Residency 13A Proof of financial Capacity

[Paul77]

I'm currently in the Philippines and going to apply for residency.One of the requirements states Proof Of financial capacity of applicant during their permanent residence in the Philippines.

Does anybody know what sort of money i need in a Philippines bank account to pass this requirement.

[imagine]

i would be interested to find this out too, as hopefully it wont be long before i follow in your footsteps,

paul , can i ask you, on your earlier thread you said after getting basic disclosure it would give you 6 months to decide, can i take it that it has 6 months expiry time,?if getting 13a unlike cni which is only 3 months validity,

also i got a bit confused for getting the disclosure leagalised, everything on internet seems to say the nearest phil embassy in uk , you said that yours was returned, ?
and i read it that it had to be sent to
Legalisation Office
Foreign & Commonwealth Office
PO Box 6255
Milton Keynes
MK10 1XX
to be leagalised,?
could you please confirm for me this is correct,

sorry i cant help you with your question of capacity

[imagine]

im just doing some searches now about finance needed,

so far i got this below link, seems to suggest 60,000p
http://www.livingincebuforums.com/ipb/topic/54390-anyone-with-recent-13a-experience-locally-applied/
#4 dennis1105

[Paul77]

Hi Imagine,the police disclosure,you need to get it notary public stamped then sent to fco so they confirm the notary(legalized) then you need to send it to Philippines embassy London,i think alot of the info was in that other thread before,very expensive really but has to be done.
Notary public in UK they can charge things like 65 pounds or 95 pounds etc as done mostly by soliciters i think but out here in Phils anything to do with immigration you can get notary free at immigration bureau or something not to do with immigration for just a pound or two at the side of immigration building.
What i will say is any UK document you use must have been notarized and approved in uk,i was trying to use an English bank statement but they wouldn't let me without it being confirmed legit in the UK but they said wifes bank account or joint bank account statements would be fine.

I think i read the basic disclosure must be used within a certain period,i'd need to try and check,could be 3 months but can't remember off top of my head.
That looks correct address for legalisation you can pay fees through the website and it gives details on what to do but first thing is notary public stamp and remember return post fees for legisation office and also remember return post fees for Philippines embassey London.

[imagine]

1/ obtain police disclosure,
2/ notary public stamped, by a solicitor ? or a Notary specialist in uk?
3/send to fso
4/send to phil embassy london

[fred]

but first thing is notary public stamp and remember return post fees for legisation office and also remember return post fees for Philippines embassey London.

Must all be relatively new rules as I certainly did not do anything with my uk police clearance accept hand it in with my application..(6 years ago)
We had just sold our house so no problem showing income..
The RP Consul did tell me that he had never heard once of a refusal from the UK.

[Terpe]

I'm currently in the Philippines and going to apply for residency.One of the requirements states Proof Of financial capacity of applicant during their permanent residence in the Philippines.

Does anybody know what sort of money i need in a Philippines bank account to pass this requirement.

Paul, it's a little bit like the 'old' UK settlement visa used to be. There's not any specific amount.
There's plenty of folk going to tell you all sorts of stuff, but I can assure you there's nothing YET written down. Period.

For what it's worth, I can tell you that the the SRRV visa (S[/Bpecial [B]Resident Retirees Visa) demands a pension income of US$800.00 for single applicant and US$1,000.00 for a married couples. Logically then this could be claimed to be adequate. But again I say nothing is written down.

As you know Paul things in the Philippines can get decided on things other than rules and regulations. They can be decided just as much on situation and personality.

The key is to show you will not become a burden on the state.
If you aren't able to show a regular income stream in line with the SRRV, then you'll need to show some extra amount of cash savings at the bank. Again everyone's going to have a different interpretation on how much would be adequate. But again if you look at the SRRV rrequirement your looking at US$10,000.

Paul I'm not suggesting the figures I mention are definitive. I'm just say there's nothing specified but the SRRV COULD be used as a logical and fully documented and accepted guide within Philippine BI.

[imagine]

is the validity period for police clearence untill it is used in phil for 13a, or untill sent to phil embassy london, because with all this posting backwards and forwards isnt going to leave much time to get to philippines, in my case once back in phil 1st part of my time will be to marry 1st before i can apply for the 13a, which is why im hoping the validity is longer than 3 months, a good month im guessing will be used up in uk before going

[imagine]

Must all be relatively new rules as I certainly did not do anything with my uk police clearance accept hand it in with my application..(6 years ago)
We had just sold our house so no problem showing income..
The RP Consul did tell me that he had never heard once of a refusal from the UK.

wish 6 yrs ago was now fred:anerikke:

[Terpe]

Here's what BI state about Police Clearance :-


1.If the applicant has been in the Philippines for less than six (6) months, he shall attach to his application a Police Clearance from his country of origin or residence duly authenticated by the Philippine Embassy / Consulate at the place of issuance or nearest to it, with English translation, if written in another foreign language.
2.If the applicant has been in the Philippines for six (6) months or more, he shall, in addition to the Police Clearance from his country of origin or residence prior to his arrival in the Philippines, attach to his application a National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) clearance.


In both instances, the BI will not accept Police Clearance Certificates that are more than six months' old.
Ideally they prefer less than 3 months' old.

[imagine]

Here's what BI state about Police Clearance :-



In both instances, the BI will not accept Police Clearance Certificates that are more than six months' old.
Ideally they prefer less than 3 months' old.

thanks peter
if this is so over 3 months after issue is ok as long as not over 6 months which would give enough time
i thought the six months just meant how long been in phil but not refering to validity time of police clearance cert

[Terpe]

Stewart, you can organise to apply for and have delivered to you at an international delivery address.


Can you courier my Police Certificate to me at an international delivery address?

If the delivery address is outside the United Kingdom the fee is £65.00 sterling (per delivery address). Please complete the relevant section of the application form and enclose the additional payment with your application. The delivery times will depend on the flight availability in the country where your documents are to be sent.

Could be useful

[imagine]

Stewart, you can organise to apply for and have delivered to you at an international delivery address.



Could be useful

this is the police clearence yes? but if delivered to philippines , then do i not have to re post it to

2/ notary public stamped, by a solicitor ? or a Notary specialist in uk?
3/send to fso
4/send to phil embassy london,

and then reposted back to phil,

yes im confused lol

[Terpe]

this is the police clearence yes? but if delivered to philippines , then do i not have to re post it to

2/ notary public stamped, by a solicitor ? or a Notary specialist in uk?
3/send to fso
4/send to phil embassy london,

and then reposted back to phil,

yes im confused lol

You've got me confused now Stewart.

If you've been in the Philippines for 6 months or more :-

2.If the applicant has been in the Philippines for six (6) months or more, he shall, in addition to the Police Clearance from his country of origin or residence prior to his arrival in the Philippines, attach to his application a National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) clearance.

What I'm suggesting is this, IF at some time during the 13a process you needed to secure a new PCC then you can do so without actually being in UK
Since there is no formal BI requirement there could be no requirement to have it notarised at the Phils Embassy UK

Just trying to help cover all the angles.

[imagine]

You've got me confused now Stewart.

If you've been in the Philippines for 6 months or more :-


What I'm suggesting is this, IF at some time during the 13a process you needed to secure a new PCC then you can do so without actually being in UK
Since there is no formal BI requirement there could be no requirement to have it notarised at the Phils Embassy UK

Just trying to help cover all the angles.

thanks peter ,
this your saying if after applying here in uk, then find my police clearance becomes out of date while in process to apply for 13a , then i can re apply from phil for a second police clearance without having to go through notorising ect again in uk?

if that is the case and i just apply the 1st time before i leave uk have it delivered to phil, then i wont need any uk notarising at all?
im a pain i know, but i am confused because what paul #4 is saying about notarised and legalised ect

[Terpe]

.. im a pain i know, but i am confused because what paul #4 is saying about notarised and legalised ect

Yes, the procedure outlined in #4 is certainly required by the Phils Embassy for any documents sent by post.

I can't answer your question as I've never done anything like that by post, I've always contacted the Embassy by telephone and discussed how to achieve what I've wanted by personal appoinment.
I don't know of anyone who has done that for the PCC as it's a new requirement.

I do know that PRA do not need that procedure for the PCC if you are already in the Philippines.
Maybe worth a bit of research.
Probably the only reliable procedure for the case you mention is to discuss with the Phils Embassy, especially as this is such a new requirement.

[imagine]

Yes, the procedure outlined in #4 is certainly required by the Phils Embassy for any documents sent by post.

I can't answer your question as I've never done anything like that by post, I've always contacted the Embassy by telephone and discussed how to achieve what I've wanted by personal appoinment.
I don't know of anyone who has done that for the PCC as it's a new requirement.

I do know that PRA do not need that procedure for the PCC if you are already in the Philippines.
Maybe worth a bit of research.
Probably the only reliable procedure for the case you mention is to discuss with the Phils Embassy, especially as this is such a new requirement.

thank you peter :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[keith britten]

I applied for a 13a visa last November and I was'nt asked for a police record report and was granted a 12month probationary residents visa. I did however have a police report that I got from the uk before O came here, Just walk into any police station and ask for one, the cost is 10 quid. As for proof of financial status I just gave them 3 months bank statements from my uk bank.

[Terpe]

I applied for a 13a visa last November and I was'nt asked for a police record report and was granted a 12month probationary residents visa. I did however have a police report that I got from the uk before O came here, Just walk into any police station and ask for one, the cost is 10 quid. As for proof of financial status I just gave them 3 months bank statements from my uk bank.

Looks like you had good timing Keith

The new requirements came in sometime during January 2013
Everyone still climbing that learning curve to understand how the BI will apply them ( or not )

[jonnijon]

I got my probationary 13a about the same time. No police check asked for. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Terpe]

I got my probationary 13a about the same time. No police check asked for. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

So are you saying that a Police clearance is actually not required ?


1.If the applicant has been in the Philippines for less than six (6) months, he shall attach to his application a Police Clearance from his country of origin or residence duly authenticated by the Philippine Embassy / Consulate at the place of issuance or nearest to it, with English translation, if written in another foreign language.
2.If the applicant has been in the Philippines for six (6) months or more, he shall, in addition to the Police Clearance from his country of origin or residence prior to his arrival in the Philippines, attach to his application a National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) clearance.

[imagine]

I got my probationary 13a about the same time. No police check asked for. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

around the same time as Keith?

[imagine]

i have just found update info on new 13a requirments as of jan 2013,
it still states that uk police clearence Documents executed outside the Philippines must be authenticated by the Philippine
Embassy/Consular Officials of the Philippine foreign service at the place of issuance or nearest to it,

and nothing about being notary public stamped, or
being leagalised by fso

http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=49&dir=DESC&order=name&Itemid=117&limit=5&limitstart=30

[jake]

Imagine, do you mean they have to be authenticated if you are applying abroad or in the Philippines?

I know somebody who applied last month here in the Philippines and under the new rules they did need police clearance from the UK. The document wasnt authenticated by the embassy in the UK.

Sometimes things can be a tad confusing in the Philippines but on the bright side i have never heard of anybody being refused the 13a visa.

[imagine]

Imagine, do you mean they have to be authenticated if you are applying abroad or in the Philippines?

I know somebody who applied last month here in the Philippines and under the new rules they did need police clearance from the UK. The document wasnt authenticated by the embassy in the UK.

Sometimes things can be a tad confusing in the Philippines but on the bright side i have never heard of anybody being refused the 13a visa.

well thats what it says in Revised Checklist of Documentary Requirements

[jake]

well thats what it says in Revised Checklist of Documentary Requirements

Sorry you are correct as i just called him and asked.

http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1978&Itemid=103

[imagine]

Sorry you are correct as i just called him and asked.

http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1978&Itemid=103

ok good, so he only had to get it authenticated by phil embassy uk, nothing else?

this is what im not clear about, it seems to have been said , or the way i interpreted it that 1st the police check had to be authenticated, then sent to fso for legalisation before it can be sent to phil embassy uk

[jake]

ok good, so he only had to get it authenticated by phil embassy uk, nothing else?

this is what im not clear about, it seems to have been said , or the way i interpreted it that 1st the police check had to be authenticated, then sent to fso for legalisation before it can be sent to phil embassy uk

Tried calling him again but no answer. We have live football here in the Philippines tonight Reading v OPR so i am guessing he is watching that. Better than nothing!

Will let you know once i have spoken to him again.

[imagine]

thanks jake:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[jonnijon]

As I understand it, if you were issued a probationary 13a last year you do not need police clearance to obtain a permanent 13a. Because you have already been granted 13a. This is my understanding.

[imagine]

As I understand it, if you were issued a probationary 13a last year you do not need police clearance to obtain a permanent 13a. Because you have already been granted 13a. This is my understanding.

yes i found thats the case,

for me it will be my first probationary 13a

[jake]

Stewart, i spoke to my friend again this morning and i can understand why everybody is confused.

Hopefully the OP poster will post his journey when it is complete as the rules seem to change for each person. You get used to things like that once you have lived here for awhile!

First of all he said the BI website is not up to date and the only way to get precise information from them is to actually go there in person. The documents my friend used was police clearance, notarized from the Philippine embassy in the UK. I asked about it being stamped by a notary public in the UK and he said it was not.

When dealing with government official in the Philippines remember to always be polite as they actually have a law that says the big boss can change instructions, not consistent with the laws!!

Sorry i cant help you anymore.

[imagine]

Stewart, i spoke to my friend again this morning and i can understand why everybody is confused.

Hopefully the OP poster will post his journey when it is complete as the rules seem to change for each person. You get used to things like that once you have lived here for awhile!

First of all he said the BI website is not up to date and the only way to get precise information from them is to actually go there in person. The documents my friend used was police clearance, notarized from the Philippine embassy in the UK. I asked about it being stamped by a notary public in the UK and he said it was not.

When dealing with government official in the Philippines remember to always be polite as they actually have a law that says the big boss can change instructions, not consistent with the laws!!

Sorry i cant help you anymore.

thanks jake, thats exactly the bit that confused me, now i know police clearance only needs notarised by phil embassy london:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Paul77]

Handed in my 13a application for residency at Bureau Of Immigration Manila yesterday,will be back there later in the week for a hearing.

The Police check was required as part of the application.
As stated below was attached to the application

1.If the applicant has been in the Philippines for less than six (6) months, he shall attach to his application a Police Clearance from his country of origin or residence duly authenticated by the Philippine Embassy / Consulate at the place of issuance or nearest to it, with English translation, if written in another foreign language.
2.If the applicant has been in the Philippines for six (6) months or more, he shall, in addition to the Police Clearance from his country of origin or residence prior to his arrival in the Philippines, attach to his application a National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) clearance.




I just followed the advice on
http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/44250-More-13a-info-req?p=420571&viewfull=1#post420571 and the rest of that thread that helped me do it that way.

[jake]

Cheers for the update and keep us posted.
The hearing will only last a few minutes and then it will be approved. Never heard of anybody ever being refused. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Paul77]

The hearing lasted about 10-15 minutes,just general questions.Then i went and had photo and finger prints taken.Now i just have to wait,maybe a month.

[jake]

The hearing lasted about 10-15 minutes,just general questions.Then i went and had photo and finger prints taken.Now i just have to wait,maybe a month.

Congratulations. Have you managed to remove the ink from your fingers?!

When you go from probationary to permanent make sure you do it early rather than leaving it until the last minute.

[Terpe]

Good thread this.
Thanks to all contributors especially Paul and Jake :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[imagine]

well done paul, and thanks for all the info paul and jake,

i have a small quiry i feel unsure about ,

the notary public stamp, necasery or not? and is there a difference between a notary public and a solicitor notary,?
as i noticed in town yesterday the sign above a solicitor was solicitors & notaries

[Paul77]

Hi Imagine,in the uk it seems solicitors often act as notary publics as it's abit of easy money for them and probably why they can cost so much in the UK.
I did notary public to be on the safe side but costly.

Maybe read this
https://www.gov.uk/legalisation-document-checker/y/criminal-records-bureau-document

[imagine]

Hi Imagine,in the uk it seems solicitors often act as notary publics as it's abit of easy money for them and probably why they can cost so much in the UK.
I did notary public to be on the safe side but costly.

Maybe read this
https://www.gov.uk/legalisation-document-checker/y/criminal-records-bureau-document

thanks paul, looking at that link , says signed by an official from the issuing authority,im assuming this means those who issued the basic disclosure,
so im thinking it wont be necasary to get it notarised,
did yours come back signed?
but then as you say being on the safe side

[Terpe]

thanks paul, looking at that link , says signed by an official from the issuing authority,im assuming this means those who issued the basic disclosure,
so im thinking it wont be necasary to get it notarised,
did yours come back signed?
but then as you say being on the safe side

Anybody know what is really meant by the term 'notarised' when used in Philippines??

As opposed to certified.

Here in UK a Notary will validate a signature.
Having a document certified means having an 'appropriate person' confirm that a copy is a true and exact copy of a specified original (or other copy)

A Notary is darn expensive in UK.

[imagine]

Anybody know what is really meant by the term 'notarised' when used in Philippines??

As opposed to certified.

Here in UK a Notary will validate a signature.
Having a document certified means having an 'appropriate person' confirm that a copy is a true and exact copy of a specified original (or other copy)

A Notary is darn expensive in UK.

im just thinking that as long as the basic disclosure has been signed when issued that when its sent for leagalisation at gov uk, it doesnt need to be notarised, it seems to read that it has to be issuer signed,if not then it must be notoriesd, before uk gov will legalise it,
i just want that when i apply i get it right

[Paul77]

Imagine i got my Police check by going through a website.
Looking at the photo copy of the basic disclosure i see no signature there.When i got the notary he was standing next to me as we called Disclosure Scotland to confirm the certifictate real,then he did all his stamps and things to confirm things.
Then i sent to FCO and looking at the photocopy,the FCO confirmed the notary was who he said he was.
Then sent to Philippines Embassy london who confirmed the FCO official was who he said he was.

I was so rushed at the time as it was close to my flight date.Maybe you could give the fco a call and ask them about it if you are still not sure.

[Terpe]

Imagine i got my Police check by going through a website.
Looking at the photo copy of the basic disclosure i see no signature there.When i got the notary he was standing next to me as we called Disclosure Scotland to confirm the certifictate real,then he did all his stamps and things to confirm things.
Then i sent to FCO and looking at the photocopy,the FCO confirmed the notary was who he said he was.
Then sent to Philippines Embassy london who confirmed the FCO official was who he said he was.

I was so rushed at the time as it was close to my flight date.Maybe you could give the fco a call and ask them about it if you are still not sure.

What a palava eh :icon_lol:

[imagine]

thanks paul, your information will be valuable to me, and much appreciated:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[imagine]

Imagine i got my Police check by going through a website.
Looking at the photo copy of the basic disclosure i see no signature there.When i got the notary he was standing next to me as we called Disclosure Scotland to confirm the certifictate real,then he did all his stamps and things to confirm things.
Then i sent to FCO and looking at the photocopy,the FCO confirmed the notary was who he said he was.
Then sent to Philippines Embassy london who confirmed the FCO official was who he said he was.

I was so rushed at the time as it was close to my flight date.Maybe you could give the fco a call and ask them about it if you are still not sure.

Paul, how long did it take to get the baisc disclosure back from the philippine embassy london ?

[bikerpat]

http://www.pra.gov.ph/

Paul, this link might be useful.