Jury: Samsung violated Apple patents, owes more than $1B

[lastlid]

"A federal jury in San Jose late Friday ruled that Samsung infringed on multiple Apple patents, awarding the Cupertino, Calif., maker of the iPhone and iPad more than $1 billion in damages and rewriting the rules for mobile technology patent disputes."


"Apple shares rose 1.8% to $675.04 in after-hours trading after the news.
The $1.05 billion in damages is the largest surviving verdict in patent history. Two larger verdicts were reversed, according to Stanford University law professor Mark Lemley."

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2012-08-24/apple-samsung-infringement-ruling/57293596/1


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19377261

[raynaputi]

:crazy::crazy::crazy:

[gWaPito]

It doesn't deflect the fact the latest Samsung is lb for lb the much better phone. We have both, these are the findings in our household. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

It doesn't deflect the fact the latest Samsung is lb for lb the much better phone. We have both, these are the findings in our household. :xxgrinning--00xx3:


Best quote I've seen lately regarding Apple is with regard to their rip off iPad compared with the new Google £150 job

Not sure I would call this a 'budget tablet', it is manufactured by ASUS - who have a much better reputation for quality than Foxconn.

The basic iPad costs Apple less than £100 to produce. Apple then slap on £300 profit and sell it to mugs with more money than sense.

The production cost of this tablet is probably not dissimilar, but Google have decided to treat its customers with a bit more respect and not screw every last penny out of them.

[grahamw48]

No bias in California then. :icon_lol:

[Iani]

Samsung is a way cooler company than Apple, they don't treat their customers like mugs (as much), and can you really imagine Samsung......or frankly ANY other company being so damned arrogant as to dismiss their customers, telling them just to hold their phones a different way, when it turns out their overpriced, overhyped pile of locked junk has a serious antenna design fault?

So ok, Apple are innovative and do produce good kit, but there is better cheaper elsewhere. You only need to directly compare an ipod sound quality to the sound quality on the Sony mp3 player, it is vastly.......and I mean vastly superior

[lastlid]

"Michael Gartenburg, research director at Gartner, told the BBC it could be a good thing for consumers in the long run because it would force Apple's competitors to innovate."

I thought this was rather significant. Forced to innovate rather than copy.

[lastlid]

I have a choice at home, but at work I have to use Apple products, for better or for worse. My boss insists. It's his business so he can choose. We all use Apple Macs. He is the "mug" with the brand new ferrari.

[lastlid]

Best quote I've seen lately regarding Apple is with regard to their rip off iPad compared with the new Google £150 job

Not sure I would call this a 'budget tablet', it is manufactured by ASUS - who have a much better reputation for quality than Foxconn.



The basic iPad costs Apple less than £100 to produce. Apple then slap on £300 profit and sell it to mugs with more money than sense.

The production cost of this tablet is probably not dissimilar, but Google have decided to treat its customers with a bit more respect and not screw every last penny out of them.


As you know, its a different size of screen. Much smaller. I had a close look at it a few weeks back.

[lastlid]

Best quote I've seen lately regarding Apple is with regard to their rip off iPad compared with the new Google £150 job

Not sure I would call this a 'budget tablet', it is manufactured by ASUS - who have a much better reputation for quality than Foxconn.

The basic iPad costs Apple less than £100 to produce. Apple then slap on £300 profit and sell it to mugs with more money than sense.

The production cost of this tablet is probably not dissimilar, but Google have decided to treat its customers with a bit more respect and not screw every last penny out of them.


:icon_lol: As you know, there is a significant size difference....

http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/40242-Nexus7-Tablet?highlight=nexus

[London_Manila]

Surely anyone can see that the Samsung is just a copy of the iphone !

Yes i have a iphone and its original not just a copy of another companies phone

Samsung seem to bring out a new phone every other month so you are only going to have the latest model for a short while

Anyway the iphone 5 will be out soon and lets see how Samsung goes about making a copy of that ;)

[gWaPito]

I have a choice at home, but at work I have to use Apple products, for better or for worse. My boss insists. It's his business so he can choose. We all use Apple Macs. He is the "mug" with the brand new ferrari.

Lovely...I hope your not driving a Skoda Lastlid while the boss flaunting his ' loads of money' motor otherwise the ' mug' label can be levelled elsewhere :D

Talking of which...the BBC :rolleyes:...how on earth can you put any credibility in anything they say...they're in the pockets of all who can afford them...Apple being one:rolleyes:

I ask you...you telling me Samsung are today becoz of Apple..really, if you believe that (im sure you dont) you'll believe anything. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[lastlid]

Lovely...I hope your not driving a Skoda Lastlid while the boss flaunting his ' loads of money' motor otherwise the ' mug' label can be levelled elsewhere :D

Talking of which...the BBC :rolleyes:...how on earth can you put any credibility in anything they say...they're in the pockets of all who can afford them...Apple being one:rolleyes:

I ask you...you telling me Samsung are today becoz of Apple..really, if you believe that (im sure you dont) you'll believe anything. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Not my words. Or the words in the quote. Read it again. And then again. Until you have understood it.

[lastlid]

Lovely...I hope your not driving a Skoda Lastlid while the boss flaunting his ' loads of money' motor otherwise the ' mug' label can be levelled elsewhere

He is a world renouned expert in his field so he commands the appropriate fees. No 'loadsamoney' about it.

And yep, thats me, a Skoda. Why be a mug and pay more?

[gWaPito]

Not my words. Or the words in the quote. Read it again. And then again. Until you have understood it.

Dont read links Lastlid...time is precious :Sex::hubbahubba:...not your Quote, yes :xxgrinning--00xx3:..you must agree with it otherwise you wouldn't of posted it:rolleyes:

'Samsung copy Iphone'....whats with the additional bits and bobs what Iphone dont have :rolleyes:..or did they copy those from Apple as well :rolleyes:

You are comparing Iphone with the previous model (maybe)....I or rather my wife and I compared with Samsung's latest...I'll tell you, Iphone are way behind...my says that too and she's the one with the iphone!...not to mention its a few hundred quid more for the bother :NoNo:

[lastlid]

Dont read links Lastlid...time is precious :Sex::hubbahubba:...not your Quote, yes :xxgrinning--00xx3:..you must agree with it otherwise you wouldn't of posted it:rolleyes:

'Samsung copy Iphone'....whats with the additional bits and bobs what Iphone dont have :rolleyes:..or did they copy those from Apple as well :rolleyes:

You are comparing Iphone with the previous model (maybe)....I or rather my wife and I compared with Samsung's latest...I'll tell you, Iphone are way behind...my says that too and she's the one with the iphone!...not to mention its a few hundred quid more for the bother :NoNo:

And now you are talking gibberish...:icon_lol:

And I don't always start threads with something I agree with. I often post threads to see what other people might say.


When the time comes, I may well go for a different phone / tablet / whatever. I keep an open mind. I don't necessarily think that Apple are the be all and end all. But I certainly don't have a pathological hatred of them.

[gWaPito]

Not my words. Or the words in the quote. Read it again. And then again. Until you have understood it.
No need to be condescending Lastlid :rolleyes:

[gWaPito]

And now you are talking gibberish...:icon_lol:

Bull@hite!....get and clean ya Skoda :cwm23:

[joebloggs]

whats new, everyone adapts concepts..

http://asset3.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/08/07/xerox-star-8010-large_610x590.jpeg
Xerox Star from 1981 - with a mouse and GUI

http://asset3.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/08/07/lisa2.jpeg
Apple Lisa released in 1983 :laugher:

[lastlid]

whats new, everyone adapts concepts..

http://asset3.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/08/07/xerox-star-8010-large_610x590.jpeg
Xerox Star from 1981 - with a mouse and GUI

http://asset3.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/08/07/lisa2.jpeg
Apple Lisa released in 1983 :laugher:

My god, there's a blast from the past...:laugher:

[lastlid]

Bull@hite!....get and clean ya Skoda :cwm23:

:icon_lol:

I don't drive a Skoda.

[lastlid]

whats new, everyone adapts concepts..

Now that is a valid point. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

That was my point Joe..obviously I didn't put it over correctly :rolleyes:

I was also trying to get over that im surprised Lastlid used that quote...like you state..everybody uses concepts...otherwise we'd still be driving around on a horse and cart :NoNo:...this is why competition is so important.

If only the Philippines would open there doors :NoNo:

[gWaPito]

Now that is a valid point. :xxgrinning--00xx3:
You gotta be having a laugh :rolleyes:

[lastlid]

That was my point Joe..obviously I didn't put it over correctly :rolleyes:

I was also trying to get over that im surprised Lastlid used that quote...like you state..everybody uses concepts...otherwise we'd still be driving around on a horse and cart :NoNo:...this is why competition is so important.

If only the Philippines would open there doors :NoNo:

I dont think you did convey the same point as Joe. :NoNo: :nono-1-1:

[lastlid]

Surely anyone can see that the Samsung is just a copy of the iphone !

Yes i have a iphone and its original not just a copy of another companies phone

Samsung seem to bring out a new phone every other month so you are only going to have the latest model for a short while

Anyway the iphone 5 will be out soon and lets see how Samsung goes about making a copy of that ;)

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

I have a choice at home, but at work I have to use Apple products, for better or for worse. My boss insists. It's his business so he can choose. We all use Apple Macs. He is the "mug" with the brand new ferrari.

So besides his perceived IT expertise he has some competent employees making him loadsamoney :icon_lol:

[lastlid]

So besides his perceived IT expertise he has some competent employees making him loadsamoney :icon_lol:

IT expertise? Where do you get that from?

He makes his money from his expertise, not specifically from his employees. IT isn't his field. Nothing perceived there. Sorry.

Try again....

[lastlid]

Anyone remember this example of 118 using someones caricature.

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/enforcement/advertising-complaints-bulletins/appeal-the-number-david-bedford/

[Dedworth]

IT expertise? Where do you get that from?

He makes his money from his expertise, not specifically from his employees. IT isn't his field. Nothing perceived there. Sorry.

Try again....

Percieved IT expertise - you linked him being Apple to the core with driving a flash motor :)

[lastlid]

Percieved IT expertise - you linked him being Apple to the core with driving a flash motor :)

I didn't say that he is an expert in IT. You did.

However you linked owning an Apple product to being a mug. Quite a common message from yourself. And an offensive one.

Try again.

[Dedworth]

I didn't say that he is an expert in IT. You did.

Try again.
3rd and final try

Forget the words expert, IT and percieved - you linked his 100% support of brand Apple with him driving a brand new ferrari. A bit like the way the adverts link Lynx splashers with getting all the birds.

I presumed he was a bit of an IT expert like I also presume he's a successful businessman but he might be a bank robber using his ill gotten gains to prop up the company and finance his wheels for all I know :icon_lol:

[lastlid]

3rd and final try

Forget the words expert, IT and percieved - you linked his 100% support of brand Apple with him driving a brand new ferrari. A bit like the way the adverts link Lynx splashers with getting all the birds.

I presumed he was a bit of an IT expert like I also presume he's a successful businessman but he might be a bank robber using his ill gotten gains to prop up the company and finance his wheels for all I know :icon_lol:

You have got a vivid imagination. Not everyone is scum of some sort or other. And not everyone who makes money does so by illgotten means or by robbing their employees.

The message I was trying to convey was in contrast to your connection between mugs and Apple, he is no mug.

Try again.

Now if I told you the name of my previous employer there's a fair chance you would give it some stick, as the whole world knows of its reputation.

[gWaPito]

Percieved IT expertise - you linked him being Apple to the core with driving a flash motor :)

I agree there Ded...that's sure how I read it

[lastlid]

I agree there Ded...that's sure how I read it



You seem to misread things.

[gWaPito]

Nothing pathological about wanting value for money...goodness, let the kids pay over the odds...brand means everything, bugger the quality...surely we are all of a certain age not to be taken in by these blood sucking cretins...that's all what Ded's pointing out.

[gWaPito]

Try and read the Emperors New Clothes.

That's one I have read.. Currently on a daily basis...my 16 month old boy's favourite

Along with Little tail and Long tail plus educational Ten little fingers and ten little toes...
Needless to we are both benefiting

[joebloggs]

what are you 3 waffling on about :doh
looks like you've all had too much of dedworths bargain beer :66:
:rolleyes:

[grahamw48]

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/968/bustfezzer.jpg




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http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/18/getmecoat8692890.gif

[joebloggs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDVkcoVWPNY

my old boss and his Ferrari spider :doh

[grahamw48]

Hmm....that was a bit careless, but probably similar to when I wrote off my first Lotus Seven by somersaulting it several times at 70mph. :cwm3:

Anyway, fortunately I can't take part in this thread, as I haven't a clue what anyone is talking about. In fact my current computer looks remarkably like the one they're all taking the piss out of, so anything newer than a phone with a camera on it (which I haven't progressed to yet) is a bit beyond me. :icon_lol:

[joebloggs]

Anyway, fortunately I can't take part in this thread, as I haven't a clue what anyone is talking about.

:icon_lol: i've no idea why they are arguing :Rasp:

[lastlid]

Ha. Its a new 599. He gets all the jibes...

"Hows the new Fiat?" and all that. :icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

Such people are just jealous.

I'd love a 599.

True petrolheads respect a thoroughbred....whatever the make.

[lastlid]

Such people are just jealous.

I'd love a 599.

True petrolheads respect a thoroughbred....whatever the make.

Now you are talking over my head as I know very little about such cars.

[grahamw48]

Forza4 (Xbox360) is a great and surprisingly realistic way to sample all the exotica...including the the 599.

I use a good steering wheel and pedals.

Here my first drive in the TVR Tuscan, a very tricky car to drive and similar in layout to the 599.

(there are no hesitations in the actual game...that's the fault of the upload).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8r1HJjFqHo

[gWaPito]

You seem to misread things.

Tsk tsk tsk....im shaking my head as well :NoNo:

[lastlid]

Quoting the Daily Mail, so it must be true...


"Samsung ordered to pay Apple more than $1BILLION after jury says they STOLE patented iPhone designs - and now faces having to pull ALL their cellphones and tablets from the U.S."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2193352/Samsung-V-Apple-Samsung-ordered-pay-1BILLION-jury-says-STOLE-patented-designs.html#ixzz24eOSxdJ6

[lastlid]

From CNN Money

"Will we see any changes to future phone and tablet hardware?

The verdict strengthened Apple's design identity, and competitors may now be afraid to even toe the line of the iDevices' "look and feel."
Chris Carani, an intellectual property attorney and design law expert at McAndrews, Held & Malloy, says the verdict could spark "a burst of creativity" in the design of future devices. Competitors won't want to risk being slapped with a design infringement lawsuit, given that it costs so much money to roll out a new smartphone or tablet.
"Competitors will have to go back to the drawing board, and give their designers more creative license," Carani says. "They'll have to create something very different as far as the visual experience, and that choice could be a great benefit for consumers.""

Basically, this will force Apples competitors to be original and stop the copying of their product. Bias aside, probably a good thing for the consumer in the long run.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/24/technology/apple-samsung-verdict/index.html

[lastlid]

“The result will likely be an increase in costs to Android users because of licensing fees to Apple,” Houston-based intellectual property lawyer Steve Mitby told Wired. In layman’s terms: expect Android phones to cost more. “This will drive many Android consumers over to Apple. Next to Samsung, the biggest loser today is Google.”

Quoting from this link...

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/what-apple-v-samsung-means/

[gWaPito]

Ok Lastlid...its been established in an unbiased :rolleyes: American court of law by an all American jury that Samsung were found guilty of copyright...:rolleyes:

Not suggesting Apple nobbled the jury but this all stinks of corruption...reminds me when the yanks tried to stop the Japs importing there far superior cars.

Yes, Samsung copied but what they did was copied and further refined then sold at a far cheaper price...the consumers win...this is why Apple went to considerable time and expense to shut Samsung down...good for the consumer?...I think not.

All Apple is doing is creating a monopoly..simply as that....some consumers are mugs....they wanna pay over the top for Apple products knowing full well.....at least until recently :rolleyes:, they could get cheaper elsewhere.

[grahamw48]

...Having said that, I would still rather that we hadn't taught the Japs how to make cars and the Koreans how to build ships...and everything else.

Selling guns to the Red Indians set a bad precedent. :NoNo:

[lastlid]

Ok Lastlid...its been established in an unbiased :rolleyes: American court of law by an all American jury that Samsung were found guilty of copyright...:rolleyes:

Not suggesting Apple nobbled the jury but this all stinks of corruption...reminds me when the yanks tried to stop the Japs importing there far superior cars.

Yes, Samsung copied but what they did was copied and further refined then sold at a far cheaper price...the consumers win...this is why Apple went to considerable time and expense to shut Samsung down...good for the consumer?...I think not.

All Apple is doing is creating a monopoly..simply as that.... some consumers are mugs....they wanna pay over the top for Apple products knowing full well.....at least until recently :rolleyes:, they could get cheaper elsewhere.

All I can say then is, there are an awful lot of mugs about if your supposition is correct. Not everyone wants to buy budget brands or cheap copies. Hence the car analogy. If we all wanted to do was err that way then we would all be driving skodas or a similar budget brand car. We don't all want to be drinking the cheapest coffee in the cheapest coffee house even if you do, or the cheapest of anything. Have you always gone for the cheapest options?

On the matter of cheaper imitations, yes the customer maybe gains that way but as the man said, loses out in terms of innovative alternatives.

[gWaPito]

Hmm....that was a bit careless, but probably similar to when I wrote off my first Lotus Seven by somersaulting it several times at 70mph. :cwm3:

Anyway, fortunately I can't take part in this thread, as I haven't a clue what anyone is talking about. In fact my current computer looks remarkably like the one they're all taking the piss out of, so anything newer than a phone with a camera on it (which I haven't progressed to yet) is a bit beyond me. :icon_lol:
I wasn't taking the pee Graham...I was thinking along the same lines...looks remarkably like the setup I brought my wife in Philippines :D

It did its job for us and I saved loads on phone bills....I paid 18000 for it in January 2009...when wife came here it was passed on to family..its still going strong .....money well spent :xxgrinning--00xx3:.....unlike the over priced Apple products......yes, my wife got one, what she does with her allowance is her business although, she did say on reflection she would of preferred the Samsung.

This new Apple ruling (applicable to usa only) is comparable to Ford saying anyother car manufacturers putting wheels to there cars is breaking there patent :NoNo:

Only in America....the centre of the universe :NoNo:

[lastlid]

I wasn't taking the pee Graham...I was thinking along the same lines...looks remarkably like the setup I brought my wife in Philippines :D

It did its job for us and I saved loads on phone bills....I paid 18000 for it in January 2009...when wife came here it was passed on to family..its still going strong .....money well spent :xxgrinning--00xx3:.....unlike the over priced Apple products......yes, my wife got one, what she does with her allowance is her business although, she did say on reflection she would of preferred the Samsung.

This new Apple ruling (applicable to usa only) is comparable to Ford saying anyother car manufacturers putting wheels to there cars is breaking there patent :NoNo:

Only in America....the centre of the universe :NoNo:

Not really. I see your point but its isn't quite the same thing. Not a good analogy.

[lastlid]

...Having said that, I would still rather that we hadn't taught the Japs how to make cars and the Koreans how to build ships...and everything else.

Selling guns to the Red Indians set a bad precedent. :NoNo:

A sobering perspective on this topic. Yes. It has come back to bite us all in the butt. Not good for the UK consumer / economy at all.

[gWaPito]

Honestly....:icon_lol:...you forgotten your sense of humour again :icon_lol:...I bet you go down a storm at parties :icon_lol:

[lastlid]

Honestly....:icon_lol:...you forgotten your sense of humour again :icon_lol:...I bet you go down a storm at parties :icon_lol:

I just don't agree with your skewed perspective. :icon_lol:

[gWaPito]

All I can say then is, there are an awful lot of mugs about if your supposition is correct. Not everyone wants to buy budget brands or cheap copies. Hence the car analogy. If we all wanted to do was err that way then we would all be driving skodas or a similar budget brand car. We don't all want to be drinking the cheapest coffee in the cheapest coffee house even if you do, or the cheapest of anything. Have you always gone for the cheapest options?

On the matter of cheaper imitations, yes the customer maybe gains that way but as the man said, loses out in terms of innovative alternatives.
Who's talking about cheap brands cheap coffee etc:rolleyes:...you're beginning to lose it...what we put in our shopping trolley is neither cheap or nasty....remember im a 40% tax payer...a man of means :rolleyes:

The Samsung is equally neither cheap or nasty...its a very good phone....much better in quality compared to your iphone....remember I have both:icon_lol:

[lastlid]

who's talking about cheap brands cheap coffee etc:rolleyes:...you're beginning to lose it...what we put in our shopping trolley is neither cheap or nasty....remember im a 40% tax payer...a man of means :rolleyes:

The samsung is equally neither cheap or nasty...its a very good phone....much better in quality compared to your iphone....remember i have both:icon_lol:

WOW. Now you are making me laugh.

[gWaPito]

WOW. Now you are making me laugh.

You never heard of sarcasm...its wasted on some folks

[gWaPito]

Percieved IT expertise - you linked him being Apple to the core with driving a flash motor :)

Which must be true :D...you've linked Samsung owners to buying cheap brands...even, heavens forbid, drinking cheap coffee in cheap coffee houses...ooch!....:icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

...If I can just shoulder my way in here. :)

I have a good accountant, so pay hardly any tax at all. :D

[gWaPito]

:D

[grahamw48]

Talking about older computers...as recently as 2000 the computer I shipped out to the Phils for us to use had only 32mb of RAM and a 2 gig hard drive. lol :icon_lol:

Talk about slow. You could go and cook lunch while a picture was downloading off the internet. :NoNo:


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http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6549/skeletonatcomputer.jpg

[gWaPito]

I think the cat's got his tongue....either that or planning another angle of attack :icon_lol:

[gWaPito]

Talking about older computers...as recently as 2000 the Ttcomputer I shipped out to the Phils for us to use had only 32mb of RAM and a 2 gig hard drive. lol :icon_lol:

Talk about slow. You could go and cook lunch while a picture was downloading off the internet. :NoNo:


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http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6549/skeletonatcomputer.jpg
You are funny Graham :icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

This PC I'm using now was built (by me) in 2003. :icon_lol:

I do have a 42" SAMSUNG TV though...connected to it....plus two mahoosive Hi-Fis, also connected up to the old girl. :D

[grahamw48]

...and wi-fi...and 3 different game consoles. :D

[raynaputi]

This smartphone wars is been going on since 2009, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone_wars ! :doh And I'm guessing it will be for a very long time! :NoNo:

Samsung won the same case in Seoul: http://o.canada.com/2012/08/24/samsung-wins-korean-court-battle-against-apple-both-infringed-patents/
Apple Inc. vs Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._v._Samsung_Electronics_Co.,_Ltd.

As for me, I would never ever buy an Apple product, never liked any of it (I got friends who have iPhone, Samsung Galaxy, and even Blackberry...and they prefer to use Samsung and Blackberry over iPhone haha..:D and some of my friends are selling their iPhone to buy Samsung Galaxy S3 hahaha :icon_lol:)...Keith's planning to get a Samsung Galaxy S3 on his contract renewal and I'm overly jealous of it! :bigcry:

[KeithD]

Major problems exist with the California verdict, and most of it is likely to be overturned on appeal, even legal experts who favoured apple couldn't believe that patents such as 'rounded corners' were not voided by the judge! A stupid patent as my smartphone, v1605 (http://www.imei-check.co.uk/m3100.jpg) had rounded edges years before the Iphone appeared.

Even worse, the jurors report is now out and they clearly state they had made a unanimous decision that Samsung were guilty on all counts! :Erm: They stated that the defense video proved beyond doubt they were guilty! :Erm: Eh!!! That was the defence video you muppets, and it doesn't prove beyond doubt they were guilty :crazy:. So before hearing all the evidence, they'd decided guilt after just a few hours :doh

The court was just a few blocks away from Apple HQ, and for some reason Yanks think that Apple puts 1,000's of jobs into the area, and $Billions in revenue into the economy ... not true as everything is outsourced to Asia, all Apple actually is is a design and marketing company. Yanks have always been misled by Apple as they are so gullible..... and they thought that Samsung, and Asian country, was taking away US income and jobs :rolleyes:

And back in the real world, Apple v Samsung is going to courts in about 50 countries, so far Apple have won NONE, and yet they are all pretty much the same case as the California one. Only 2 weeks ago a UK judge ordered Apple to publicly apologise to Samsung for saying they'd ripped them off. The rest of the worlds legal system seem to be using that rare thing, COMMON SENSE.

A smartphone looks like a smartphone because it is a smartphone... the same goes for a cooker looking like a cooker, a car looking like a car, etc.

What most people don't know is that the Apple products only exist as they use Samsung licensed technology, including the main processor in each gadget. If Samsung pulled the plug on supplying Apple they'd have no products and would have to basically start redesigning from scratch.

The money involved is actually meaningless to both companies, £1Billion to Samsung is only about 1% of profits, and they'd get that back by upping the price they charge Apple for the hardware, so Apple would actually be worse off over the coming years. The cases are all about Apple wanting to control the market, normal for all big companies, but reading the comments on many blogs over this the last few weeks many Apple supporters have now dumped Apple for applying such bullyboy tactics. Apple are already losing market share rapidly to Android, a much better and flexible OS, and so they are resorting to all they have left, legal action.

[Dedworth]

A home win for Apple in a biased amateurish court

[grahamw48]

Then again...perhaps the UK could do to stand up for their home industries too....unpalatable for the rest of the world as that may be. :)

Without us bringing about the Industrial Revolution they'd all still be riding horses.
:rolleyes:

[gWaPito]

Nice posts Win2win and Rayna....good to see the record being put straight with sound facts....at least of here :xxgrinning--00xx3:...even for a simply truck driver like myself could see the judgement meated out to Samsung in the usa was presented by a kangaroo court...

[gWaPito]

Not really. I see your point but its isn't quite the same thing. Not a good analogy.

On the contrary...going by win2win's factual post # 71, I am indeed on the button. Not bad for someone reading nearly everything between the lines:)

I got nothing against companies producing quality products at a fair price....but Apple's main motivation is rob and monopolise with no due consideration to competition.

Seeing how you've stated in previous posts you got an open mind ....really, you giving a good impression of the opposite.

Anyway...happy bank holiday Monday :D

[Dedworth]

Samsung re-files appeal including citing dodgy juror


Samsung's re-filed appeal in its intellectual property infringement law suit against Apple has confirmed that an attack on the probity of the jury foreman will spearhead the company's case.

In it, Samsung rejects all of Apple's claims and argues that a mistrial should be called because Velvin Hogan, the jury foreman, failed to disclose relevant law suits he had been involved in, and had misled the rest of the jury in their deliberations.

Hogan, in pre-trial vetting - called voir dire - did not disclose a court case he was involved in with a former employer, Seagate Technology, which led to his filing for personal bankruptcy six months later. The filing implies, but does not explicitly state, that Hogan sought not to disclose that dispute because Samsung is Seagate's largest shareholder and, hence, wanted to punish Samsung.

"Samsung has a substantial strategic relationship with Seagate, which culminated last year in the publicised sale of a division to Seagate in a deal worth $1.375bn [£bn], making Samsung the single largest direct shareholder of Seagate. The attorney who sued Mr Hogan on Seagate's behalf is the husband of a Quinn Emanuel partner [the law firm representing Samsung]," states the filing.

It continues: "Mr Hogan's failure to disclose the Seagate suit raises issues of bias that Samsung should have been allowed to explore in questioning and that would have triggered a motion to strike for cause or a peremptory strike. Moreover, Mr Hogan's public statements suggest that he failed to answer the Court's question truthfully ‘in order to secure a seat on the jury'."

Citing case law, Samsung claims that in such cases bias ought to be presumed.

Samsung also pointed to other inconsistencies between how Hogan answered questions at this stage of the trial and his subsequent claims in the media afterwards. Pre-trial, "Hogan remained silent when asked if he had ‘strong feelings or strong opinions about either the United States patent system or intellectual property laws'."

http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2215135/samsung-takes-aim-at-apple-patent-trial-juror

[KeithD]

I see Samsungs profit are well above what was expected, they are gaining more ground from Apple, and it appears Apple will be paying more than $1B to Samsung in higher hardware costs :icon_lol: