Ex-Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher dies

[Terpe]

Former Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher has died at 87 following a stroke, her spokesman has said.

Source:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155

[Terpe]

RIP Margaret Thatcher
A huge character in British History

[joebloggs]

well some people will be celebrating :cwm25:
R.I.P Thatcher

[KeithD]

She had bigger balls than any of the male politicians we see these days.

[joebloggs]

She had bigger balls than any of the male politicians we see these days.

true but she didn't have to put up with the court of criminal rights and the EU as much as the Gov has to these days :NoNo:

[Terpe]

well some people will be celebrating :cwm25:
R.I.P Thatcher

You may be right joe, but I would hope no reasonable person would seriously celebrate the death of such a person

[grahamw48]

Yes indeed, a very sad day.

We're still waiting for another leader of her calibre to restore this country to sanity.

RIP to a true Brit .

[joebloggs]

You may be right joe, but I would hope no reasonable person would seriously celebrate the death of such a person

i think you might have underestimated the feeling some people have about her, i think she divided the country.

i remember her as 'thatcher the milk snatcher' and the pic of her inside the tank

yes she had balls, i'll give her that, but many will not miss her ..

[jake]

RIP Iron Lady.

One she made up her mind about something she never changed it whether it was right or wrong.

Think she was against the European union?

[grahamw48]

Too right she was against the EU...and she knew how to deal with them.

[Terpe]

i think you might have underestimated the feeling some people have about her....

Yes, I'm sure that's true.
It's never easy for me as a person to understand extremism like that

[grahamw48]

Wait for the eulogies from around the world to see how much she was respected, and how she helped influence so many positive world events.

People forget that Britain was dubbed the 'Poor man of Europe' not long before she came along and sorted the country out, while also reviving world respect for our country.

[stevie c]

Rip lady thatcher although not my cup of tea
I always saw her as a pm for the rich but didnt give a damn for the poor

[imagine]

:biggrin:

[les_taxi]

Sad day,one of the greatest leader of our country ever,as said for a woman she had more balls than anyone else since.
To me she made be feel proud to be british:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

:anerikke: ... some say "Good old Thatcher" ... others tell the truth! :cwm24:

[Arthur Little]

.................... :yeahthat: ... but seriously folks - love her or loathe her - she WAS, without a shadow of doubt, by far THE MOST COMPETENT peace time Political Leader :Britain: EVER had!

So ... :iagree: with Les in that respect.

[Dedworth]

There's only one Maggie Thatcher !

[les_taxi]

Think this topic is gonna is going to split members (pardon the pun) lol

[grahamw48]

For those who have forgotten where SHE stood on the EU parasitic :censored:s (and comb-overs :icon_lol:).
.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBJSBVr5E64

[grahamw48]

Douglas Hurd (Ex-British Conservative Foreign Secretary)....

' In or around the year 1978 I visited the biggest single employer in my constituency who manufactured aircraft parts on the hill above Witney.
I was new to the job and asked the management naively how they were getting on with their business plan. They looked at me with pity. "We have no business plan," they replied. "We do our best to find out the mood of the shop stewards at Cowley and then calculate as best we can how many cars we think they will allow to be produced next week and next month."

That was the Britain which Margaret Thatcher took over in 1979.' :NoNo:

[grahamw48]

Margaret Thatcher, a true Brit'....unlike the current bunch of cowardly brown-nosers.

.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aZdAyHVjzQ

[KeithD]

I see Ken Livingstone has just been on Sky blaming Thatcher for the housing problems today? :Erm: :doh ... maybe he should blame the state of the roads on the Romans as well :Cuckoo:

[Dedworth]

I see Ken Livingstone has just been on Sky blaming Thatcher for the housing problems today? :Erm: :doh ... maybe he should blame the state of the roads on the Romans as well :Cuckoo:

Standard labourite practice - go back into history and blame the Tories, something I've raised many times on this forum

[fred]

Well...She took my milk but said sorry later by giving me the right to buy my council home.. In essence..Sod the milk!
Cheers Maggie!! Bon voyage and good job in the Falklands BTW..

[andy222]

Good riddance to her.:thumbsdown:

[raynaputi]

This is Margaret Thatcher's speech when she went to Manila in January 1996..

http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/108355 (http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/108355)

[fred]

As Mrs Thatcher once said (and it is generally accepted that she was probably referring to Willie Whitelaw)...

"All Prime Ministers should have a Willie."

[andy222]

Down the hole. The only ones who liked her are the ones that benefitied from her. And there is a awful lot that didnt. Our industry has never recovered since she was in power.Down the hole.

[imagine]

Good riddence to her.:thumbsdown:

:iagree::signs136:

[grahamw48]

Standard labourite practice - go back into history and blame the Tories, something I've raised many times on this forum

Yep, they conveniently forget the 13 years they were given to put right the 'bad' things the Tories supposedly did.

Did they reverse any Tory policies and legislation ? Re-open the mines ? Give the miners their jobs back ? Help the British motor industry ? Nope... too busy filling their pockets and giving each other Peerages. :icon_rolleyes: Damned hypocrites.

[fred]

The only ones who liked her are the ones that benefitied from her.

In my case thats true..:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

Me too, because I made loads of money supplying home improvements to all those new council house buyers. :biggrin:

[andy222]

I have had my say on the matter nothing else to add. Put it like this I wont be watching the news.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

David Cameron has just sent his offical letter to the Thatcher residence.

It starts "I regret to inform you that due to recent events you now have too many bedrooms..." . :biggrin:

[les_taxi]

Yes we are all benefiting from the Legacy of labour now (oh benefits their fav word too) :icon_lol:

[Dedworth]

Yep, they conveniently forget the 13 years they were given to put right the 'bad' things the Tories supposedly did.

Did they reverse any Tory policies and legislation ? Re-open the mines ? Give the miners their jobs back ? Help the British motor industry ? Nope... too busy filling their pockets and giving each other Peerages. :icon_rolleyes: Damned hypocrites.

You forgot to mention that the working class party also spent 13 years deregulating and sucking up to the evil bankers in the City of London

[imagine]

she dangled the carrots in front of the working man, appearing to give them something but really she took everything else away, too bad the carrots didnt help them to see the 666 on her forehead, the following labour gov was a bunch of usless waste, but even if they were any good how could any gov put right what she had done in all her years in office, 50 yrs never mind 13 would never fix the damage,
good riddance maggie enjoy hell

[Arthur Little]

There's only one Maggie Thatcher !

Alas ... :nono-1-1: ... not NOW, there ain't ... she's GONE ... been "shot of" :BlueTeamEnforcer: by a "stroke of good luck" (for her opponents).

[grahamw48]

First Jimmy Saville and now Margaret Thatcher ......great news for the minors !!!!

[Arthur Little]

good riddance maggie enjoy hell

............. :cwm24: ... :Wave: ... :bigcry:


First Jimmy Saville and now Margaret Thatcher .....great news for the minors !!!

............................................................:laugher:

Oh well ... I believe there's to be a private cremation ... :devil-smiley-029: ... so maybe that'll help the miners!!!

[joebloggs]

I see Ken Livingstone has just been on Sky blaming Thatcher for the housing problems today? :Erm: :doh ... maybe he should blame the state of the roads on the Romans as well :Cuckoo:

it's true :biggrin: sold more than 1 million off, and ere built well, virtually 0 !

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54388000/gif/_54388267_housebuilding_464.gif

it dropped from 75,000 council houses being built a year when she came to power to virtually 0 when she was booted out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14380936



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkxeu7mCXz0

No peace for the wicked - only war on the poor
They're batting on pickets - trying to even the score
It's all inclusive - the dirt comes free
And you can be all that you want to be
Oh an equal chance and an equal pay
But equally there's no equal pay
There's room on top - if you tow the line
And if you believe all this you must be out of your mind

Bulingdon boy Osborne cuts the top rate of tax for the rich, while cutting benefits to the poor and low paid :laugher:

George Osborne mounts fierce defence of 'essential' cut in top tax

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-osborne-mounts-fierce-defence-of-essential-cut-in-top-tax-8556168.html

[Dedworth]

Have all the huge Labour run councils in cities and metropolitan areas up North stopped building Council houses Joe ?

[Arthur Little]

Jimmy Saville and Margaret Thatcher ......

... come to think of it :icon_rolleyes: ... weren't the two of THEM great pals at one stage?

[imagine]

the only one good thing about maggie, nice legs:biggrin:

the best thing she ever did for this country , cease to exist:biggrin:

[joebloggs]

Have all the huge Labour run councils in cities and metropolitan areas up North stopped building Council houses Joe ?

yes looks like since thatcher came to power , up norf and down south have not built any, maybe because they didn't have any money to, after all she sold the family silver off and yes brown sold the gold :doh

[Arthur Little]

Think this topic is gonna is going to split members (pardon the pun) lol

Thatcher? :biggrin:

Hmm ... :icon_rolleyes:... you could be right, Les ... in which case, serious consideration might need to be given to including the 'Iron Lady' among forbidden topics for discussion!

[les_taxi]

I'm right and that's how I'm leaving it lol
Footie on soon :biggrin:

[Arthur Little]

:doh ... I really NEED to "get a life" ... ALL of MY posts thus far today have centred around the death of Baroness Thatcher!

[Dedworth]

yes looks like since thatcher came to power , up norf and down south have not built any, maybe because they didn't have any money to, after all she sold the family sliver off and yes brown sold the gold :doh

Under Labour these councils were free to rake in as much council tax as they wanted - I'd have expected the Northern labour strongholds to be throwing some of it back towards their voters and building shed loads of houses. Then again they gave all the existing houses to immigrants and so called "asylum seekers" in the great multiculturalism and vote rigging project.

[joebloggs]

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66811000/jpg/_66811209_star.jpg

thatcher sold everything 'British' off, more than labour ever did :doh

[grahamw48]

Under Labour these councils were free to rake in as much council tax as they wanted - I'd have expected the Northern labour strongholds to be throwing some of it back towards their voters and building shed loads of houses. Then again they gave all the existing houses to immigrants and so called "asylum seekers" in the great multiculturalism and vote rigging project.

Exactly. :cwm23:

[joebloggs]

I'm not an asylum seeker and i don't think I'm an immigrant, i was born here :biggrin:

she was no churchill :NoNo:

[KeithD]

The only time in my life I felt more British than any other time was during the Falklands War.... since then it's just gone downhill with a bunch of EW bum hole :kissass: lickers running the country.

[grahamw48]

'I'm not concerned with Diplomacy...I'm concerned with fighting terrorism'.

- Margaret Thatcher.

Come back, we need you. :NoNo:

I can just see her putting up with these convicted foreign terrorists living amongst us, and all this 'human rights' nonsense. :icon_rolleyes:

[Dedworth]

'I'm not concerned with Diplomacy...I'm concerned with fighting terrorism'.

- Margaret Thatcher.

Come back, we need you. :NoNo:

I can just see her putting up with these convicted foreign terrorists living amongst us, and all this 'human rights' nonsense. :icon_rolleyes:

No Surrender

http://www.famouspictures.org/mag/images/3/32/Iranian_Embassy.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqhfmszH9G1qkhlnjo1_500.jpg

[KeithD]

No Surrender

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqhfmszH9G1qkhlnjo1_500.jpg
Which one is Thatcher? :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

(Just watching the Jon Snow programme about her on CH4). :smile:

[imagine]

Which one is Thatcher? :biggrin:

the one with balls :icon_lol::icon_lol:

[Ako Si Jamie]

She fought for the minority not the majority and thus can't be classed as a great leader. Both her and Tony Blair have screwed up this country.

[imagine]

She fought for the minority not the majority and thus can't be classed as a great leader. Both her and Tony Blair have screwed up this country.

:gp::iagree:

[Jamesey]

I was quite young when she was in power, but I definitely wasn't a fan of her at the time. However, many of the things she did needed to be done, such as breaking the stranglehold that the Unions had on the economy. Other policies were a disaster, for example, the Poll Tax.

But whatever your view on her politics, you have to admire her drive and self belief. To begin as a grocer's daughter and rise to be the first female Prime Minister, whilst winning 3 general elections, is an immense personal achievement.

RIP.

[Jamesey]

First Jimmy Saville and now Margaret Thatcher ......great news for the minors !!!!

:laughitupsmilie:

[Dedworth]

She fought for the minority not the majority and thus can't be classed as a great leader. Both her and Tony Blair have screwed up this country.

Talking about minorities

Milipede is standing by the feral scroungers and work shy when 67% of the electorate want benefit reform

[grahamw48]

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

- Margaret Thatcher.


"We are simply asking to have our own money back."


- 1984, Margaret Thatcher demanding a budget rebate for Britain at a European Union summit. :smile:

[imagine]

i think closing down the mines was like cutting off your nose to spite your face, the reason she shut the mines was to kill off the stronghold of the unions, which weakened and eventualy destroyed the unions, the unions brought their destruction on themselves through striking for winnie ninni things,

but to destroy the mines was a wicked thing to do to our country, those mines had many years left in them and at the time was well worth modernisation

[joebloggs]

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

- Margaret Thatcher.


"The problem with capitalism is eventually the rich have all your money"

- Joe Bloggs 2013

tell me one thing she created that wasn't all ready there or which she sold off ?

i remember the early 80's they were bad times for many, record unemployment.

[joebloggs]

Hundreds gather in Glasgow, Liverpool and Brixton to 'celebrate' death of Margaret Thatcher


http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/08/hundreds-attend-parties-to-celebrate-death-of-margaret-thatcher-3588431/

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/crowds-gather-in-derry-to-celebrate-death-of-margaret-thatcher-29182412.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hundreds-gather-in-glasgow-liverpool-and-brixton-to-celebrate-death-of-margaret-thatcher-8565125.html

Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead enters download chart top 40 following Margaret Thatcher’s death

http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/08/ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead-enters-download-chart-top-40-following-margaret-thatcher-death-3588608/

[imagine]

The problem with capitalism is eventually the rich have all your money".

and they do, now they are bleeding us all dry right down to the last drop, they will be ok though, what with all their investments abroad,

[joebloggs]

and they do , now they are bleeding us all dry right down to the last drop, they will be ok though, what with all their investments abroad,

and their 'essential' tax cut while the rest of us struggle :doh

[grahamw48]

I'm sure all those 'poor' working class people who were able to buy cheap council properties and are now living in Spain off the equity aren't going to complain . :smile:

[joebloggs]

many didn't like her, but no death is something to laugh about. RIP Thatcher


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsq3H_6XuFA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ByW-zcd3F0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K6YWX4OL0o

[joebloggs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nGEBh7xybRc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s4BCUWopQQ4#!

and the last from me on Thatcher

[bigmarco]

I won't celebrate her death but I certainly don't mourn her passing. She divided communities, turned neighbours against each other sold the countries silver for pennies and council homes for votes.
People choose to interpret history in their own view. Unlike what some have said on here she wasn't against Europe she just fought for a rebate. History actually shows that on the only occasion that this country was allowed a referendum on membership of the EU that her party was strongly in favour of us remaining in. She is as much to blame for our current situation in Europe as Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron.
She was saved in her first term as Prime Minister by a war in the South Atlantic, a war that she didn't win. A war that was won by the heroes who serve in our armed forces the same armed forces that her party is cutting to pieces at the moment.
History will also show that she had more riots on the streets of this country than any other Prime Minister in our time. She tried and in part succeeded in doing away with society and a sense of community. She created the loadsamoney culture and encouraged people to walk over everybody else to attain wealth. She's responsible for the greedy capitalist culture that we now have particularly in the City of London. The same culture that preach only the strong survive but when it all goes wrong rely on the weak to pay off their debts.
I remember her stealing the words of St Francis of Assissi when she was elected in '79..."Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope." I would say she failed miserably.

[joebloggs]

I won't celebrate her death but I certainly don't mourn her passing. She divided communities, turned neighbours against each other sold the countries silver for pennies and council homes for votes.
People choose to interpret history in their own view. Unlike what some have said on here she wasn't against Europe she just fought for a rebate. History actually shows that on the only occasion that this country was allowed a referendum on membership of the EU that her party was strongly in favour of us remaining in. She is as much to blame for our current situation in Europe as Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron.
She was saved in her first term as Prime Minister by a war in the South Atlantic, a war that she didn't win. A war that was won by the heroes who serve in our armed forces the same armed forces that her party is cutting to pieces at the moment.
History will also show that she had more riots on the streets of this country than any other Prime Minister in our time. She tried and in part succeeded in doing away with society and a sense of community. She created the loadsamoney culture and encouraged people to walk over everybody else to attain wealth. She's responsible for the greedy capitalist culture that we now have particularly in the City of London. The same culture that preach only the strong survive but when it all goes wrong rely on the weak to pay off their debts.
I remember her stealing the words of St Francis of Assissi when she was elected in '79..."Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope." I would say she failed miserably.

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[KeithD]

At least back in those days our police were allowed to fight back when attacked by the miners, these days they just have to stand and watch cities burn due to human rights as well as health and safety :doh

[stevewool]

hay ho we all have our own opinion
And mine is she was the greatest leader this country will ever have,and if there was someone like her now in politics i would vote again

[imagine]

I won't celebrate her death but I certainly don't mourn her passing. She divided communities, turned neighbours against each other sold the countries silver for pennies and council homes for votes.
People choose to interpret history in their own view. Unlike what some have said on here she wasn't against Europe she just fought for a rebate. History actually shows that on the only occasion that this country was allowed a referendum on membership of the EU that her party was strongly in favour of us remaining in. She is as much to blame for our current situation in Europe as Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron.
She was saved in her first term as Prime Minister by a war in the South Atlantic, a war that she didn't win. A war that was won by the heroes who serve in our armed forces the same armed forces that her party is cutting to pieces at the moment.
History will also show that she had more riots on the streets of this country than any other Prime Minister in our time. She tried and in part succeeded in doing away with society and a sense of community. She created the loadsamoney culture and encouraged people to walk over everybody else to attain wealth. She's responsible for the greedy capitalist culture that we now have particularly in the City of London. The same culture that preach only the strong survive but when it all goes wrong rely on the weak to pay off their debts.
I remember her stealing the words of St Francis of Assissi when she was elected in '79..."Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope." I would say she failed miserably.

very good :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[imagine]

somewhere in the short term history people got twisted , because surely the working man should support and vote for labour and certainly not conservatives,:Erm: conservatives vote conservative,
working mans grand parents would be turning in their grave:NoNo:

but the way things are today there isnt one party that represents the true ideal, mp.s switch from one party to another, they are not there for the people , either white color or the working man, they are only there to fill their own pockets, and sell us down the river

[stevewool]

somewhere in the short term history people got twisted , because surely the working man should support and vote for labour and certainly not conservatives,:Erm: conservatives vote conservative,
working mans grand parents would be turning in their grave:NoNo:

but the way things are today there isnt one party that represents the true ideal, mp.s switch from one party to another, they are not there for the people , either white color or the working man, they are only there to fill their own pockets, and sell us down the river

who ever you voted for all they did was keep you under there thumb,that has never ever changed,

[Terpe]

Margaret Thacher.

The first and only woman, so far, to have been elected as the leader of major political party in the United Kingdom
The first and only woman, so far, to have held the position of British Prime Minister.
The longest-serving British Prime Minister of the 20th century.

She once said:-

You know, if you just set out to be liked, you would be prepared to compromise on anything, wouldn't you, at any time? And you would achieve nothing

Here are some more Thatcher quotes:-


My policies are based not on some economics theory, but on things I and millions like me were brought up with: an honest day's work for an honest day's pay; live within your means; put by a nest egg for a rainy day; pay your bills on time; support the police.


I personally have always voted for the death penalty because I believe that people who go out prepared to take the lives of other people forfeit their own right to live. I believe that that death penalty should be used only very rarely, but I believe that no-one should go out certain that no matter how cruel, how vicious, how hideous their murder, they themselves will not suffer the death penalty.


Mr. Chairman, you have invited me to speak on the subject of Britain and Europe. Perhaps I should congratulate you on your courage. If you believe some of the things said and written about my views on Europe, it must seem rather like inviting Genghis Khan to speak on the virtues of peaceful coexistence! ...The European Community is one manifestation of that European identity, but it is not the only one. We must never forget that east of the Iron Curtain, peoples who once enjoyed a full share of European culture, freedom and identity have been cut off from their roots. We shall always look on Warsaw, Prague and Budapest as great European cities...To try to suppress nationhood and concentrate power at the centre of a European conglomerate would be highly damaging and would jeopardise the objectives we seek to achieve. Europe will be stronger precisely because it has France as France, Spain as Spain, Britain as Britain, each with its own customs, traditions and identity. It would be folly to try to fit
them into some sort of identikit European personality...it is ironic that just when those countries such as the Soviet Union, which have tried to run everything from the centre, are learning that success depends on dispersing power and decisions away from the centre, there are some in the Community who seem to want to move in the opposite direction. We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level with a European super-state exercising a new dominance from Brussels.

[les_taxi]

hay ho we all have our own opinion
And mine is she was the greatest leader this country will ever have,and if there was someone like her now in politics i would vote again

Totally agree :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[bigmarco]

In death as in life she divides opinion :biggrin:

[Amaw2008]

Some of the policies on inefficient industries were necessary, but it was done with such speed, and her brutality and self-righteousness will not be quickly forgotten. After the Falklands War, which to her credit she won, she should have adopted a solemn and respectful attitude towards the dead of both sides, instead of "rejoice, rejoice". Well, I'm not rejoicing, but I'm not particularly lamenting either as we move on to a new era.

[KeithD]

We're supposed to rejoice after winning a war :doh ..... remembrance of all the dead comes later.

Is it just me or do others think that seeing adults on the TV celebrating the death of a human, who is someone's nan is just sick, pathetic and childish, and just shows you that respect in this country is at an all time low?

[stevewool]

We're supposed to rejoice after winning a war :doh ..... remembrance of all the dead comes later.

Is it just me or do others think that seeing adults on the TV celebrating the death of a human, who is someone's nan is just sick, pathetic and childish, and just shows you that respect in this country is at an all time low?

you are so right, it should never ever be allowed

[joebloggs]

We're supposed to rejoice after winning a war :doh ..... remembrance of all the dead comes later.

Is it just me or do others think that seeing adults on the TV celebrating the death of a human, who is someone's nan is just sick, pathetic and childish, and just shows you that respect in this country is at an all time low?

i thought 'respect' was earned :Erm:, and I suppose she had little respect for some people, as they had for her.

thatcher died in Ritz, she been there for months, i wonder if she thought about the old who cant afford to heat their home or buy a ritz biscuit never mind stay in a posh hotel

In January 1982, Mrs Thatcher wrote to the Tory MP Richard Needham, defending the decision to scrap the only British warship in the vicinity of the Falklands, HMS Endurance. The government needed to save money.

Three months later, with Endurance in the wrong place and the Falklands under Argentine occupation, her government was plunged into what contemporaries saw as the worst overseas crisis since the loss of the Suez Canal.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/thatcher-confidential-the-untold-story-of-the-falklands-war-8544805.html

[stevewool]

i have come to the conclusion that lots of people are sheep, everyone just seems to follow each other, so called pop stars do a song about someone they dont like and the sheep buy it and they dont like that person too, a actor dont like someone and says so, and again the sheep dont like them too,
Watching the news yesterday and the sheep was there again singing and dancing some may not knew who Margaret Thatcher was, but hey its a party and i am a sheep so i will go along with what most are saying.
Yes maybe she did wrong, but remember you voted her in and in this free country you had the choice not to keep her in power.
You know my feeling about voting and politics so really i am saying this from a human being, what i have seen these last few days has disgusted me so much i am ashamed

[grahamw48]

You're spot on there Steve.

It's also the 'sheep' effect that makes the media and advertising industry a fortune every year, not to mention RELIGION. (Oh, did I mention religion again :biggrin:).

Sometimes people also behave like LEMMINGS. :NoNo:

[Ako Si Jamie]

No doubt we'll see a few 'sheep' in the vicinity of Thatchers funeral too. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

No doubt we'll see a few 'sheep' in the vicinity of Thatchers funeral too. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Let's just :pray: this event passes peaceably ... WITHOUT incident!

[stevewool]

i too hope everyone shows a little respect on the route, if there is an incident it should be stopped straight away and not even filmed or any pictures taken of the sheep

[KeithD]

What the :furious3: have sheep ever done wrong? :icon_rolleyes:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--l37fYGyfAA/Ts9ChCJ6u8I/AAAAAAAAKZQ/nIiuAu6wtrg/s1600/sheep+dancer.jpg

[KeithD]

:omg::omg::omg:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/4/8/1365456662820/Steve-Bell-09.03.2013-013.jpg

[grahamw48]

i too hope everyone shows a little respect on the route, if there is a incident it should be stopped straight away and not even filmed or any pictures taken of the sheep

If you see an old Goat there....that will be me. :icon_lol:

[Pete/London]

Any one remember spitting image
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TFx9u1t1LY

some real gems

[Dedworth]

"Let me give you my vision: A man's right to work as he will, to spend what he earns, to own property, to have the state as servant and not as master - these are the British inheritance. They are the essence of a free economy... and on that freedom all our other freedoms depend."

Margaret Thatcher , 10/10/1975

[joebloggs]

No doubt we'll see a few 'sheep' in the vicinity of Thatchers funeral too. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

yes I wonder if Geoffrey Howe will be there :icon_rolleyes:

[Arthur Little]

yes I wonder if Geoffrey Howe will be there :icon_rolleyes:

:anerikke: ... Howe the :censored: would I know?

[joebloggs]

"Let me give you my vision: A man's right to work as he will, to spend what he earns, to own property, to have the state as servant and not as master - these are the British inheritance. They are the essence of a free economy... and on that freedom all our other freedoms depend."

Margaret Thatcher , 10/10/1975


as for British, didn't she sell off everything that was British to buy votes :icon_rolleyes:, did we have British Airways, British Steel, British Gas, British Telecom etc. :Britain:oh wait the taxpayer and the country owned them, now foreigners do :doh:laugher:

if she thought everyone should own a property why didnt she build a new one for every 1m council houses she sold off cheap :Erm:

coming from someone who snatched milk from kids :doh

[grahamw48]

I agree that foreigners shouldn't have been allowed to buy or have controlling shares in many of our previously nationalised industries...in particular, utilities. :NoNo:

As for council/social housing, then yes, many more should have been built, but only let out to those who could meet strict (local) residency conditions. Certainly not to asylum seekers, junkies, alcoholics, irresponsible unmarried teens etc.

Basic hostel accommodation would be quite sufficient for them (and a deterrent :icon_rolleyes:).

[Dedworth]

Basic hostel accommodation would be quite sufficient for them (and a deterrent :icon_rolleyes:).

Way too good Graham - I'd favour tents ringed by razor wire in a remote area :biggrin:

[KeithD]

Way too good Graham - I'd favour tents ringed by razor wire in a remote area :biggrin:
Pontins :yikes:

[grahamw48]

:laugher:

Yep...bloody holiday camp waaaay too good. :xxaction-smiley-047

There was me trying to be moderate.:biggrin:

[Dedworth]

i think closing down the mines was like cutting off your nose to spite your face, the reason she shut the mines was to kill off the stronghold of the unions, which weakened and eventualy destroyed the unions, the unions brought their destruction on themselves through striking for winnie ninni things,

but to destroy the mines was a wicked thing to do to our country, those mines had many years left in them and at the time was well worth modernisation

Coal had been a decaying industry for years, history was re-written by Labour and they keep repeating it until they believe it is true :-

Declining number of pits under Wilson & Callaghan

1964 .. 545
1965 .. 504
1966 .. 442
1967 .. 406
1968 .. 330
1969 .. 304

1974 .. 250
1975 .. 241
1976 .. 239
1977 .. 231
1978 .. 223
1979 .. 219

Declining Number of pits under Mrs Thatcher

1979 .. 219
1980 .. 213
1981 .. 200
1982 .. 191
1983 .. 170
1984 .. 169
1985 .. 133
1986 .. 110
1987 .. 94
1988 .. 86
1989 .. 73
1990 .. 65

[Arthur Little]

Declining number of pits under Wilson & Callaghan

1964 .. 545
1965 .. 504
1966 .. 442
1967 .. 406
1968 .. 330
1969 .. 304

1974 .. 250
1975 .. 241
1976 .. 239
1977 .. 231
1978 .. 223
1979 .. 219

Declining Number of pits under Mrs Thatcher

1979 .. 219
1980 .. 213
1981 .. 200
1982 .. 191
1983 .. 170
1984 .. 169
1985 .. 133
1986 .. 110
1987 .. 94
1988 .. 86
1989 .. 73
1990 .. 65

:doh ... that's "the pits"!! :yeahthat:

[les_taxi]

as for British, didn't she sell off everything that was British to buy votes :icon_rolleyes:, did we have British Airways, British Steel, British Gas, British Telecom etc. :Britain:oh wait the taxpayer and the country owned them, now foreigners do :doh:laugher:

if she thought everyone should own a property why didnt she build a new one for every 1m council houses she sold off cheap :Erm:


coming from someone who snatched milk from kids :doh
They did not need the milk by then, I remember it well a third of a pint of warm sour milk - lovely!

[imagine]

Coal had been a decaying industry for years, history was re-written by Labour and they keep repeating it until they believe it is true :-

Declining number of pits under Wilson & Callaghan

1964 .. 545
1965 .. 504
1966 .. 442
1967 .. 406
1968 .. 330
1969 .. 304

1974 .. 250
1975 .. 241
1976 .. 239
1977 .. 231
1978 .. 223
1979 .. 219

Declining Number of pits under Mrs Thatcher

1979 .. 219
1980 .. 213
1981 .. 200
1982 .. 191
1983 .. 170
1984 .. 169
1985 .. 133
1986 .. 110
1987 .. 94
1988 .. 86
1989 .. 73
1990 .. 65

Declining Number of pits under Mrs Thatcher would be smaller figures because obviously there was less to close down,

but i would have liked to see the reasons for closed pits under labour , and the reason for closing pits under maggie, im darn sure the reasons are very different, im sure maggies reasons was to get to breaking the unions nothing more

[imagine]

"The legacy of what the Conservative government did to British industry under Thatcher is not one to be proud of if you really did want the best for the people," the NUM said in a statement.


http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/04/09/13/british-miners-say-good-riddance-thatcher

[Arthur Little]

a third of a pint of warm sour milk

....................... :yeahthat: ... but, when Thatcher came along, it was pasteurised ... "past your eyes" :Bolt: before you'd even noticed!

[grahamw48]

If it hadn't been for the private free enterprise of the original mine owners, there would have been no mining industry employing the thousands that it ultimately did.

Workers' unions are a very good idea, and I used to be a union area rep' myself, but the union leaders just became too big for their boots, as in so many British industries at that time....then finally they killed the goose that laid the golden eggs. :NoNo:

[Ako Si Jamie]

Let's just :pray: this event passes peaceably ... WITHOUT incident!I was talking about the Tory 'sheep' Arth! :wink:

[Arthur Little]

I was talking about the Tory 'sheep' Arth! :wink:

Ah ... you mean Edward Heath ... the man my dad used to say sounded like a bleating :sheep: whenever he appeared on TV.

Latterly, there was no love lost between Heath and the woman who succeeded him as Leader of the Conservatives. And also, of course, Heath predeceased Thatcher in 2005. But, that said, I wouldn't put it past old Ted to to turn up in spirit :gost: at his sparring partner's "send off" next week. If only for the sake of laying a :cuss: on her mortal remains before they're disposed of at Mortlake.

[joebloggs]

I was talking about the Tory 'sheep' Arth! :wink:

Labour Chancellor Denis Healey in 1978 claimed an attack from Howe was "like being savaged by a dead sheep":icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

Thanks for reminding me to clip my eyebrows. :smile:

[Arthur Little]

her mortal remains

Speaking of which ... the final disposal (following the service at St Paul's) is to be a Private affair. However, I believe Boris Johnson's expected to be in attendance ... to mop up :balaicoule: what's left of Maggie afterwards.

[grahamw48]

Forgot to mention that my brother (then in Senegal) was the British diplomat co-ordinating the 'rescue' of Maggie's idiot son Mark when he lost himself in the Sahara that time, while competing in the Paris-Dakar rally. Bro' was also our official press relations officer, so we saw him on telly and being quoted in the newspapers. :Jump:

[Dedworth]

"The legacy of what the Conservative government did to British industry under Thatcher is not one to be proud of if you really did want the best for the people," the NUM said in a statement.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/04/09/13/british-miners-say-good-riddance-thatcher

That's the sort of tripe you'd expect the NUM to come out with.The only thing newsworthy that's come out about them in recent years is their legal wranglings to get Scargill out of their luxury London flat :icon_lol:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20303797

Former miners' leader Arthur Scargill has lost his High Court fight to have the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) continue to pay for his London flat.

Mr Scargill was president of the NUM until July 2002 and led it during the miners' strike from 1984 to 1985.

He stepped down as president of the union but claimed his contract entitled him to a London home for life, or the life of his widow.

Chris Kitchen, NUM general secretary, said Mr Scargill had been "found out".

Mr Scargill said that the judgment was "perverse".

[grahamw48]

The problem for most of the miners was that THEY were too busy working their arses off to to have time to realise what a megalomaniac :censored: that Scargill was. :NoNo:

[Dedworth]

The problem for most of the miners was that THEY were too busy working their arses off to to have time to realise what a megalomaniac :censored: that Scargill was. :NoNo:

He never balloted them for strike action

[KeithD]

Coal in the 80's was no longer cost effective as we had access to cheaper imports from Germany, that's business and capitalism. During the noughties under Labour coal once again became viable due to the high price of oil but they done nothing to open up new pits.

[Dedworth]

During the noughties under Labour coal once again became viable due to the high price of oil but they done nothing to open up new pits.

What they were opening was the immigration floodgates in the name of vote rigging, multiculturalism and shafting the British working classes

[joebloggs]

and shafting the British working classes

that was the Tories :icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

Coal in the 80's was no longer cost effective as we had access to cheaper imports from Germany, that's business and capitalism. During the noughties under Labour coal once again became viable due to the high price of oil but they done nothing to open up new pits.

...and Poland, which should have been one of the commie union leaders' favourite countries.

Ironic. :icon_rolleyes:

[Jamesey]

Coal in the 80's was no longer cost effective as we had access to cheaper imports from Germany, that's business and capitalism. During the noughties under Labour coal once again became viable due to the high price of oil but they done nothing to open up new pits.

One of the things that Thatcher did that I agree with was closing down the coal mines. To me, it's just simple free market economics. Cheap coal was being imported from huge open cast mines in other parts of the world. Deep-mined coal simply wasn't competitive.

When world coal reserves become depleted and carbon capture technology is perfected, there will be demand for the deep-coal and the mining industry will be back in full swing. Until that time, it should not be subsidised by other parts of the economy.

I know that Thatcher's policy towards the mining industry ruined many communities and perhaps it should have been done with a bit more compassion and support for the ex-miners, but closing the mines was the right thing to do.

[bigmarco]

I love all the talk about free markets and capitalism. It's great until it f:censored:s up and then the Capitalists all turn into socialists. Everyone should help to pay for the sins of the Capitalists and whilst everyone bails them out they still want to get a bonus.

[les_taxi]

that was the Tories :icon_lol:

I'm working class - didn't shaft me :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

I was working at the dole office. :icon_lol:

[joebloggs]

I'm working class-didn't shaft me:xxgrinning--00xx3:

did you buy shares in british gas, british telecom, etc ? if you did you bought what you already owned and was robbed from those who didn't/couldn't buy shares

if you didn't you was robbed becuase what you owned was sold off at a discount

either way thatcher shafted you :action-smiley-081:

[robbie bobby]

Jimmy Savile greets Maggie Thatcher at the gates of hell "what you here for then"?
"Shafting miners" she replied
"Same as me" says Jimmy

Sorry if this offends but I found it hilarious

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[grahamw48]

http://imageshack.us/a/img26/451/57226ee149313d3f5cd8f5f.gif

[robbie bobby]

:bigcry:
http://imageshack.us/a/img26/451/57226ee149313d3f5cd8f5f.gif

[Robert86]

Don't like the woman at all.. Vile human being, caused misery for millions.

[les_taxi]

Don't like the woman at all.. Vile human being, caused misery for millions.
For millions she caused no misery at all, except perhaps some nasty Argentinians :biggrin:

[stevewool]

vile human being, thats harsh, if someone said that about your mum,gran, or wife how would you feel, how even you feel about a person its your thought only, truth be told i bet there is more liked her then disliked her, myself well for that time she was here she did well,the unions was to big for themselves, did they go without during the strikes who knows, but someone had to face up to them and thank goodness she did, where would we all be know if she did not, just my thoughts no harm on name calling meant to anyone involved

[joebloggs]

truth be told i bet there is more liked her then disliked her,

well there is a few on here who are not fans of hers

do you remember the news at 10, at the end Trev Mcdonald would say how many 1000s of jobs were lost that day ?

record levels of unemployment, culture of greed, no compassion at all, stole milk from kids, sold off everything that was British

I've told you why i dont like her, tell me the reasons you do Steve

have you ever been a member of a Union ? i haven't no unions where i've worked, but some employers treat you like :censored: sometimes, i've had to in the past taken 2 different employers to tribunals for my basic rights, if i was in a union they wouldn't have been able to do what they did.

[KeithD]

did you buy shares in british gas, british telecom, etc ? if you did you bought what you already owned and was robbed from those who didn't/couldn't buy shares

if you didn't you was robbed becuase what you owned was sold off at a discount

either way thatcher shafted you :action-smiley-081:

...everyone who has a pension fund has shares in them.

[KeithD]

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I can't taste it!! :Erm:

[KeithD]

Don't like the woman at all.. Vile human being, caused misery for millions.

So did Winston Churchill in ordering the bombing of millions of civilians, but we look at him as a hero, and yet he committed war crimes :doh

[imagine]

For millions she caused no misery at all, except perhaps some nasty Argentinians :biggrin:

didnt she shoot them in the back,,, the ship in retreat:Erm:

[KeithD]

didnt she shoot them in the back,,, the ship in retreat:Erm:

That was a myth the Argies started, the ship is on the bottom facing away from Argentina. You have to simply ask, what was a troop ship, full of armed troops, doing in waters near a war zone? :Erm: ... sightseeing? :doh

[stevie c]

Overall i think the bad things the old hag done far outweighs the good things she done

[grahamw48]

That was a myth the Argies started, the ship is on the bottom facing away from Argentina. You have to simply ask, what was a troop ship, full of armed troops, doing in waters near a war zone? :Erm: ... sightseeing? :doh

:laugher::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

So did Winston Churchill in ordering the bombing of millions of civilians, but we look at him as a hero, and yet he committed war crimes :doh

What is a disgrace was how Bomber Harris and the aircrew of Bomber Command weren't recognised and honoured at the end of WW2 - it has taken until this year for the Govt to agree a medal clasp and the memorial unveiled last year was paid for by public donations.

[joebloggs]

What is a disgrace was how Bomber Harris and the aircrew of Bomber Command weren't recognised and honoured at the end of WW2 - it has taken until this year for the Govt to agree a medal clasp and the memorial unveiled last year was paid for by public donations.

:xxgrinning--00xx3: it was to break the will of the German people. they thought they were safe, while the Luftwaffe bombed and murdered British civilians in the cities. same reason the Americans bombed Japan, it ended the war sooner and saved more lives, even thou it was a massive loss of lives.

[bigmarco]

well there is a few on here who are not fans of hers

do you remember the news at 10, at the end Tev Mcdonald would say how many 1000s of jobs were lost that day ?

record levels of unemployment, culture of greed, no compassion at all, stole milk from kids, sold off everything that was British

I've told you why i dont like her, tell me the reasons you do Steve

have you ever been a member of a Union ? i haven't no unions where i've worked, but some employers treat you like :censored: sometimes, i've had to in the past taken 2 different employers to tribunals for my basic rights, if i was in a union they wouldn't have been able to do what they did.

:xxgrinning--00xx3: Well said Joe for some reason I can't give you rep :xxgrinning--00xx3:
My above inflation pay rise kicks in this month. I'm half way through a 4 year deal that guarantees above inflation every year. Why? Because I'm in a Union and a bloody good union. If the fares rise above inflation every year then so should the wages.
Thatcher reeled people in. She enabled people to buy houses and shares in what they already owned and they fell for it. Now they're paying through the nose to foreign owned Utility companies and if you need care in your old age they'll take your house off you to pay for it.
All I hear these days is people saying you should be grateful for what you've got, grateful to have a job. The Tories have actually got people believing it's right that they should pay for the crimes of bankers. The worlds gone mad :cwm23:

[grahamw48]

Nothing in there that Tony Bliar and his fellow hypocites couldn't have 'put right' if they'd so desired, during their 13 years of plunder and neglect. :smile:

[Dedworth]

Nothing in there that Tony Bliar and his fellow hypocites couldn't have 'put right' if they'd so desired, during their 13 years of plunder and neglect. :smile:


They could have even started with the school milk which Mrs Thatcher withdrew in 1971 - come to think of it Wilson and Callaghan ought to have reinstated it. Those two however were too busy kowtowing to the union barons whereas Blair and Brown busied themselves dishing out knighthoods to the Bankers and City Slickers.

Working class party my ar$e :icon_lol:

[imagine]

They could have even started with the school milk which Mrs Thatcher withdrew in 1971 - come to think of it Wilson and Callaghan ought to have reinstated it. Those two however were too busy kowtowing to the union barons whereas Blair and Brown busied themselves dishing out knighthoods to the Bankers and City Slickers.

Working class party my ar$e :icon_lol:

there hasnt been a working class party since before maggie

[Dedworth]

there hasnt been a working class party since before maggie

:omg:

You surprise me Imagine .... Millipede, Balls, Harman, Brown, Blair and the rest of the apparatchiks ceaselessly strive to come across as class warriors and champions of the downtrodden. I must be missing something somewhere :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

The above are no better than any of the rich and the successful they pretend to despise...worse if anything. :smile:

.
http://imageshack.us/a/img153/4781/richpoorman.jpg

[joebloggs]

years of plunder and neglect. :smile:

:xxgrinning--00xx3: that's true of the Tories too, Cameron just like thatcher taking more from the poor and giving back to the rich :doh

if you've got kids these days your :censored: if you both work, child care cost will cripple you if you don't have a family member to look after them or take them to school. because Cameron and his bullingdon boys have lowered the cut off where you get nothing if you work :NoNo:

[imagine]

:omg:

You surprise me Imagine .... Millipede, Balls, Harman, Brown, Blair and the rest of the apparatchiks ceaselessly strive to come across as class warriors and champions of the downtrodden. I must be missing something somewhere :biggrin:

there all self self self any and all the partys

[les_taxi]

That was a myth the Argies started, the ship is on the bottom facing away from Argentina. You have to simply ask, what was a troop ship, full of armed troops, doing in waters near a war zone? :Erm: ... sightseeing? :doh

:icon_lol::xxgrinning--00xx3:
Maybe we should have let them kill some of our men!
Too bloody right sink it :biggrin:

[les_taxi]

Too many people in this country think it owes em a living,as for dodgy benefits claimants stuff em,We need new motorways building:biggrin:

[grahamw48]

:xxgrinning--00xx3: that's true of the Tories to, Cameron just like thatcher taking more from the poor and giving back to the rich :doh

if you've got kids these days your :censored: if you both work, child care cost will cripple you if you don't have a family member to look after them or take them to school. because Cameron and his bullingdon boys have lowered the cut off where you get nothing if you work :NoNo:


I'm not defending the Tories.

...and, IMO it's down to the breakdown of the traditional 'extended family' that has given rise to a lot of our current social problems (including requiring payment of benefits) , as well as the inflexibility of some couples.

My ex-partner and I managed to bring up 3 children without ever needing to pay for any kind of childcare, and my own mother brought up 4, without even the use of a babysitter...most of the time my dad being away at sea too.

Apart from one armed robber on my dad's side, there are no criminals or spongers amongst us either.

[les_taxi]

did you buy shares in british gas, british telecom, etc ? if you did you bought what you already owned and was robbed from those who didn't/couldn't buy shares

if you didn't you was robbed becuase what you owned was sold off at a discount

either way thatcher shafted you :action-smiley-081:

Ni I did not buy them to be honest,think I have been shafted good and proper by the last government though,"never had it so bad":biggrin:

[Dedworth]

:xxgrinning--00xx3: that's true of the Tories to, Cameron just like thatcher taking more from the poor and giving back to the rich :doh

if you've got kids these days your :censored: if you both work, child care cost will cripple you if you don't have a family member to look after them or take them to school. because Cameron and his bullingdon boys have lowered the cut off where you get nothing if you work :NoNo:

As Graham said Joe why, during their 13 years of power ,didn't Labour put back what Mrs Thatcher supposedly "took away" ?

Too busy playing at being Class Warriors and concealing their wealth and privilege no doubt - I've not heard Mandelson and Two Jags open their gobs in the House of Lords lately

[joebloggs]

did you and your ex-wife both work ?? and did your mother work ?

me and the misses both work, we do not have anyone to look after the kids, I've thought about quitting work because of all the hassle, sure its my fault for having kids or is it ? the cost of living now is far higher than it use to be when mostly the father only worked. them days are gone for most now :NoNo:

[imagine]

:icon_lol::xxgrinning--00xx3:
Maybe we should have let them kill some of our men!
Too bloody right sink it:biggrin:

the news at the time said the ship was in retreat, so it was not a threat, shot in the back i say, a war crime

[grahamw48]

did you and your ex-wife both work ?? and did your mother work ?

me and the misses both work, we do not have anyone to look after the kids, i've thought about quitting work because of all the hassle, sure its my fault for having kids or is it ? the cost of living now is far higher than it use to be when mostly the father only worked. them days are gone for most now :NoNo:

We both worked Joe.

Practically from the first day my ex arrived in the UK she worked, because she didn't want to be bored silly putting her feet up at home. First as a cleaner, then a waitress, and finally as assistant manager in a restaurant.

We both worked, but organised our hours and jobs so that one of us was always there for the kids.

My own mother never had a job after getting married and having children. That's the way she and my dad wanted it.
We struggled because in those days forces pay was very low, but they'd had the good sense to save the deposit on a house and then buy one BEFORE they had any kids. Apart from 'family allowance' my parents never claimed any benefits whatsover. They just lived sensibly and within their budget, while doing their best for us kids.

I disagree that the cost of living is higher now. It depends on what you define as necessities I suppose. Everyone is different.

I for instance don't feel it is a requirement to have at least one large 4-wheel drive vehicle on my driveway and a rack of wine in my kitchen to feel good about my status. :anerikke:

I do however feel good when my children have some quality books to read and are given stimulating and fun things to do, within a loving home :smile: (or outside it).

[les_taxi]

the news at the time said the ship was in retreat, so it was not a threat, shot in the back i say, a war crime

How do you know that news is true?
Was a war situation-they were geared up for conflict,You would rather take a chance and let our men be attacked?
If I was armed and saw a gunman hold a kid at gunpoint and then he ran away I would definitely "take him out" who is to say he is not going to attack another day, Presumably you would let him off:doh

[les_taxi]

People go on about the cost of living,makes me laugh.
Food years ago seemed far dearer than it is now,We all used to have sunday roast,then cold meat and mash on a monday.
Me good ol mum would sometimes say "it's chicken next week" I would tell my mate and he would come round for what was seen as a luxury in those days.
Yes food was cheaper but my first wage was £10.00 a week
Most people could eat chicken everyday if they wanted now.
It's tough these days having,car or more than one,Sky tv,wine in the kitchen as graham says ,Ipads,pcs,ps3s etc We don't know were born these days.

[grahamw48]

Les: ref. Belgrano.

Agree mate.

I did have to laugh at this... :laugher:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22044970

Apparently she hasn't received an invite to the funeral...surprise surprise. :biggrin:

[les_taxi]

Les: ref. Belgrano.

Agree mate.

I did have to laugh at this... :laugher:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22044970

Apparently she hasn't received an invite to the funeral ...surprise surprise. :biggrin:
True words too, Maggie would have wiped the floor with her, Milliband would have wiped her .... :icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

Oh, and for those who have short memories...

April 2010: UK PM Gordon Brown refers to an elderly voter as a "bigoted woman" in his car - unaware that a microphone was still attached to his jacket - after she had earlier confronted him about the economy and immigration. :smile:

Yes, it's all the fault of the Tories. :NoNo:

[Dedworth]

Oh, and for those who have short memories...

April 2010: UK PM Gordon Brown refers to an elderly voter as a "bigoted woman" in his car - unaware that a microphone was still attached to his jacket - after she had earlier confronted him about the economy and immigration. :smile:

Yes, it's all the fault of the Tories. :NoNo:

How times have changed in One Nation Labour :laugher: a mere 3 years ago they (then New Labour) considered it a heinous crime for a prole to whisper anything negative about immigration or multiculturalism

[joebloggs]

How times have changed in One Nation Labour :laugher: a mere 3 years ago they (then New Labour) considered it a heinous crime for a prole to whisper anything negative about immigration or multiculturalism

and nothing has changed with the Tories - 'primary purpose rule' back in the 80s' and now minimum income requirement, 5yrs to ILR :icon_lol:

[Dedworth]

and nothing has changed with the Tories - 'primary purpose rule' back in the 80s' and now minimum income requirement, 5yrs to ILR :icon_lol:

As you know Joe genuine applicants now have to suffer due to the rules being tightened up following Labours 13 chaotic years of letting all and sundry in

[joebloggs]

We both worked Joe.


We both worked, but organised our hours and jobs so that one of us was always there for the kids.




it's not possible for me and the misses to do that, she could be working days or nights, it changes weekly.

i think you'll find that the cost of living had increased,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/household-bills/9680091/British-families-need-25000-just-to-survive.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/personal-finance/cost-of-living-family-finances-stretched-1562332

[grahamw48]

As you know Joe genuine applicants now have to suffer due to the rules being tightened up following Labours 13 chaotic years of letting all and sundry in

Absolutely right. ...and that comes from one who KNOWS. :wink:

[imagine]

How do you know that news is true?
Was a war situation-they were geared up for conflict,You would rather take a chance and let our men be attacked?
If I was armed and saw a gunman hold a kid at gunpoint and then he ran away I would definitely "take him out" who is to say he is not going to attack another day, Presumably you would let him off:doh

she changed the rules so she could legally sink that ship without being accused of war crime,
any other country with the exception of america would face fierce criticism by the west and be accused of crime of war, one rule for the west another rule for them,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je_5LFgcagA

[joebloggs]

As you know Joe genuine applicants now have to suffer due to the rules being tightened up following Labours 13 chaotic years of letting all and sundry in

and what was thatchers excuse for the 'primary purpose rule' back in the 80's then :icon_rolleyes: you know the answer dedworth you just don't want to believe it :doh

[les_taxi]

she changed the rules so she could leagaly sink that ship without being accused of war crime,
any other country withy the exception of america would face fierce critisicum by the west and be accused of crime of war, one rule for the west another rule for them,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je_5LFgcagA
Can you just clarify who started the conflict?

[Dedworth]

and what was thatchers excuse for the 'primary purpose rule' back in the 80's then :icon_rolleyes: you know the answer dedworth you just don't want to believe it :doh

I dunno Joe and I don't particularly care - perhaps you can explain what relevance 1930's UK immigration rules might have today. Its the same old Labour thing diving back into insignificant history to try and attach some sort of blame to the other side.

[imagine]

Can you just clarify who started the conflict?

argentina ,who started it is not the answer to why she shot them in the back,but it does say something about the morals or lack of morals of the witch

[grahamw48]

it's not possible for me and the misses to do that, she could be working days or nights, it changes weekly.

i think you'll find that the cost of living had increased,


Yes Joe, I can understand that some people's working hours (as with you and your wife) can present problems. I do believe that most people DO have more options though...just that they're not willing to compromise.

As far as those cost of living reports go, well, I would say most if not all those increases (there are decreases too of course) are down to LIFESTYLE choices and the difference in what are generally considered as NECESSITIES these days, rather than any real increase. Most of the time I was a kid we had neither car, TV nor phone, nevermind blinkin broadband.

We didn't particularly miss any of them, neither did we have them to pay for. It did enable my parents to feed and educate us properly though, and to pay for their own house which increased in value through the years.

[les_taxi]

Having watched that video I'm even more with Maggie,too right any danger to our troops had to be eliminated:xxgrinning--00xx3:
Can you find me the video confirming the Argentinians had a right to invade the Falkland islands:icon_lol:

[les_taxi]

argentina ,who started it is not the answer to why she shot them in the back,but it does say something about the morals or lack of morals of the witch

So then let's say they were running away,what would you say then if they had survived and at some point killed British personnel?
This should be good:biggrin:

[joebloggs]

I dunno Joe and I don't particularly care - perhaps you can explain what relevance 1930's UK immigration rules might have today. Its the same old Labour thing diving back into insignificant history to try and attach some sort of blame to the other side.


1930 ! you mean 1980s !!
i've already posted the reason , you replied , remember my post on Bob Carr :icon_rolleyes: and is it the same reason now :Erm:, and a double whammy hit the poor at the same time with a minimum income requirement :biggrin:

[imagine]

So then let's say they were running away,what would you say then if they had survived and at some point killed British personnel?
This should be good:biggrin:
there was no reason for them to, they were in retreat, it was obvious the conflict was over,
the point is the west insist there are rules of war, anything out of those rules is classed as a war crime, but its ok maggie could do whatever she wanted

[Dedworth]

1930 ! you mean 1980s !!
i've already posted the reason , you replied , remember my post on Bob Carr :icon_rolleyes: and is it the same reason now :Erm:, and a double whammy hit the poor at the same time with a minimum income requirement :biggrin:

Correct me if I'm wrong I must be missing something here Joe - I stated that recent tightening of immigration rules was due to Labours open door policy 1997-2010 - you harked back to some irrelevant primary purpose thingy in the 1980's. I sarcastically mentioned the 1930's, I could just as easily said the 40's or 50's.It's just like Blair apologising for slavery, bleating on about school milk etc absolutely nothing to do with today's situation

[les_taxi]

there was no reason for them to, they were in retreat, it was obvious the conflict was over,
the point is the west insist there are rules of war, anything out of those rules is classed as a war crime, but its ok maggie could do whatever she wanted

Ooops now your looking a bit out of depth on this,you do realize that the Belgrano was sank at the beggining of the war,so how could the conflict be over:doh
Suggest you do a bit of research,you do realise that we lost over 200 men and some falkland islanders were killed-did they ask to be?
Blimey i hope we never have a conventional war you would be out serving the enemy Canapes!
Also technically we were not offically at war!

[Dedworth]

there was no reason for them to, they were in retreat, it was obvious the conflict was over,


:Erm: conflict was over ??

2 May Belgrano sunk
4 May HMS Sheffield hit by Exocet
21 May British forces land on Falklands
27 May 2 Para take Goose Green
8 June Sir Galahad bombed
11,12 13 June British forces take Mount Longdon, Two Sisters, Mount Harriet, Mount Tumbledown and Wireless Ridge
14 June Argies surrender

[les_taxi]

:Erm: conflict was over ??

2 May Belgrano sunk
4 May HMS Sheffield hit by Exocet
21 May British forces land on Falklands
27 May 2 Para take Goose Green
8 June Sir Galahad bombed
11,12 13 June British forces take Mount Longdon, Two Sisters, Mount Harriet, Mount Tumbledown and Wireless Ridge
14 June Argies surrender

Cheers Dedworth facts always help an arguament:xxgrinning--00xx3:
I just googled this and it seems a fair statement

Regardless of controversies over the sinking, it had a crucial strategic effect: the elimination of the Argentine naval threat. After her loss, the entire Argentine fleet, with the exception of the conventional submarine ARA San Luis,[54] returned to port and did not leave again for the duration of hostilities. The two escorting destroyers and the battle group centred on the aircraft carrier ARA Veinticinco de Mayo both withdrew from the area, ending the direct threat to the British fleet that their pincer movement had represented.

That says it all for me:smile:

[joebloggs]

:icon_lol: the last Tory gov, that's Thatcher brought in a 'primary purpose rule' , oh was there slavery in the 1980's. it seems only 30yrs ago :doh

"the primary purpose rule", which was imposed by the Conservatives in 1993. It required that someone wishing to follow his or her spouse into Britain to prove that "the marriage was not entered into primarily to obtain admission to the UK". Proving a negative, as the rule obliged the candidate to do, was extremely difficult, and large numbers of spouses were refused entry into Britain as a result.

Labour abolished that rule soon after the election in 1997.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5028913/All-you-need-to-know-about-immigration-in-Britain-today.html

what is todays situation ? do you think a British citizen or someone who is a legal resident in the UK should have the legal right to bring their spouse and family to the UK ?

[imagine]

Ooops now your looking a bit out of depth on this,you do realize that the Belgrano was sank at the beggining of the war,so how could the conflict be over:doh
Suggest you do a bit of research,you do realise that we lost over 200 men and some falkland islanders were killed-did they ask to be?
Blimey i hope we never have a conventional war you would be out serving the enemy Canapes!
Also technically we were not offically at war!

i know the dates , they had no chance, argentinian service men were hardly trained for war, seems it was over before it started, mmm technically we were not offically at war mmm so it couldnt be a war crime then after all, must have been mass murder

[Dedworth]

:icon_lol: the last Tory gov, that's Thatcher brought in a 'primary purpose rule' , oh was there slavery in the 1980's. it seems only 30yrs ago :doh

"the primary purpose rule", which was imposed by the Conservatives in 1993. It required that someone wishing to follow his or her spouse into Britain to prove that "the marriage was not entered into primarily to obtain admission to the UK". Proving a negative, as the rule obliged the candidate to do, was extremely difficult, and large numbers of spouses were refused entry into Britain as a result.

Labour abolished that rule soon after the election in 1997.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5028913/All-you-need-to-know-about-immigration-in-Britain-today.html

what is todays situation ? do you think a British citizen or someone who is a legal resident in the UK should have the legal right to bring their spouse and family to the UK ?

So 1993 not Mrs Thatcher ..........brought in by Majors Govt that was only on the books for 4 years. I wonder how many marriages of convenience, cousins from the sub continent etc, criminals, terrorists, sick etc came in during the period 1997-2010

[stevewool]

well there is a few on here who are not fans of hers

do you remember the news at 10, at the end Trev Mcdonald would say how many 1000s of jobs were lost that day ?

record levels of unemployment, culture of greed, no compassion at all, stole milk from kids, sold off everything that was British

I've told you why i dont like her, tell me the reasons you do Steve

have you ever been a member of a Union ? i haven't no unions where i've worked, but some employers treat you like :censored: sometimes, i've had to in the past taken 2 different employers to tribunals for my basic rights, if i was in a union they wouldn't have been able to do what they did.

Well there is no reason really it just gets my goat when the names start calling. Now being a member of a union never have been, I have been lucky in work just two jobs inm my life . Yes sometimes my boss gets on his high horse and shouts and calls everyone names but call me any name you want if he's willing to pay me very well. I have been imploded just the once and that was so bad and in the 6 months I was out of work it took years to get back to being ok. Now life is good I could retire now if I had too and be happy but I won't. No governments have helped me no unions have help me too its all down to myself just like life if yourself wants something go and get it don't wait for any handouts from any government or unions

[Dedworth]

i know the dates , they had no chance, argentinian service men were hardly trained for war, seems it was over before it started, mmm technically we were not offically at war mmm so it couldnt be a war crime then after all, must have been mass murder

Are you saying it acceptable for Argentina and its hardly trained but fully armed servicemen to invade another nations territory but another matter when they had to face the consequences ? Surely to avoid bloodshed the sensible way would have been for them to pack up and go home

[imagine]

Are you saying it acceptable for Argentina and its hardly trained but fully armed servicemen to invade another nations territory but another matter when they had to face the consequences ? Surely to avoid bloodshed the sensible way would have been for them to pack up and go home

who's territory is it realy, im sure its not theirs or ours

[stevewool]

Wow you lot know so much and we all have a opinion which is good , it's god to read all this history. Again I am not bill on politics but I am sure on this there is not one good party or leader out there just yet

[Dedworth]

who's territory is it realy, im sure its not theirs or ours

Ours no question whatsoever

[imagine]

Ours no question whatsoever

i think you might find it isnt or i think i should have said its debatable could be french,
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-qa-why-are-the-falklands-british/10144

[imagine]

she stabbed them in the back just the same as she stabbed her own working class at home,
who the island belongs to is nothing to do with her action to change rules just to sink a ship in retreat
now thats fact

[les_taxi]

i think you might find it isnt or i think i should have said its debatable could be french,
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-qa-why-are-the-falklands-british/10144

Well I think you will find Argentina doesn't belong to the Argies anyway:biggrin:
Sorry for being loyal to the Crown and our servicemen but you lost your credibility in this discussion when you said the belgrano was sank at the end of the war-pure rubbish.
Lets hope we never have a war as I don't think you will be on my side:icon_lol:

[Terpe]

I'm not a politically minded person. I'd prefer to see talented folks running the country and government departments regardless of political doctrine.

Just feel like contributing my own feelings from all those many years ago and the reasons why Thatcherism was born by recounting some historical facts that I lived through.

Don't forget that was long long ago and society was different, culture was different.

Does anyone here remember those 1970's times of the oil-shocks, the stock market crash and huge raging inflation?
I would say we were so very lucky to have had the opportunity of the coming oil revenues then.

Also anyone remember how we went cap in hand to the IMF so we could beg on our knees to secure a 'bail-out' of £2.5bn ?
The then Chancellor of the Exchequer, Denis Healey,(nice bloke I thought) implemented severe public spending cuts and a major strategy of economic austerity.

Thatcher became Prime Minister in 1979.
Already the UK had become a complete economic basket-case. The economic outlook was more than bleak, it was desperate .
Growth did not exist. Inflation was killing the living standards of everyone.
The years of conflict between the unions and the then Labour government eventually led to government chaos and downfall.

The then Labour government was completely helpless as it tried to enforce an incomes policy on the reluctant trade unions, inflation was at record highs.
The oil tanker drivers were striking at will, road haulage disputes with violent and bitter secondary picketing, followed by a strike of the public sector put the whole country into shock. The government had given up. The Unions were discontented and extreme. Between 9 - 10 million days got lost due to industrial action. Even more than the historic general strike of 1926.
I reckon we all remember those public sector strikes. The author Douglas Smith wrote “ the county was virtually paralysed”, he even said there was 'a serious shortage of food and medical supplies.'

As a young man in my twenties I actually lived and worked through all those times. It was darn scary and constantly unstable. Many time I thought I'd lose everthing.

That period from 1974 -1979 was such a disaster. In almost every respect it became a political legend. Seems too many folks forget too easily.

I haven't.!!!!!!

When Harold Wilson resigned in 1976, he knew, the whole country knew, he was leaving a sinking ship.

James Callaghan did his best but still formed a devils-pact with the Liberals, not only to stay in power but also to finally bring the unions under a controlling whip and to also to finally force an incomes policy on them come what may.

Herein lay the roots for the infamous 'Winter of Discontent'. Remember that?

I do!!!!!

All the above are FACTS. Period.

Nothing to do with Thatcher at all.

But try to think back to those times. If you lived through them try to really recall the emotions.

This next rant may not be factual, but just how I saw it at the time.

The unions had originally given birth to the Labour party. Blood is thicker than water when it come to children and there could never be any winners between them. Not even the country itself could win.

I wanted something to happen. The whole country wanted something big to happen.

It did.
The "Winter of Discontent"

Followed by Mrs Thatcher winning the next election. For good or for bad.

That's called history, and I lived through it. What a time I've had.

Just my 2 centavos

[grahamw48]

Well I think you will find Argentina doesn't belong to the Argies anyway:biggrin:
Sorry for being loyal to the Crown and our servicemen but you lost your credibility in this discussion when you said the belgrano was sank at the end of the war-pure rubbish.
Lets hope we never have a war as I don't think you will be on my side:icon_lol:
.
Yes, most are pretty much 'Johnny-come latelies'. :smile:

.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigen...s_in_Argentina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_in_Argentina)

[les_taxi]

I'm not a politically minded person. I'd prefer to see talented folks running the country and government departments regardless of political doctrine.

Just feel like contributing my own feelings from all those many years ago and the reasons why Thatcherism was born by recounting some historical facts that I lived through.

Don't forget that was long long ago and society was different, culture was different.

Does anyone here remember those 1970's times of the oil-shocks, the stock market crash and huge raging inflation?
I would say we were so very lucky to have had the opportunity of the coming oil revenues then.

Also anyone remember how we went cap in hand to the IMF so we could beg on our knees to secure a 'bail-out' of £2.5bn ?
The then Chancellor of the Exchequer, Denis Healey,(nice bloke I thought) implemented severe public spending cuts and a major strategy of economic austerity.

Thatcher became Prime Minister in 1979.
Already the UK had become a complete economic basket-case. The economic outlook was more than bleak, it was desperate .
Growth did not exist. Inflation was killing the living standards of everyone.
The years of conflict between the unions and the then Labour government eventually led to government chaos and downfall.

The then Labour government was completely helpless as it tried to enforce an incomes policy on the reluctant trade unions, inflation was at record highs.
The oil tanker drivers were striking at will, road haulage disputes with violent and bitter secondary picketing, followed by a strike of the public sector put the whole country into shock. The government had given up. The Unions were discontented and extreme. Between 9 - 10 million days got lost due to industrial action. Even more than the historic general strike of 1926.
I reckon we all remember those public sector strikes. The author Douglas Smith wrote “ the county was virtually paralysed”, he even said there was 'a serious shortage of food and medical supplies.'

As a young man in my twenties I actually lived and worked through all those times. It was darn scary and constantly unstable. Many time I thought I'd lose everthing.

That period from 1974 -1979 was such a disaster. In almost every respect it became a political legend. Seems too many folks forget too easily.

I haven't.!!!!!!

When Harold Wilson resigned in 1976, he knew, the whole country knew, he was leaving a sinking ship.

James Callaghan did his best but still formed a devils-pact with the Liberals, not only to stay in power but also to finally bring the unions under a controlling whip and to also to finally force an incomes policy on them come what may.

Herein lay the roots for the infamous 'Winter of Discontent'. Remember that?

I do!!!!!

All the above are FACTS. Period.

Nothing to do with Thatcher at all.

But try to think back to those times. If you lived through them try to really recall the emotions.

This next rant may not be factual, but just how I saw it at the time.

The unions had originally given birth to the Labour party. Blood is thicker than water when it come to children and there could never be any winners between them. Not even the country itself could win.

I wanted something to happen. The whole country wanted something big to happen.

It did.
The "Winter of Discontent"

Followed by Mrs Thatcher winning the next election. For good or for bad.

That's called history, and I lived through it. What a time I've had.

Just my 2 centavos

Very well said and just how I felt as I lived through it,rep for that it's an excellent post:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[London_Manila]

Thatcher's great idea of selling off all our social housing stock (most of it)
buy your own council house now and then in the future we will will put up the interest rates to 15% and then you lose it = lack of social housing now rents sky high

privatise everything was such a great idea = so enjoy your winter fuel bills now not to mention water bills

British Rail = rail fares are high now thank her for that

I will give her some credit for curbing the unions but the effect of that went way too far
people nowadays are getting government handouts because their employers dont pay them a "livable" wage
Greedy employers in the uk pay peanuts to their workers and the governments backs them up with tax credits
The influx of eastern Europeans actually helped the greedy employers here because they will work for peanuts
Driving wages down to pathetic levels ...................

I count myself lucky as i work in a unionised workplace the same kind of union that the right wing Tory press would have you believe that are so bad for our country = bad for greedy employers only not bad for normal people who actually work and demand a livable wage

[Pete/London]

Yes lived through it as well Peter, 3 day weeks, bodies not getting buried, union closed shop practices. I was working on the building of the Barbican and rarely got a full week in because of strikes. The country was an embarrassment.

Do you know I had high hopes that these union leaders were going to make a contribution from the house of lords, like fighting for better pensions for the working man, not a whisper. All took their payoff into the sunset.

[les_taxi]

Think you will find some of these "union leaders" champions of the working class have done very well for themselves:icon_lol:

[Michael Parnham]

Wow! what a subject, all I have to say is, "lets have more leaders like Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher then the nation wouldn't be in a mess. And with reference to the coal mining industry, it was Arthur Scargill that destroyed all the mining industry!

[les_taxi]

Yes it was that low life Scargill:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

Think you will find some of these "union leaders" champions of the working class have done very well for themselves:icon_lol:

you'll find many more bosses who did even better, Former HBOS boss £590,000 pension :icon_lol http://money.uk.msn.com/ex-bank-boss-offers-knighthood-back-1
thats more than some people will earn in a working life time in charge of a collapsed bank :cwm25:

employers who can get away with not paying pay rises, i know people who have not had a pay rise in 10yrs, the only increase they got was when the minimum wage was increased and changes in tax allowances,

sounds like many of you have never worked for a :censored: employer :Erm:

[grahamw48]

True for the past 30 years.

If I don't go out and do some work my pay = ZERO minus my expenses. :smile:

[grahamw48]

Yes it was that low life Scargill:xxgrinning--00xx3:

YES it was ! :biggrin:

[bigmarco]

Probably find that there's not many union leaders could afford to spend the last 4/5 months of their life in a suite at the Ritz :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

Well old Arthur has hardly been roughing it. :biggrin:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/shortcuts/2012/oct/07/arthur-scargill-barbican

[joebloggs]

Probably find that there's not many union leaders could afford to spend the last 4/5 months of their life in a suite at the Ritz :biggrin:

and as i posted before, some pensioners cant even afford the Ritz biscuit.

i bet she was on a nice pension unlike many pensioners :NoNo:

but hey i was doing good in them days. and that's all that matters - compassion :xxgrinning--00xx3:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/apr/09/margaret-thatcher-policies-poor-society

But from the very beginning of the 18 years of Conservative rule the poor were under the cosh. No developed state, with the exception of New Zealand, suffered such a brutal widening of inequality. In 1979 the post-tax income of the top 10% of the population was five times that of the bottom 10%; by 1997 it had doubled to 10 times as much. After three decades during which economic growth was shared across income groups, the distribution went into reverse.

[Dedworth]

you'll find many more bosses who did even better, Former HBOS boss £590,000 pension :icon_lol http://money.uk.msn.com/ex-bank-boss-offers-knighthood-back-1
thats more than some people will earn in a working life time in charge of a collapsed bank :cwm25:

employers who can get away with not paying pay rises, i know people who have not had a pay rise in 10yrs, the only increase they got was when the minimum wage was increased and changes in tax allowances,

sounds like many of you have never worked for a :censored: employer :Erm:

Who gave that HBOS creep Crosby the knighthood (for services to the financial industry) in the first place ? Step forward Tony Blair :laugher:

No pay rise for 10 years - 2003, well before the recession and half way through Labours tenure. I'm shocked that they allowed ordinary workers to be treated like this. I suppose "New Labour" were too busy buying expensive houses, sucking up to the city slickers and encouraging hordes of so called "asylum seekers" in.

Most of them have never worked for an employer - unless we include Councils, Union Jobs, Political Aides and Legal Aid Funded Barristers

[bigmarco]

£3660 a night. Not bad for a grocers daughter :cwm23:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306724/Margaret-Thatcher-The-Ritz-suite-died-peacefully-sitting-bed-reading.html

[grahamw48]

Poor old Tony. :bigcry:
.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/9015294/Inside-the-intriguing-world-of-Tony-Blair-Incorporated.html

[KeithD]

the news at the time said the ship was in retreat, so it was not a threat, shot in the back i say, a war crime

We've seen the ship on the bottom in the last couple of years by the same guys that done the Titanic. The way it was lying was pointing away from Argentina. Maybe you also missed the bit that HMS Conqueror, our nuclear sub, was being depth charged at the time by the Belgrano's covering destroyers?

So we were at war, our sub was under attack, the troop ships had fully armed destroyers with it, and we now have picture proof from an independent source that the ship was moving away from Argentina. The Belgrano's last order, picked up by the signals-intercept unit ordered the ship to meet up with other Argentinian warships inside the Exclusion Zone.

[J&G]

For any economists in the room, my friend just wrote an interesting blog on this topic.

Check it out here: http://shaundacosta.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/thatcherism-some-hard-truths/

Thatcher, yes, her policies jolted the economy (i.e. GDP) back to life, but at what cost? - Income inequality (i.e. the rich-poor gap) and the overall proportion of the population living below the 60% median income both rose sharply! - Say what you will about the social issues, but these are the hard economic truths.

J & G

[imagine]

We've seen the ship on the bottom in the last couple of years by the same guys that done the Titanic. The way it was lying was pointing away from Argentina. Maybe you also missed the bit that HMS Conqueror, our nuclear sub, was being depth charged at the time by the Belgrano's covering destroyers?

So we were at war, our sub was under attack, the troop ships had fully armed destroyers with it, and we now have picture proof from an independent source that the ship was moving away from Argentina. The Belgrano's last order, picked up by the signals-intercept unit ordered the ship to meet up with other Argentinian warships inside the Exclusion Zone.

guess i'll retreat :biggrin: just dont shoot me in the back :laugher::laugher::laugher:

[les_taxi]

guess i'll retreat :biggrin: just dont shoot me in the back :laugher::laugher::laugher:

Just take it as a lesson Imagine, we were invaded, they sent ships to destroy us, we got them first :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[London_Manila]

Think you will find some of these "union leaders" champions of the working class have done very well for themselves:icon_lol:

They pay a union leader over 100k and the right wing gutter press make a meal about it (yawn)

Compared to the captains of industry who bank role the Tory party and the greedy bankers in the city
union leaders are not overpaid

Not all union leaders are like Scargill and most union leaders are doing a good job for their members who actually happen to be normal working people like myself

[KeithD]

who's territory is it really, im sure its not theirs or ours

:Erm: It's ours. For the same reason as The Shetlands, Isle of Man & Jeresy are, or are we not allowed to control islands? Maybe we should just leave Anguilla, Ascension Islands, Bermuda, the British Antartic Territory, etc

If your argument is based on distance then all Western countries are invaders of Antarctica. Ulaniban Island is 718 miles from Manila, which is twice as far as the Falklands from Argentina so maybe they shouldn't have that.

Or if it is based on who landed on the island first, that was the British. No record of any Argies landing before us exists, nor does any evidence they ever lived on the island, so if they did land they decided it was a wasteland and went home and forgot about it. Our sovereignty goes back to 1690. Some Argies went to live on the island in the early 1800's but soon left, before that though the French had settled and left, and then the Spanish.... so both those countries have more right to the island than Argentina.

[KeithD]

£3660 a night. Not bad for a grocers daughter :cwm23:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306724/Margaret-Thatcher-The-Ritz-suite-died-peacefully-sitting-bed-reading.html
:Erm: It's her money she can spend it on what the hell she likes the same as no one tells you how to spend yours ... apart from your other half :biggrin:

[Terpe]

:Erm: It's her money she can spend it on what the hell she likes the same as no one tells you how to spend yours ... apart from your other half :biggrin:

According to all reports she was invited to stay there by the owners. FOC

[bigmarco]

According to all reports she was invited to stay there by the owners. FOC

Yes you're right. She was given the suite by the Tax avoiding Barclay Brothers free of charge.
Despite being able to charge £3660 a night for a suite it may be worth noting that The Ritz hotel has paid no corporation tax in the UK by legally claiming reliefs for 17 years.

[KeithD]

Yes you're right. She was given the suite by the Tax avoiding Barclay Brothers free of charge.

That would also include anyone in the UK that uses an accountant, and those that work with cash, and many other folk who just submit incorrect information. It is human nature to pay less tax, everyone does it whenever they can, so please include ALL examples not just one. :smile:

[les_taxi]

This has been one of the strongest topics in ages and none of us are changing our mind no matter what is said :icon_lol:

[stevie c]

Talking of thatcher it looks like ding dong the wicked witch is dead will be the uk no 1 in the charts it seems there are an enormous amount of people buying this track to celebrate thatcher is dead right or wrong it must send a message out that she was disliked but quite a number of people

[Dedworth]

Yes you're right. She was given the suite by the Tax avoiding Barclay Brothers free of charge.
Despite being able to charge £3660 a night for a suite it may be worth noting that The Ritz hotel has paid no corporation tax in the UK by legally claiming reliefs for 17 years.

It's their business and up to them if they dish out goodwill, evaluation rooms etc. I don't think the Telegraphs journos, printers and other employees will be too concerned that the Barclay Bros live in the Channel Islands and pay low tax.

Anyway hats off to the Telegraph journalists for exposing hypocritical leech Margaret Hodge MP.

Margaret Hodge's family company pays just 0.01pc tax on £2.1bn of business generated in the UK


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businesslatestnews/9668396/Margaret-Hodges-family-company-pays-just-0.01pc-tax-on-2.1bn-of-business-generated-in-the-UK.html

[Dedworth]

Talking of thatcher it looks like ding dong the wicked witch is dead will be the uk no 1 in the charts it seems there are an enormous amount of people buying this track to celebrate thatcher is dead right or wrong it must send a message out that she was disliked but quite a number of people

Half of the sickos buying it were infants when she was PM and first heard her name this week

[KeithD]

You'll find that the majority buying it weren't even born or old enough to have any idea what politics was. You would have to be at a stretch at least 40 years old, and how many 40+ use the likes of ITunes compared with less than 40? 17 and under use ITunes twice as much as all other age groups.

Plus it doesn't take many sales to get to No.1 otherwise Bieber wouldn't be known :icon_lol:

[les_taxi]

You'll find that the majority buying it weren't even born or old enough to have any idea what politics was. You would have to be at a stretch at least 40 years old, and how many 40+ use the likes of ITunes compared with less than 40? 17 and under use ITunes twice as much as all other age groups.

Plus it doesn't take many sales to get to No.1 otherwise Bieber wouldn't be known :icon_lol:
Yes why do we have the likes of Jedward around lol
It's just sheep following sheep

[grahamw48]

Confirmation, if any were needed, that the average citizen of this country is pretty dense, sheep-like, and will always be swayed by what spin the media puts on anything. :icon_rolleyes:

Maggie came along when this country needed a good kick up the backside, and she provided it. Quite simple.

Who's Bieber ? :Erm:

[joebloggs]

:Erm: It ours. For the same reason as The Shetlands, Isle of Man & Jeresy are, or are we not allowed to control islands? Maybe we should just leave Anguilla, Ascension Islands, Bermuda, the British Antartic Territory, etc


what about HK. i had seen a poll where most wanted to remain under British rule, yet gave it back to China :doh

oh no surprise its Thatchers fault :doh:icon_lol

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/how-mrs-thatcher-lost-hong-kong-ten-years-ago-fired-up-by-her-triumph-in-the-falklands-war-margaret-thatcher-flew-to-peking-for-a-lastditch-attempt-to-keep-hong-kong-under-british-rule--only-to-meet-her-match-in-deng-xiaoping-two-years-later-she-signed-the-agreement-handing-the-territory-to-china-1543375.html

[stevie c]

But they have probably been raised to know how hard & disgraceful life for their families was under the thatcher regime
It was a good time if you were rich but a living hell if you were a poor family

[Dedworth]

what about HK. i had seen a poll where most wanted to remain under British rule, yet gave it back to China :doh

oh no surprise its Thatchers fault :doh:icon_lol

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/how-mrs-thatcher-lost-hong-kong-ten-years-ago-fired-up-by-her-triumph-in-the-falklands-war-margaret-thatcher-flew-to-peking-for-a-lastditch-attempt-to-keep-hong-kong-under-british-rule--only-to-meet-her-match-in-deng-xiaoping-two-years-later-she-signed-the-agreement-handing-the-territory-to-china-1543375.html

What stream were you in for history at school Joe ? - under 19th century treaties with the Chinese we occupied Honkers under 99 year leases

[KeithD]

What stream were you in for history at school Joe ? - under 19th century treaties with the Chinese we occupied Honkers under 99 year leases

Yep. We had no choice but to give it back, just because you lease something for 100 years does not make it yours.

[les_taxi]

Never seen so many facts altered on a thread to win the argument!:icon_lol:

[joebloggs]

What stream were you in for history at school Joe ? - under 19th century treaties with the Chinese we occupied Honkers under 99 year leases

what it comes down to is china got a bigger stick to hit her with than the argies :biggrin:

[joebloggs]

Never seen so many facts altered on a thread to win the argument!:icon_lol:

what you mean there wasn't more people in poverty under thatcher? she didn't cut taxes for the rich :yikes:

[les_taxi]

what about HK. i had seen a poll where most wanted to remain under British rule, yet gave it back to China :doh

oh no surprise its Thatchers fault :doh:icon_lol

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/how-mrs-thatcher-lost-hong-kong-ten-years-ago-fired-up-by-her-triumph-in-the-falklands-war-margaret-thatcher-flew-to-peking-for-a-lastditch-attempt-to-keep-hong-kong-under-british-rule--only-to-meet-her-match-in-deng-xiaoping-two-years-later-she-signed-the-agreement-handing-the-territory-to-china-1543375.html

No this one :icon_lol:

[les_taxi]

there was no reason for them to, they were in retreat, it was obvious the conflict was over,
the point is the west insist there are rules of war, anything out of those rules is classed as a war crime, but its ok maggie could do whatever she wanted

Here is another, lots more dya want me to go on? :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

No this one :icon_lol:

well its in the independent, where's your side from the sun or the Mirror :biggrin:

a war does good for nationalism, creates jobs as well as death and gets the people backing the gov :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

When these people in this country in so-called poverty give up smoking, drinking, gambling, feeding their assorted pets and creating more and more new orrible little chavs, then I will have some sympathy for them...maybe.

Compared with the people in this world in GENUINE poverty, they have easy lives. :NoNo:

Let them all live in the slums of Bangladesh or other 3rd world countries for a few weeks, or in a refugee camp in Monrovia, to experience the true meaning of poverty.

Useless idle gits. :xxaction-smiley-047

[joebloggs]

Here is another,lots more dya want me to go on?:xxgrinning--00xx3:

post some facts les, about the good thatcher did for you, i wait your reply, well it will after wait til i get home, got to work now :doh

[les_taxi]

I'm not a politically minded person. I'd prefer to see talented folks running the country and government departments regardless of political doctrine.

Just feel like contributing my own feelings from all those many years ago and the reasons why Thatcherism was born by recounting some historical facts that I lived through.

Don't forget that was long long ago and society was different, culture was different.

Does anyone here remember those 1970's times of the oil-shocks, the stock market crash and huge raging inflation?
I would say we were so very lucky to have had the opportunity of the coming oil revenues then.

Also anyone remember how we went cap in hand to the IMF so we could beg on our knees to secure a 'bail-out' of £2.5bn ?
The then Chancellor of the Exchequer, Denis Healey,(nice bloke I thought) implemented severe public spending cuts and a major strategy of economic austerity.

Thatcher became Prime Minister in 1979.
Already the UK had become a complete economic basket-case. The economic outlook was more than bleak, it was desperate .
Growth did not exist. Inflation was killing the living standards of everyone.
The years of conflict between the unions and the then Labour government eventually led to government chaos and downfall.

The then Labour government was completely helpless as it tried to enforce an incomes policy on the reluctant trade unions, inflation was at record highs.
The oil tanker drivers were striking at will, road haulage disputes with violent and bitter secondary picketing, followed by a strike of the public sector put the whole country into shock. The government had given up. The Unions were discontented and extreme. Between 9 - 10 million days got lost due to industrial action. Even more than the historic general strike of 1926.
I reckon we all remember those public sector strikes. The author Douglas Smith wrote “ the county was virtually paralysed”, he even said there was 'a serious shortage of food and medical supplies.'

As a young man in my twenties I actually lived and worked through all those times. It was darn scary and constantly unstable. Many time I thought I'd lose everthing.

That period from 1974 -1979 was such a disaster. In almost every respect it became a political legend. Seems too many folks forget too easily.

I haven't.!!!!!!

When Harold Wilson resigned in 1976, he knew, the whole country knew, he was leaving a sinking ship.

James Callaghan did his best but still formed a devils-pact with the Liberals, not only to stay in power but also to finally bring the unions under a controlling whip and to also to finally force an incomes policy on them come what may.

Herein lay the roots for the infamous 'Winter of Discontent'. Remember that?

I do!!!!!

All the above are FACTS. Period.

Nothing to do with Thatcher at all.

But try to think back to those times. If you lived through them try to really recall the emotions.

This next rant may not be factual, but just how I saw it at the time.

The unions had originally given birth to the Labour party. Blood is thicker than water when it come to children and there could never be any winners between them. Not even the country itself could win.

I wanted something to happen. The whole country wanted something big to happen.

It did.
The "Winter of Discontent"

Followed by Mrs Thatcher winning the next election. For good or for bad.

That's called history, and I lived through it. What a time I've had.

Just my 2 centavos

I don't need to spend ages telling you why,Terpe summed it up perfectly.
I was pissed off with an the miners and unions holding the country to ransom.
The country was just a pile of washed out crap according to the rest of the world.
I was working hard earning good money,Maggie appereared and for me and many,many others was the figurehead the country needed to feel we were once again an Important country.
Sometimes you need to be pushed and to some extent told what to do,for me she took know ....,unions were strangling the country and as sad as it was for the miners she was right,it was uneconomical to continue as it was.
now call me a mean git but thats life,If I got to work and no-one wants a taxi anymore are you gonna bail me out ?
Doubt it,it's up to me to do something else.
People think the are owed a living makes me puke:Brick:
It's like the measures being taken now-we have overspent but the majority of the voting public dont grasp it,they will vote for another party as they dont like being told to tighten their belts,as much as we can blame the bankers we all have to take responsability for spending too much.
We did not need the Platinum visa card £15,000 credit limit but we took it anyway and spent it,then moaned when we had to pay it back!
Moving on to the Falkands dispute,I remember being shocked when that guy came on tv and said Hms Sheffield had been sunk!
I was wanting to bomb Buenos Aries!
Our guys did us proud and as for the sinking of the Belgrano great job carried out,not our fault the junta government filled it full of conscripts,they wanted to defeat the British and failed so maybe don't invade the Falkands Islands then!
Never felt more British and proud when we defeated them and in total admiration of Maggie in her unwavering and decisive leadership.
Yes she had brutal decisions to make-but she did them and never hid away.
totally admire the woman,always will.

[Dedworth]

Well said Les :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

Hear hear ! :Jump:

So, we're supposed to feel sorry for people 'living it large' beyond their means ? :NoNo:

No leader can save anyone from their own stupidity, but when you've got a stupid leader, like Scargill, or 'Red Robbo' of British Leyland 'fame'...:icon_rolleyes:

Actually, in their case stupid is too mild a word. CRAZY would be more apt.

[stevewool]

wow, its better then yesterday, but i am glad my sheep got mentioned againnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[Arthur Little]

wow, its better then yesterday, but i am glad my sheep got mentioned againnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

AMAZING, ISN'T it? :icon_rolleyes: ... we're already on page nnnnnnnnnine!

[stevewool]

amazing indeed, to a few she was not right, but then again nobody wants to be told what to do, but someone has to do that job, there are a few who like what she had done, me i cant remember other then the miners and the war, both affected me, but like many most have come out good

[joebloggs]

“There is no such thing as society” – Margaret Thatcher, 1988
“There is no such thing as Margaret Thatcher” – Society, 2013 :biggrin:

[Arthur Little]

most have come out good

............... :iagree: ... few have ANYTHING to complain about. No.