FLR(M) Advice Please!

[smileyangel]

Good day everyone! :Wave: I came to UK holding a Visa Marriage on 16 July 2012. It’s exactly been a month now since me and my hubby got married. We reviewed the form we got and it’s actually quite confusing specially the documents we need to supply. We intend to submit my application by post by mid of October. So we just needed some questions & clarifications to be sure:
1.) Is this the right and updated form that we needed to fill out? Version 09/2012? http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/applicationforms/flr/formflrm1020091.pdf
2.) For the guidance note, version 07/2012?
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/applicationforms/flr/guideflrm1020091.pdf
3.) With PAYMENT DETAILS question #3 (Applicant’s full name), what should I use perhaps? My maiden or married name? :Erm:
4.) I lodged my marriage visa application April 19, 2012, visa valid from 1 June 2012 – 16 Dec 2012 so I suppose I am under old rules. So am I right that I can skip Section 7A- Financial Requirement and just proceed to Section 7B- Maintenance?
5.) My husband is worried if his passport is still acceptable since it will expire on 06 March 2013 just 5 months from now. Is that okay perhaps? :Erm:
6.) For Section 12- Documents, do we really need to supply 6 items of correspondence? It’s quite confusing for them to say that we need 6 correspondence addressed to us jointly or in both our names, since my visa is valid only for 6 months and could not work either. :doh The only acceptable correspondence we can supply them with both our names in it is the Council Tax, is it enough? We don’t have any joint bank account yet either. Also, we just visited NHS for my registration and still waiting for them to contact me for schedule.
7.) Do we also need to provide them with our wedding pics?

These are the documents we could submit. I hope some of you will be generous to share what they have submitted. I will appreciate it very much.
Marriage Certificate
Both our passports
Passport Size Photos (2 for me & 1 for him) with our full names on the back of it
English Test Results
Husband’s latest Bank Statements *
Husband’s latest Payslips*
Council Tax*
Electricity/Gas Bill statements*
Water Bills*
Mortgage Statements*
Telephone Bills*
TV Licensing*

*How many months of statements are enough to submit?

Please enlighten us. Thank you! :Help1::Help1::Help1::thankyou:

Regards to all of you :blowkiss:

[bigmac]

hello Smileyangel.

i'm most confused reading your post.

did you come over with a 6 month marriage visa? if so--what exactly are you applying for now?

i'm most interested in reading expert comments about this.

[smileyangel]

My apology if it was confusing for you bigmac. Yes I came over here with 6 month marriage visa. Right now I am applying for FLR (Further Leave to Remain)

[bigmac]

wow--now i really am all ears and eyes

[bigmac]

any opinion on this thread--from anyone with expertise here--would be greatly appreciated.

[stevewool]

i am confused too, but here goes, did you get married here or in the phils

[bigmac]

" I came to UK holding a Visa Marriage on 16 July 2012. It’s exactly been a month now since me and my hubby got married. "

[stevewool]

read that but from july 16th to today is more then 1 month, do you mean you came her on a fiancee visa and got married here 1 month ago

[bigmac]

thats how i read it--does this mean the lady is about to burn 800 odd quid?

or am i missing something here?

[raynaputi]

Err..I don't know what's confusing to you guys..:Erm: She came here in the UK on 16th July 2012 under Fiancee Visa (Visa Marriage is what it says in the passport which is the same)..she and her hubby got married last month...and they're preparing the docs to apply for FLR(M)..

[bigmac]

am i being thick here--she came in on a 6 month fiancee visa---which--as i understand it--means she has to leave the UK within the 6 month timeframe?

i was under the impression it wasnt possible to apply for FLR from that type of short-term visa--?

if ive got that wrong--wheres the problem for the rest of us?

[raynaputi]

am i being thick here--she came in on a 6 month fiancee visa---which--as i understand it--means she has to leave the UK within the 6 month timeframe?

i was under the impression it wasnt possible to apply for FLR from that type of short-term visa--?

if ive got that wrong--wheres the problem for the rest of us?

She doesn't have to return to the Philippines..Fiancee visa is for her to get married here and all she has to do is apply FLR(M) to extend her stay for 5 years under the new rules. If she has a 6month visit visa, she can't get married and extend her stay here..I think you're confusing it with that kind of visa. Fiancee visa is a type of Settlement Visa.

[bigmac]

the lady wrote:
"My apology if it was confusing for you bigmac. Yes I came over here with 6 month marriage visa. "

i do wish someone really knowledgeable could rock up and take over here

[raynaputi]

Marriage Visa is the same as Fiancee Visa..in the passport, the stamped visa states "VISA MARRIAGE" which lasts only 6 months..I know as that's what it says in my passport too..I entered here in the UK last year under Fiancee Visa. In the online application form, it also states under Settlement Visa category "VISA FOR MARRIAGE". I think you need to go to UKBA website and read all about these kinds of visa.

[Terpe]

am i being thick here--she came in on a 6 month fiancee visa---which--as i understand it--means she has to leave the UK within the 6 month timeframe?

i was under the impression it wasnt possible to apply for FLR from that type of short-term visa--?

if ive got that wrong--wheres the problem for the rest of us?

No.

The Fiance(e) visa is granted to those applicants who intend to marry (or to form a civil partnership) with British citizens and settled persons of the UK, and who want to settle permanently in the UK after the marriage or civil partnership.

A successful Fiance(e) visa application will result in being granted permission to enter and to remain in the UK for a period not exceeding 6 months.
During this time you will be expected to actually get married, or register your civil partnership and to subsequently make application for FLR (Further Leave to Remain) here as the husband, wife or civil partner of a British citizen or settled person.

Until FLR(M) is granted by UKBA, the fiance(e) is not allowed to work.
There is also no access allowed to any public funds until Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR) is granted.

After the couple have married or registered their civil partnership, they can apply for permission to remain here as the husband, wife or civil partner of a British citizen or settled person.
This is known as Further Leave to Remain (FLR) and when granted under the new rules allows you to remain for 30 months and is the starting point for your 60 month (5 year) journey towards settlement (ILR)

Under the 'old rules' the granting of FLR will allow you to remain for 24 months.. At this time the holder can apply for ILR

[bigmac]

it would be helpful if smily angel would tell us exactly what visa she acquired--and what the fee was--because right now i'm just about as confused as it can get.

[stevewool]

it would be helpful if smily angel would tell us exactly what visa she acquired--and what the fee was--because right now i'm just about as confused as it can get.

calm down calm down

[Terpe]

Good day everyone! :Wave: I came to UK holding a Visa Marriage on 16 July 2012. It’s exactly been a month now since me and my hubby got married. We reviewed the form we got and it’s actually quite confusing specially the documents we need to supply. We intend to submit my application by post by mid of October. So we just needed some questions & clarifications to be sure:
1.) Is this the right and updated form that we needed to fill out? Version 09/2012? http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/applicationforms/flr/formflrm1020091.pdf
2.) For the guidance note, version 07/2012?
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/applicationforms/flr/guideflrm1020091.pdf
3.) With PAYMENT DETAILS question #3 (Applicant’s full name), what should I use perhaps? My maiden or married name? :Erm:
4.) I lodged my marriage visa application April 19, 2012, visa valid from 1 June 2012 – 16 Dec 2012 so I suppose I am under old rules. So am I right that I can skip Section 7A- Financial Requirement and just proceed to Section 7B- Maintenance?
5.) My husband is worried if his passport is still acceptable since it will expire on 06 March 2013 just 5 months from now. Is that okay perhaps? :Erm:
6.) For Section 12- Documents, do we really need to supply 6 items of correspondence? It’s quite confusing for them to say that we need 6 correspondence addressed to us jointly or in both our names, since my visa is valid only for 6 months and could not work either. :doh The only acceptable correspondence we can supply them with both our names in it is the Council Tax, is it enough? We don’t have any joint bank account yet either. Also, we just visited NHS for my registration and still waiting for them to contact me for schedule.
7.) Do we also need to provide them with our wedding pics?

These are the documents we could submit. I hope some of you will be generous to share what they have submitted. I will appreciate it very much.
Marriage Certificate
Both our passports
Passport Size Photos (2 for me & 1 for him) with our full names on the back of it
English Test Results
Husband’s latest Bank Statements *
Husband’s latest Payslips*
Council Tax*
Electricity/Gas Bill statements*
Water Bills*
Mortgage Statements*
Telephone Bills*
TV Licensing*

*How many months of statements are enough to submit?

Please enlighten us. Thank you! :Help1::Help1::Help1::thankyou:

Regards to all of you :blowkiss:

1. Yes that's the correct form and version

2. Yes that's the correct guide version

3. On the forms you must use the name that is indicated in your passport.

4. Yes, you are under old rules. So skip 7A and go to 7B

5. That's not going to be a problem for your application. Do bear in mind that the FLR process may take 6 months. So If your husband needs his passport during that period he may be better for hime to consider renewing it now and to consider following note 6 on the form.

6. That section 12c does not apply to you. That only applies to unmarried or same-sex partner

If you are applying as an unmarried or same-sex partner, or if you answered no to question 5.1 and are
applying for an extension of stay although you have completed or nearly completed 2 years’ leave to enter
or remain in the UK as a partner, in addition to the relevant documents in sub-section 12A, you must provide
the following documents.....

7. Unless the form is asking for your wedding pics there is no reason to include any.

Personally I would suggest a minimum 3 full months of bank statements and a maximum of 6 months.

The granting of FLR for cases like yours is in principle a formality and should not present any problem.
Due to the really long time it can take for processing I have concluded that it's better to send more documents than less in the hope that it might speed up the time.

Hope that helps
Good luck

[bigmac]

sorry if i jumped the gun back there--i read it as the 6 month short stay marriage visa--with a compulsory return home.

but--even so--i didnt realise the applicant needed to apply for FLR straight away--i thought there was a 27 month timeframe ---but if gainful employment is required--then i suppose the FLR is needed asap.

[Terpe]

sorry if i jumped the gun back there--i read it as the 6 month short stay marriage visa--with a compulsory return home.

but--even so--i didnt realise the applicant needed to apply for FLR straight away--i thought there was a 27 month timeframe ---but if gainful employment is required--then i suppose the FLR is needed asap.

bigmac, please don't take offence here, but it's clear that you need to review the UKBA website for the basics about immigration and visa's, or at least review the forum guides on how to apply for a visa leading to settlement.

Here for Spouse (http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/39740-All-New-Guide-How-to-apply-for-a-Spouse-Partner-Visa)

and

Here for Fiance(e) (http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/39869-All-New-Guide-How-to-apply-for-a-Fiance-Visa)

Just trying to help.

[bigmac]

yes --thanx for that--i need to wade through all that yet again. i'm English--and i find it most confusing--i cant imagine what a foreign national would make of it all--no wonder they turn to professional advisers

[Terpe]

yes --thanx for that--i need to wade through all that yet again. i'm English--and i find it most confusing--i cant imagine what a foreign national would make of it all--no wonder they turn to professional advisers

Most folks here don't use professional advisors.
Of those that have, a significant number have been refused.

[smileyangel]

Err..I don't know what's confusing to you guys..:Erm: She came here in the UK on 16th July 2012 under Fiancee Visa (Visa Marriage is what it says in the passport which is the same)..she and her hubby got married last month...and they're preparing the docs to apply for FLR(M)..
Thanks for clarifying things for me and I’m glad my post did not confuse you at all :xxgrinning--00xx3:

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i am confused too, but here goes, did you get married here or in the phils
Sorry if it confused you too :doh I arrived here in cold UK :freezin:, 16th of July and just got married this 8th of Sept, so yes it was a month ago yesterday.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[smileyangel]

any opinion on this thread--from anyone with expertise here--would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your interest and following up my thread for other’s opinions regarding my queries. Rayna is right to say that Marriage Visa is the same as Fiancee Visa, I just used Marriage Visa since the stamped visa in my passport states it was a “VISA MARRIAGE”, which is valid for just 6 months. The purpose of my visit here in the UK is to get married and to extend my stay within the time frame they gave me which on my case is from 1st June until 1st of December 2012. Failure to do so would mean I would be deported back to the Philippines after my visa expires. The fee then was £826 or P59,472.00 + P150 (for additional bank charge because I did not pay it into a surcharge free branch).

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sorry if i jumped the gun back there--i read it as the 6 month short stay marriage visa--with a compulsory return home.

but--even so--i didnt realise the applicant needed to apply for FLR straight away--i thought there was a 27 month timeframe ---but if gainful employment is required--then i suppose the FLR is needed asap.

To clarify things more for you, I will share here the 2 types of visa that you and your partner may need to think about if you both want to get married here in UK. This apply to your partner since I know you are an English.

The visa that you will need will depend on how long you intend to stay in the UK:
• If you will be coming to the UK for a short time, and you plan to leave the UK soon after the ceremony, you must obtain a visa as a visitor for marriage or civil partnership. See the Visitors for marriage or civil partnership section.
• If you are planning to come to the UK to get married or register a civil partnership with someone who is already settled or settling here, and you want to stay in the UK afterwards, you will need to obtain a visa as a fiance(e) or proposed civil partner. Both you and your partner must be aged 21 or over, and you will need to show evidence that you plan to marry or register your civil partnership within 6 months of your arrival. See the Fiance(e)s and proposed civil partners section.
In my case, we chose visa as a Fiancee or also known as Visa for Marriage.
This is the link for that:http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/while-in-uk/marriageandcivilpartnership/
I hope it clears everything now :wink:

[smileyangel]

1. Yes that's the correct form and version

2. Yes that's the correct guide version

3. On the forms you must use the name that is indicated in your passport.

4. Yes, you are under old rules. So skip 7A and go to 7B

5. That's not going to be a problem for your application. Do bear in mind that the FLR process may take 6 months. So If your husband needs his passport during that period he may be better for hime to consider renewing it now and to consider following note 6 on the form.

6. That section 12c does not apply to you. That only applies to unmarried or same-sex partner


7. Unless the form is asking for your wedding pics there is no reason to include any.

Personally I would suggest a minimum 3 full months of bank statements and a maximum of 6 months.

The granting of FLR for cases like yours is in principle a formality and should not present any problem.
Due to the really long time it can take for processing I have concluded that it's better to send more documents than less in the hope that it might speed up the time.

Hope that helps
Good luck

Saying thank you is not enough for you to know how I appreciate your reply to every bit of my queries, but then...A BIG THANK YOU VERY MUCH INDEED! It was really a big help, you made it easier now for me and my hubby to fill out the form as everything is clear now. You are such a big asset to this forum.
Now I could say I am ready to submit my application anytime soon. May God always shower you with his blessings :xxgrinning--00xx3::thankyou:

[smileyangel]

No.

This is known as Further Leave to Remain (FLR) and when granted under the new rules allows you to remain for 30 months and is the starting point for your 60 month (5 year) journey towards settlement (ILR)

Under the 'old rules' the granting of FLR will allow you to remain for 24 months.. At this time the holder can apply for ILR

So does it mean if ever i was granted an FLR they will allow me to remain for 30 months now instead of just 2 years and and we would need to wait 5 years (60 months) now before we could be acquire an ILR? As I know, before then it was just 2 years of waiting before you could be granted an ILR :yikes: Am I right? It seems I am not up-to-date with the new rules:NoNo: :doh

[Terpe]

So does it mean if ever i was granted an FLR they will allow me to remain for 30 months now instead of just 2 years and and we would need to wait 5 years (60 months) now before we could be acquire an ILR? As I know, before then it was just 2 years of waiting before you could be granted an ILR :yikes: Am I right? It seems I am not up-to-date with the new rules:NoNo: :doh

No smileyangel, don't worry.
You applied for UK entry visa before the July 9 2012 rules were legally implemented.

You will continue to be considered under the old rules and remain on a 2 years immigration journey leading to settlement (ILR)
One year after that you will be eligible for British Citizenship
As you already know, you do not need to meet the new Financial Requirement for either FLR(M) or for ILR

All new applications made on and after July 9 2012 are subject to the new rules. The granting of visa leading to settlement will now mean a 5 year immigration journey to ILR.

[smileyangel]

No smileyangel, don't worry.
You applied for UK entry visa before the July 9 2012 rules were legally implemented.

You will continue to be considered under the old rules and remain on a 2 years immigration journey leading to settlement (ILR)
One year after that you will be eligible for British Citizenship
As you already know, you do not need to meet the new Financial Requirement for either FLR(M) or for ILR

All new applications made on and after July 9 2012 are subject to the new rules. The granting of visa leading to settlement will now mean a 5 year immigration journey to ILR.

Oh I see! What a relief then :xxgrinning--00xx3: Thanks so much again Sir Terpe :smile:

[malchard888]

Well smileyangel u will soon join the queue waiting for the expensive FLR to be granted, our application is almost 6 months old now and as their customer service is nothing short of atrocious I Have now involved my MP to see if he can ascertain why they find it acceptable practise to make bona fide applicants wait so long.

[Terpe]

Well smileyangel u will soon join the queue waiting for the expensive FLR to be granted, our application is almost 6 months old now and as their customer service is nothing short of atrocious I Have now involved my MP to see if he can ascertain why they find it acceptable practise to make bona fide applicants wait so long.

I have to agree with malchard, it really is disgraceful.
The FLR(M) should be a simple check that the conditions of the fiance(e) visa have been complied with.
Why that would take so long is unbelievable. I hope your MP can put some weight behind his enquiry.

I believe Rayna has also involved her MP.

I wish you good luck.

[raynaputi]

I have to agree with malchard, it really is disgraceful.
The FLR(M) should be a simple check that the conditions of the fiance(e) visa have been complied with.
Why that would take so long is unbelievable. I hope your MP can put some weight behind his enquiry.

I believe Rayna has also involved her MP.

I wish you good luck.

Well last week I got a letter from the MP, attached is the letter they sent to the UKBA. They said they'll gonna send me the letter from the UKBA when they replied..when would UKBA reply? I can only guess!!! :Brick:

[malchard888]

Thanks Terpe for your kind wishes, i will keep u all informed of any progress made with my MP's involvement.

[Trefor]

No smileyangel, don't worry.
You applied for UK entry visa before the July 9 2012 rules were legally implemented.

You will continue to be considered under the old rules and remain on a 2 years immigration journey leading to settlement (ILR)
One year after that you will be eligible for British Citizenship
As you already know, you do not need to meet the new Financial Requirement for either FLR(M) or for ILR

All new applications made on and after July 9 2012 are subject to the new rules. The granting of visa leading to settlement will now mean a 5 year immigration journey to ILR.

Hi Terpe.

So my Rose applied for/got her Fiancée Visa in June. She first came here on June 22nd. FLR(M) app is about to happen. Does she qualify under the old rules for ILR/settlement? I think it does, but wanted to double check.

Thanks.


T

[rusty]

So my Rose applied for/got her Fiancée Visa in June. She first came here on June 22nd. FLR(M) app is about to happen. Does she qualify under the old rules for ILR/settlement? I think it does, but wanted to double check.

Yes she is under the old rules as she applied before July 9th :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[smileyangel]

Well smileyangel u will soon join the queue waiting for the expensive FLR to be granted, our application is almost 6 months old now and as their customer service is nothing short of atrocious I Have now involved my MP to see if he can ascertain why they find it acceptable practise to make bona fide applicants wait so long.
Yes malchard888 you are right but still hoping we would not wait for that long too...fingers crossed!!!:doh Goodluck with your application!!! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Graham2263]

As you are in the UK already, there is no need to renew the passport of your husband as it will be valid while processing.
Basically any bills and document to show you are living together are helpful esp if your name is on them, even doctors letters or NHS cards are sufficient.
The application form you mention is the right one, FLRM, however, as you married in the UK, you apply for Further Leave To Remain, if you had married in the Philippines, it would be ILR, the form is for both applications.

[Graham2263]

As you married in the UK, you need to submit an application ( Further Leave To Remain ) It is the same form as an (Indefinite Leave To Remain) Applied for had the marriage took place in the Philippines.
All the documents above are ok to submit, and husbands passport is valid at the time of submitting application with 3 months validity so it is also ok. (Extorionate costs for failure)
So always throw in some photos and doctors letters for good measure

[raynaputi]

As you married in the UK, you need to submit an application ( Further Leave To Remain ) It is the same form as an (Indefinite Leave To Remain) Applied for had the marriage took place in the Philippines.


FLR(M) form is different from ILR form and do not confuse it with each other..

FLR(M) form is this http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/applicationforms/flr/formflrm1020091.pdf (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/applicationforms/flr/formflrm1020091.pdf)

while ILR form uses the SET M form which is this http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/applicationforms/settlement/formsetm0420091.pdf

[Terpe]

As you married in the UK, you need to submit an application ( Further Leave To Remain ) It is the same form as an (Indefinite Leave To Remain) Applied for had the marriage took place in the Philippines.
All the documents above are ok to submit, and husbands passport is valid at the time of submitting application with 3 months validity so it is also ok. (Extorionate costs for failure)
So always throw in some photos and doctors letters for good measure

Graham, welcome here to the forum. Hope you'll enjoy it and find it helpful.
Please don't take offence, but if you wish to provide advice on the immigration journey, please do be sure of the current rules and requirements.
The information that you have provided is completely incorrect.
In these days the twists and turns of the the latest immigration rules are rather complex and much stricter than before.

Just take care not to put people in difficult positions.

[Anakin]

Interesting thread and at least I'm seeing that I'm in the same boat as others.
I applied for our FLRM back in June 2012 and I got all excited when we were asked to do the biometrics in early August. Seems like I may still have months to wait though.
I thought it would be pretty straight forward tbh. I've got the income and savings to sail through their requirements and the other half has already been in the country for nearly 3 years anyway.
Have to say my biggest beef is that they've got all of my important docs. Passport, marriage license, accounts, bank statements, etc. and not only do I need to travel on business soon, but I'd like all my stuff in order as I'm starting a probate process as an executor.
My understanding is that if I ask for stuff back, including my passport, it invalidates the application?
They can take the next ten years sorting the effing application out but I just want all my stuff back! :bigcry:

Writing to the MP might be a way forward, :yawn:

[Bluebirdjones]

Anakin..... if you're the (English) husband, you can apply to get your passport back earlier.
It's only your wife's "returned" pasport that will invalidate the application.

I applied for mine some 4 weeks into the process, and got it returned some 4/5 days later.

[Anakin]

Is that right bbJones? Thank you.
I only saw an 0870 number to phone and it warned of invalidation. I did think it was ridiculous.