Family migration rules drive doctors out of UK

[joebloggs]

not just doctors but anyone who wants to bring a non EU dependent to the UK

Doctors who have kept the NHS going are leaving the UK to care for ageing parents overseas due to immigration rule changes, the BMA has warned.


http://bma.org.uk/news-views-analysis/news/2013/march/family-migration-rules-driving-doctors-out-of-uk

[Dedworth]

Maybe they'll be some jobs for British graduates of British Medical Schools

[grahamw48]

Beat me to it Dedworth ! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

We have plenty of homegrown talent, IF they were given some encouragement. :icon_rolleyes:

[webclinician]

There are plenty of jobs for British Doctors anyway. Not seen anyone graduated from british school with no job unless they are very picky.
Other doctors are migrating because of the way NHS is going and not because they can't bring their relatives along.

[joebloggs]

i think in the past few years there was problems with British med grads getting foundation training, getting a job and then specialist training with competition from IMG's.
but since the gov changed some immigration rules it can be harder for IMG's to get jobs now.

see link below..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/oct/19/medical-students-training

[Doc Alan]

It wasn’t stated how many BMA members had left the UK “ because of changes to family migration rules “ – or whether there were additional reasons for leaving.

EU and non-EU doctors do return to their own countries after gaining valuable experience in the UK, in addition to contributing to the NHS.

It’s true that overseas doctors – and nurses – have been actively recruited to work for the NHS.

Out of the quarter of a million or so doctors registered with the GMC to “ practise “ medicine ( perhaps “ work “ would be a better term ) in the UK, about 2/3 qualified in the UK, followed by India ( 1/10 ), Pakistan, South Africa, Ireland, Nigeria, Germany, Egypt, Greece and Italy. Only a fraction of 1% qualified in the Philippines – “ joebloggs’ “ wife being one.

I have said elsewhere that with the huge number of UK applicants for every place in UK medical schools some might question why a third of registered doctors here are from abroad.

They currently fill a gap in the UK health system – such as shortage specialties and / or unpopular places to work.

It would be a long time – if ever - before all doctors in the UK could be trained here, but only two thirds does seem too low. The Department of Health, Universities, Medical Royal Colleges, General Medical Council, British Medical Association, Immigration authorities, and all-party parliamentary group on migration need to get their act together and plan for the future ... with care, compassion and respect for patients as the priority ... we live in hope !:smile:

[joebloggs]

Up to 1,000 new doctors could face unemployment
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9274753/Up-to-1000-new-doctors-could-face-unemployment.html

[Doc Alan]

The Daily Telegraph article quotes a junior member of the BMA who claims that “ hundreds of graduates could be without a foundation place and the worse case projections are up to 1,000 ; medical graduates would be left … applying again the following year, increasing the pressure ;
most would end up leaving the profession.”


It’s worth reading the comments, especially the first from “ juniordoc1 “ : " This article is just scaremongering. This year only ~150 people ended up on the reserve list and I think all have/will get a job come August. I can see no reason why there would be 1000 extra grads next year relative to jobs available - there will be no reduction in FY1 posts next year, no new medical schools opened in 2007/2008 (the years next year's grads will have started) and there was no significant expansion of places at existing medical schools over that time. And since the government capped visa issuing I can't see there being a rise in non-EU applicants either.
So basically, this journalist was told to write about something and has made a piece of sensationalist rubbish out of nothing. "


The true situation is likely to be a compromise between these extremes. It would help if there were not so many organisations and committees with vested interests, and ONE competent person in charge of future planning – but please, not Sir David Nicholson !

[andy222]

On the subject of Nicholson. How that guy can keep his job is beyond me. He must be on £thousands per year and did not know what was going on in stafford hospital where so many patients lost their lives?:Brick:

[Doc Alan]

On the subject of Nicholson. How that guy can keep his job is beyond me. He must be on £tousands per year and did not know what was going on in stafford hospital where so many patients lost their lives?:Brick:

Off topic, Andy and apologies to joebloggs who started this thread - but I agree :xxgrinning--00xx3:

He should resign, but he won't. This man is arguably the most powerful person in the NHS, who walked in to the top job on the NHS Commissioning Board - an unelected quango. If he did resign, that alone would not make the NHS safer. But staying just reinforces the same culture which allowed the Mid Staffs disaster to last so long before action was taken.

That's why I don't think someone like him is suitable to lead the much needed forward planning of doctors staffing the NHS - never mind all the other problems faced by the NHS !

( If I could choose, it would be Dame Sally Davies, Chief Medical Officer for England, a very sensible doctor ... but she has enough on her plate already ! )

[andy222]

The job is yours Doc we need someone who understands what its like to do the job instead of someone who hasnt got a clue how the NHS works. As we know governments put money before care but if anything happens its the staff who are to blame. Instead of throwing all that money into the EU why dont they protect one of the great things left that this country has left. To be honest Doc I have never heard of Dame Sally Davies but I trust your judgment. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

Meanwhile the NHS subcontracts out of hours services to outfits employing grossly negligent Doctors from overseas who fly in for a couple of months lucrative employment :-

Jet-set doctor who could have saved a dying man with a one-minute test is jailed


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9865199/Jet-set-doctor-who-could-have-saved-a-dying-man-with-a-one-minute-test-is-jailed.html

[Doc Alan]

Regardless of nationality, medical or other qualifications, everyone should take note when faced with someone who appears unnaturally drowsy or unconscious :-

A Airways

B Breathing

C Circulation

D Diagnosis:-


A Accidents ( trauma, cerebrovascular = stroke )
Alcohol

E Epilepsy

I Infection
Insulin ( diabetic – hypoglycaemic ( low blood sugar ) OR
hyperglycaemic ( high blood sugar )

O Overdose – prescription or illegal drugs

U Unknown ( includes Uraemia ( kidney failure ), other medical conditions )


A quick “ history “ from bystanders or family, common sense, and first aid knowledge would help while waiting for an ambulance.

[joebloggs]

lucrative employment

NHS trust where my misses works and agencies pay max of £30hr :doh

[Dedworth]

NHS trust where my misses works and agencies pay max of £30hr :doh

Must be the agencies that are raking it in Joe :-


GPs cash in on sale of out-of-hours provider


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9668756/GPs-cash-in-on-sale-of-out-of-hours-provider.html

[joebloggs]

well GP's are specialist so they would get more, but SHO level are capped, and your probably right about the agencies, paying exactly the same as a trust for OT. but i bet they charge the trust alot more :NoNo: