Great Speech

[andy222]

Listened to Milliband make his speech today. Very interesting.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

what part, just heard what was on the news and they said he got that from the other party, then again share and share alike they say

[Terpe]

Heard some of it on the radio.
He's starting to try and explain something about himself in order to reach out to the voters.
He really needs to convince all those lost labour voters he is the special one.
If he cannot he's done for.

Personally I don't care for him. He's never had a proper job and never lived outside his Westminster 'bubble'. A bit like the vast majority of politicians now.
God help us all.

[stevewool]

the bit i heard was that his party loved the speech, but did the public, maybe if he talked to us rather then down to us he may get somewhere, sorry to say wont get my vote, infact nobody will

[Terpe]

what part, just heard what was on the news and they said he got that from the other party, then again share and share alike they say

Hmmm, how many times did he mention comprehensive school.?
As if that's really makes a difference.

Yes, his background is different, but his experience, thinking, and logic is just as insular and detached from society as ALL the politicians of any colour.

[stevewool]

ONE NATION, ONE NATION, did not look like there where many people there, i have seen more on top gear and better looking too

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ONE NATION, ONE NATION A COUNTRY FOR ALL:NoNo::NoNo::NoNo:, except for our partners, wives, unless we apy for them or earn enough, thats what i DONT call A COUNTRY FOR ALL

[Bluebirdjones]

They chose the wrong brother.

[joebloggs]

They chose the wrong brother.

:xxgrinning--00xx3: they did, and will probably cost the labour party dearly :cwm3:

[Arthur Little]

:olddude: ... this man's 3 months younger than my daughter! :omg: I MUST be getting old! :doh

[andy222]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19819568

Hmmm privatisation.

[Dedworth]

What about Millipedes "tribute" to vile communist historian Hobsbawm :cwm23:

He hated Britain and excused Stalin's genocide. But was hero of the BBC and the Guardian, was Eric Hobsbawm a TRAITOR too?



Historian defended the Soviet killing of millions in the name of Communism
When he was at Cambridge in the 1930s he knew Anthony Blunt, Guy Burgess and other Soviet agents, who were recruited by Marxists
Four years before his death said he wanted to see MI5 files on him to find out who had 'snitched on him'




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211961/Eric-Hobsbawm-He-hated-Britain-excused-Stalins-genocide-But-traitor-too.html#ixzz28Gobb7XO

'Unrepentant communist' historian Eric Hobsbawm dies aged 95



Lifelong Communist inspired a generation of thinkers on the New Left
Critics say he was an apologist for the excesses of Stalinism
Tony Blair pays tribute to 'giant of progressive politics history'




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211379/Leading-Marxist-historian-author-Eric-Hobsbawm-dies-aged-95-battle-pneumonia.html#ixzz28GpRlsFf

[andy222]

Steady on commrade Ded.:icon_lol:

[joebloggs]

I'm' sure it was Paul McCartney who said his dad always voted for a communist candidate as a union rep because they always got the best deal for the workers :wink:

[Dedworth]

The Bruvvers also got it wrong jeering and heckling an asylum seeker praising academy schools :laugher:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/9588508/Heckler-halts-refugee-girl-as-she-praises-her-school.html

[bigmarco]

I'm' sure it was Paul McCartney who said his dad always voted for a communist candidate as a union rep because they always got the best deal for the workers :wink:

I've had an above inflation pay rise every year for the last 10 years. I have not had to go on strike once to get it. I am guaranteed above inflation pay rises for the next 2 years.
For the duration of the Olympics and Paralympics I will receive bonus payments of just over £3k (some will get around £5k) for agreeing minor breeches of framework agreements.
I'm not bragging I just believe that every worker should invite Bob Crow into their workplace.

[andy222]

Good for you marco. Keep your contributions up mate.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[KeithD]

According to the dictionary, Nation is a single country .... so he's basically saying 'Single Single Country' :Erm:

[joebloggs]

I've had an above inflation pay rise every year for the last 10 years. I have not had to go on strike once to get it. I am guaranteed above inflation pay rises for the next 2 years.
For the duration of the Olympics and Paralympics I will receive bonus payments of just over £3k (some will get around £5k) for agreeing minor breeches of framework agreements.
I'm not bragging I just believe that every worker should invite Bob Crow into their workplace.

:biggrin: where i work, there have been people working there for more than 12yrs and never had a pay rise (only when the minimum wage is increased) i think everyone who works should have a right to join a union.

[andy222]

I agree Joe. With the cost of living forever increasing and wages being froze who is going to fight for us?

[bigmarco]

I agree Joe. With the cost of living forever increasing and wages being froze who is going to fight for us?

This is why Crow is villified in the press. You don't have to like the mans politics but you cant argue that he fights for the working man.
We have 1000's of Bus Drivers fighting to be able to join the RMT in London because they know that their standard of living will improve.
This Austerity :censored: gets on my nerves. Expecting working people to pay for the sins of Bankers.

[Dedworth]

A £2.3m house with £400,000 mortgage... it's Labour leader Ed Millionaire!


He attacked the Prime Minister for his personal wealth but the Labour leader is far from poor
He earns more than £130,000 while his partner earns around £200,000 a year



Ed Miliband likes to portray himself as a man of the people, emphasising his humble origins as the comprehensive-school educated son of immigrants.

But only days after dodging questions about his personal wealth and sneering at David Cameron’s fortune, it has emerged that the Labour Party leader is so rich he can afford to live in a £2.3million house – with a £400,000 mortgage.

Land Registry documents also show the Milibands have remortgaged their house in north London with Barclays, the bank he savaged for its role in the interest-rate rigging scandal.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213675/Ed-Miliband-A-2-3m-house-400-000-mortgage--Labour-leader-Ed-Millionaire.html#ixzz28WE948te

Sounds a bit of a would be posh chap :biggrin:

[andy222]

They are all the same Ded. Me and you will never catch them up we are the joe bloggs of this world Mps are in a different league you just have to accept it. You just have to vote who will represent you better if the tories are making it better for you then good fair play to you. Its personal choice at the end of the day. (Or what we have been brought up with).

[gWaPito]

I've had an above inflation pay rise every year for the last 10 years. I have not had to go on strike once to get it. I am guaranteed above inflation pay rises for the next 2 years.
For the duration of the Olympics and Paralympics I will receive bonus payments of just over £3k (some will get around £5k) for agreeing minor breeches of framework agreements.
I'm not bragging I just believe that every worker should invite Bob Crow into their workplace.

I agree with most of that although I wouldn't want Bob Crow at my workplace if the employer was on the edge of going bankrupt as was our car industry in the 70's.

Having said that since our workforce opted for the UNITE Union back in 2003 my basic salary has doubled :)

It was mentioned that Miliband's education was different from the rest of the fat wallets...maybe so but his father's influence was major in his formative years...he was no truck drivers son :)...Miliband was groomed from an early age..the Comprehensive school was all part of the master plan (reference the Mail a few weeks back :).

In the likeable stakes it looks as if they (The Unions) did pick the wrong brother but if you are finding the Labour leader's trouser bulge off putting...you definitely wont like his brother's.

[Arthur Little]

... if you are finding the Labour leader's trouser bulge off putting...

... :omg: ... Eh ...? :cwm24: ... that's being "a bit hard" :yeahthat: surely!

[Arthur Little]

...you definitely wont like his brother's.

:cwm24: ... Why NOT? I mean, who knows ... :anerikke: ... [some] of his female admirers might call 'its' > :icon_tonguew:(thinly disguised) presence, "gWaPo!" :cwm24:

[gWaPito]

:cwm24: ... Why NOT? I mean, who knows ... :anerikke: ... [some] of his female admirers might call 'its' > :icon_tonguew:(thinly disguised) presence, "gwapo!" :cwm24:

I think your good lady is putting something in your tea, Arthur

[Arthur Little]

I think your good lady is putting something in your tea, Arthur

C'mon, mate ... where's your sense of humour? I thought it merited (to quote your use of the word the other night!) at least a :laugher: ... IF not a rep!

[gWaPito]

C'mon, mate ... where's your sense of humour? I thought it merited (to quote your use of the word the other night!) at least a :laugher: ... IF not a rep!

Ok Arthur...u give me one as well ..I'll be waiting.

Actually I was referring to the ever increasing girth of his wallet...something which the socialist (I want what you got but not prepared to work for it) amongst us dislike so much

[Arthur Little]

Actually I was referring to the ever increasing girth of his wallet ...something which the socialist (I want what you got but not prepared to work for it) amongst us dislike so much

I knew you were ... but just couldn't resist seeing the funny side of your reference to his "trouser bulge". :biggrin:

[joebloggs]

Having said that since our workforce opted for the UNITE Union back in 2003 my basic salary has doubled :)

:yikes: are you a member of unite gWaPito , what would Thatcher think :icon_lol:

[gWaPito]

:yikes: are you a member of unite gWaPito , what would Thatcher think :icon_lol:

I would hope she would think I was being a responsible adult with a family to care for. In this day and age where blame and claim is rife, only a fool would be without some sort of insurance.

This is not the dreadful 70's anymore Joe...unions then were trying to get the blood out of the proverbial stone. The proof of that was when the mines and our Micky mouse car industry basically closed down overnight.

Yes, I think our Margaret would be well shuffed that the ordinary worker was getting their share of whats rightly their's, a fair share of the spoils.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[bigmarco]

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Having said that since our workforce opted for the UNITE Union back in 2003 my basic salary has doubled :)

You see COMRADE you and I are living proof that you dont need politicians to be guaranteed a decent wage for a weeks work. BROTHER all you need is a Unionised workplace to get what you deserve.
I believe that the Trades Unions contain people of all political viewpoints who understand the strengths of collective bargaining.:biggrin:

[Arthur Little]

I think our Margaret would be well shuffed that the ordinary worker was getting their share of whats rightly their's, a fair share of the spoils.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

:iagree: ... I'm sure she would be ... if she weren't a senile :oldlady:

[Arthur Little]

You see COMRADE you and I are living proof that you dont need politicians to be guaranteed a decent wage for a weeks work. BROTHER all you need is a Unionised workplace to get what you deserve.
I believe that the Trades Unions contain people of all political viewpoints who understand the strengths of collective bargaining.:biggrin:

:gp: ... also, Marco! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[bigmarco]

I would hope she would think I was being a responsible adult with a family to care for. In this day and age where blame and claim is rife, only a fool would be without some sort of insurance.

This is not the dreadful 70's anymore Joe...unions then were trying to get the blood out of the proverbial stone. The proof of that was when the mines and our Micky mouse car industry basically closed down overnight.

Yes, I think our Margaret would be well shuffed that the ordinary worker was getting their share of whats rightly their's, a fair share of the spoils.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Do you really think that Maggie would be chuffed that your helping to supply the Labour Party with 85% of it's income and that Unite more often than not is the biggest union donator. :biggrin:

[London_Manila]

This is why Crow is villified in the press. You don't have to like the mans politics but you cant argue that he fights for the working man.
We have 1000's of Bus Drivers fighting to be able to join the RMT in London because they know that their standard of living will improve.
This Austerity :censored: gets on my nerves. Expecting working people to pay for the sins of Bankers.

Of course Murdochs gutter press would have everybody believing that union members are just lefties trying to bring the country down (yawn)

Also for anybody even thinking about or daring to go on strike then they must be worst than Satan :icon_rolleyes:

They make such a big deal about union bosses getting paid over 100k (good luck to them)

Union membership is vital if we want to preserve our pay and conditions

Reading THE SUN newspaper and that guy Trevor kavanagh really winds me up
I disagree with about everything that clown says :icon_lol:

They just think that people in employment should all be lucky to have jobs and if they had their way we would all be on the minimun wage with no conditions and we could all be sacked at the drop of a hat

For most working people the wages are way too low and they have not kept pace with inflation (not even close)
Eastern Europeans seem happy to work for peanuts and with this lot falling over themselves to work for low pay then the wages are never going to rise to where they should be !

[lastlid]

I have spent my whole working life in an industry where the Trade Unions have never really been able to take a foothold (unlike in Norway where the Trade Union movement in the oil industry is very strong).

I kind of believe in the need for them but always fear the dark days of Arthur Scargill etc etc

One of the attributes of unionisation was, ironically, one that I could have done with when I got laid of in 2010 after 30 years service. A strong union might well have kept me that job. Having said that. I did get a nice payoff and it took me just 7 weeks to find another job.

[joebloggs]

You see COMRADE

:icon_lol: Comrade gWaPito, have you put money first before your Tory beliefs :wink:

[andy222]

Do you really think that Maggie would be chuffed that your helping to supply the Labour Party with 85% of it's income and that Unite more often than not is the biggest union donator. :biggrin:

This gets better. :laugher::laugher:. What have I started?:doh
On the subject of trade unions and communism I wonder how many on here have ever sat down and spoken to a communist? Instead of just believing what you read in the rags. Just my opinion.

[Manila_Paul]

Listened to Milliband make his speech today. Very interesting.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Lots of the usual social democratic language without any of the policies. If he is so concerned about inequality, as he says, then why doesn't he commit now to bringing back the 50p top rate? A very simply and small step but they won't even commit to it. They become more like the US Democrats every day. No wonder the right-wing press feel it is safe to back Labour again. Still, on balance, they probably won't screw things up quite as much as these idiots in government now. Clueless is not the word.

And I've never understood this idea that Labour have got/did not have no chance with Ed Miliband. It has been obvious since the Lib-Dems did the deal with the Tories that Labour would at least be the biggest party next time, whether Ed Miliband or Basil Brush was leader! Hell, if Lib-Dems had known pre-election then Gordon Brown would still be in Number 10 now or the very least we'd be looking at a Lab/Lib government.

Fact is, the Tories haven't won an election since 1992 and even that was a dubious (and certainly phyrric!) victory. The idea they have any chance in 2015 is absurd. They just haven't got the numbers anymore. The name is still a byword for scum for large parts of the country and the demographic of the party is seriously old. The last election was the absolute maximum push for them. They had everything in their favour and they STILL couldn't win. The best they can do is biggest party and that is unlikely to automatically equal government next time!

[Dedworth]

I kind of believe in the need for them but always fear the dark days of Arthur Scargill etc etc



He's taking the Bruvvers to court, petrified that they will remove his greedy snout from the trough :laugher:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19806014

Former miners' leader Arthur Scargill has gone to the High Court to fight an attempt by his union to stop paying the cost of his London flat.

Mr Scargill, 74, says he was given use of the rented three-bed Barbican flat for life when he became president of the National Union of Mineworkers in 1982, a tenure that lasted 20 years.

He says under the union's rental terms he should have use of it until he dies.

The NUM says maintaining the flat costs £34,000 a year, which it cannot afford.

The union paid rent and expenses for the flat - rented from the Corporation of London - until 2011, apart from a period between 1985 and 1991 when Mr Scargill paid for it himself.

[lastlid]

This gets better. :laugher::laugher:. What have I started?:doh
On the subject of trade unions and communism I wonder how many on here have ever sat down and spoken to a communist? Instead of just believing what you read in the rags. Just my opinion.

I worked with a heap of Russians back in 1980 on a couple of Russian rigs in Libya. They were okay. :xxgrinning--00xx3: Couldnt much understand a word they said, nor they what I said. We had to use an interpreter. :biggrin:

Great chess players though, all of em.

They got paid peanuts and ate a heap of cabbage stew, almost every meal.

[lastlid]

.......whether Ed Miliband or Basil Brush was leader!

Bring on Basil Brush. :icon_lol: :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[andy222]

He's taking the Bruvvers to court, petrified that they will remove his greedy snout from the trough :laugher:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19806014

Former miners' leader Arthur Scargill has gone to the High Court to fight an attempt by his union to stop paying the cost of his London flat.

Mr Scargill, 74, says he was given use of the rented three-bed Barbican flat for life when he became president of the National Union of Mineworkers in 1982, a tenure that lasted 20 years.

He says under the union's rental terms he should have use of it until he dies.

The NUM says maintaining the flat costs £34,000 a year, which it cannot afford.

The union paid rent and expenses for the flat - rented from the Corporation of London - until 2011, apart from a period between 1985 and 1991 when Mr Scargill paid for it himself.

I see cameron has ruled out a mansion tax too.

[Manila_Paul]

Bring on Basil Brush. :icon_lol: :xxgrinning--00xx3:

He'd do a better job than Osborne, for sure! :icon_lol:

[andy222]

I agree.:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:. There would be no stopping him once he gets his tail up.:laugher::laugher:

[bigmarco]

This gets better. :laugher::laugher:. What have I started?:doh
On the subject of trade unions and communism I wonder how many on here have ever sat down and spoken to a communist? Instead of just believing what you read in the rags. Just my opinion.

I think one thing we've learnt over the last couple of years Andy is that capitalism is flawed. Because when it all goes tits up they all had to run cap in hand to the Government for a bail out. This is the trouble with Capitalism they spout on about the strong survive but when they all get greedy and :censored: up the working man has to bail them out.
Who in their right mind can think it's right to impose a public sector pay freeze to pay for the mistakes of Bankers whilst at the same time continue to pay the Bankers bonuses.

[Dedworth]

This gets better. :laugher::laugher:. What have I started?:doh
On the subject of trade unions and communism I wonder how many on here have ever sat down and spoken to a communist? Instead of just believing what you read in the rags. Just my opinion.

Pre the collapse of it in Eastern Europe I spent time in East Germany, Yugoslavia & Romania that gave me a fairly good appreciation of it's evils and why we needed a strong NATO

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I see cameron has ruled out a mansion tax too.

I wonder if King Arthur pays tax on his benefit in kind - a 3 bed flat in the Barbican

[lastlid]

I think one thing we've learnt over the last couple of years Andy is that capitalism is flawed. Because when it all goes tits up they all had to run cap in hand to the Government for a bail out. This is the trouble with Capitalism they spout on about the strong survive but when they all get greedy and :censored: up the working man has to bail them out.
Who in their right mind can think it's right to impose a public sector pay freeze to pay for the mistakes of Bankers whilst at the same time continue to pay the Bankers bonuses.

I suppose all economic systems are potentially flawed. I always thought what we had in the UK, a mixed economy, was just about right, compared to some of the alternatives on offer. The best of both worlds. I suppose it's about getting the balance broadly right and refining it.

[andy222]

I think one thing we've learnt over the last couple of years Andy is that capitalism is flawed. Because when it all goes tits up they all had to run cap in hand to the Government for a bail out. This is the trouble with Capitalism they spout on about the strong survive but when they all get greedy and :censored: up the working man has to bail them out.
Who in their right mind can think it's right to impose a public sector pay freeze to pay for the mistakes of Bankers whilst at the same time continue to pay the Bankers bonuses.

I think we are on the same wavelength marko. :xxgrinning--00xx3:. I also think after the thatcher years she turned a lot of the working class into I am alright jacks. Just my opinion. Looking back before she came to power there was a community spirit.

[stevewool]

there was a community spirit.

thats been missing for a long time now, yes you do have to look after yourself and family first, but there dont seem to be anything left for anyone else, since being with Emma and making new friends the community is coming back and i put that down to our wives or partners, they know how to share the life with others whether its family or friends, that is rubbing off on me also, true friends are just as important as my family in our little community

[gWaPito]

:icon_lol: Comrade gWaPito, have you put money first before your Tory beliefs :wink:
Too right Joe:xxgrinning--00xx3:...like most honourable Members of Parliament, principles goes out the window where money is concerned:xxgrinning--00xx3:..look after number 1...makes terribly good sense:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Not sure where this comrade stuff comes from:cwm25: yiU...im only in the union for my own protection...like Marco said..you dont have to agree with there political views....the main thing is, they look after us..

Im no 'alright Jack' either...you talk about the good ol days before Maggie :cwm25:....well in those days there was shame in unemployment etc etc...now people think its a God given right to ripoff the British taxpayer..im telling you its not...we all got a moral responsibility for all our actions...be it having children..getting married even buying a new car....

Wouldn't it be nice if this were a crutchless society...just like the good ol days before our illustrious leader Maggie:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[andy222]

All I can say to that is looking after number one and im alright jack are the same in my view. I have been made redundant twice in my working days and both under thatchers rule. And I saw the interest rates go up to 16% many lost their houses. I saw her bring the poll tax in. The nail in her coffin thank god. Thats what I remember about it. Anyway I dont know what is going to happen in the future even if labour do get in power. It will be a uphill battle.

[bigmarco]

I think we are on the same wavelength marko. :xxgrinning--00xx3:. I also think after the thatcher years she turned a lot of the working class into I am alright jacks. Just my opinion. Looking back before she came to power there was a community spirit.

I find they're alright Jacks until the :censored: hits the fan for them. Trust me I've watched a few cross picket lines over the years or sneak in through the back door. But when they get into trouble mate they're on the phone demanding help.
People need to realise there's more to being in a union than paying the subs.
I know what you say about Thatcher Andy and you are right but I don't forget that not one of her anti Trades Union Laws have been repealed by succesive Labour Prime Ministers. Why the Unions continue to fund the Labour Party is beyond me.

[gWaPito]

I find they're alright Jacks until the :censored: hits the fan for them. Trust me I've watched a few cross picket lines over the years or sneak in through the back door. But when they get into trouble mate they're on the phone demanding help.
People need to realise there's more to being in a union than paying the subs.
I know what you say about Thatcher Andy and you are right but I don't forget that not one of her anti Trades Union Laws have been repealed by succesive Labour Prime Ministers. Why the Unions continue to fund the Labour Party is beyond me.

And there was me thinking picket line crossers were quaintly called scabs:wink:

If being im deemed an 'alright Jack' because of my belief that partners of able bodied folks from anywhere outside the UK should be able to support themselves without recourse to public funds before coming into our country then, so be it

[bigmarco]

And there was me thinking picket line crossers were quaintly called scabs:wink:



Ah you have to be care nowdays gWaPito. Scab is no longer considered acceptable industrial language. We had a guy sacked for using it and although he won his tribunal case the company still refused to re employ him.
However once we secured a ballot to close London down for 5 days the company swiftly saw sense and re employed him.

[andy222]

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And there was me thinking picket line crossers where quaintly called scabs :wink:

If being im deemed an 'alright Jack' because of my belief that partners of able bodied folks from anywhere outside the UK should be able to support themselves without recourse to public funds before coming into our country then, so be it
Here we go again.:doh. First you say you look after number one then you say your not a im an alright jack. Which one is it?:crazy:. Throw the shovel away mate I never mentioned anything about the minimum earnings to bring your wife into this country. And your right marko when the :censored: its the fan then they want help. And they will try and claim benefits.

[stevewool]

Scab is no longer considered acceptable industrial language.

wow i better watch my mouth at work being high up the chain of management, so t---t and you w-----r are not acceptable, even when they say it first:icon_lol::icon_lol:, to me say what you think get it off your chest and lets get back to work, sticks and stones stuff,

[lastlid]

Scab is no longer considered acceptable industrial language.

wow i better watch my mouth at work being high up the chain of management, so t---t and you w-----r are not acceptable, even when they say it first:icon_lol::icon_lol:, to me say what you think get it off your chest and lets get back to work, sticks and stones stuff,

And you aren't allowed to tell someone at work to foxtrot oscar.

[gWaPito]

And you aren't allowed to tell someone at work to foxtrot oscar. but you can on this forum, apparently :NoNo:

[andy222]

I guess you must have upset somebody then.:laugher:

[gWaPito]

I guess you must have upset somebody then.:laugher:

How times change...looks as if we've been inundated with socialists where wealth and self created good fortune are filthy words...Citizen Smith lives on...

You say you met my type before well, I have certainly met your type on many occasion.

Take a leaf out of Steve's book and get on your bike ..in Steve's case he got on a plane to China...these are the few examples you should follow...channel your energies into something productive.

The situation isn't gonna change for many a year now no matter how much you get on your MP's case....think of number 1.

[bigmarco]

How times change...looks as if we've been inundated with socialists where wealth and self created good fortune are filthy words...Citizen Smith lives on...

You say you met my type before well, I have certainly met your type on many occasion.

Take a leaf out of Steve's book and get on your bike ..in Steve's case he got on a plane to China...these are the few examples you should follow...channel your energies into something productive.

The situation isn't gonna change for many a year now no matter how much you get on your MP's case....think of number 1.

Personally speaking Gwapito I have nothing against wealth creation or people who've done well for themselves unless of course they've walked all over others to get there.
I do have a serious problem though when you ask ordinary working people to pick up the bill when everything goes tits up.
My blood boils when I hear another round of Bankers Bonuses being handed out while Public Sector workers have a pay freeze imposed.
BTW I love Citizen Smith and he wasn't a socialist he was an Urban Guerilla. Power to the People :biggrin:

[andy222]

How times change...looks as if we've been inundated with socialists where wealth and self created good fortune are filthy words...Citizen Smith lives on...

You say you met my type before well, I have certainly met your type on many occasion.

Take a leaf out of Steve's book and get on your bike ..in Steve's case he got on a plane to China...these are the few examples you should follow...channel your energies into something productive.

The situation isn't gonna change for many a year now no matter how much you get on your MP's case....think of number 1.
Oh your talking about steve your buddy?. How do you know what I am like?. Yes I stick up for workers rights. From your posts I can see your a hypocrite. And I wont do as you say and go to china. What gives you the right to dictate to me? All I want is the same opportunity that you was given and that is to bring my wife here. Now your showing your true colours.

[gWaPito]

Personally speaking Gwapito I have nothing against wealth creation or people who've done well for themselves unless of course they've walked all over others to get there.
I do have a serious problem though when you ask ordinary working people to pick up the bill when everything goes tits up.
My blood boils when I hear another round of Bankers Bonuses being handed out while Public Sector workers have a pay freeze imposed.
BTW I love Citizen Smith and he wasn't a socialist he was an Urban Guerilla. Power to the People :biggrin:

Marco...your views are balanced and I respect and agree with most of what you post.

Llike most where I work we join the union for our own protection and the Unite Union have done us proud.

I do hope George sticks to his word...I was reading about it earlier today, heartwarming stuff I must say....although, over the years we've heard it all before..nothing ever comes of it.

Another thing that puzzles me is why some folks assume that the house of cards will eventually tumble all because they've worked hard at something worthwhile all there lives......in my eyes that's purely negative thinking...if one thinks like that why bother about anything.

' Power to the people' surely is a socialist saying:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

Oh your talking about steve your buddy?. How do you know what I am like?. Yes I stick up for workers rights. From your posts I can see your a hypocrit. And I wont do as you say and go to china. What gives you the right to dictate to me? All I want is the same opportunity that you was given and that is to bring my wife here. Now your showing your true colours.
'Hypocrite'...I can assure you I stand by what I say.

Even you buddy frm the Isle Of Dogs can vouch for that...I've left a paper trail all the way from June when this all started...I suggest you read my posts again...then again then, I dare you to call me a hypocrite.

Good day.

[andy222]

:laugher::laugher:.

[joebloggs]

Take a leaf out of Steve's book and get on your bike ..in Steve's case he got on a plane to China...

i dont know if he went to China because he wasn't earning £18.6k so he couldn't bring his wife here, i thought he found a job in China that he wanted to do :Erm:

Steve where r u :icon_rolleyes:

[gWaPito]

i dont know if he went to China because he wasn't earning £18.6k so he couldn't bring his wife here, i thought he found a job in China that he wanted to do :Erm:

Steve where r u :icon_rolleyes:

Either way..Steve's done something about it...no fuss no tears

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[stevewool]

Steve where r u :icon_rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

here i am:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

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god its sound like something from EASTENDERS, but saying that i dont watch it grow up the lot of yer, all we can do is what is right for ourselves and if that works maybe past it on to others,where theres a will theres away, also steve went to china to get away from this thread:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[andy222]

Your right steve I was just putting the hypocrit into his place.:icon_lol:

[gWaPito]

Your right steve I was just putting the hypocrit into his place.:icon_lol:
You put me in my place ha!
Fool :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Btw...nobody is obliged to read anything here ..'you dont like'.dont read

[Terpe]

Here we go again another useful thread turning to personal insults rather than reasoned discussion.

Please do continue everyone and see the thread closed.

[Steve.r]

I have just seen my name floating about and had a read of the thread.

On my personal situation I found the whole thing in the Uk as getting out of hand, whoever is in charge. New rules for one omits others and their rights to a family life, the growing red tape to try to weave your way through to get your loved one here, the increasing prices of the visas, the way we are ripped off at every turn by our government. I had just had enough. I wanted to bring my wife and son here to the Uk, have the benefits that it brings, but what sort of life it is these days? is there 'real' quality of life? I think we have lost sight of reality and values; we pinch here to save there. I had just had enough.

For a long time I have been saying to my friends here that my long term plan was to move to Phils, and this still stands. But like many who are thinking about such a move the reality is (especially for those who are still relatively young and working) that you still need a job or how can you live? I was not fortunate enough to keep my house when i got divorced so have no property to take a rented income from, so that was a non starter. As for my job in the Uk, I was in fact over the limit of £18,600. My lifestyle was minimal as I lived with my parents, but I still have to maintain my family in Phils. Saving for flights, running my family in Phils and all other expenses leaves you with very little to save, and like most you live from pay day to pay day. This is what I needed to change.

I have been very fortunate, my plan has worked. I decided to try to find an alternative way of being together with my family and still make money and be together with them. I (through a friend) was introduced to a company in Germany who needed managers in China. Bingo!! I was offered the job, without an interview and here I am now.
The beauty of this position is that the money I am on is 4 times more than I was earning in the Uk, which means I can save for that rainy day or invest in the future. Being here 'is' the dream job I have always wanted and although I feel out of my depth sometimes, I need the challenges it brings. But most of all I am now only 2.5 hours flight away from my family in Phils. There are no restrictions for my wife to come to China to be with me, no silly 'learn English rules', no red tape, no proof of relationship, proof of income blah blah blah!!!
In the next week or so I am going to be hunting for an apartment exactly for this purpose and then I hope that within the month I will be together with my beautiful wife and son.

I really think that the British system is failing, making rules to stop a loving relationship because you earn less than someone else is just crazy. Like I said, I was lucky enough to be over the limit but how can this be right?? My move was driven by the desire NOT to be in the Uk anymore because I can’t handle the day to day rubbish and bullying big brother aspect of life, I don’t like the way we are hearded by the media and whipped up into a frenzy over the latest star’s comments or sensationalised stories and photos of bare royal flesh. Grow up Uk...get a life!!
The most important thing for me is to look after number one, by that I mean myself and my family. My move gives me the freedom to do what I like, when I like and where I like. I am not dictated to by an over baring nanny state. We make our own destiny and at least I am trying my best to make my one shot at life the best for us all.

I hope that clarifies the situation. And guys, PLEASE keep it civil... I still wave a big axe even here in China
Steve

By the way Lastlid, you have a cute baby :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[fred]

Ed Miliband walks into a bank to cash a cheque. “Good morning”, says Ed, “could you please cash this cheque for me?”



Cashier: “It would be my pleasure Sir, but could you please show me some identification?”



Miliband: “Truthfully… I did not bring my ID with me as I didn’t think there was any need to. But hang on! I’m Ed Miliband, Leader of the Opposition and of the Labour Party!!!”

...

Cashier: ““Yes Sir, I know who you are, but with all the regulations and monitoring of the banks because of impostors and forgers etc, I must insist on seeing some identification”.



Miliband: “Just ask any of the customers here at the bank who I am and they will tell you. Everybody knows who I am!”



Cashier: “I’m sorry Sir, but these are the bank rules and I must follow them”.



Miliband: “I am urging you please, to cash this cheque for me”.



Cashier: “Look Sir, this is what we can do. One day Colin Montgomery came into the bank without any ID. To prove he was Colin Montgomery he pulled out his putter and putted a ball along the floor and into a small cup. With that sort of skill we knew it was Colin Montgomery and we cashed his cheque. On another occasion, Andy Murray came in without any ID. He pulled out his tennis racquet and lobbed a tennis ball straight into my teacup with such a spectacular shot that we all knew it was Andy Murray and we cashed his cheque. So Sir, what can you do to prove that it is you and only you, as the Leader of the Opposition?”



Ed Miliband stood there thinking and thinking and then finally says, “To be honest, there is nothing that comes to my mind. I can’t think of a single thing that I’m any good at.”



Cashier: “Will it be large or small notes you require Mr Miliband?”

[fred]

Steve`s great escape.
Well planned and executed.. Congrats once again on your well managed departure from the U.K.:xxgrinning--00xx3:






I have just seen my name floating about and had a read of the thread.

On my personal situation I found the whole thing in the Uk as getting out of hand, whoever is in charge. New rules for one omits others and their rights to a family life, the growing red tape to try to weave your way through to get your loved one here, the increasing prices of the visas, the way we are ripped off at every turn by our government. I had just had enough. I wanted to bring my wife and son here to the Uk, have the benefits that it brings, but what sort of life it is these days? is there 'real' quality of life? I think we have lost sight of reality and values; we pinch here to save there. I had just had enough.

For a long time I have been saying to my friends here that my long term plan was to move to Phils, and this still stands. But like many who are thinking about such a move the reality is (especially for those who are still relatively young and working) that you still need a job or how can you live? I was not fortunate enough to keep my house when i got divorced so have no property to take a rented income from, so that was a non starter. As for my job in the Uk, I was in fact over the limit of £18,600. My lifestyle was minimal as I lived with my parents, but I still have to maintain my family in Phils. Saving for flights, running my family in Phils and all other expenses leaves you with very little to save, and like most you live from pay day to pay day. This is what I needed to change.

I have been very fortunate, my plan has worked. I decided to try to find an alternative way of being together with my family and still make money and be together with them. I (through a friend) was introduced to a company in Germany who needed managers in China. Bingo!! I was offered the job, without an interview and here I am now.
The beauty of this position is that the money I am on is 4 times more than I was earning in the Uk, which means I can save for that rainy day or invest in the future. Being here 'is' the dream job I have always wanted and although I feel out of my depth sometimes, I need the challenges it brings. But most of all I am now only 2.5 hours flight away from my family in Phils. There are no restrictions for my wife to come to China to be with me, no silly 'learn English rules', no red tape, no proof of relationship, proof of income blah blah blah!!!
In the next week or so I am going to be hunting for an apartment exactly for this purpose and then I hope that within the month I will be together with my beautiful wife and son.

I really think that the British system is failing, making rules to stop a loving relationship because you earn less than someone else is just crazy. Like I said, I was lucky enough to be over the limit but how can this be right?? My move was driven by the desire NOT to be in the Uk anymore because I can’t handle the day to day rubbish and bullying big brother aspect of life, I don’t like the way we are hearded by the media and whipped up into a frenzy over the latest star’s comments or sensationalised stories and photos of bare royal flesh. Grow up Uk...get a life!!
The most important thing for me is to look after number one, by that I mean myself and my family. My move gives me the freedom to do what I like, when I like and where I like. I am not dictated to by an over baring nanny state. We make our own destiny and at least I am trying my best to make my one shot at life the best for us all.

I hope that clarifies the situation. And guys, PLEASE keep it civil... I still wave a big axe even here in China
Steve

By the way Lastlid, you have a cute baby :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[andy222]

Cant argue with you steve if I had the chance I would be out of here.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[jake]

Steve,
Great post. Had similar thoughts 20 years ago and moved to Asia. Have never regretted my decision.

[lastlid]

By the way Lastlid, you have a cute baby :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

Good post Steve. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Same reason I went to work in Hong Kong.

Upon reflection...wished I'd stayed there. :icon_rolleyes:

[raynaputi]

Ed Miliband walks into a bank to cash a cheque. “Good morning”, says Ed, “could you please cash this cheque for me?”

Cashier: “It would be my pleasure Sir, but could you please show me some identification?”

Miliband: “Truthfully… I did not bring my ID with me as I didn’t think there was any need to. But hang on! I’m Ed Miliband, Leader of the Opposition and of the Labour Party!!!”

...

Cashier: ““Yes Sir, I know who you are, but with all the regulations and monitoring of the banks because of impostors and forgers etc, I must insist on seeing some identification”.

Miliband: “Just ask any of the customers here at the bank who I am and they will tell you. Everybody knows who I am!”

Cashier: “I’m sorry Sir, but these are the bank rules and I must follow them”.

Miliband: “I am urging you please, to cash this cheque for me”.

Cashier: “Look Sir, this is what we can do. One day Colin Montgomery came into the bank without any ID. To prove he was Colin Montgomery he pulled out his putter and putted a ball along the floor and into a small cup. With that sort of skill we knew it was Colin Montgomery and we cashed his cheque. On another occasion, Andy Murray came in without any ID. He pulled out his tennis racquet and lobbed a tennis ball straight into my teacup with such a spectacular shot that we all knew it was Andy Murray and we cashed his cheque. So Sir, what can you do to prove that it is you and only you, as the Leader of the Opposition?”

Ed Miliband stood there thinking and thinking and then finally says, “To be honest, there is nothing that comes to my mind. I can’t think of a single thing that I’m any good at.”

Cashier: “Will it be large or small notes you require Mr Miliband?”

:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

[raynaputi]

I have just seen my name floating about and had a read of the thread.

On my personal situation I found the whole thing in the Uk as getting out of hand, whoever is in charge. New rules for one omits others and their rights to a family life, the growing red tape to try to weave your way through to get your loved one here, the increasing prices of the visas, the way we are ripped off at every turn by our government. I had just had enough. I wanted to bring my wife and son here to the Uk, have the benefits that it brings, but what sort of life it is these days? is there 'real' quality of life? I think we have lost sight of reality and values; we pinch here to save there. I had just had enough.

For a long time I have been saying to my friends here that my long term plan was to move to Phils, and this still stands. But like many who are thinking about such a move the reality is (especially for those who are still relatively young and working) that you still need a job or how can you live? I was not fortunate enough to keep my house when i got divorced so have no property to take a rented income from, so that was a non starter. As for my job in the Uk, I was in fact over the limit of £18,600. My lifestyle was minimal as I lived with my parents, but I still have to maintain my family in Phils. Saving for flights, running my family in Phils and all other expenses leaves you with very little to save, and like most you live from pay day to pay day. This is what I needed to change.

I have been very fortunate, my plan has worked. I decided to try to find an alternative way of being together with my family and still make money and be together with them. I (through a friend) was introduced to a company in Germany who needed managers in China. Bingo!! I was offered the job, without an interview and here I am now.
The beauty of this position is that the money I am on is 4 times more than I was earning in the Uk, which means I can save for that rainy day or invest in the future. Being here 'is' the dream job I have always wanted and although I feel out of my depth sometimes, I need the challenges it brings. But most of all I am now only 2.5 hours flight away from my family in Phils. There are no restrictions for my wife to come to China to be with me, no silly 'learn English rules', no red tape, no proof of relationship, proof of income blah blah blah!!!
In the next week or so I am going to be hunting for an apartment exactly for this purpose and then I hope that within the month I will be together with my beautiful wife and son.

I really think that the British system is failing, making rules to stop a loving relationship because you earn less than someone else is just crazy. Like I said, I was lucky enough to be over the limit but how can this be right?? My move was driven by the desire NOT to be in the Uk anymore because I can’t handle the day to day rubbish and bullying big brother aspect of life, I don’t like the way we are hearded by the media and whipped up into a frenzy over the latest star’s comments or sensationalised stories and photos of bare royal flesh. Grow up Uk...get a life!!
The most important thing for me is to look after number one, by that I mean myself and my family. My move gives me the freedom to do what I like, when I like and where I like. I am not dictated to by an over baring nanny state. We make our own destiny and at least I am trying my best to make my one shot at life the best for us all.

I hope that clarifies the situation. And guys, PLEASE keep it civil... I still wave a big axe even here in China
Steve

By the way Lastlid, you have a cute baby :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Good for you Steve..:xxgrinning--00xx3: and very nice to know you still wave that big axe :icon_lol:

[Steve.r]

Thank you for your replies guys, it has been a long road but I just never gave up on my dreams. If I can stay here for the next ten years I will be more than happy. My home and heart is in Asia.

And Graham, you are still free to return to working in Asia, give it a go :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

My move was driven by the desire NOT to be in the Uk anymore because I can’t handle the day to day rubbish and bullying big brother aspect of life, I don’t like the way we are hearded by the media and whipped up into a frenzy over the latest star’s comments or sensationalised stories and photos of bare royal flesh. Grow up Uk...get a life!!

and you moved to china :biggrin: the worlds biggest bully :NoNo:

good things are working out for you Steve thou :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[bigmarco]

I have just seen my name floating about and had a read of the thread.

On my personal situation I found the whole thing in the Uk as getting out of hand, whoever is in charge. New rules for one omits others and their rights to a family life, the growing red tape to try to weave your way through to get your loved one here, the increasing prices of the visas, the way we are ripped off at every turn by our government. I had just had enough. I wanted to bring my wife and son here to the Uk, have the benefits that it brings, but what sort of life it is these days? is there 'real' quality of life? I think we have lost sight of reality and values; we pinch here to save there. I had just had enough.

For a long time I have been saying to my friends here that my long term plan was to move to Phils, and this still stands. But like many who are thinking about such a move the reality is (especially for those who are still relatively young and working) that you still need a job or how can you live? I was not fortunate enough to keep my house when i got divorced so have no property to take a rented income from, so that was a non starter. As for my job in the Uk, I was in fact over the limit of £18,600. My lifestyle was minimal as I lived with my parents, but I still have to maintain my family in Phils. Saving for flights, running my family in Phils and all other expenses leaves you with very little to save, and like most you live from pay day to pay day. This is what I needed to change.

I have been very fortunate, my plan has worked. I decided to try to find an alternative way of being together with my family and still make money and be together with them. I (through a friend) was introduced to a company in Germany who needed managers in China. Bingo!! I was offered the job, without an interview and here I am now.
The beauty of this position is that the money I am on is 4 times more than I was earning in the Uk, which means I can save for that rainy day or invest in the future. Being here 'is' the dream job I have always wanted and although I feel out of my depth sometimes, I need the challenges it brings. But most of all I am now only 2.5 hours flight away from my family in Phils. There are no restrictions for my wife to come to China to be with me, no silly 'learn English rules', no red tape, no proof of relationship, proof of income blah blah blah!!!
In the next week or so I am going to be hunting for an apartment exactly for this purpose and then I hope that within the month I will be together with my beautiful wife and son.

I really think that the British system is failing, making rules to stop a loving relationship because you earn less than someone else is just crazy. Like I said, I was lucky enough to be over the limit but how can this be right?? My move was driven by the desire NOT to be in the Uk anymore because I can’t handle the day to day rubbish and bullying big brother aspect of life, I don’t like the way we are hearded by the media and whipped up into a frenzy over the latest star’s comments or sensationalised stories and photos of bare royal flesh. Grow up Uk...get a life!!
The most important thing for me is to look after number one, by that I mean myself and my family. My move gives me the freedom to do what I like, when I like and where I like. I am not dictated to by an over baring nanny state. We make our own destiny and at least I am trying my best to make my one shot at life the best for us all.

I hope that clarifies the situation. And guys, PLEASE keep it civil... I still wave a big axe even here in China
Steve

By the way Lastlid, you have a cute baby :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I salute your courage and determination Steve and hope everything continues to work out well for you :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Steve.r]

and you moved to china :biggrin: the worlds biggest bully :NoNo:

good things are working out for you Steve thou :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Thanks Joe, I guess you are right in that aspect, but from what I have seen, the people are happy and have a reasonable quality of life. There are of course huge divides between rich and poor, but I have not seen any people living rough and definitely no slums.


I salute your courage and determination Steve and hope everything continues to work out well for you :xxgrinning--00xx3:
Cheers Marco I appreciate your kind words :smile:

[stevewool]

fantastic steve, we shall see you sooner then later if you still have your place in Bongabon, great write up, life is going very well for you and just like you say you are closer to your family, all what you say is true about being here and number 1 too, i give myself till i am 60 hope to be here that long

[Steve.r]

fantastic steve, we shall see you sooner then later if you still have your place in Bongabon, great write up, life is going very well for you and just like you say you are closer to your family, all what you say is true about being here and number 1 too, i give myself till i am 60 hope to be here that long

Cheers Steve, I know you have your plans and it takes time to see them through. But we wont be moving from Bongabon any time soon, so I hope to share a few beers at ours one day buddy. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

I have just seen my name floating about and had a read of the thread.

On my personal situation I found the whole thing in the Uk as getting out of hand, whoever is in charge. New rules for one omits others and their rights to a family life, the growing red tape to try to weave your way through to get your loved one here, the increasing prices of the visas, the way we are ripped off at every turn by our government. I had just had enough. I wanted to bring my wife and son here to the Uk, have the benefits that it brings, but what sort of life it is these days? is there 'real' quality of life? I think we have lost sight of reality and values; we pinch here to save there. I had just had enough.

For a long time I have been saying to my friends here that my long term plan was to move to Phils, and this still stands. But like many who are thinking about such a move the reality is (especially for those who are still relatively young and working) that you still need a job or how can you live? I was not fortunate enough to keep my house when i got divorced so have no property to take a rented income from, so that was a non starter. As for my job in the Uk, I was in fact over the limit of £18,600. My lifestyle was minimal as I lived with my parents, but I still have to maintain my family in Phils. Saving for flights, running my family in Phils and all other expenses leaves you with very little to save, and like most you live from pay day to pay day. This is what I needed to change.

I have been very fortunate, my plan has worked. I decided to try to find an alternative way of being together with my family and still make money and be together with them. I (through a friend) was introduced to a company in Germany who needed managers in China. Bingo!! I was offered the job, without an interview and here I am now.
The beauty of this position is that the money I am on is 4 times more than I was earning in the Uk, which means I can save for that rainy day or invest in the future. Being here 'is' the dream job I have always wanted and although I feel out of my depth sometimes, I need the challenges it brings. But most of all I am now only 2.5 hours flight away from my family in Phils. There are no restrictions for my wife to come to China to be with me, no silly 'learn English rules', no red tape, no proof of relationship, proof of income blah blah blah!!!
In the next week or so I am going to be hunting for an apartment exactly for this purpose and then I hope that within the month I will be together with my beautiful wife and son.

I really think that the British system is failing, making rules to stop a loving relationship because you earn less than someone else is just crazy. Like I said, I was lucky enough to be over the limit but how can this be right?? My move was driven by the desire NOT to be in the Uk anymore because I can’t handle the day to day rubbish and bullying big brother aspect of life, I don’t like the way we are hearded by the media and whipped up into a frenzy over the latest star’s comments or sensationalised stories and photos of bare royal flesh. Grow up Uk...get a life!!
The most important thing for me is to look after number one, by that I mean myself and my family. My move gives me the freedom to do what I like, when I like and where I like. I am not dictated to by an over baring nanny state. We make our own destiny and at least I am trying my best to make my one shot at life the best for us all.

I hope that clarifies the situation. And guys, PLEASE keep it civil... I still wave a big axe even here in China
Steve

By the way Lastlid, you have a cute baby :xxgrinning--00xx3:
Massive respect Steve....you're right of course, you have to do the right thing for your family which is what I've always done.

It takes courage to do what you've done.....I did something similar back in late 80's working for a French outfit based in department 33.

Truly hope it all works out for you Steve.

Best wishes
Mark :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[lastlid]

I have travelled all my life for work. Since 1979. Norman Tebbit would have been proud of me. But I don't think it is always the right solution for everybody and neither should it be. Imagine if we all travelled in the same way, the country would be in chaos :biggrin:
It is of course great that Steve has found a solution that suits him and one that perhaps Steve skills are suited to. But such a move might not suit everyone in the same way.

As a reminder of Norman Tebbits advice:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/7858570/Norman-Tebbit-my-father-got-on-his-bike-to-look-for-a-job.html

[Arthur Little]

:smile: All best wishes - as always - Steve. Excellent post ... and GOOD ON YOU, my friend. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Steve.r]

I have travelled all my life for work. Since 1979. Norman Tebbit would have been proud of me. But I don't think it is always the right solution for everybody and neither should it be. Imagine if we all travelled in the same way, the country would be in chaos :biggrin:
It is of course great that Steve has found a solution that suits him and one that perhaps Steve skills are suited to. But such a move might not suit everyone in the same way.

As a reminder of Norman Tebbits advice:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/7858570/Norman-Tebbit-my-father-got-on-his-bike-to-look-for-a-job.html

I strongly agree, it iis not for everyone and nor should it be. Leaving your home country is tough as you are leaving your security behind you. Our chosen paths to wed foreign ladies makes us different to the norm, but our rights in this matter have been restricted due to greedy governments out for a swift buck.
Many of my friends here have been able to bring their wives to the uk and I congratulate all who have persevered and made it. This was going to be my path had I not been lucky enough to get this job. But for those of us (and there are a few here on the forum) who have led expat lives will know the 'draw' of living in another country and the benefits it can bring. It also gives you the insight into how we are nannied and bullied and led and ripped off at every turn in the Uk without even realising it.

Who knows, I might have to come back, but I will make the most of my time here and fight to stay away from the uk :smile:

[grahamw48]

Thank you for your replies guys, it has been a long road but I just never gave up on my dreams. If I can stay here for the next ten years I will be more than happy. My home and heart is in Asia.

And Graham, you are still free to return to working in Asia, give it a go :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Just let me know when you need a Valet. :biggrin:

I do have some teaching experience and a TEFL certificate, but it's about 20 years old.

Also I believe there is an age limit of 55 years for work permits in China.:cwm25:

[andy222]

I strongly agree, it iis not for everyone and nor should it be. Leaving your home country is tough as you are leaving your security behind you. Our chosen paths to wed foreign ladies makes us different to the norm, but our rights in this matter have been restricted due to greedy governments out for a swift buck.
Many of my friends here have been able to bring their wives to the uk and I congratulate all who have persevered and made it. This was going to be my path had I not been lucky enough to get this job. But for those of us (and there are a few here on the forum) who have led expat lives will know the 'draw' of living in another country and the benefits it can bring. It also gives you the insight into how we are nannied and bullied and led and ripped off at every turn in the Uk without even realising it.

Who knows, I might have to come back, but I will make the most of my time here and fight to stay away from the uk :smile:

Fair play to you steve if only I was younger I would do the same. You dont want to come back here and I agree this is rip off britain. Like graham said there is a age limit on many countries now. It makes it impossible to get out of here. I have skills there is loads of jobs in america for me but my age is against me.:doh

[lastlid]

Same in the middle east. Places like Saudi have a similar age limit.

[andy222]

I wouldnt fancy the middle east mate. I think I would give that a big miss. I guess the money is ok but too many restrictions.

[lastlid]

I wouldnt fancy the middle east mate. I think I would give that a big miss. I guess the money is ok but too many restrictions.

Yeah. Not allowed a bacon sarnie there, for one thing. :biggrin:

[andy222]

Yeah. Not allowed a bacon sarnie there, for one thing. :biggrin:
You wont be allowed a bacon sarnie here soon.:icon_lol:

[lastlid]

You wont be allowed a bacon sarnie here soon.:icon_lol:

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[stevewool]

You wont be allowed a bacon sarnie here soon.:icon_lol:

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[Dedworth]

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[Steve.r]

It's surprising the freedoms within the middle east, I was in Saudi for a couple of years too and found it a great place. There was more alcohol than you could (shiek) shake a stick at and you could buy bacon or a nice piece of 'flat nose' in various places.
As for age restrictions, some of the guys I worked with were the walking dead, many well over retirement age. Also, there is no restriction for age on a 'business' trip :wink:

[fred]

Just had a quick shifty here regards China work visa requirements...Cant see any age restrictions what so ever.
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/embassy/visa/work.htm

[grahamw48]

I read it on an English teaching site.:Erm: