A very unsual experience at the Coop Supermarket!

[scottishbride]

Hiya guys!

Just had a very odd experience at the supermarket today. I was doing my shopping and looking to one of shelves thinking what I'm going cook tonight when all of a sudden a middle old woman perhaps in 40's turned up, stared at me like mad! As in staring at me eye to eye infront of my face. I said hello but she just kept staring at me. So, what I did is I just ignored her and continue shopping. Then, a ex co-employee of mine,approach me as she seen and witness the scene ( I used to work at the Coop ) She told me that woman who I encountered just spit on one of the coop employee the other day. After we approached and told the Supervisor what happened ( Supervisor not seem to bother) Then, the crazy woman start following me like a stalker. She even cut in the line in till area just to be next to me. I manage to escape as she got load of stuff. Now, I want to know if I can report this to the Police. Oh,and I just found out she just live nearby to my place and she is local in this town.. :NoNo::NoNo:

[grahamw48]

If she spits on you it is classed as 'assault'....other than that, not much you can do unless physical violence takes place.

There are lunatics everywhere. Just have to sidestep them.

[Rosie1958]

If you feel threatened by this woman's anti-social behaviour and it's happened to you more than once, I believe that you could make a complaint about harrassment to the Police and the neighbourhood policing team may go and have a word with her. However, as Graham has said, it's best to avoid the fruitcakes of this world!

[lastlid]

Hiya guys!

Just had a very odd experience at the supermarket today. I was doing my shopping and looking to one of shelves thinking what I'm going cook tonight when all of a sudden a middle old woman perhaps in 40's turned up, stared at me like mad! As in staring at me eye to eye right behind my face. I said hello but she just kept staring at me. So, what I did is I just ignored her and continue shopping. Then, a ex co-employee of mine,approach me as she seen and witness the scene ( I used to work at the Coop ) She told me that woman who I encountered just spit on one of the coop employee the other day. After we approached and told the Supervisor what happened ( Supervisor not seem to bother) Then, the crazy woman start following me like a stalker. She even cut in the line in the till area just to be next to me. I manage to escape as she got load of stuff. Now, I want to know if I can report this to the Police. Oh,and I just found out she just live nearby to my place she is local in this town.. :NoNo::NoNo:



If she spits on you it is classed as 'assault'....other than that, not much you can do unless physical violence takes place.


On the contrary to Grahams response. Stalking and harassment law is different in Scotland. I think you will find it is stiffer. And as yet there is no stalking law in England and Wales.

Harassment is a serious offence in Scotland and is not just confined to any kind of contact.

Quote from the below link....

"Now that may be about to change. An independent parliamentary inquiry, set up last year to look at stalking, and which reported last month, came up with devastating evidence about its prevalence and its effects. A third of those stalked had full-blown post-traumatic stress disorder. Almost 90% of stalkers never had any action taken against them. Stalking was where domestic violence had been 30 years ago – a huge problem that wasn't taken seriously.

There had to be legal change. Stalking needed to be made a specific offence. When Scotland did that in 2010, 150 stalkers were prosecuted in the first four months, and 90% pleaded guilty before trial – contrasting with just 70 prosecutions over the previous decade.".


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/06/stalking-crime-law-taking-seriously

[lastlid]

See the link for more on this.

"Section 38 of the Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010 provides for an offence of 'threatening and abusive behaviour. It provides that it is an offence for a person to behave in a threatening or abusive manner towards someone if that behaviour would be such as to be likely to cause a reasonable person to feel fear or alarm. "

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Justice/crimes/harassment/stalkinglaw

See what I mean, Scottishbride. I spent 6 years in Aberdeen so I was aware of this.

[grahamw48]

How many times has this happened ?

Hardly 'harassment' if it was an isolated incident. :Erm:

[lastlid]

Scottishbride. I can tell from what you have said that it happened twice to you in the same shop. But you also refer to her living close to you and you obviously feel that it might continue or escalate. You have also mentioned a significant witness.

She may be known to the police already. That will add weight to your complaint.

You can indeed pop into your local police station. And they may well caution her. Once under caution any further intimidation / stalking / harassment becomes a more serious offence.

If you are in Aberdeen, pop into Queen Street police station. They are very helpful.

[irishman12]

How many times has this happened ?

Hardly 'harassment' if it was an isolated incident. :Erm:

:xxgrinning--00xx3: just what i was going to say .. As in staring at me eye to eye right behind my face -so u have eyes in the back of your head?

[lastlid]

Scottishbride. If you are unsure, the Scottish police are the best people to ask.

"People who report harassment sometimes feel the authorities do not take their situation seriously or are unable to protect them from further abuse. People who suffer from the threatening behaviour of stalkers can also feel isolated, insecure and unsure of how best to get help"
http://www.victimsupportsco.org.uk/page/resources/informationleaflets/harassment.cfm

You can alternatively call Scottish Crimestoppers. If you want to remain anonymous initially then you can do. Just tell them that you wish to remain anonymous. Though ultimately you will have to identify yourself to enable a prosecution.

0800 555 111

http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/in-your-area/scotland

[lastlid]

How many times has this happened ?

Hardly 'harassment' if it was an isolated incident.

"This common law offence covers all behaviour (including single incidents) which causes, or is likely to cause, fear, alarm, upset or annoyance."


http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Justice/crimes/harassment/stalkinglaw

Like I said. Scottish law in this instance is not the same as English law.

[grahamw48]

That's all very well.

Extremely hard to prove though.

Be careful next time you 'accidentally' stare at someone....in Scotland. :)

[scottishbride]

If she spits on you it is classed as 'assault'....other than that, not much you can do unless physical violence takes place.

There are lunatics everywhere. Just have to sidestep them. Thanks Graham, I have spoken to my hubby last night. And he said, he will try and find out who is that Local woman. As he live here all his life. I just feel unsafe you know as my hubby is away for 3 months and it is just me and my daughter alone... She is known as alcoholic.

[scottishbride]

:xxgrinning--00xx3: just what i was going to say .. As in staring at me eye to eye right behind my face -so u have eyes in the back of your head?

Sorry it must have been typo error or my nerve! I retype and corrected .I mean... Infront of my face! :icon_lol:

[scottishbride]

How many times has this happened ?

Hardly 'harassment' if it was an isolated incident. :Erm: Just once... but everyone in the Coop knows her... as she can be violent towards Coop employee. But like I said, the management doesn't seem to bother..

[scottishbride]

See the link for more on this.

"Section 38 of the Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010 provides for an offence of 'threatening and abusive behaviour. It provides that it is an offence for a person to behave in a threatening or abusive manner towards someone if that behaviour would be such as to be likely to cause a reasonable person to feel fear or alarm. "

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Justice/crimes/harassment/stalkinglaw

See what I mean, Scottishbride. I spent 6 years in Aberdeen so I was aware of this.

So it means... it is considered harrasment? Really, I was scared.. I think if I didn't say hello or ignore her. She must havedone something. She is acting like crazy!!!

[grahamw48]

Thanks Graham, I have spoken to my hubby last night. And he said, he will try and find out who is that Local woman's name. As he live here all his life. I just feel unsafe you know as my hubby is away for 3 months and it is just me and my daughter alone... She is known as alcoholic.

Ah, I understand.

I don't want you to think that I don't sympathise with you, of course I do, but you are going to have to seek the help of others in your community (and speak to the police) to give you some sense of security there.

Meanwhile take care, and just try to avoid her. :)

[scottishbride]

That's all very well.

Extremely hard to prove though.

Be careful next time you 'accidentally' stare at someone....in Scotland. :)

like I have said, my co-employee witness the scene so she came to me right away, after the woman left and we reported to the supervisor. And Coop have CCTV camera on the area I was standing as I used to be employee of the Coop.

[Trefor]

It does sound like this lady has problems, possibly underpinned by mental health issues. There isn't too much you can do unless Co-op ban her, but then you could still meet her in the street.

[scottishbride]

If you feel threatened by this woman's anti-social behaviour and it's happened to you more than once, I believe that you could make a complaint about harrassment to the Police and the neighbourhood policing team may go and have a word with her. However, as Graham has said, it's best to avoid the fruitcakes of this world! Just worried as I found out she live nearby to my place. My husband is away and it is just the me and my daughter alone...

[scottishbride]

Just picked up the phone and called the Manager of Coop. He said he will speak to the Supervisor and Alison my ex co employee who witness the scene. And they will check the CCTV camera. To find out what really happened yesterday. So, i felt relieve a bit. I told him I am happy to participate incase they need me.

[lastlid]

Just picked up the phone and called the Manager of Coop. He said he will speak to the Supervisor and Alison my ex co employee who witness the scene. And they will check the CCTV camera. To find out what really happened yesterday. So, i felt relieve a bit. I told him I am happy to participate incase they need me.

There you go. More proof than some may have thought. CCTV is a very useful tool in supporting convictions. And remember, if charged, it is guilty until proven innocent in Scotland..

[lastlid]

If this woman proves to be more of a nuisance in the future it is possible for the police to push for an interdict (Scottish for injunction) or if the hubby can afford it, civil action can be taken.

Most people would not want to either ignore a Scottish caution or an interdict because of the penalties.

And because you are a lone female with a child the police will be sympathetic to your own and your child's vulnerability.

Also from what you say, your evidence can also be used in conjunction with evidence from the Co Op staff. The incident no longer is an isolated case in any way and adds further weight to a prosecution. She may be known to the police already and have charges against her of a similar nature, pending.

You could simply ignore it but you just don't know if you will bump into her again. If she lives locally, then it may not be possible to ignore her or avoid her. Thats why I suggest that you report it to the police and have it formally recorded in their little book.

[deeen]

As above really, at least if you report it to the police it will add to their picture of her, if it is not an isolated incident.

Supermarkets can refuse entrance to anyone without giving a reason, I'm surprised she is still allowed in, definately worth speaking to the store manager.

[lastlid]

As above really, at least if you report it to the police it will add to their picture of her, if it is not an isolated incident.

Supermarkets can refuse entrance to anyone without giving a reason, I'm surprised she is still allowed in, definately worth speaking to the store manager.

Nice to hear the perspective from the supermarket angle. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

Just once... but everyone in the Coop knows her... as she can be violent towards Coop employee. But like I said, the management doesn't seem to bother..

I get alot of this working for the UK's number one supermarket....if I spent my time reporting local looney tunes to the old bill I wouldn't be getting much work done...:rolleyes:...I'd heed Graham's advice and keep a wide berth :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

As above really, at least if you report it to the police it will add to their picture of her, if it is not an isolated incident.

Supermarkets can refuse entrance to anyone without giving a reason, I'm surprised she is still allowed in, definately worth speaking to the store manager.
I expect she deposits her weekly benefits to the Coop cause:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Now you no need to wonder why these small supermarkets fill there windows full of cheap booze..its to wring out every last penny they got so these maggots can wreak havoc on there council estates...really, these small supermarkets are as guilty as the perpetrators

[Moy]

Hiya guys!

Just had a very odd experience at the supermarket today. I was doing my shopping and looking to one of shelves thinking what I'm going cook tonight when all of a sudden a middle old woman perhaps in 40's turned up, stared at me like mad! As in staring at me eye to eye infront of my face. I said hello but she just kept staring at me. So, what I did is I just ignored her and continue shopping. Then, a ex co-employee of mine,approach me as she seen and witness the scene ( I used to work at the Coop ) She told me that woman who I encountered just spit on one of the coop employee the other day. After we approached and told the Supervisor what happened ( Supervisor not seem to bother) Then, the crazy woman start following me like a stalker. She even cut in the line in till area just to be next to me. I manage to escape as she got load of stuff. Now, I want to know if I can report this to the Police. Oh,and I just found out she just live nearby to my place and she is local in this town.. :NoNo::NoNo:

stare her as well:action-smiley-081::D eye to eye and of course showing your pinoy bolo ^_^ as shown on the pic below lols.. its naughty i know but she seems ill.. uneducated ignorant woman:Erm: sad really..what you could do scottishbride..maybe bring a bolo:action-smiley-081::icon_lol: to scare her :cwm24::laugher::doh:icon_lol::icon_lol:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luqfksSkDW1qcmmjy.jpg

[lastlid]

stare her as well:action-smiley-081::D eye to eye and of course showing your pinoy bolo ^_^ as shown on the pic below lols.. its naughty i know but she seems ill.. uneducated ignorant woman:Erm: sad really..what you could do scottishbride..maybe bring a bolo:action-smiley-081::icon_lol: to scare her :cwm24::laugher::doh:icon_lol::icon_lol:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luqfksSkDW1qcmmjy.jpg

Wouldnt want to meet you on a dark night, Moy....:D

[Moy]

Wouldnt want to meet you on a dark night, Moy....

oh if we meet on the dark lastid this would am sure i will bring:cwm24::omg::icon_lol: cute balisong just to protect you from any harm :Rasp::laugher:

http://365greatpinoystuff.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/balisong.jpg

[lastlid]

oh if we meet on the dark lastid this would am sure i will bring:cwm24::omg::icon_lol: cute balisong just to protect you from any harm :Rasp::laugher:

http://365greatpinoystuff.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/balisong.jpg

:omg:

[joebloggs]

Wouldnt want to meet you on a dark night, Moy....:D

i wouldn't want to meet Ros in daylight :yikes:

:laugher:

:cwm3:

:xxparty-smiley-004:

[Moy]

:icon_lol: lastid babe ^_^

[Moy]

i wouldn't want to meet Ros in daylight :yikes:

:laugher:

:cwm3:

:xxparty-smiley-004:

oh i would love to meet Joe's:action-smiley-081: on midnight of course wearing my special weapon clothes:omg::laugher:

http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/files/2012/01/t0120Y-UP-lantern_feat5_1.jpg

[joebloggs]

oh i would love to meet Joe's:action-smiley-081: on midnight of course wearing my special weapon clothes:omg::laugher:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/315edith/5796158979/lightbox/

i'm not allowed out after midnight :cwm24:, is that when you change into a pumpkin Ros :rolleyes:

[Moy]

i'm not allowed out after midnight :cwm24:, is that when you change into a pumpkin Ros :rolleyes:

not pumpkin ifuganion:omg::laugher::icon_lol:

:action-smiley-081:
http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/files/2012/01/t0120Y-UP-lantern_feat5_1.jpg

[joebloggs]

i see you Ros the one on the right, dressed as Lechon :icon_lol:
looks like you've got a bun in the oven :yikes:

[grahamw48]

Much worse without the mask ! :D





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http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9421/oldwoman.gif

[Moy]

i see you Ros the one on the right, dressed as Lechon :icon_lol:
looks like you've got a bun in the oven :yikes:

you should get your eye check Joe
as am sure your saliva :yikes::action-smiley-081::laugher::omg:would fall off soon when you see me personally:icon_lol::action-smiley-081:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CxHavyZLTTo/TNtSoBBtZFI/AAAAAAAABEo/pnsjHQ_n1_0/s1600/1.jpg

[Moy]

[QUOTE=grahamw48;384864]Much worse without the mask ! :D

and you graham i dare you you'll get fat soon having more apetite to eat more when you get a glance from Mrs Moy:action-smiley-081::icon_lol::Rasp: 10 years ago:cwm24::laugher:

http://adventuresofabeautyqueen.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/maria-muriel-moral-1.jpg%3Fw%3D223%26h%3D310





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[grahamw48]

Wow ! :hubbahubba:

[grahamw48]

We'd have made a fine couple. :D

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http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9659/bodybuilder6hv.jpg

[Moy]

Wow ! :hubbahubba:
see..even your tongue will off you go soon:D:Rasp::action-smiley-081::laugher:

[joebloggs]

i know thats not your pic ros :D i think your the one who needs your eye testing and your brain duling :Cuckoo::crazy::icon_lol:

[Moy]

i know thats not your pic ros :D i think your the one who needs your eye testing and your brain duling :Cuckoo::crazy::icon_lol:
and am sure you regret any word you said about now joe as all your premonition:action-smiley-081::icon_lol::crazy::D are wrong and you are jelous old :Rasp::Dman to a young lady like me:Rasp::omg::action-smiley-081:

[joebloggs]

young :laugher:, lady :laugher::laugher:
i think you've been reading those fantasy books again :rolleyes:

[gWaPito]

you should get your eye check Joe
as am sure your saliva :yikes::action-smiley-081::laugher::omg:would fall off soon when you see me personally:icon_lol::action-smiley-081:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CxHavyZLTTo/TNtSoBBtZFI/AAAAAAAABEo/pnsjHQ_n1_0/s1600/1.jpg

Nice sunglasses :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Moy]

young :laugher:, lady :laugher::laugher:
i think you've been reading those fantasy books again :rolleyes:

the fanstasy books you are saying only belongs to an old grumpy old man :icon_sorry::omg::D that it was you :Rasp::action-smiley-081:Joes .. you should start to pack your things now as i would take you to the nursing home to where i work :laugher::laugher: there you could see what Mrs Moy look like :cwm24::action-smiley-081::icon_lol:

[joebloggs]

as i would take you to the nursing home to where i work :laugher::laugher: there you could see what Mrs Moy look like :cwm24::action-smiley-081::icon_lol:

i bet that pic is of mrs Moy :hubbahubba: and not you Mrs Major :laugher:

[Moy]

i bet that pic is of mrs Moy :hubbahubba: and not you Mrs Major :laugher:

oh talking about major:action-smiley-081::D i am major as well :Rasp: i finish the degree of bachelor of science in commerce MAJOR:action-smiley-081::laugher: in Marketing and i landed on home economics :laugher::D:action-smiley-081: minor in caring with nursing:cwm24::icon_lol:

[lastlid]

Hiya guys!

Just had a very odd experience at the supermarket today. I was doing my shopping and looking to one of shelves thinking what I'm going cook tonight when all of a sudden a middle old woman perhaps in 40's turned up, stared at me like mad! As in staring at me eye to eye infront of my face. I said hello but she just kept staring at me. So, what I did is I just ignored her and continue shopping. Then, a ex co-employee of mine,approach me as she seen and witness the scene ( I used to work at the Coop ) She told me that woman who I encountered just spit on one of the coop employee the other day. After we approached and told the Supervisor what happened ( Supervisor not seem to bother) Then, the crazy woman start following me like a stalker. She even cut in the line in till area just to be next to me. I manage to escape as she got load of stuff. Now, I want to know if I can report this to the Police. Oh,and I just found out she just live nearby to my place and she is local in this town.. :NoNo::NoNo:

BTW Scottishbride, I apologise if you don't live in Aberdeen but I seem to recall that you do. I was actually inside the Aberdeen Sheriffs court a few years ago and watched a woman succesfully prosecuted by the police for shouting at someone in public (in a manner that would cause alarm and distress to her victim and alarm to others listening). I can even hear the Sheriffs words now. The law in Scotland seems to be a bit tighter on this sort of thing. It doesnt sound like this woman simply caught your gaze, I get the impression it was more menacing than that. There is a fine line there and Graham has referred to one side of it but your case appears to fall the other side of the line.

Bottom line is, it doesnt hurt to call the police and have a chat with them. Don't think that you would be taking up their time unecessarily. The police up there will well understand your concern when your husband is away as the city runs on the back of the oil industry, as you know. They will be only too pleased to help. Seeking to avoid someone who lives locally to you can be easier said than done, again, I know someone in Aberdeen that was in that position and it was darn near impossible for her to do that.

My ex girlfriend was a secretary and PA to a solicitor (her uncle) in Aberdeen so I found out a lot that way. She herself had been prosecuted for throwing a biro at a bus driver :D and the police did charge her. Many people don't realise how differently Scottish law can be in certain areas of life, criminal law, divorce law etc etc is so very different in many instances.

[scottishbride]

BTW Scottishbride, I apologise if you don't live in Aberdeen but I seem to recall that you do. No worries lastid.. :) I wish I live in Aberdeen, i heard it is a nice place! Apparently, I live in Fife where my husband born and raise. Well, I am still waiting for the Manager to phone me back for any updates. So we will see... at the moment it is under investigation. Normally, the Police come and speak to the manager if they need to report something.

[scottishbride]

stare her as well:action-smiley-081::D eye to eye and of course showing your pinoy bolo ^_^ as shown on the pic below lols.. its naughty i know but she seems ill.. uneducated ignorant woman:Erm: sad really..what you could do scottishbride..maybe bring a bolo:action-smiley-081::icon_lol: to scare her :cwm24::laugher::doh:icon_lol::icon_lol:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luqfksSkDW1qcmmjy.jpg

You are full of sense of humor Moy.Unfortunately, you can carry and do this in the Philippines. I used to have pepper spray with me all time when I was in the Philippines. Incase of you know... emergency... :)

[lastlid]

No worries lastid.. :) I wish I live in Aberdeen, i heard it is a nice place! Apparently, I live in Fife where my husband born and raise. Well, I am still waiting for the Manager to phone me back for any updates. So we will see... at the moment it is under investigation. Normally, the Police come and speak to the manager if they need to report something.

Okay. Good.

I have driven through it many times. My ex wifes brother lives in Kirkaldy. Used to be a local councillor. Dont know if he still is.