our NHS

[stevewool]

Yes its a good service and i am not knocking what it gives us, but there has to be changers sooner then later.
Every goverment that comes in says its got to change and they either say cuts or put more into it, but it dont seem to get any better.
My bros mum in law is 89 and the last few months has suddenly started going down hill, so the other day she was taken to hospital, she has water on her lungs and her heart is not as strong, after sitting in a wheelchair for over 4 hours before seeing a doctor, and the response was there is nothing we can do,
You cannot blame the doctor who said this, he was still there after 16 hours shift, they should have been two of them but the other one is sick and the nurses too are all doing their best,
That is one side of the NHS and here is the other side,
My other brother is not well, kidney stones and over weight and cannot walk very far with out stopping and whats he stopping for, A FAG
He is doing the staffs head in and my family too, they are trying to help him but he needs his fags every 10 mins and there is nothing they can do to stop him walking out for him smoke other then say go home
Two sides to the nhs from the same family, someone who needs help and dont cause a problem and but all they can do is make her comfortable, and then there is my brother,
just me moaning

[Bikramyogi]

That's not good! Surely just because they've been doing their jobs for a long time doesn't mean they can be complacent and neglect care.

[stevewool]

its not neglect, its all they can offer with what they have at that time,

[Michael Parnham]

Does anyone know of a better healthcare system in the world better than NHS?:Erm:

[stevewool]

if you have the money maybe there is better, i am not knocking it at all, its the system, and i am afraid that one day soon we all will be taking out an insurance policy just like your car or house to help pay for the health service you may or may not use

[joebloggs]

my wife has just finished 6 months of working in A & E, she has never been so tired, its a demanding job and there are long shifts of 13hrs a day for 4 straight nights\days and then 1 day off and back to 13hrs again.

what people might not be aware of she has 2hrs decide to admit or send the patient home, that's not always an easy decision to make, your dealing with peoples life's. if i make a mistake at work, no one is dead, at worse we lost some money but my wife is dealing with peoples lives and that is enough pressure on its own.

she seen everything, people complaining when she wouldn't admit them :doh and people who didn't want to be admitted when they needed to be, 'patients' abusing staff

not an easy job at all :NoNo:

[KeithD]

Money does not buy a better service, just a quicker one, as many times it is the same doctor doing private & NHS.

Those of us who have family back in the Phil realise how good the NHS is when someone over there gets ill, if they don't have the money, they don't get treated. Simple.

[stevewool]

thats why once i am over in the phils i shall have enough i hope to stop that happening,

[andy222]

All i can say steve is do not listen to what politicians say. The nhs is stretched there is no investment. Example there are two people who have left our rapid response team. The boss has said they will not be replaced.

[stevewool]

i understand what you are saying Andy, thats why i dont include the NHS as a reason to keep me here

[Bikramyogi]

my wife has just finished 6 months of working in A & E, she has never been so tired, its a demanding job and there are long shifts of 13hrs a day for 4 straight nights\days and then 1 day off and back to 13hrs again.

what people might not beware of she has 2hrs decide to admit or send the patient home, that's not always an easy decision to make, your dealing with peoples life's. if i make a mistake at work, no one is dead, at worse we lost some money but my wife is dealing with peoples lives and that is enough pressure on its own.

she seen everything, people complaining when she wouldn't admit them :doh and people who didn't want to be admitted when they needed to be, 'patients' abusing staff

not an easy job at all :NoNo:

i did the same, working 13hrs sometimes nearly 24 hrs because your reliever calls in sick which means u have to carry on doing her job.

its never an easy job, we deal with lives and even just a dosage miscalculation can kill a patient. sometimes i wanted to give up nursing because of too much stress in the workplace but its not easy to lose something you love to do and start from scratch.

[Bikramyogi]

Money does not buy a better service, just a quicker one, as many times it is the same doctor doing private & NHS.

Those of us who have family back in the Phil realise how good the NHS is when someone over there gets ill, if they don't have the money, they don't get treated. Simple.

well we do have government hospitals too, we pay for a small amount but its a long wait and slow process. one thing i like about the hospitals in the philippines is the easy access to doctors and specialists. no need to make an appointment, no need to wait for a week or two just to see the GP, you can just go to the hospital and choose among the doctors who have clinics there and can just do a walk-in and you will be accommodated. if you have a company health card, even better because you wont have to pay anything.

[KeithD]

I can see my GP same day where I live, and if I want to see a specialist this week, I just pay :xxgrinning--00xx3: ..... I prefer to wait with the NHS though, and if you have something life threatening the NHS pretty much look after you very well.

Deaths in hospitals due to viruses, bacteria, incorrect doses/medication, etc happen in every country. 10,000's die every year in the USA due to medication issues.

[stevewool]

to see our doctor, first you have to get past the reception, if you manage to get past her you are in luck, could be anything from 4 days to 2 weeks and in that time you have forgot what was wrong with you

[Michael Parnham]

I must say I've never failed to see a doctor on the same day in my life :wink:

[Michael Parnham]

Even though I am fit and healthy (touch wood) it is the NHS that prevents me from moving back to the Philippines, I've been to visit people in hospitals in the Philippines and I was shocked at what I witnessed in one or two of them, I won't go into detail but at the time I thought to myself, why wont the Catholic church build hospitals and fund them to give something back to the poor people in all third world countries because its these people who give the most money to the Catholic church!:anerikke:

[Terpe]

The UK pioneered good care with the introduction of the NHS.
For many years the NHS was viewed as the envy of the world.

Our NHS cornerstone of being free at point of care remains the envy of the world today.

But like everything the NHS is changing.

Ever increasing hospital and medical costs that both NHS and private medical insurers are looking at ways to cut costs.

The private insurers are busy looking at how to protect profits.
The NHS is looking at how to resolve the existing and future complexities of Private Finance Initiatives within the Public Sector Funding of NHS as it evolves
from a centralised institution to a community-orientated service that can cope with conditions caused up by an ageing society and rising levels of disability and dementia.

Did you know that Richard Branson's Virgin Group, under Assura Medical, already operates more than 100 NHS services nationwide?
Services that range from community health and children’s social care centres, to diagnostic services such as radiology departments, as well as GP practices and
sexual health clinics.

Personally I can't see that the taxpayer can ever fully sustain the NHS as we know it, especially with the current level of payments for private intervention.

Just my 2 centavos

[Doc Alan]

Please see my new thread in the Health Issues section of the Forum (
http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/44385-Improving-health-care?p=418489#post418489
)

[joebloggs]

Did you know that Richard Branson's Virgin Group, under Assura Medical, already operates more than 100 NHS services nationwide?
Services that range from community health and children’s social care centres, to diagnostic services such as radiology departments, as well as GP practices and
sexual health clinics.



yes I've seen that on tv, the reporter asked the patient if it bothered her that the gp was being paid by virgin, she said no..

the thing with private companies coming into the nhs they are there to make a profit, how can they make a profit without cuts compared to the nhs trust employing someone ?

all gp surgeries are owned by the partners, just as dentists are.

[stevewool]

Personally I can't see that the taxpayer can ever fully sustain the NHS as we know it, especially with the current level of payments for private intervention.

Just my 2 centavos

be thinking this and saying this for quite a time now, it has to come one day, just like car insurance/house insurance, heath insurance

[stevewool]

Please see my new thread in the Health Issues section of the Forum (
http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/44385-Improving-health-care?p=418489#post418489
)

thankyou Alan, a very intresting read, but its all down to money yet again

[Terpe]

......the thing with private companies coming into the nhs they are there to make a profit, how can they make a profit without cuts compared to the nhs trust employing someone ?..

Their money comes from the taxpayer, they cut costs by whatever means they can. Then cream off the profits!

Plenty of private enterprises have cut the amounts paid for common procedures such as hip replacements. Means the patient needs to cough up more (no pun intended)

Also for private use you need to to see a doctor from a list of consultants who charge only the strict new prices set by the private organisations
Some critics say there are plenty of qualified and experienced consultants whose fees are lower as a 'promo' to build up their private practices.

[joebloggs]

when my misses worked part time at the local hospital in the vampire squad (haematology dept) the hospital had to put out to tender the work, but a couple of private companies made bids but the trust kept the nhs employers on instead, how can a private company provide the same level of service and make a profit its not possible :doh

[Terpe]

when my misses worked part time at the local hospital in the vampire squad (hematology dept) the hospital had to put out to tender the work, but a couple of private companies made bids but the trust kept the nhs employers on instead, how can a private company provide the same level of service and make a profit its not possible :doh

Well can it be possible with:-

- Lower wage costs
- Lower utility costs (electric / council tax / consumables (means needles syringes sample bottles etc)
- No pensions
- No sick pay
- Zero hours contracts

Just a few ideas

[joebloggs]

Well can it be possible with:-

- Lower wage costs
- Lower utility costs (electric / council tax / consumables (means needles syringes sample bottles etc)
- No pensions
- No sick pay
- Zero hours contracts

Just a few ideas

:NoNo: what kinda of workers would those work conditions attract :cwm24:

[Terpe]

:NoNo: what kinda of workers would those work conditions attract :cwm24:

I think you know.
And I think you know they're also quite well educated with quite good qualifications back home :icon_rolleyes:

Tough economic times for many.

[stevewool]

:NoNo: what kinda of workers would those work conditions attract :cwm24:

lots coming over to the uk very very soon

[KeithD]

I used to enjoy wearing the white coat and doing the hospital rounds.... until I was arrested for impersonating a doctor :cwm25:

[Bikramyogi]

to see our doctor, first you have to get past the reception, if you manage to get past her you are in luck, could be anything from 4 days to 2 weeks and in that time you have forgot what was wrong with you


.....and eventually end up at the emergency room for not getting treatment at the onset of the symptoms... sucks!:Brick:

[malditako]

i had a bad experience with nhs gp's my son started having ear infection early spring last year and a cough on and off, on and off. So they say frequent ear infection is quite common among babies and kids ( my son never had ear infection while we're in phils ever). He was on amoxicillin like every 2 months due to ear infection and continues cough which they say its his asthma as his lungs is clear everytime they check his. But as a mother my instinct does say theres something not right. 'till one morning he wakes up catching his breath complaining his legs and arms and that was 3 days after he just finished his course of amoxicillin of course. I was in panic i almost call 999. So i took him to gp right away as he couldn't breath. He's wheezing and his chest seems heavy with phlegm as he coughs. Inside the clinic Gp check his lungs and said theres little wheezing. I said to myself LITTLE? for God's sake my son almost pass out with lack of oxygen in his body. So he's prescribing another round of amoxicillin which i refuse. I said he's not having same antibiotic again as i feel he needs stronger one than that. Its good the GP listen this time coz i wont be walking out with the same prescription again. Two days after my son felt good as ever. Good straight sleep overnight, no more tiredness, and with good apetite. horrible that it took ages for them to realize that he needs to change prescription. Those dosage of amoxicillin just ruin his immune system.

[Dedworth]

Does anyone know of a better healthcare system in the world better than NHS?:Erm:

I just met our local sub postmaster said it cost him £12 in car park charges watching his Dad die in the local NHS hospital on Sunday and they'll be charging him a bit more this afternoon when he goes to pick up the paperwork and suchlike.

It was cold comfort when I told him the same had happened to me in 2005 but that charges hadn't gone up by much :NoNo: