Complicated visa application

[dave1978]

Hi,

I have complicated visa application where im am getting married and plan for my wife and daughter to join me in the UK late this year.
My soon to be wife daughter has seen never sen her father so her sole guardian is her mother and these are the grounds i would like to apply for visa for her.
Problem being i havent a clue how or which visa i apply to include my wifes daughter .
wplease could any moderators or memebers of this site please help me with information or a contact good visa lawyer to help me .

THanks ladys and gents

[andy222]

Looks like your in the same situation as me dave. The rules are changing all the time and it is a nightmare to keep up with them.

[sars_notd_virus]

Hi,

I have complicated visa application where im am getting married and plan for my wife and daughter to join me in the UK late this year.
My soon to be wife daughter has seen never sen her father so her sole guardian is her mother and these are the grounds i would like to apply for visa for her.
Problem being i havent a clue how or which visa i apply to include my wifes daughter .

THanks ladys and gents

Hi dave, Welcome to the forum!!
What is the age of the child??? anyway, if shes under 18 she can apply as a dependent of your wife (separate application form,separate visa fees)... since she never saw her father , the mom will provide all the documents for ''sole responsiblity'' (ie, school documents , church , letters from her pediatrician/GP's.. stating that the mom is the sole guardian and is responsible for her day to day activities.
please check this very informative thread and if you have any more questions dont be shy to ask.
http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/39740-All-New-Guide-How-to-apply-for-a-Spouse-Partner-Visa?highlight=all+new+guide+for+spouse+visa

[tone]

Dave good luck with this I think you have come to the best place for solid advice!
Tone

[dave1978]

Thanks guys I will read this link and understand my options to see my best way forward

Dave

[beth18]

Dave all the best I have been through hell and back for my daughter 2 years ago... in total...4 refusal, 2 court hearings here in UK. But I won eventually. If you have any questions just message me, and friends here at the forum are so helpful as well. Only one thing your wife should do, never ever mention the name of the child's father in her upbringing.

[dave1978]

Dave all the best I have been through hell and back for my daughter 2 years ago... in total...4 refusal, 2 court hearings here in UK. But I won eventually. If you have any questions just message me, and friends here at the forum are so helpful as well. Only one thing your wife should do, never ever mention the name of the child's father in her upbringing.

Hi Beth, can I ask why not mention the name of the child's father? I am a bit worried about child visa as she has fathers surname and can see this being an issue

Thanks Beth

Dave

[Terpe]

Hi Beth, can I ask why not mention the name of the child's father? I am a bit worried about child visa as she has fathers surname and can see this being an issue

Thanks Beth

Dave

Sorry for my possible misunderstanding and intervention Dave, but was your Fiancee previously married?
Does her daughter already have a passport?
Is the fathers name on the Birth Certificate?

[dave1978]

Hi Terpe,

No she was never married her daughter does not have a passport and her fathers name is on the birth certificate.

To be honest i am going to apply for both my wife and her daughter visa together but am really not hopefull regarding daughters visa.

Rgds

[Terpe]

Hi Terpe,

No she was never married her daughter does not have a passport and her fathers name is on the birth certificate.

To be honest i am going to apply for both my wife and her daughter visa together but am really not hopefull regarding daughters visa.

Rgds

Don't want to appear too negative here, but the first challenge you need to overcome is securing a passport for your fiancee's daughter.

In my opinion it's better not to spend money jusy yet on visa applications/preparations before the daughter's passport is issued.

Please look here at the webpage Department of Foreigh Affairs (DFA) - Passport Application Requirements (http://passport.com.ph/requirements)

Look under the heading "For Minor Applicants (below 18 years old)"
Please pay special attention to the requirement under "If minor is illegitimate but acknowledged by father"

Does your Fiancee have the 'Affidavit of Acknowledgement and Consent to use the surname of father' ?

[dave1978]

Hi Terpe, yes your right one step at a time is the right way forward.

Spoke to the other half just now and she says her passport is being arranged now through a freind.

I mentioned what you said regarding 'Affidavit of Acknowledgement and Consent to use the surname of father' she said aslong as father has counter signed the back of the birth certificate "which he has" they will issue passport.

All new to me so unsure on this right now

Dave

[Terpe]

Hi Terpe, yes your right one step at a time is the right way forward.

Spoke to the other half just now and she says her passport is being arranged now through a freind.

I mentioned what you said regarding 'Affidavit of Acknowledgement and Consent to use the surname of father' she said aslong as father has counter signed the back of the birth certificate "which he has" they will issue passport.

All new to me so unsure on this right now

Dave

Thanks for that.
I have an interest actually since a friend of ours is in a similar situation.
She found out that what the father had actually signed was an admission of Paternity in lieu of the affidavit of acknowledgement. The purpose of affidavit of admission of paternity is for the support and succession only, and it does not entitle the illegitimate child to use the surname of his father.

Perhaps your fiancee has the 'Affidavit of Acknowledgement and Consent to use the surname of father' also.

Would you be kind enough to enquire with her?
I am trying to help out our friend on the best way to get a minor's passport without that affidavit of consent.

Would really appreciate

[dave1978]

Yes sure I will help certainly if I can!
I come to all you guys for good information just the same. I'm not sure though that my other half knows of the affidavit of acknowledgement and consent to use fathers surname but she has daughters birth certificate with fathers signature on the back.She tells me that is enough for her to get passport but what you have said to me today I didn't know and not sure my wife knows the rules an regs either

[dave1978]

Evening all, have decided after gaining info about wife's daughter to firstly apply for her passport.

JUst trying to get my head round all the requirements . I can confidently say I am ok with all the criteria to apply for my wife and dependant daughters visa just a few small questions for now.

I have read on some threads the need for a " property inspection " to ensure my UK property complies with the visa requirements regarding overcrowding. Is this term correct? And do I need to get an independent inspection done? Or would simply a floor plan something along those lines be suitable?

THanks ladies and gents

[Terpe]

Evening all, have decided after gaining info about wife's daughter to firstly apply for her passport.

JUst trying to get my head round all the requirements . I can confidently say I am ok with all the criteria to apply for my wife and dependant daughters visa just a few small questions for now.

I have read on some threads the need for a " property inspection " to ensure my UK property complies with the visa requirements regarding overcrowding. Is this term correct? And do I need to get an independent inspection done? Or would simply a floor plan something along those lines be suitable?

THanks ladies and gents

What kind of accommodation/property ?
Rented or owned?
Any other occupants?

[dave1978]

Hi Terpe,

Normal modern apartment large 1 br , owned and only myself as occupant

Rgds

[Terpe]

Hi Terpe,

Normal modern apartment large 1 br , owned and only myself as occupant

Rgds

My opinion would be to submit proof of ownership, a brief description and a couple of photos.
No need for costly independent property report.

[dave1978]

Ok thanks for your advice Terpe much appreciated
My other halfway friend is processing my daughter passport on 23 rd so I will let you know as soon as I know how we get on for your friends application.

Dave

[Terpe]

Ok thanks for your advice Terpe much appreciated
My other halfway friend is processing my daughter passport on 23 rd so I will let you know as soon as I know how we get on for your friends application.

Dave

Thanks :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[dave1978]

Hi guys,

Getting my visa application together now whilst waiting for are marriage certificate and have a few questions you may be able to help with:

Are there any links to current visa fees and types of visa to make sure I apply for wife and daughter correctly as I'm unsure?

Also how do I link both my wife's and daughters visa when applying as joint application rather than separately?

thank guys

[Terpe]

Hi guys,

Getting my visa application together now whilst waiting for are marriage certificate and have a few questions you may be able to help with:

Are there any links to current visa fees and types of visa to make sure I apply for wife and daughter correctly as I'm unsure?

Also how do I link both my wife's and daughters visa when applying as joint application rather than separately?

thank guys

Here's the link for the UKBA Fees from April 2013 (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/aboutus/fees-2012.pdf)

Look to the first page 'Out of Country' then look down to 'Settlement' (£851 each)

Dave, you can't make a joint application.Need to be 2 separate applications (2 application fees also)

PS: How did your get on with the daughters passport application?

[dave1978]

Hi Terpe , well the other half took all relevant paperwork to visa agency in Manila and she says now she wait for text for 2 weeks and go collect . Simple as that . All I know is father did sign back of her birth certificate but other than that everything looks fine .
Thanks for link just one question .... Would my wife's daughters visa be settlement - dependant relative at £ 1906 ? On top of £851 for wife?

[dave1978]

I now know why my daughter passport process seems to be running so smoothly!
Her biological father is American and what my wife has done is use agency and ordered her an American passport as she uses her father surname and he counter signed the birth certificate!
And as if everything wasn't complicated enough!

Next question i am now unsure of is it worth applying for my daughter as dependant of my wife using her biological father nationality passport? or would this be the wrong decision as all of are visa application regarding daughter is based upon sole guardianship?

Thanks

Dave

[dave1978]

I now know why my daughter passport process seems to be running so smoothly!
Her biological father is American and what my wife has done is use agency and ordered her an American passport as she uses her father surname and he counter signed the birth certificate!
And as if everything wasn't complicated enough!

Next question i am now unsure of is it worth applying for my daughter as dependant of my wife using her biological father nationality passport? or would this be the wrong decision as all of are visa application regarding daughter is based upon sole guardianship?

Thanks

Dave

Terpe any advice on my last to posts please?

dave

[Terpe]

Dave, the form you need is VAF4A

Here is a link to the paper version for your review (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/applicationforms/visas/vaf4a.pdf) so you'll know what's involved

The actual application needs to be made online.

When you look to the online application:-
The Type of visa = settlement
Purpose = settlement
Type of Application = a) Wife
= b) Child or other dep

This form needs to be completed by your wife for herself, and an additional one also by your wife on behalf of her daughter. It's the same form for both.

The fee is £851

It's not the dependent dependant relative

[dave1978]

Ok great thanks for information Terpe

After much confusion with my wife my daughters Philippines passport was delivered yesterday. her father had signed back of birth certificate 7 years ago to and done the legal " admission of paternity" so all went well and now have it.

Also have had lawyer write up an " affidavit of sole guardianship" which my wife has had makati mayor to sign and stamp as witness to my wife signature .and also got school and doctor to write letter both stating in there knowledge my is and has always been my daughters sole parent and guardian.

Is there anymore I can or should do to assist my daughters application ?

All of your advice has and is much appreciated

thank you lady's and gents

[andy222]

Dave, the form you need is VAF4A

Here is a link to the paper version for your review (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/applicationforms/visas/vaf4a.pdf) so you'll know what's involved

The actual application needs to be made online.

When you look to the online application:-
The Type of visa = settlement
Purpose = settlement
Type of Application = a) Wife
= b) Child or other dep

This form needs to be completed by your wife for herself, and an additional one also by your wife on behalf of her daughter. It's the same form for both.

The fee is £851

It's not the dependent dependant relative
What is the earliest date we can start filling up the online application?

[dave1978]

Hi ladies and gents,

Could anyone advise me if it is necessary for me to register my marriage in the Philippines here in the UK ? Will visa application in Manila check this has been done?

thanks Dave

[Bluebirdjones]

Dave,
If you married in the Philippines, you are under no legal obligation to register your marriage here in the UK

[dave1978]

Thanks bluebird but does that mean specifically for spouse visa application should I register in UK as an expected requirement for a successful visa application?

Don't want to miss anything I should be doing for visa but if isn't required then no need!

Thank you your advice is appreciated

Dave

[Bluebirdjones]

does that mean specifically for spouse visa application should I register in UK as an expected requirement for a successful visa application?


No, it's not an expected requirement.
You married in the Philippines, so it's that documentation you need to provide to the British Embassy in Manila.
It's irrelevant to them if you've also registered the marriage in the UK.

(as an aside, I assume you'd register with the "Births, Deaths, marriage" office ? ..... it's something that I assume 99.9% of those who married in the Philippines have not done)

[dave1978]

Ok great thanks bluebird , my wife has friend who told her after she gets marriage certificate she has to go to CFO is what she has been informed correct? and if so what for?

Thanks

Dave

[Bluebirdjones]

Once your wife has been successfully granted her spouse visa, she will also need a CFO stamp in her passport.

No CFO stamp = no departure from the Philippines.

See the various CFO threads on the board.
It'll take a day, and I believe that you can do the seminar in Cebu as well as Manila these days.
But someone will surely enlighten you, or point you to the specific thread.

[dave1978]

Ok great , thanks bluebird for the information

Emailed KET english language test centre in manila to book appointment for asap and have been told June is booked and next date is July 25th ..... 8 WEEKS OMG! everything else is ready now have to wait... should have booked earlier gutted!

[Terpe]

Ok great , thanks bluebird for the information

Emailed KET english language test centre in manila to book appointment for asap and have been told June is booked and next date is July 25th ..... 8 WEEKS OMG! everything else is ready now have to wait... should have booked earlier gutted!

There are plenty of different tests and test centres indicated on the UKBA approved listing. Maybe you can get an earlier test with another.?

[dave1978]

There are plenty of different tests and test centres indicated on the UKBA approved listing. Maybe you can get an earlier test with another.?

Thanks Terpe ..... I have found another test centre called Hopkins.ph but can't seem to find on accepted test centres have u heard this as accepted?

[Terpe]

Thanks Terpe ..... I have found another test centre called Hopkins.ph but can't seem to find on accepted test centres have u heard this as accepted?

Yes Dave, quite a few people have used Hopkins. They are fully approved under ETS so no worries there.

Take a look at the UKBA list of approved English Language Tests here (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/applicationforms/new-approved-english-tests.pdf)

Scroll down to page 21 (TOEIC)

Look to the column on the far right and click on the link:-
"For TOEIC in the rest of the world:-
http://www.ets.org/toeic/

Look to the right hand side and click the link that says Find your local TOEIC representative (http://www.ets.org/epn_directory?WT.ac=toeichome_epndirectory_121127)

Use the drop down menus to select your location (Philippines) and product (TOEIC)

There you will see Hopkins.
Just follow the Hopkins website (http://www.hopkins.ph/) to see their test centre locations

[Michael Parnham]

Good Luck with everything Dave!:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[dave1978]

Ok thanks Terpe and michael,

Thinking ahead a bit here but have a question in my head , if visa application is successful is the CFO seminar and stamp yet another appointment or same day as visit to collect documents and passports?

If it is different day do we have to arrange a appointment or will we be contacted with date and time as part of visa process?

Thank you all

[Terpe]

Ok thanks Terpe and michael,

Thinking ahead a bit here but have a question in my head , if visa application is successful is the CFO seminar and stamp yet another appointment or same day as visit to collect documents and passports?

If it is different day do we have to arrange a appointment or will we be contacted with date and time as part of visa process?

Thank you all

Dave, check out the threads on CFO sticker for some great detailed information
In summary, your partner must attend the CFO's guidance and counseling session in order to secure the Guidance and Counseling Certificate (GCC). This can be done at any time.
Once your partner has a valid visa she will be able to then get that all important CFO sticker. She cannot get the sticker without a valid visa.

[dave1978]

Wife took English test today and believes she didn't awnser one single question correct on listening and speaking test!
How the hell can she speak fine to me but nerves and the situation get her in a mess
This could be difficult lol to pass the final hurdle I think

Dave

[dave1978]

Evening everyone,
Just reading through some posts on spousal document checklist and have seen a sponsors bio metrics and stamps he had them notarised . This is something I haven't done ! Is this something all you people with the experience of applying for spouse visa I should follow?

Thanks dave

[dave1978]

Sorry everyone one more question what is a sponsorship declaration ? I have my sponsorship cover letter written but this is a new addition to my checklist I'm working to . Do I need this as well and does anyone know what it is?

thanks again

[Terpe]

Evening everyone,
Just reading through some posts on spousal document checklist and have seen a sponsors bio metrics and stamps he had them notarised . This is something I haven't done ! Is this something all you people with the experience of applying for spouse visa I should follow?

Thanks dave

I don't believe there's any documentary evidence required by UKBA that needs to be actually notarised.

Occasionally UKBA will state that certified copies of specific documents will be accepted if originals cannot be submitted.
Specifically concerning passport pages many folks just send photocopies and never had a problem.
Some others get the photo page certified. This can be done by a whole range of people much the same as a passport application photo.

Usually original documents are required.

[Terpe]

Sorry everyone one more question what is a sponsorship declaration ? I have my sponsorship cover letter written but this is a new addition to my checklist I'm working to . Do I need this as well and does anyone know what it is?

thanks again

There's no UKBA requirement to complete the Sponsorship Undertaking Form SU07/12
You'll complete all the needed details in sponsor's section of the application form VAF4A (Part 7) and the Financial Requirement Appendix 2

Submitting the Sponsorship Undertaking will not present any issues with the application, but it will not be reviewed.

Be careful about working with checklists. There is no UKBA checklist for spouse visa applications, just a general guidance on the types of supporting documents that might be needed for a large range of different applications.

[dave1978]

Thanks Terpe , yours and everyone's advice is invaluable in my application .
tHank you TErpe

[dave1978]

NEarly there with my application but I have a dilemma ! As I am sponsoring my wife's dependant child as her sole parent how much detail should my wife go into on her cover letter about her ex and past ? Is It better to try and awnser all questions UKBA will have regarding my daughter biological father and explain in detail ? or just push the sole parental authority and prove as best possible ?

[grahamw48]

Doesn't the (written) permission of the child's father need to be sought ? :Erm:

[Terpe]

I don't believe that any specific written travel consent/permission is required, unless the minor is a Filipino child (below 18 years of age) travelling abroad alone or with someone other than his/her parents.

Certainly a child who is not a Filipino citizen and holds a foreign passport is not required to secure any travel clearance.

However Dave, there is still another slight complication in your circumstances.
From experience, Immigration officers will usually question situations when the minor child is accompanied by an adult who does not appear to be the parent, such as, when the mothers passport does not bear the same surname of the child.
I'd kindly suggest it may be prudent to have your wife hand-carry some official documentary evidence to support her claim to being the biological mother.

[dave1978]

Ok thanks Terpe , i guess original birth certificate of my wife and child which is part of are application should cover that information?

[dave1978]

I have finished my visa checklist now and would appreciate everyone's feedback so,I know I'm on the right course

Itinerary checklist:
Cover Letter – Sponsor
Cover Letter – Spouse
Old & Current Passports & Photo 2"x 2" x 2 - Applicants
TB Test Certificate & Questionnaire
(KET) English Language Test Certificate
Marriage Certificate
Cenomar x 2
CNI ( UK & Philippines )
Bank Statements x 6 months
Pay slips x 6 months
Land Registry ( Deeds )
Accommodation Details & Photographic Support
Estate Agent Property Inspection
Employer statement of earnings & length of service
Mortgage Statement
Bank account opening date & current balance
Remittance Transfers
Council Tax Statement
Utility Bills
Identity Cards Applicants ( copies)
P60
Driving License
Flight Itinerary's
Passport Stamps &Bio Data - Notarized
Affidavit & Sole Parental Authority documentation
Sole Parental authority affidavit
Ma. Teresa Character Statement
Health Physician Letter & Affidavit
School Principal Letter & Affidavit
Family Photos
Email & Calls print out
Birth Certificates x 3 (sponsor & applicants )

[dave1978]

Evening everyone ,

I am just reading and understanding the VAF4A form to apply for my wife's dependant child settlement visa and I'm unsure exactly which parts I should and should not fill in .
Part 5 is clear as is for applicants under 18 years of age and if I'm right the only over part I fill in is part 7 as her sponsor ?

Part 2 passport information
Part 3 contact details
Part 4 your family

Or should I fill in part 2 , 3 and 4 aswell ?

Please if anyone could help me confirm The correct section to fill in I would really appreciate the help!

THANK YOU EVERYONE