why??

[wayne]

why do so many people have no religion in europe? :anerikke:



elmarie,

[Steve.r]

why do so many people have no religion in europe? :anerikke:



elmarie,

This subject matter is going to cause lots of friction with many differences of opinion and is likely to get out of hand. Anyone replying to this thread must be respectful and non-judgmental towards other members or the thread will be closed.
:ReadIt:

[tiger31]

I would get banned so i will refrain from this topic :biggrin:

[joebloggs]

2 things when your born - fear of falling and loud noises... the rest is conditioning..

an old joke.........

I heard a story once about a Christian missionary in Alaska. He was talking to an Eskimo there and teaching him about God, Heaven and all the rest. At one point, the Eskimo asks, "If I don't accept Jesus as my saviour, will I go to Hell?" And the missionary says, "Oh yes." Then the Eskimo asks, "What if I didn't know about Jesus? Would I still go to Hell?" The missionary says, "Of course not, you can't be punished for that which you don't know."


The Eskimo looks at him and says, "Then why did you tell me?"

[lastlid]

Religion is still quite strong in Europe.......

[bigmac]

i do wish members would refrain from publicly thanking their chosen god, on here. it can be quite offensive to those of us who have moved on from such beliefs.

[Arthur Little]

i do wish members would refrain from publicly thanking their chosen god, on here. it can be quite offensive to those of us who have moved on from such beliefs.

Not at all :nono-1-1: ... unlike in the UK, MOST Filipinos are "steeped" in the Christian faith, and it is incumbent on those of us in the 'western world' to respect their beliefs.

[Michael Parnham]

I myself believe in evolution, but I do respect whatever others believe in!

[imagine]

doesn't offend me,,,,,,,,,, thank god :biggrin:

if it offends then don't read

[bigmac]

i'm all in favour of freedom of worship--but is it appropriate to ascribe thanks to their god on here--for (for example ) helping them obtain a visa?--when the same god appears to ignore the pleas of the sick and the dying?

next thing some will be praising whatever political power may be running the show--for providing the visa.

[stevie c]

Not at all :nono-1-1: ... unlike in the UK, MOST Filipinos are "steeped" in the Christian faith, and it is incumbent on those of us in the 'western world' to respect their beliefs.

Quite right Arthur why should members stop how bigmac find this offensive is beyond me.....If I want to thank god on this forum I hope I'm able to do so without restrictions

[wayne]

hallo guys!! :Hellooo: thanks for answering my question! i wish i we can meet you all guys wen im there :meet-1: all of you guys are friendly.. i respect all your answers! :smile: HAVE A NICE DAY xxxxxx



elmarie,

[lastlid]

Have a close look within Europe. In some countries religion is as strong as ever still. For example Spain and Portugal.

[Terpe]

Not at all :nono-1-1: ... unlike in the UK, MOST Filipinos are "steeped" in the Christian faith, and it is incumbent on those of us in the 'western world' to respect
their beliefs.

Quite right!

[KeithD]

why do so many people have no religion in europe? :anerikke:

elmarie,

The majority are no longer gullible :wink:


i do wish members would refrain from publicly thanking their chosen god, on here. it can be quite offensive to those of us who have moved on from such beliefs.

i'm all in favour of freedom of worship--but is it appropriate to ascribe thanks to their god on here--for (for example ) helping them obtain a visa?--when the same god appears to ignore the pleas of the sick and the dying?

next thing some will be praising whatever political power may be running the show--for providing the visa.

We do tend to edit most of the titles that do this. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Believers in the US has dropped 5% in the last few years, and they are fast gaining ground on believers.

I see the Pope has got rid of the ox and donkeys from the nativity.... next he'll be telling us Jesus wasn't there as well :xxparty-smiley-004: :icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

:Erm: Graham ! NO !!!

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http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/18/getmecoat8692890.gif

[bigmac]

PRAISE DE LAWD Y'ALL

but seriously--it must be a real culture shock for anyone relocating from a country steeped in christianity--to the UK--where in all probability--the only places of worship well attended are mosques . most british people hardly--if ever--attend any church or place of worship---and anyone openly and frequently talking about god in everyday conversation--is looked upon with suspicion.

[raynaputi]

PRAISE DE LAWD Y'ALL

but seriously--it must be a real culture shock for anyone relocating from a country steeped in christianity--to the UK--where in all probability--the only places of worship well attended are mosques . most british people hardly--if ever--attend any church or place of worship---and anyone openly and frequently talking about god in everyday conversation--is looked upon with suspicion.

When you respect the views of others, whether they believe in God or not, it won't be that of a shock..:xxgrinning--00xx3: The problem starts when someone would insist what he/she believes to the others. :wink:

[Iani]

Why?
Well maybe more people have moved on and believe more in science?

Then again, I have a friend whose "hobby" is quantum physics. Apparently the latest theory on how the universe was formed, is that there wasn't a "big bang" but two (for want of a better word) "brains" came together and fused.

There is also the theory that there are actually 11 dimensions, but because we are stuck in 3 dimensions, we can't see the others (Just like if a paper cut out man was stuck to a piece of paper, he would only see one dimension)

Frankly after hearing this, I'd be more inclined to believe in religion! Oh come on - that idea is barking!

One thing I have noticed, is that nowadays (One religion apart) the most intolerant and unpleasant people, seem to be the atheists who want to ram their beliefs (Or should that be lack of beliefs) down everyone's throat and make everyone conform to their way of thinking. In the same breath, they accuse the religious of being intolerant and forcing their beliefs on the atheists.

Like it or not, religion of all sorts has tended to create moral behaviour amongst humans for all history. Humans are violent animals by nature - and maybe their leaders have realised early on that one way of keeping society in check is to hang over the threat of divine retribution.
No religions tend to preach "get out there and cause conflict" - it's the followers of those religions, or their leaders, who twist the religious message for their own purpose.

Churches struggle to fill their halls, the mosques though may be overflowing. What does that tell you? Many messages actually, not all obvious. One being that the Christians are lazy and don't think they need to attend organised religious worship anymore.

100 years ago the churches were packed. Were people more religious? Well, maybe no - don't forget that at that time, the churches provided most of the social activity in the towns and villages. Plenty of other things to do now.

So many reasons that say the UK appears not to be particularly religious.

[Arthur Little]

why do so many people have no religion in europe? :anerikke:

elmarie,

That's the "million dollar" question, Elmarie ... and one for which I'm stuck for an answer. :cwm25:

I say, "Be true to YOURSELF!"

:yeahthat:'s what really counts ... religious or not. :wink:

[Iani]

Not mentioning anyone in particular here! In fact I'm not really thinking of anyone on this forum/thread.

However there is another thread on this forum, where some said that they don't like UK women/men, don't like their "values", don't like the way they behave around town, drinking to excess, showing off their tasteless tattoos and puking in unison.

Surely anyone with this belief couldn't ever post on this thread, attacking religion (I'm not saying they have)

It would not be making too many assumptions, that these members have partners who are pinoy - nature of this forum, just like the fact I post on a movie forum suggests I like movies.

This would mean that firstly, by attacking the beliefs of their partners (As opposed to say just accepting difference of opinion) they were being quite disrespectful towards their loved ones, who by experience I would guess were at least in passing religious - most people I have met from Phils are at least moderately religious. One thing about religious believers, is that they are easily offended if you attack their belief.

Secondly and ironically, they are attacking one of the very things core to the attitude and beliefs of their partners - one of the very things that attracted them to their partners in the first place, maybe they even went out to Phils to find their partner on purpose.

Maybe such a poster would be better off finding a nice atheist fat tattood drunk called Shazza from Slough. Three kids, three different dads (not sure though which men they were, too many Stellas that night innit)

Point is, someone can't be your soulmate if such an important part of what they are, and what makes them what they are, is something to be treated with derision.

[Jamesey]

Apparently the latest theory on how the universe was formed, is that there wasn't a "big bang" but two (for want of a better word) "brains" came together and fused.

There is also the theory that there are actually 11 dimensions, but because we are stuck in 3 dimensions, we can't see the others (Just like if a paper cut out man was stuck to a piece of paper, he would only see one dimension)

Frankly after hearing this, I'd be more inclined to believe in religion! Oh come on - that idea is barking!



A small point, but the theory is that two "branes" fused, the term "brane" coming from "membrane".

These theories are based in physics and mathematics, so they are much more credible than the religious mumbo jumbo, no matter how abstract and "barking" the ideas may seem.

[Arthur Little]

That said, Elmarie ... belated :welcomex: to the friendly, non-judgemental filipino/uk community.

[Iani]

A small point, but the theory is that two "branes" fused, the term "brane" coming from "membrane".

These theories are based in physics and mathematics, so they are much more credible than the religious mumbo jumbo, no matter how abstract and "barking" the ideas may seem.

Ahh thought she said "brain" hehe.
Nah, still crazy :wink:

Then again, she thinks there are countless parallel universes, maybe there is one where Huddersfield Town won the title, or perhaps that is taking barking to new heights

[lastlid]

A small point, but the theory is that two "branes" fused, the term "brane" coming from "membrane".

These theories are based in physics and mathematics, so they are much more credible than the religious mumbo jumbo, no matter how abstract and "barking" the ideas may seem.

But, do you get the feeling that a god had a hand in it all somewhere along the line?

[imagine]

is there a god, a maker,

big bang or not, even science knows there are so many maths involved in what has been brought into existance, life universe everything you see and what you cant see,
it involves so many things, magnatisum, gravity, and so many other things all had to happen at the right time in order for life or universe to exist, they work it out mathamaticaly, if just one of the mathematical equations. was out by just 1, life would not exist, scientists these days say it can not have been an accident, and if it wasnt an accident , then who made it ?
its just too amazing to be an accident

[Iani]

Thinking just in the towns around here. Let's ignore the mosques, different kettle of kippers.

All over towns, there are churches which are no longer churches. They are pulled down, ruins, turned into apartments, offices or art galleries.

Also - all over town there are the other centres of worship - the pubs. At one time they also were all over the place, now they too are burnt out, turned into houses, or shops.

Maybe it's just changing social trends. From what I can understand, most people still have some sort of religious belief, and when they get married, even if they haven't set foot inside a church since Derek and Rachel had their kid baptised, they consider approaching a church.

Certainly most people like a drink or two on occasion, but pubs? Not only expensive, they can't have a smoke there, and sometimes there's nutters looking for a fight. Drink at home, maybe the pub when the national side are playing in a tournament - the drinking equivalent of using churches for hatches, matches and despatches.

Social organisations - at one time Rotaract, the Young Farmers, Round Table, Lions, they were all huge with waiting lists. I know most Rotaract have closed down. Again, it's changing social trends.

[lastlid]

is there a god, a maker,

big bang or not, even science knows there are so many maths involved in what has been brought into existance, life universe everything you see and what you cant see,
it involves so many things, magnatisum, gravity, and so many other things all had to happen at the right time in order for life or universe to exist, they work it out mathamaticaly, if just one of the mathematical equations. was out by just 1, life would not exist, scientists these days say it can not have been an accident, and if it wasnt an accident , then who made it ?
its just too amazing to be an accident

Exactly. I am with the science, all the way, but did it all happen completely on its own?

[imagine]

infact if a person can not believe a maker exists , then how can he know he himself exists,

both man and maker are pretty unbelievable dont you think:Erm:

[imagine]

Exactly. I am with the science, all the way, but did it all happen completely on its own?

a few years back i read an amazing book,, no not the bible :biggrin:

title, theories of everything , right now i cant remember the author ,

but its an amazing book, lots of einstein quotes in it too

really feeds the mind about the workings and creation of the universe,

and the question of accident or not

[KeithD]

Religion, like civilisations, comes and goes. A God or Gods was an old way of explaining things that could not at the time be explained. Now we have the answers to most of those questions, and where this knowledge exists for the masses to make a decision, you will find religion in decline.

Whoever made this site and compiled all the names needs a medal: http://www.godchecker.com/

One thing all these Gods/Religions have in common is that the more we came to understand the facts of verything around us, the more they declined.

[Jamesey]

But, do you get the feeling that a god had a hand in it all somewhere along the line?

A very good question and I simply don't know.

I'm sure that there is no "interventionlist" god, who has any affect or influence on us. However, there are plenty of unasnswered questions, especially concerning what happened before the big bang. Our physics and mathematics break down at that point, so it's difficult to know anything about that time (although strictly, "time" didn't exist then)!

However, it is possible that some form of "higher intelligence" was at work. It's difficult to conceive that the universe is here as a billions to one chance occurrence.

I've read plenty of books on this sort of thing. One of the best was "6 numbers" by Martin Rees. It explains how 6 physical constants (eg, the speed of light, the charge of an electron) have caused us and the universe to exist. If any of these numbers were just fractionally different, nothing would exist. How were the values of these numbers set?

[lastlid]

The Gospel according to Billy Connelly. (beware of multiple swearing) .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwooM4yhiiY&feature=related

[imagine]

we may have learnt many things about our existance, but we will never stop learning, i dont believe there is one simple answer or that science is anywhere near the answer,

quote some words from a song,,,,,,,the more we find out the less we know

[lastlid]

A very good question and I simply don't know.

I'm sure that there is no "interventionlist" god, who has any affect or influence on us. However, there are plenty of unasnswered questions, especially concerning what happened before the big bang. Our physics and mathematics break down at that point, so it's difficult to know anything about that time (although strictly, "time" didn't exist then)!

However, it is possible that some form of "higher intelligence" was at work. It's difficult to conceive that the universe is here as a billions to one chance occurrence.

I've read plenty of books on this sort of thing. One of the best was "6 numbers" by Martin Rees. It explains how 6 physical constants (eg, the speed of light, the charge of an electron) have caused us and the universe to exist. If any of these numbers were just fractionally different, nothing would exist. How were the values of these numbers set?

That was what Imagine was saying, a few posts back. That must be the book he was referring to....

[bigmarco]

But, do you get the feeling that a god had a hand in it all somewhere along the line?

Well we will certainly find out one way another some day lastlid.
I married a beautiful woman who is adamant that God brought us together and only God will part us. Every night before sleep she thanks God for another day and in the morning thanks him again. She also thanks him before all our meals.
During all our problems with the UKBA during the last year she kept her faith and prayed constantly and as you all know God once again come up trumps.
I unfortunately lost my faith some years ago although I do occasionally question myself.
I married a beautiful woman who has an inner beauty that I have never before come across and I put a lot of this down to her faith. She tends to see the good in nearly everyone and has a remarkable outlook on life.
I PRAY :smile: she never changes .

[lastlid]

Well we will certainly find out one way another some day lastlid.
I married a beautiful woman who is adamant that God brought us together and only God will part us. Every night before sleep she thanks God for another day and in the morning thanks him again. She also thanks him before all our meals.
During all our problems with the UKBA during the last year she kept her faith and prayed constantly and as you all know God once again come up trumps.
I unfortunately lost my faith some years ago although I do occasionally question myself.
I married a beautiful woman who has an inner beauty that I have never before come across and I put a lot of this down to her faith. She tends to see the good in nearly everyone and has a remarkable outlook on life.
I PRAY :smile: she never changes .

Snap. Same here. Amazing. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Iani]

Well we will certainly find out one way another some day lastlid.
I married a beautiful woman who is adamant that God brought us together and only God will part us. Every night before sleep she thanks God for another day and in the morning thanks him again. She also thanks him before all our meals.
During all our problems with the UKBA during the last year she kept her faith and prayed constantly and as you all know God once again come up trumps.
I unfortunately lost my faith some years ago although I do occasionally question myself.
I married a beautiful woman who has an inner beauty that I have never before come across and I put a lot of this down to her faith. She tends to see the good in nearly everyone and has a remarkable outlook on life.
I PRAY :smile: she never changes .

Thanks for sharing that fella, that is really respectful, and the love for your woman really comes out in that :xxgrinning--00xx3:

We can be different, but respect and love for all she is, is paramount

[imagine]

That was what Imagine was saying, a few posts back. That must be the book he was referring to....

not the same book but sounds very similar ,

i done a google search to try find the author, i couldnt believe just how many books videos etc with the same title, so i failed to find, but maybe my dementia will give me a break at some point :icon_lol:

[lastlid]

we may have learnt many things about our existance, but we will never stop learning, i dont believe there is one simple answer or that science is anywhere near the answer,

quote some words from a song,,,,,,,the more we find out the less we know


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTHBfWcikmY

[lastlid]

A very good question and I simply don't know.

I'm sure that there is no "interventionlist" god, who has any affect or influence on us. However, there are plenty of unasnswered questions, especially concerning what happened before the big bang. Our physics and mathematics break down at that point, so it's difficult to know anything about that time (although strictly, "time" didn't exist then)!

However, it is possible that some form of "higher intelligence" was at work. It's difficult to conceive that the universe is here as a billions to one chance occurrence.

I've read plenty of books on this sort of thing. One of the best was "6 numbers" by Martin Rees. It explains how 6 physical constants (eg, the speed of light, the charge of an electron) have caused us and the universe to exist. If any of these numbers were just fractionally different, nothing would exist. How were the values of these numbers set?

Cheers for that. :xxgrinning--00xx3:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Just-Six-Numbers-Universe-SCIENCE/dp/0753810220

[bigmac]

another point to consider---the reference to the philippines being a strongly christian country---by that--it means predominantly roman catholic--which--as far as i know --is a minority religion in this country. all part of the culture shock.

[grahamw48]

Not mentioning anyone in particular here! In fact I'm not really thinking of anyone on this forum/thread.

However there is another thread on this forum, where some said that they don't like UK women/men, don't like their "values", don't like the way they behave around town, drinking to excess, showing off their tasteless tattoos and puking in unison.

Surely anyone with this belief couldn't ever post on this thread, attacking religion (I'm not saying they have)

It would not be making too many assumptions, that these members have partners who are pinoy - nature of this forum, just like the fact I post on a movie forum suggests I like movies.

This would mean that firstly, by attacking the beliefs of their partners (As opposed to say just accepting difference of opinion) they were being quite disrespectful towards their loved ones, who by experience I would guess were at least in passing religious - most people I have met from Phils are at least moderately religious. One thing about religious believers, is that they are easily offended if you attack their belief.

Secondly and ironically, they are attacking one of the very things core to the attitude and beliefs of their partners - one of the very things that attracted them to their partners in the first place, maybe they even went out to Phils to find their partner on purpose.

Maybe such a poster would be better off finding a nice atheist fat tattood drunk called Shazza from Slough. Three kids, three different dads (not sure though which men they were, too many Stellas that night innit)

Point is, someone can't be your soulmate if such an important part of what they are, and what makes them what they are, is something to be treated with derision.

I think it's just as unreasonable to make assumptions about Atheists as it is to make them about religious types.

My Filipina wife (for 15 years...ie, longer than most on here) was an Atheist and yes, had 3 children, each to a different father... though what relevance that has to her religion or lack of it, I'm not sure about. :Erm:

Some Atheists (like myself) wouldn't be so ignorant or insensitive as to directly criticise the beliefs of others in their presence, or to cause them to feel awkward about their beliefs and customs.

Atheism is not a religion or a 'type', and with most that I know of, neither is it a 'crusade', which is perhaps why we come in so many varieties and are able to easily assimilate into most societies without whining incessantly or fighting amongst ourselves. :smile:
.

[KeithD]

The answer to Life, the Universe and Everything is a nice cup of coffee :tea_cup5:

[lastlid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=27-VCulMf0U

[grahamw48]

Well, I'll have another go at turning this water into wine...going to crack it one day. :Brick:

[lastlid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYSXBsGOVuc&feature=related

[wayne]

Well we will certainly find out one way another some day lastlid.
I married a beautiful woman who is adamant that God brought us together and only God will part us. Every night before sleep she thanks God for another day and in the morning thanks him again. She also thanks him before all our meals.
During all our problems with the UKBA during the last year she kept her faith and prayed constantly and as you all know God once again come up trumps.
I unfortunately lost my faith some years ago although I do occasionally question myself.
I married a beautiful woman who has an inner beauty that I have never before come across and I put a lot of this down to her faith. She tends to see the good in nearly everyone and has a remarkable outlook on life.
I PRAY :smile: she never changes .


ohh that is so sweet!! :Jump: :Jump:

[fred]

ohh that is so sweet!! :Jump: :Jump:

I agree Wayne...
The woman in that video made it to heaven because she very kindly donated her organs too the sick and needy.
Very sweet indeed.

[Arthur Little]

I agree Wayne...
The woman in that video made it to heaven because she very kindly donated her organs too the sick and needy.
Very sweet indeed.

:yeahthat:'s what it's all about ... WHATEVER "it" is ... religious or not! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[bigmac]

The woman in that video made it to heaven because she very kindly donated her organs too the sick and needy.

ha ha ha ha ---very good: i went to my elderly neighbours funeral today--& reading that comment has cheered me up no end. lol lol

[wayne]

The woman in that video made it to heaven because she very kindly donated her organs too the sick and needy.

ha ha ha ha ---very good: i went to my elderly neighbours funeral today--& reading that comment has cheered me up no end. lol lol



:laugher: booommm :laugher:

[wayne]

:yeahthat:'s what it's all about ... WHATEVER "it" is ... religious or not! :xxgrinning--00xx3:


its a big lol watever!! its all about religion not donating organs.. its ok :doh

[Arthur Little]

i went to my elderly neighbours funeral today --& reading that comment has cheered me up no end. lol lol

That reminds me :yeahthat: ... I once went to the WRONG :cwm24: funeral! :omg: ... that cheered :biggrin: 'the Boss' [on here] up :laughitupsmilie: ... even earned me some valuable rep!

[Arthur Little]

I once went to the WRONG :cwm24: funeral! :omg: ...

... 2 years have "passed" away since that "fateful" day ... but the faux "pas" still brings a :smile: to my face.

[Arthur Little]

i went to my elderly neighbours funeral today---no end. lol lol

Except it WAS "an end" ... for the neighbour concerned ... a DEAD end, sadly! :bigcry:

[Arthur Little]

Joking apart ... "last words" on the Forum's [not Darwin's] "Theories of Evolution, based on the following quotation:


i went to my elderly neighbour's funeral today

Surely that sums "it"(along with #50) up; i.e., attending a person's funeral symbolises respect FOR the dead ... in the same manner as (to reiterate what I mentioned in #7) "it is incumbent on ALL of us to show respect TO the LIVING - regardless of religious and/or non religious beliefs". :xxgrinning--00xx3:

..................................................:yeahthat:

[grahamw48]

I thank KLM for supplying the plane and pilot that flew me to the Philippines. :smile:

[Arthur Little]

I thank KLM for supplying the plane and pilot that flew me to the Philippines. :smile:

:cwm24: ... WHO put the colours in the rainbow?

:yeahthat: wasn't mankind ... any more than Messrs 'Holland & Barrett' were responsible for creating Dutch firm KLM that supplied the :airline:

[lastlid]

In many ways, we are lucky to be on the planet at all. Spinning on an axis that is likely to tilt a good number of degrees at any time in the future and might well flip 180 degrees in the more distant future or at least its magnetic poles will. Who's in charge of that? Bound to upset the applecart on earth a little.

Hang on to your hats! :biggrin:

[Arthur Little]

I thank KLM for supplying the plane and pilot that flew me to the Philippines. :smile:

:anerikke: ... s'pose we can thank God ... :Erm: ... I mean, Graham ... for divertng readers' minds from the 'GREAT :gost: UNKNOWN' onto "a different plane" by "airing" his views.

[grahamw48]

Yes, I DO tend to have my feet firmly on the ground concerning such 'spiritual' matters Arthur...except when I'm in a plane of course. :D

[Iani]

Hrmph well what might also upset the apple cart, is this monumental discovery they've found on Mars...........oh but it's so monumental they aren't going to announce what it is yet. Getting like the results of Xfactor this, we have a result - right after the break etc.

Well I've heard a leak (Can't tell you who, it's obviously high level hush hush you understand), and what they have found is that the Martian soil isn't what it seems - the reason it's red, is because it's actually garam masala.
Moves are already underway in NASA to send up a few thousand chicken wings to rub in the stuff.

Course, this also proves Mars used to have life. Some have said this could upset all the religious (really no idea why, surely they could accept God made life elsewhere too, I mean it's like those of us who keep fish - one tank eventually just isn't enough).

Would this upset the atheists? Probably not.

What it ought to do, is illustrate that we bleeping well ought to stop fighting over this fly dropping piece of microbial rock in a vast universe, and realise that if we wipe ourselves out, then that's it - no more Earth.

Put it this way - what if Mars was just like Earth a couple of billion years ago? If the intelligent life there got jealous, waged wars........one side developed WMD's - no more Mars.
Billion years later, and all their cities have crumbled to dust, no record of their ever have existed.
Fact is - this is very possible


*footnote, I don't really have a grass in NASA, and it's not really garam masala (It's paprika)

[lastlid]

Hrmph well what might also upset the apple cart, is this monumental discovery they've found on Mars...........oh but it's so monumental they aren't going to announce what it is yet. Getting like the results of Xfactor this, we have a result - right after the break etc.

Well I've heard a leak (Can't tell you who, it's obviously high level hush hush you understand), and what they have found is that the Martian soil isn't what it seems - the reason it's red, is because it's actually garam masala.
Moves are already underway in NASA to send up a few thousand chicken wings to rub in the stuff.

Course, this also proves Mars used to have life. Some have said this could upset all the religious (really no idea why, surely they could accept God made life elsewhere too, I mean it's like those of us who keep fish - one tank eventually just isn't enough).

Would this upset the atheists? Probably not.

What it ought to do, is illustrate that we bleeping well ought to stop fighting over this fly dropping piece of microbial rock in a vast universe, and realise that if we wipe ourselves out, then that's it - no more Earth.

Put it this way - what if Mars was just like Earth a couple of billion years ago? If the intelligent life there got jealous, waged wars........one side developed WMD's - no more Mars.
Billion years later, and all their cities have crumbled to dust, no record of their ever have existed.
Fact is - this is very possible


*footnote, I don't really have a grass in NASA, and it's not really garam masala (It's paprika)

And the moon is made of cheese.

[grahamw48]

I'm just making the most of my bonus 18 months :biggrin:

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[lastlid]

"2012 Something Is Going On!
There are so many thing going on around the world that you may not be aware of. The main stream media only tells you what they have to and downplays the rest to prevent mass panic."

"I believe in the 2012 apocalypse
Without even worrying about the Mayan calendar, the words of Nostradamus, the prophetic dreams of Daniel or the revelation made to John, I have taken the definition to heart and concluded that we have experienced the apocalypse."

http://www.december212012.com/

[imagine]

why

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG7I4oniOyA

[fred]

ha ha ha ha ---very good: i went to my elderly neighbours funeral today--& reading that comment has cheered me up no end. lol lol

Here`s the moment when both mother and son decided to donate their organs.
Very emotional moment.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aclS1pGHp8o

[imagine]

maybe :Erm:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=VSpsczED91g


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=5ReHCCCdWgU&feature=endscreen

[KeithD]

NASA should have announced they have discovered intelligent life on Mars, however on closer inspection they realised it was George Bush so it was a false alarm :wink:

[Arthur Little]

NASA should have announced they have discovered intelligent life on Mars, however on closer inspection they realised it was George Bush so it was a false alarm :wink:

Ah ... :yeahthat: answers my question ... as I'd often wondered what planet he was on! :icon_rolleyes:

[lastlid]

Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die....

[Iani]

Old Trafford is known as "The Moon". This is because there's no atmosphere and no sign of intelligent life

[Iani]

Whilst we're on it, the safest place in the event of a zombie outbreak would be surely Australia.
A zombie outbreak could never happen there, because zombies want to eat brains, and..........well

[stevewool]

its up to each of us to decide if we go to church or to do anything, you dont have to go to church to pray and i bet everyone who ever you are has said a little pray to someone at sometime in the life,

[grahamw48]

its up to each of us to decide if we go to church or to do anything, you dont have to go to church to pray and i bet everyone who ever you are has said a little pray to someone at sometime in the life,

I'm sure you're right Steve.

The night after my fiancee was killed I shouted and cursed at 'god'....but I don't believe in him of course.

Even I can understand that sometimes there is a 'need'.

[lastlid]

I think the bottom line is that many of those who are atheists are genuinely unsure. Also, many, earlier in their lives, are wrapped up in their perceived own invincibility.

[Iani]

I'm not sure if atheists are unsure - no doubt some are, just as some religious will have doubts.

Then there are the agnostics. In theory anyone who thinks they are a scientist, should be agnostic, no scientist should be an atheist, I'll explain...

Well known God critic Richard Dawkins is on record as saying he will not discount there being a God, and some have jumped on this saying it's a sign he doesn't believe in his own views.
It's simpler than that though. The whole point to science, is that it's continually looking for the next truth, and that absolutely nothing can ever be stated as "definite fact". So many scientists have looked silly in the past after their idea was proven wrong (It isn't so long ago that science thought the world was flat, to take one extreme example)

Therefore if say Richard Dawkins was to say there definitely wasn't a God, that would make him not a true scientist. Whole idea of science is that anything is possible - even if now some things do seem set in stone fact (Any scientist suggesting atomic breakdown can change speed at random would be thought of as nuts)

[lastlid]

Then there are the agnostics. In theory anyone who thinks they are a scientist, should be agnostic, no scientist should be an atheist, I'll explain...



I remain unconvinced that scientists cant be believers.

[bigmac]

an interesting comparison has arisen.

on another thread--started by a new member--he/she was requested by an admin to post in english--as opposed to their native language. presumably so that those of us english-only readers could understand it---and--also--out of respect for the english language.

yet--when i wrote this:

i do wish members would refrain from publicly thanking their chosen god, on here.

i was shot down in flames.

why 2 standards here?

[wayne]

haloo guyz! :Wave: thank you so much for answering my question i learn a lots! :Jump:

thank you for the comment

have a nice day guyz!:meet-1:


elmarie,

[raynaputi]

an interesting comparison has arisen.

on another thread--started by a new member--he/she was requested by an admin to post in english--as opposed to their native language. presumably so that those of us english-only readers could understand it---and--also--out of respect for the english language.

yet--when i wrote this:

i do wish members would refrain from publicly thanking their chosen god, on here.

i was shot down in flames.

why 2 standards here?

1. The only way that British and Filipinos can understand each other in this forum is to both post in English. If you're French, Welsh, German or other nationality, the same rule applies.

2. Religion topics, especially the ones where members are slagging each other because of their beliefs, are usually not allowed because it's causing everyone distress. BUT, this thread shows that members here can respect whatever their beliefs or lack of beliefs are. Just exchanging ideas. No one has been slagging each other and the ones commenting on the thread are decent enough to comply with the rules. I'm actually impressed. :xxgrinning--00xx3: Now, if this thread turns out to a fight whether who's telling the truth or not about a certain religion or scientific inclinations or aetheist views, I would be the one to close this thread. :xxgrinning--00xx3: Also, admin and mods usually edit thread titles with the word "God" in it (not including news articles though) to be fair to the ones who don't believe. As the admin and the moderators here have always done, when everything turns out a slagging match in every thread, whether religious or not, that thread will always be deleted.

I'm a Filipina who believes in God (although not too religious), my husband doesn't believe in God and more inclined to the scientific explanations. But we never had any arguments when it comes to what we believe or not. I listen to stuffs he says scientifically. He let me write a prayer when we visited the smallest chapel in the UK or he would take me to church if I want to go. He doesn't insist to me that there's no God, as I don't insist to him there is one. But we can both talk about it. That's what you call respect.

[wayne]

1. The only way that British and Filipinos can understand each other in this forum is to both post in English. If you're French, Welsh, German or other nationality, the same rule applies.

2. Religion topics, especially the ones where members are slagging each other because of their beliefs, are usually not allowed because it's causing everyone distress. BUT, this thread shows that members here can respect whatever their beliefs or lack of beliefs are. Just exchanging ideas. No one has been slagging each other and the ones commenting on the thread are decent enough to comply with the rules. I'm actually impressed. :xxgrinning--00xx3: Now, if this thread turns out to a fight whether who's telling the truth or not about a certain religion or scientific inclinations or aetheist views, I would be the one to close this thread. :xxgrinning--00xx3: Also, admin and mods usually edit thread titles with the word "God" in it (not including news articles though) to be fair to the ones who don't believe. As the admin and the moderators here have always done, when everything turns out a slagging match in every thread, whether religious or not, that thread will always be deleted.

I'm a Filipina who believes in God (although not too religious), my husband doesn't believe in God and more inclined to the scientific explanations. But we never had any arguments when it comes to what we believe or not. I listen to stuffs he says scientifically. He let me write a prayer when we visited the smallest chapel in the UK or he would take me to church if I want to go. He doesn't insist to me that there's no God, as I don't insist to him there is one. But we can both talk about it. That's what you call respect.

yes that true rayna! :appl:

[lastlid]

I'm a Filipina who believes in God (although not too religious), my husband doesn't believe in God and more inclined to the scientific explanations. But we never had any arguments when it comes to what we believe or not. I listen to stuffs he says scientifically. He let me write a prayer when we visited the smallest chapel in the UK or he would take me to church if I want to go. He doesn't insist to me that there's no God, as I don't insist to him there is one. But we can both talk about it. That's what you call respect.

Have you not had one small argument over this topic, Rayna? :biggrin:

[raynaputi]

Have you not had one small argument over this topic, Rayna? :biggrin:

No, not even a small argument. As I know there are people who doesn't believe in God. It's their point of view not mine so I never get offended if someone tells me there is no God, even if it's Keith who says that. :xxgrinning--00xx3: Now, what I don't like is someone who insists to me their beliefs (whether other types of religion) or lack of. It causes debate/arguments about which is better or not. If I'm in that situation, I usually just excuse myself and turn my back away from the conversation. :biggrin: Coz honestly, I think it's a waste of time to argue about religion as no one would ever be able to change each other's thinking anyway. I don't care what others believe so why would he/she care about mine? :Rasp:

[grahamw48]

I'm not sure if atheists are unsure - no doubt some are, just as some religious will have doubts.

Then there are the agnostics. In theory anyone who thinks they are a scientist, should be agnostic, no scientist should be an atheist, I'll explain...

Well known God critic Richard Dawkins is on record as saying he will not discount there being a God, and some have jumped on this saying it's a sign he doesn't believe in his own views.
It's simpler than that though. The whole point to science, is that it's continually looking for the next truth, and that absolutely nothing can ever be stated as "definite fact". So many scientists have looked silly in the past after their idea was proven wrong (It isn't so long ago that science thought the world was flat, to take one extreme example)

Therefore if say Richard Dawkins was to say there definitely wasn't a God, that would make him not a true scientist. Whole idea of science is that anything is possible - even if now some things do seem set in stone fact (Any scientist suggesting atomic breakdown can change speed at random would be thought of as nuts)

Good post sir. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[bigmac]

Also, admin and mods usually edit thread titles with the word "God" in it (not including news articles though) to be fair to the ones who don't believe

thank you for that. all i could ask for

[Jamesey]

I'm not sure if atheists are unsure - no doubt some are, just as some religious will have doubts.

Then there are the agnostics. In theory anyone who thinks they are a scientist, should be agnostic, no scientist should be an atheist, I'll explain...

Well known God critic Richard Dawkins is on record as saying he will not discount there being a God, and some have jumped on this saying it's a sign he doesn't believe in his own views.
It's simpler than that though. The whole point to science, is that it's continually looking for the next truth, and that absolutely nothing can ever be stated as "definite fact". So many scientists have looked silly in the past after their idea was proven wrong (It isn't so long ago that science thought the world was flat, to take one extreme example)

Therefore if say Richard Dawkins was to say there definitely wasn't a God, that would make him not a true scientist. Whole idea of science is that anything is possible - even if now some things do seem set in stone fact (Any scientist suggesting atomic breakdown can change speed at random would be thought of as nuts)

Great post. Couldn't have put it better myself! :xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[KeithD]

Also, admin and mods usually edit thread titles with the word "God" in it (not including news articles though) to be fair to the ones who don't believe

thank you for that. all i could ask for

I said that on the first page :Erm:

100 Billion 'humans' have died so far so Heaven must be a busy place. I hope I can still get in the Heavenly Bookmakers and Heavenly KFC :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

If you feel a warm draught when you're approaching the pearly gates... :omg: :biggrin:

[Arthur Little]

Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die....

... "die" being the applicable word (allegedly) where Messrs Bush & Blair were concerned. :bigcry:

[lastlid]

Well, I am a scientist by profession and degree. And am principally an atheist. But along the lines that Bigmarco wrote earlier in the thread I can't help but be astounded by my wife's faith and I can't deny it has had no influence on me. Jamesey even hinted that when it comes down to it, he really isn't certain and that's exactly how I find myself.

My wife and I never argue over our different beliefs. Not once. We tend to argue over food :biggrin:

[Arthur Little]

If you feel a warm draught when you're approaching the pearly gates... :omg: :biggrin:

... :yeahthat:'ll be 'Old Nick' :devil: "tinkering" with the Central Heating System by fanning the flames :devil-smiley-029: "down below". :thumbsdown:

[Arthur Little]

who's telling the truth or not about a certain religion

:anerikke: ... NONE of us will ever really know one way or t'other during the course of our Earthly lifetime - any more than we can be sure of the existence of an 'afterlife' - so ALL arguments relating to the subject are pointless anyway.

[bigmac]

oh god has this thread really dragged on this long??

oh ###### i shouldnt say god--i'm the atheist here--might offend someone

oh g*d i shouldnt say ##### its naughty--i might offend someone else

oh bu99er it---ive just extended this silly thread even more----

[ADMIN-Please do not circumvent the swear filter, this is a public and family forum]

[lastlid]

As an atheist married to a strongly religious filipina I found the thread quite interesting.

[andy222]

Well with the job I do I see a lot of suffering and pain. Some of them are very religious. It makes me wonder if there is a god if they are left to suffer in that way.

[andy222]

As an atheist married to a strongly religious filipina I found the thread quite interesting.
I dont think your on your own lastlid.

[KeithD]

Good job God didn't put me in charge of the Ark, I'd have eaten the only 2 remaining chickens on Earth :hubbahubba:

[bigmarco]

oh god has this thread really dragged on this long??

oh ###### i shouldnt say god--i'm the atheist here--might offend someone

oh g*d i shouldnt say ##### its naughty--i might offend someone else

oh bu99er it---ive just extended this silly thread even more----

[ADMIN-Please do not circumvent the swear filter, this is a public and family forum]

If I don't like the look of a thread or don't like the way it's going I avoid it...........Simples

[raynaputi]

If I don't like the look of a thread or don't like the way it's going I avoid it...........Simples

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

I've already left. :Erm: