlid hopefully my latest editions can enjoy learning at an appropriate schooling environment, unlike the uphill struggling my first 2 children had..luckily they were made of stern stuff...unfortunately many aren't thus the failings of the comprehensive system.

[lastlid]

Here is a ( lengthy ) document on the advantages and disadvantages of both systems.

http://www.suttontrust.com/research/evidence-on-the-effects-of-selective-educational-systems/

[gWaPito]

You left your sense of humour under the bed again Lastlid....:NoNo:

[lastlid]

You left your sense of humour under the bed again Lastlid....:NoNo:

I can see the funny side of that earlier statement but others might not....

[lastlid]

...we as parents weren't told of it either...



We weren't told either. We did a lot of "research" on it at the time. No such thing as an internet forum in those days, though :icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

I was just glad I didn't have to go to school with thickos anymore...and people with plastic shoes.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/18/getmecoat8692890.gif

[gWaPito]

We weren't told either. We did a lot of "research" on it at the time. No such thing as an internet forum in those days, though :icon_lol:

Well bully for you Lastlid :rolleyes: I can assure you now grammar schooling was not available in our area...I may of been an absent parent on parent evenings but my wife wasn't.

Either way, they turnt out a credit to us..:)

[lastlid]

Well bully for you Lastlid :rolleyes: I can assure you now grammar schooling was not available in our area...I may of been an absent parent on parent evenings but my wife wasn't.

Either way, they turnt out a credit to us..:)

It wasnt available in ours either...:Erm:

[andy222]

http://www.immigrationmatters.co.uk/uk-universities-block-british-students-but-offer-courses-to-non-eu-candidates-for-20000-a-year-tuition-fees.html

[lastlid]

http://www.immigrationmatters.co.uk/uk-universities-block-british-students-but-offer-courses-to-non-eu-candidates-for-20000-a-year-tuition-fees.html

Rightly or wrongly this is a reason given for taking on the foreign students...

With international students paying market rates for their degree courses, usually £10,000 to £20,000 a year, they are critical to the financial health of many universities. One university vice-chancellor yesterday called for the immediate scrapping of student number controls.


In other words the foreign students keep the courses afloat.

I have just been working with a summer student at Leeds Uni and he says half his Engineering course intake are Arabs...they stump up the big spondoolies for the courses. Said a couple were from Libya but they had to disappear halfway through the course to go back and fight in the civil war. He is British by the way.

[andy222]

Money money money. How would you feel if your kid had passed their a levels and they couldnt get a place?:rolleyes:

[lastlid]

Money money money. How would you feel if your kid had passed their a levels and they couldnt get a place?:rolleyes:

I agree with you.

I was very lucky to get a place myself on poor A levels. And a full grant too! I came from a working class background and my parents had no money.

[andy222]

Thankyou Lastlid. Thats the point I was trying to make all along.:xxgrinning--00xx3: Its ok for people like gwapito bragging about his 40% tax rate what about the others on less incomes? British kids.

[gWaPito]

Thankyou Lastlid. Thats the point I was trying to make all along.:xxgrinning--00xx3: Its ok for people like gwapito bragging about his 40% tax rate what about the others on less incomes? British kids.

Hang on a minute...I wasn't bragging...bigmarco mentioning about being on it...all I said welcome to the ever growing club...hardly bragging, not in my book...:NoNo:

[andy222]

Ok appologies its just that it seems you dont care for the briitish kids of today. There are bright kids on council estates. So why not give them a chance? Ever growing club? What planet are you on?

[grahamw48]

My son has just passed 3 'A' levels and is going to Sweden in 2 weeks time to be trained and university-educated by a Swedish company. :)

(He'll be living with his mum).

I had offered to send him to a £15,000 a year private school from age 12, but he wanted to stay at the same school as his friends.

[andy222]

Good for him Graham. Had he got the choice of a university place here?

[grahamw48]

He had already made up his mind to study in Sweden because of the enormous debts that he'd have run up if he'd gone to uni here. Fine for those who went before him. :rolleyes:

I wish they'd leave the damned education system alone and stop screwing up kids' lives ! :angry:

Half the kids at my first grammar school in Pontefract were from council estates, and they did perfectly well.

The 11+ catered for ALL the bright ones of course....regardless of income. My family certainly wasn't well-off by any standards.

There was also a 'second chance' exam at secondary modern school...the 13+ for the 'late-developers'.

[andy222]

Wish him good luck from me and I agree 100% with your 2nd comment.

[lastlid]

He had already made up his mind to study in Sweden because of the enormous debts that he'd have run up if he'd gone to uni here. Fine for those who went before him. :rolleyes:

I wish they'd leave the damned education system alone and stop screwing up kids' lives ! :angry:

When I was in Aberdeen a few years back I had a few hundred graduates through my hands over a five year period, mostly from England. I also worked with a good few. They all had loans. As such they aren't quite as bad as they seem as they pay back only above a certain level of income and at a very low rate of interest. It isn't quite so bad as it might seem. If they are unemployed then they do not have to repay and the loan is deferred until they can. It sounds frightening but not quite so bad as it seems.


"The repayment of student loans is managed through the tax system (PAYE) and only begins after you’ve left university and are earning more than £15,000. You pay back 9% of all you earn above the £15,000 threshold. Someone earning £18,000 a year will have to pay 9% of £3,000 (£18,000 minus £15,000) - around £5.19 a week."

http://www.which.co.uk/money/bank-accounts/guides/going-to-university-guide/student-loans-and-finance/

I met many who paid theirs back within a few years.

[gWaPito]

Ok appologies its just that it seems you dont care for the briitish kids of today. There are bright kids on council estates. So why not give them a chance? Ever growing club? What planet are you on?

Did I not say it was wrong of the goverment of the day trid the country of state run grammar schools?....schools where bright British kids of every background could attend.

As for what planet im on....if only you knew..what ever I say you area gonna twist it...oh, I was married to someone like that before...Andy, didn't you say you was an engineer big money etc but you packed it up coz of the unsocial hours well, that's me..I wasn't prepared for my family to suffer...its all your choice...nobody elses

[grahamw48]

lastlid...

I'm talking about the NEW system....starting THIS year, not 5 years ago or whatever.

£9,000 a year ?

The country has the nerve to put its students into £20-30,000 worth of debt before they even get a job ?

I don't care that they don't start paying til they're on a certain salary. It is DEBT.

What message does that send to youngsters who live in a country that has just about bankrupted itself through governments and individuals living beyond their means ?

It is total nonsense when we are sending billions to :censored: other countries....AND providing our facilities and training to their students so that they can go home and steal our markets from us ! :cwm23:

[andy222]

I'm talking about the NEW system....starting THIS year, not 5 years ago or whatever.

£9,000 a year ?

The country has the nerve to put its students into £20-30,000 worth of debt before they even get a job ?

I don't care that they don't start paying til they're on a certain salary. It is DEBT.

What message does that send to youngsters who live in a country that has just about bankrupted itself through governments and individuals living beyond their means ?

It is total nonsense when we are sending billions to :censored: other countries....AND providing our facilities and training to their students so that they can go home and steal our markets from us ! :cwm23:

Exactly Graham and there is already over 1 million youth on the dole. This just increases that figure.

[grahamw48]

Do you know what really makes me mad ?

I have for the past several years made soooo many personal sacrifices and run my whole life so as to enable MY boy, a bright lad, to do well in his education...to pass his exams and to be a good hard-working and decent citizen of this country.

Now he feels the need to go elsewhere...to another country, to achieve his potential in life. :angry::NoNo:

[lastlid]

Do you know what really makes me mad ?

I have for the past several years made soooo many personal sacrifices and run my whole life so as to enable MY boy, a bright lad, to do well in his education...to pass his exams and to be a good hard-working and decent citizen of this country.

Now he feels the need to go elsewhere...to another country, to achieve his potential in life. :angry::NoNo:

Do you know, i was thinking just that very thing. I can understand now why you have had to scrimp and scrape. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[lastlid]

lastlid...

I'm talking about the NEW system....starting THIS year, not 5 years ago or whatever.

£9,000 a year ?

The country has the nerve to put its students into £20-30,000 worth of debt before they even get a job ?

I don't care that they don't start paying til they're on a certain salary. It is DEBT.

What message does that send to youngsters who live in a country that has just about bankrupted itself through governments and individuals living beyond their means ?

It is total nonsense when we are sending billions to :censored: other countries....AND providing our facilities and training to their students so that they can go home and steal our markets from us ! :cwm23:

You are correct. It is debt. I agree. But am just saying that it isnt quite as bad as it seems.

[lastlid]

Did I not say it was wrong of the goverment of the day trid the country of state run grammar schools?....schools where bright British kids of every background could attend.

As for what planet im on....if only you knew..what ever I say you area gonna twist it...oh, I was married to someone like that before...Andy, didn't you say you was an engineer big money etc but you packed it up coz of the unsocial hours well, that's me..I wasn't prepared for my family to suffer...its all your choice...nobody elses

There's a lot of engineers about?

[grahamw48]

I only have the one (of my own).

The difficult thing really is balancing 'spoiling' them and doing what you can to give them a good life.

[lastlid]

Trying to adopt a balanced perspective, it wasn't long ago that half the country was up in arms as students were getting into university for free and perceived to be spending 3 years on a jolly great p1ss up courtesy of the exchequer and were the source of anger for those on low pay. Now that students have to pay their way, people are also up in arms. Amazing.

[grahamw48]

Not really.

There are just too many courses on offer...many of which are totally useless IMO.

Tailor the courses to the needs of the country and our industries (such as they are :rolleyes:) rather than to the whims of fashion and the imagined need to give everyone and his dog a tertiary education, and raise entry standards.

[lastlid]

There are just too many courses on offer...many of which are totally useless IMO.

Taylor the course to the needs of the country and our industries (such as they are :rolleyes:) rather than to the whims of fashion and the perceived need to give everyone and his dog a tertiary education.

I agree with all of that. What is your son studying?

Some people would say "but what about my kids, they want to do a degree too and they have an A level?"...what do we as a country say to those people?

[grahamw48]

He is going to train to be an Environmental Engineer in the renewables/re-cycling field...from what I can gather. :)

[lastlid]

He is going to train to be an Environmental Engineer in the renewables/re-cycling field...from what I can gather. :)

Great. :xxgrinning--00xx3: Might need a few of them in Phils too soon....:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Growth industry. And the Scandinavians are big on that stuff.

[grahamw48]

Yes indeed, and that's why I gave him my full support. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

I also think single sex Grammar schools are better.

You concentrate on your work and the girls don't leave school behaving like little tarts ! :NoNo:

On a lighter note....which is mostly my intention anyway :NoNo:....ok, hands up, sometimes I misjudge the mood of some :NoNo:...heartfelt apologies.

Graham's post reminded me of Mick Jagger...all male school and that....I had to view there song on youtube '' sympathy for the devil Altamont 69''.....also '' gimme shelter pop goes the 60's'' apparently the 2 Micks (Mick Taylor, 2nd bass) were loves at the times. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

We weren't ALL that way ! :cwm24: :action-smiley-081:

[gWaPito]

There's a lot of engineers about?

Im no engineer...but, I work for a demanding company that requires me to work unsocial hours.....im not complaining here...I've cut my cloth and getting on with it.

That's my planet :rolleyes:

[gWaPito]

You are correct. It is debt. I agree. But am just saying that it isnt quite as bad as it seems.

Alright for you rich folk:NoNo:

[gWaPito]

We weren't ALL that way ! :cwm24: :action-smiley-081:

Frankie ''up pompeii'' Howard once said, dont knock it until you try it:Rasp:

[grahamw48]

Noooooo thankyooo ! :NoNo:

[lastlid]

Alright for you rich folk:NoNo:

5.19 per week? On an £18000 salary. Thats the whole point. On average, graduates earn approximately 55% more in their lifetime so can afford to pay the money back....

From Which...

"The repayment of student loans is managed through the tax system (PAYE) and only begins after you’ve left university and are earning more than £15,000. You pay back 9% of all you earn above the £15,000 threshold. Someone earning £18,000 a year will have to pay 9% of £3,000 (£18,000 minus £15,000) - around £5.19 a week."

Affordable for a young 22 yo graduate in work earning £18000 pa. Think of it as a sort of extra "tax" and it doesn't seem so painful.

BTW the said graduates weren't yet in your 40% tax bracket though, when they paid the loan off.

[andy222]

Im no engineer...but, I work for a demanding company that requires me to work unsocial hours.....im not complaining here...I've cut my cloth and getting on with it.

That's my planet :rolleyes:

Im alright JACK springs to mind.

[grahamw48]

Come on guys...let's not fall out over it. :)

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[gWaPito]

5.19 per week? On an £18000 salary. Thats the whole point. On average, graduates earn approximately 55% more in their lifetime so can afford to pay the money back....

From Which...

"The repayment of student loans is managed through the tax system (PAYE) and only begins after you’ve left university and are earning more than £15,000. You pay back 9% of all you earn above the £15,000 threshold. Someone earning £18,000 a year will have to pay 9% of £3,000 (£18,000 minus £15,000) - around £5.19 a week."

Affordable for a young 22 yo graduate in work earning £18000 pa. Think of it as a sort of extra "tax" and it doesn't seem so painful.

BTW the said graduates weren't yet in your 40% tax bracket though, when they paid the loan off.
Its not my tax bracket Lastlid....I'd still rather be earning the same as and still paying 28%...this bracket was extended and imposed on many hard working folk throughout the land.....and I'll thank you lastlid to stop stirring :NoNo:

'' i'm alright Jack''....really, you been reading too much of lastlid...you replied anyway :rolleyes:

Im not falling out with anyone Graham...at least you managed to see my initial post was my dark humour...goodness, you agreed!, all part of the joke...obviously it escaped some :NoNo:

I appreciate that some folks on here are feeling pretty raw about the minimum wage requirements but hey does that mean we gotta be walking on eggshells here...I have enough of that elsewhere, thank you very much :NoNo: ..nobody should feel obliged to read all the posts, especially from folks you know that get under your skin hence the 'ignore button'.

I dont use it..I have self control....anyway, its goodnight from him :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[andy222]

Did I not say it was wrong of the goverment of the day trid the country of state run grammar schools?....schools where bright British kids of every background could attend.

As for what planet im on....if only you knew..what ever I say you area gonna twist it...oh, I was married to someone like that before...Andy, didn't you say you was an engineer big money etc but you packed it up coz of the unsocial hours well, that's me..I wasn't prepared for my family to suffer...its all your choice...nobody elses

Your wrong there I am a qualified engineer but I was made redundant (the firm closed down) 1400 of us went. For your information I didnt pack it up. I did work unsociable hours and still do. I changed career because there was no work about in my field of engineering. Instead of sitting on my butt I got my qualifications to work in the NHS and took a lower paid job.

[gWaPito]

Cheers, I stand corrected..:) I wish you well in your radio broadcast :xxgrinning--00xx3: