citizenship soon for me and my daughter

[Moy]

as this changes and rule arises:NoNo: i am applying hopefully for citizenship..was granted ILR last year but this rule this oct would be implement soon would rather apply soon ..regardless of stress and money still we need to look forward and be positive..:wink:
well anyway my concern is if i am eligible to apply citizenship this may/june i had one dependent and i am confuse if she could apply brittish passpor after the citizeship hopefullly we be granted with citizenhip..as were planning goin out country to ease the :olddude::ReadIt:tention:cwm3: maybe around just europe..has anyone here had same situation as mine..my 2 other kids had there brittish passport the were dual citizen aside from my one daughter the 9 year old which is my dependent

any input thanks:wink:

[cebujock]

you will be fine but it will cost you money

[Terpe]

as this changes and rule arises:NoNo: i am applying hopefully for citizenship..was granted ILR last year but this rule this oct would be implement soon would rather apply soon ..regardless of stress and money still we need to look forward and be positive..:wink:
well anyway my concern is if i am eligible to apply citizenship this may/june i had one dependent and i am confuse if she could apply brittish passpor after the citizeship hopefullly we be granted with citizenhip..as were planning goin out country to ease the :olddude::ReadIt:tention:cwm3: maybe around just europe..has anyone here had same situation as mine..my 2 other kids had there brittish passport the were dual citizen aside from my one daughter the 9 year old which is my dependent

any input thanks:wink:

Moy, the UKBA term used for child applications as British Citizen is Registration and not Naturalisation. The requirements for children are a lot simpler than for adults.
Your daughter cannot follow the same route as you Moy. She needs to 18 years old or over to apply for naturalisation.
Please don't panic Moy, just read Can I register a child aged under 18 as a British citizen? (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/eligibility/children/)

You can naturalise on form AN (Cost = £874) and your daughter can register as British Citizen on form MN1 (Cost = £673).

When your daughter reaches 18 years old she must apply for British citizenship as an adult, either by registration where they have an entitlement, or by naturalisation

[Terpe]

you will be fine but it will cost you money

What does that mean?

How do you know it'll fine.?
Do you know the background ?

[Moy]

Moy, the UKBA term used for child applications as British Citizen is Registration and not Naturalisation. The requirements for children are a lot simpler than for adults.
Your daughter cannot follow the same route as you Moy. She needs to 18 years old or over to apply for naturalisation.
Please don't panic Moy, just read Can I register a child aged under 18 as a British citizen? (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/eligibility/children/)

You can naturalise on form AN (Cost = £874) and your daughter can register as British Citizen on form MN1 (Cost = £673).

When your daughter reaches 18 years old she must apply for British citizenship as an adult, either by registration where they have an entitlement, or by naturalisation

thanks for reply Terpe:wink: i know i ask complicated question:cwm3::bigcry::biggrin: at times when its not..pls forgive:wink: so if thats the case that i my daughter cannot follow same route as mine now..and she wont have any british passport like his bro/sister she wont be able obviously to travel europe with us unless she apply for a certain visa? is that what you mean or being a register as british citizen is enough evidence to be travel around europe:wink:

[Terpe]

thanks for reply Terpe:wink: i know i ask complicated question:cwm3::bigcry::biggrin: at times when its not..pls forgive:wink: so if thats the case that i my daughter cannot follow same route as mine now..and she wont have any british passport like his bro/sister she wont be able obviously to travel europe with us unless she apply for a certain visa? is that what you mean or being a register as british citizen is enough evidence to be travel around europe:wink:

Moy, don't misunderstand.

Your daughter can get British Passport.

I only said your daughter needs to be registered as British Citizen because she is too young to become naturalised. She's only 9 years old.
Once she receives approval from the Home Office she can apply British Passport.
She can apply for registration on form MN1 same time as you apply for naturalisation on form AN
Then both apply for British passport together.

It's a different application form but can be submitted at the same time with the same outcome. British Citizenship.
Mean you both get British passport together. Hopefully

Sorry for my previous poor explanation :icon_sorry:

[sars_notd_virus]

i know i ask complicated question:cwm3::bigcry::biggrin: at times when its not..pls forgive:wink: so if thats the case that i my daughter cannot follow same route as mine now.

Moy, you apply together for naturalisation , once approved wait for the letter for citizenship ceremony , attend the ceremony together then they will give you naturalisation certificate (both you and your daughter) then apply for british passport together via post office or online, wait for the interview (passport) and then wait for the british passport.

[Moy]

Moy, you apply together for naturalisation , once approved wait for the letter for citizenship ceremony , attend the ceremony together then they will give you naturalisation certificate (both you and your daughter) then apply for british passport together via post office or online, wait for the interview (passport) and then wait for the british passport.

aws very thanks for prompt reply sars:-Dyour an angel;-) you had enlighten my darked confuse mine lolzo_OO:-) how about you when do you plan to apply have you got dependent as will if i rem;-) well goodluck to us and all here its been a struggling years for us :'( still:-$

[joebloggs]

you have to be over 18 to apply for naturalization, she needs to be registered as british as terpe has posted :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Moy]

you have to be over 18 to apply for naturalization, she needs to be registered as british as terpe has posted :xxgrinning--00xx3:
hello joe:-D now you make me confuse againo_O:-\ lolz so basically when i apply for naturalization ill have to register her as bri citizen right:-X and my concern is do i can apply her a british passport i know sars had reply just bit confusing at the moment:-P

[sars_notd_virus]

aws very thanks for prompt reply sars:-Dyour an angel;-) you had enlighten my darked confuse mine lolzo_OO:-) how about you when do you plan to apply have you got dependent as will if i rem;-) well goodluck to us and all here its been a struggling years for us :'( still:-$

Sorry moy..I mislead u on my first paragraph terpe and joe is correct..to make it easy,just fill in the forms mn1 for your daughter and AN for you.
We will apply as soon as we completed our three years...its not later than october..yes goodluck to all of us.

[Moy]

Sorry moy..I mislead u on my first paragraph terpe and joe is correct..to make it easy,just fill in the forms mn1 fodaughter and AN for you.aws so different form i see :-D but after that i could still apply british passport for her as i understood she only be register as a brit cit and not a naturalization like i will do :-! im pulling my hair at the moment:-D :-C i am easily confused and disturbed lolz:-/:-P

[sars_notd_virus]

aws so different form i see :-D but after that i could still apply british passport for her P

Yes Moy ..different forms its to register your daughter but she can get british passport if all is approved and u both done the ceremony..
Lets not worry about naturalisation now... when our daughters turn 18..its their decision not ours anymore lol

[Moy]

Yes Moy ...once approved ..they will send u letter for the ceremony your daughter will also have her certificate then both of u can apply for the british passport

:-P we need a good night slept sars to gather more cash for this recent rule ilr just done and sort i wonder after this whats next:-D:-\ lols well i just after of my daughter to obtain brtish pass as hopefully we all could travel outside UK with no hastle:-D

[joebloggs]

Lets not worry about naturalisation now... when our daughters turn 18..its their decision not ours anymore lol

if you register her as British she doesn't need to worry about naturalization when shes older, registering her as British is virtually the same as naturalization but only for those are under 18yrs old.

once she is registered she can apply for a British passport :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[sars_notd_virus]

thanks Joe:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Moy]

if you register her as British she doesn't need to worry about naturalization when shes older, registering her as British is virtually the same as naturalization but only for those are under 18yrs old.

once she is registered she can apply for a British passport :xxgrinning--00xx3:
so children under 18 only need to register yet after that registration which im goin to do this few months when i applied for naturalization she can join me to apply her british passport...correct me if am on the right path..

thanks in many Joe my ever mentor:biggrin::wink::olddude::ReadIt:

[joebloggs]

you can register her the same time when you apply for naturalization or any time after but before she is 18.

how old is she ros and how long has she been in the uk ?

[Moy]

you can register her the same time when you apply for naturalization or any time after but before she is 18.

how old is she ros and how long has she been in the uk ?

she was my dependent Joe as you know i came here in spouse visa rem had the ILR last year 3 YEARS this May of this year...what am after is for her to have british passport like her bro/sis as we plan to be out the europe hopefully..i know it been said can register as british citizen meaning after that she can apply with me with passport when i'll be approve for naturalised?:( pulling my hair at the moment as i been so confuse and with little time to gather inf..thanks for always supporting me though

shes just turn 9 last march

i know Terpe had said we could use diffrent form MN1 AND AN1 cant rem ..is that a separate form to fill up?

[joebloggs]

still not answered my question :doh anyway if she has been in the uk 2years or more and is under 18 then once you have been naturalized then you shouldn't have a problem registering her as British.

sort your naturalization out first if you have the money then register her as British at the same time, if you don't have the money now to register her you can do it later :biggrin:

[Moy]

still not answered my question :doh anyway if she has been in the uk 2years or more and is under 18 then once you have been naturalized then you shouldn't have a problem registering her as British.

sort your naturalization out first if you have the money then register her as British at the same time, if you don't have the money now to register her you can do it later :biggrin:

lols i had answer your question? i edited my reply shes been here for 3 years this May same as me shes 9 years old now is that ans your question:Cuckoo::biggrin::xxaction-smiley-047:cwm24::action-smiley-081:

[joebloggs]

lols i had answer your question? i edited my reply shes been here for 3 years this May same as me shes 9 years old now is that ans your question:Cuckoo::biggrin::xxaction-smiley-047:cwm24::action-smiley-081:

that's what i thought - wanted to be sure , but if she was older say in her teens and she just came to the uk a yr ago or so, it might be better to wait til she was in the uk 2yrs or more, but shes only 9 so it doesn't effect her anyway, also she been in the uk more than 2yrs :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[lordna]

Hi Moy,
My wife and step-daughter are in the same position as you. In June this year, having already obtained ILR, they will have been here 3 years. We will be applying for British Citizenship for both of them, my wife through naturalisation andmy step-daughter through registration. at the same time. The outcome is the same but the forms different, as i understand it. We will then apply for British passports for both of them.

One we have done that we will be appying for dual citizenship to the Philippines Embassy, so they "retain" their philippine citizenship.

A further complication for me is that my Step-daughter wants now to have the same surname as my wife and i and we are wondering when is the best time to change that.

[Moy]

Hi Moy,
My wife and step-daughter are in the same position as you. In June this year, having already obtained ILR, they will have been here 3 years. We will be applying for British Citizenship for both of them, my wife through naturalisation andmy step-daughter through registration. at the same time. The outcome is the same but the forms different, as i understand it. We will then apply for British passports for both of them.

One we have done that we will be appying for dual citizenship to the Philippines Embassy, so they "retain" their philippine citizenship.

A further complication for me is that my Step-daughter wants now to have the same surname as my wife and i and we are wondering when is the best time to change that.

hello lordna its good to know someone whose in the same boat as me too..with a little time it make you panic at times lols..shes the same she wants to be same as the surname of her bro /sis and were thinking through adoption which will do later on and focus on the stuff that we are goin to do this year..regards to your wife and family..let me know to when you be applying we might be on the same month lols from where your wife in the Philippines ..did she work here now..:wink:

[Moy]

that's what i thought - wanted to be sure , but if she was older say in her teens and she just came to the uk a yr ago or so, it might be better to wait til she was in the uk 2yrs or more, but shes only 9 so it doesn't effect her anyway, also she been in the uk more than 2yrs :xxgrinning--00xx3:

so Joe would you answer my question too:Brick::76::anerikke::biggrin: after ill being naturalized and then apply for english passport should she be able too?? :wink::smile: :olddude:

[lordna]

hello lordna its good to know someone whose in the same boat as me too..with a little time it make you panic at times lols..shes the same she wants to be same as the surname of her bro /sis and were thinking through adoption which will do later on and focus on the stuff that we are goin to do this year..regards to your wife and family..let me know to when you be applying we might be on the same month lols from where your wife in the Philippines ..did she work here now..:wink:

I was advised that adoption is a lot more complicated and expensive, whereas change of name by deed poll is cheap and quick. My wife is from Tacloban, Leyte , the anniversary of their arrival in the UK will be June 7th so i guess we will apply then. My wife is working here doing about 35 hours a week. Kind regards.

[Moy]

I was advised that adoption is a lot more complicated and expensive, whereas change of name by deed poll is cheap and quick. My wife is from Tacloban, Leyte , the anniversary of their arrival in the UK will be June 7th so i guess we will apply then. My wife is working here doing about 35 hours a week. Kind regards.
deed of poll?? what is that..? ah leyte she speak visayan then then thats from visayas area i am from davao city in Mindanao..:wink:

[malditako]

as this changes and rule arises:NoNo: i am applying hopefully for citizenship..was granted ILR last year but this rule this oct would be implement soon would rather apply soon ..regardless of stress and money still we need to look forward and be positive..:wink:
:

what rules this coming october?

[Moy]

what rules this coming october?

yeah:cwm3:

[malditako]

yeah:cwm3:

what about it?...am not informed yet

[Moy]

what about it?...am not informed yet

neither me i was just browsing and found it lols
read the thread:wink::biggrin:

[malditako]

found it lol...am thinking to apply for naturalization late this year but then this new rules came up...dear me! Anyway it would be my 3 years here next month so got to apply before then...i noticed i always at the edge of the new rules needs to be implemented.feel lucky though as i can avoid it...just money though. hmmmm. we just had a big expense last month and then this. :cwm25:

[joebloggs]

Hi Moy,
My wife and step-daughter are in the same position as you. In June this year, having already obtained ILR, they will have been here 3 years. We will be applying for British Citizenship for both of them, my wife through naturalisation andmy step-daughter through registration. at the same time. The outcome is the same but the forms different, as i understand it. We will then apply for British passports for both of them.

One we have done that we will be appying for dual citizenship to the Philippines Embassy, so they "retain" their philippine citizenship.

A further complication for me is that my Step-daughter wants now to have the same surname as my wife and i and we are wondering when is the best time to change that.

probably b4 you register her.

[Terpe]

probably b4 you register her.

I'm just thinking out loud here.
I wonder if there's any advantage in waiting until she is a British Citizen? Then she'd be eligible to change her name by UK Deed Poll. These papers are recognised by all UK government departments, and organisations, as well as by all British Embassies and High Commissions anywhere in the world.
Also by the Passport Service, DVLA, Local Councils, Electoral Roll, Banks, Credit Cards etc.

Of course Birth Certificates cannot be changed.

I'm not sure if there are any age restrictions.

Food for thought anyway.

[grahamw48]

Age restrictions...changing names:

http://www.ukdp.co.uk/name-change-age-restrictions/

[Terpe]

Age restrictions...changing names:

http://www.ukdp.co.uk/name-change-age-restrictions/

Nice link :xxgrinning--00xx3:
Very interesting

[grahamw48]

I was interested in the thread because both of my stepchildren have British Citizenship and passports now, but this happened after the ex and I separated, so I couldn't really contribute anything useful here. :cwm3:

[lordna]

I'm just thinking out loud here.
I wonder if there's any advantage in waiting until she is a British Citizen? Then she'd be eligible to change her name by UK Deed Poll. These papers are recognised by all UK government departments, and organisations, as well as by all British Embassies and High Commissions anywhere in the world.
Also by the Passport Service, DVLA, Local Councils, Electoral Roll, Banks, Credit Cards etc.

Of course Birth Certificates cannot be changed.

I'm not sure if there are any age restrictions.

Food for thought anyway.

Why wait until AFTER she is a British Citizen?

Foreign nationals living in the United Kingdom can change their name by Deed Poll. This will be accepted as evidence of your name change and you will be able to have records changed into your new name.
Before applying for a Deed Poll you should check with your country's high commission or embassy in London to see if a change of name by Deed Poll will be accepted to get your passport changed. Some foreign embassies require their nationals to have a solicitor witness the signing of their Deed Poll in order for it to be accepted. If you are unable to get your passport changed it is inadvisable to proceed with a change of name by Deed Poll as the change of name must apply to ‘all purposes'. Continuing to get records changed into your new name with other organisations could lead to problems on these grounds.


Read more: http://www.ukdp.co.uk/name-change-foreign-nationals-in-uk/#ixzz2QMsqA6dD

I was going to apply for Deed Poll BEFORE the citizennship application. Then when dual citizenship application is made to the Philippine embassy the name is already changed and the new philippine passport will also be in the new name?

[malditako]

can u apply for british citizenship even your passport already expired or u need to renew it first.

[Moy]

can u apply for british citizenship even your passport already expired or u need to renew it first.
good question lordna..im thinking about that too lols:cwm25::wink:

[sheriel]

Does all the pretty Filipinas come from Leyte,i now many here in UK,maybe its the water from the Mountains :Wave:

[malditako]

good question lordna..im thinking about that too lols:cwm25::wink:


i am grace moy lol

[Moy]

i am grace moy lol

aws sorry i was drunk haha :laugher::biggrin::olddude::anerikke::action-smiley-081:

[joebloggs]

I'm just thinking out loud here.
I wonder if there's any advantage in waiting until she is a British Citizen? Then she'd be eligible to change her name by UK Deed Poll. These papers are recognised by all UK government departments, and organisations, as well as by all British Embassies and High Commissions anywhere in the world.
Also by the Passport Service, DVLA, Local Councils, Electoral Roll, Banks, Credit Cards etc.

Of course Birth Certificates cannot be changed.

I'm not sure if there are any age restrictions.

Food for thought anyway.


not sure if it really matters when you can her name, but for me getting her name changed by deed poll and then registering her as british would mean her registration certificate would be in her new surname and not her old one.

[Terpe]

not sure if it really matters when you can her name, but for me getting her name changed by deed poll and then registering her as british would mean her registration certificate would be in her new surname and not her old one.

Yes, I know what you mean, but I thought you had to be British Citizen to do that Deed Poll.

Maybe not I didn't check:Erm:

[Moy]

found it lol...am thinking to apply for naturalization late this year but then this new rules came up...dear me! Anyway it would be my 3 years here next month so got to apply before then...i noticed i always at the edge of the new rules needs to be implemented.feel lucky though as i can avoid it...just money though. hmmmm. we just had a big expense last month and then this. :cwm25:

i know lucky you if you aint got no dependent less money as me i got one:wink: so a thousand pound or more that i need this month:grosyeux::yawn::anerikke::xxaction-smiley-047:bigcry::cwm24:

[Terpe]

Moy, If you and your daughter apply together you should get the approval letters together.
UKBA usually make arrangements to have the Registration Certificate for your daughter available for presentation at the ceremony.
If this is the case they will inform you and also give you the possibility to have it posted to you if you prefer.

Might be a nice experience to have her be presented at the ceremony I think.

[Moy]

Moy, If you and your daughter apply together you should get the approval letters together.
UKBA usually make arrangements to have the Registration Certificate for your daughter available for presentation at the ceremony.
If this is the case they will inform you and also give you the possibility to have it posted to you if you prefer.

Might be a nice experience to have her be presented at the ceremony I think.

Thank you for a brief explanation Terpe..:wink: its just the paperwork and cash is my aim.. a quick question again ..but correct me if im wrong on ILR you applied 28 days before of the date you are qualified:icon_rolleyes: , so this naturalization how would we know we are qualified of the grounds that exactly 3 years you are here in the UK?? for ex..i arrive the 20 of May 2010 so this year of the same date ill be 3 years here..:yawn::wink: as much is not easy at the moment as we just had my ILR..well last year and now this new rule arrive the ealier before oct we can sort it out..
what do you think i can apply any month after May? is there any rule in QUALIFYING period to be here in the UK...:anerikke::wink:

[Terpe]

Thank you for a brief explanation Terpe..:wink: its just the paperwork and cash is my aim.. a quick question again ..but correct me if im wrong on ILR you applied 28 days before of the date you are qualified:icon_rolleyes: , so this naturalization how would we know we are qualified of the grounds that exactly 3 years you are here in the UK?? for ex..i arrive the 20 of May 2010 so this year of the same date ill be 3 years here..:yawn::wink: as much is not easy at the moment as we just had my ILR..well last year and now this new rule arrive the ealier before oct we can sort it out..
what do you think i can apply any month after May? is there any rule in QUALIFYING period to be here in the UK...:anerikke::wink:

Moy, you can apply at anytime you want AFTER the qualifying 3 years. There's no need to be in a big hurry. Same with us all Moy, it comes down to finances. Don't put yourself under too much time pressure by working working working.
Enjoy life, be happy and apply when you can. It's always waiting for you. You have ILR, that's indefinite. Can't take that away from you.

[Moy]

Moy, you can apply at anytime you want AFTER the qualifying 3 years. There's no need to be in a big hurry. Same with us all Moy, it comes down to finances. Don't put yourself under too much time pressure by working working working.
Enjoy life, be happy and apply when you can. It's always waiting for you. You have ILR, that's indefinite. Can't take that away from you.
well i know what you saying..and thanks for reminding me my friend lols..i forgot that we need to relax at times wasnt the same when in Davao i was so stress free:yawn::xxaction-smiley-047 seems life here is so in demands all the time haha.
i dont want to be in new rule Terpe...hard enough to had that UK life test lols cant be ask for more test and to think its not free if you take that new set of test again..:anerikke::grosyeux::Brick:

[lordna]

Hi Moy,
My wife and step-daughter are in the same position as you. In June this year, having already obtained ILR, they will have been here 3 years. We will be applying for British Citizenship for both of them, my wife through naturalisation andmy step-daughter through registration. at the same time. The outcome is the same but the forms different, as i understand it. We will then apply for British passports for both of them.

One we have done that we will be appying for dual citizenship to the Philippines Embassy, so they "retain" their philippine citizenship.

A further complication for me is that my Step-daughter wants now to have the same surname as my wife and i and we are wondering when is the best time to change that.

I sent an mail via the Philippines embassy London website but never got a reply , so today rang them to find out if it was acceptable to Philippines authorities to change a name by Deed Poll. Apparently the Deed Poll is NOT recognised by the Philippines so if my step daughter wants my surname Officially then I would have to adopt her. Consequently we will do this some other time after obtaining citizenship.

[Terpe]

I sent an mail via the Philippines embassy London website but never got a reply , so today rang them to find out if it was acceptable to Philippines authorities to change a name by Deed Poll. Apparently the Deed Poll is NOT recognised by the Philippines so if my step daughter wants my surname Officially then I would have to adopt her. Consequently we will do this some other time after obtaining citizenship.

I know what you mean lordna, but just allow me some brainstorming and see what you think.

You are all living here in UK.
As a British Citizen, Deed poll is allowed and recognised (even by the passport office too).
As a registered British Citizen your step daughter would have sufficient documentation to be known by whatever name she (you) chooses.

There would be no real need for her to have a Philippine Passport at all at this time.
(My wife still did not yet renew her Philippine passport.)

So, I'm just wondering what it is that the Philippines/Philippines Embassy will not recognise?
Her British Passport? Her Naturalisation Certificate?
They don't do that anyway unless a new Oath Taking has taken place at the Embassy.
At some time she may well wish to make an oath taking to re-acquire Philippine Citizenship.
But that all in the future, and besides her Philippine Naturalisation Certificate will be sufficient for her to enter Philippines as a Philippine citizen even with a British Passport.

Sorry just thinking out loud.
I don't know how many twists and turns are involved with adoption, but it sounds like it might be a very challenging process.

Just trying help.