Tory Taliban' burqa ban bill to be debated in parliament

[joebloggs]

The Face Covering (Prohibition) Bill will get its second reading in Parliament today, and if passed into law the bill would would make wearing burqas in public illegal.


read more here ... http://www.theinformationdaily.com/2013/09/06/tory-taliban-burqa-ban-bill-to-be-debated-in-parliament

[Dedworth]

The sooner the better :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

tory taliban :doh, its the taliban that make women wear them and beat the :censored: out of them :crazy:

[tiger31]

about time too these freaks scare the hell out of kids when they see them in the streets shopping with their mums.they look like black DALEKS :biggrin:

[tiger31]

have you noticed when ever any of them are interview they all say the same thing I want to wear it ,yeah sure my dear if you say anything else your hubby will beat the crap out of you and guess what nobody will be able to see what your controlling husbands done to you right .:icon_lol:

[andy222]

Just ban it and the male taliban clothing they look stupid. They look as though they should be in the desert and not walking our streets.

[bigmarco]

I wouldn't get too excited. Although I agree with it, I cannot honestly see this being voted through in both the Commons and the Lords.

[grahamw48]

Not going to happen. :NoNo:

No further comment due to lack of free speech in this country and likelihood of being called racist, bigot etc.

[tiger31]

its not often I praise the french but on this occasion I salute them for having the balls to beat us to it first and ban it. the way I see it they ( the muslims ) want out our women to cover up in their country well we want their women to take their clothes off right ? one rule for all and all that :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

Oh they have no problem visiting our strip joints etc.

Damned hypocrites. :mad:

[Arthur Little]

... we want their women to take their clothes off right ?

:cwm24: ... WHAT? Like THIS > :erotic4:?

[Arthur Little]

:cwm25: ... um ... slim < (anagram of Muslim) chance of 'em doing that!

[lordna]

Personally speaking i think people living in this country should have the right to wear exactly what they like. Its totally irrelevant that the Burka has religious significance to the wearer. They should of course have to reveal their face to a police officer, should identification be required.

If wearing of the Burka is banned then you also need to stop people wearing hoodies and maybe stop scotsmen wearing kilts just in case they expose themselves in public. Its not going to happen, a ridiculous waste of time and money debating it

[Dedworth]

Personally speaking i think people living in this country should have the right to wear exactly what they like. Its totally irrelevant that the Burka has religious significance to the wearer. They should of course have to reveal their face to a police officer, should identification be required.



These people should not be allowed to have their faces covered in public places - terrorists and murderers have managed to flee the country by virue of having their faces concealed and by virtue of the long robed garb appeared to be veiled up females. Ban it

[lordna]

These people should not be allowed to have their faces covered in public places - terrorists and murderers have managed to flee the country by virue of having their faces concealed and by virtue of the long robed garb appeared to be veiled up females. Ban it

Why on earth not? you have the right to cover your face in public for example when an icy wind might be blowing. Its no different...anybody should have the right to wear what they want. Your argument about veiled up people fleeing the country...well maybe a point BUT i have said these people SHOULD be made to show their face for identification purposes ...thats all!

[joebloggs]

i'm sure some shopping centers banned hoodies :Erm:

what you wear in your own home should be up to you, but in court it should not be allowed and in jobs where face to face contact is important like teachers etc

[Arthur Little]

... maybe stop scotsmen wearing kilts just in case they expose themselves in public.

Well ... :anerikke: ... if Scots who wore their National Dress :Kilt: exposed themselves, they'd very soon be arrested.

"Vive la difference!"

[joebloggs]

Well ... :anerikke: ... if Scots who wore their National Dress :Kilt: exposed themselves, they'd very soon be arrested.

"Vive la difference!"

Philip Milne, Pensioner Fined For Shampooing Genitals On Bus :yikes::icon_lol:


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/05/philip-milne-pensioner-shampooing-genitals-on-bus_n_3873880.html

[grahamw48]

Treated like a hard-on criminal ?

Not bad at 75. :Erm:

[Dedworth]

Why on earth not? you have the right to cover your face in public for example when an icy wind might be blowing. Its no different...anybody should have the right to wear what they want. Your argument about veiled up people fleeing the country...well maybe a point BUT i have said these people SHOULD be made to show their face for identification purposes ...thats all!

To protect myself against severe weather I might partially cover my face but I'd cerainly not be peering through a half inch slit draped in robes down to my ankles as these religious extremists and fugitives from justice do. For national security and public protection people need to be visible to CCTV cameras. Furthermore it is totally against our British culture and it is a symbol of refusing to integrate.

20 years ago the only veiled up beings you saw were the Saudi princesses arriving at Heathrow and they soon ripped them off before they hit the west end shops. Now it is all over the place as a symbol of extemism

[lordna]

To protect myself against severe weather I might partially cover my face but I'd cerainly not be peering through a half inch slit draped in robes down to my ankles as these religious extremists and fugitives from justice do. For national security and public protection people need to be visible to CCTV cameras.

Don't forget to ban people wearing crash helmets in public as well then!

[grahamw48]

THIS is the United Kingdom in the 21st century, not some backward ****house country from the dark ages.

Don't want to conform to OUR standards of acceptable behaviour, go back to where you came from. You certainly wouldn't give ME the freedom to follow my 'customs' in YOUR society ! :mad:

Where are the womens' libbers when you need them ? :NoNo:

[lordna]

Well ... :anerikke: ... if Scots who wore their National Dress :Kilt: exposed themselves, they'd very soon be arrested.

"Vive la difference!"

I suppose when a scotsman is asked if anything is worn under the kilt, they would say No, its all in perfect working order!

[grahamw48]

Don't forget to ban people wearing crash helmets in public as well then!

You know perfectly well that people are normally asked (with notices to that effect) to remove crash helmets when entering many premises, but thanks for mentioning it, because the principle is much the same.

[bigmarco]

I'd liken the wearing of the Burka to a sign of subservience more so than to any religious significance. I have no problem if they wish to cover their hair but to cover the whole face to me is a sign of imprisonment, a sign of non integration verging on a sign of hostility to our country.
Our politicians have operated a policy of cowardly appeasement for years for fear of being labelled as racist.
This is 21st century Britain not stone age Saudi Arabia and I honestly feel that now is the time to ban it and set the prisoners free.
At the same time perhaps we could make it compulsory for young Muslim girls to take part in singing lessons in school :crazy:

[grahamw48]

Quite agree Marco.

To permit separate societies with their own rules and laws within our country is simply intolerable.

[Dedworth]

Personally speaking i think people living in this country should have the right to wear exactly what they like.


Are you saying it's OK despite the majority of our population finding it insulting, threatening and hostile ?

[marksroomspain]

Don't forget to ban people wearing crash helmets in public as well then!

The difference is that if I walk into a bank wearing my crash helmet I would be asked to remove it but if a muslim walked in wearing a burqa...:NoNo: mmm now think about it...:Cuckoo:

[grahamw48]

I don't think they had banks in the 6th century. :Erm:

[andy222]

The difference is that if I walk into a bank wearing my crash helmet I would be asked to remove it but if a muslim walked in wearing a burqa...:NoNo: mmm now think about it...:Cuckoo:
Thats a old argument but a true statement. A bit like the sikh not wearing a crash helmet when riding a motorcycle.

[tiger31]

Why on earth not? you have the right to cover your face in public for example when an icy wind might be blowing. Its no different...anybody should have the right to wear what they want. Your argument about veiled up people fleeing the country...well maybe a point BUT i have said these people SHOULD be made to show their face for identification purposes ...thats all!
so how do you identify shop lifters ? plus western women should be allowed to wear what they want in saudi arabia correct ? :Brick:

[les_taxi]

The debate will fail unfortunately but at least it's a start :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[lordna]

Are you saying it's OK despite the majority of our population finding it insulting, threatening and hostile ?

A lot of people found the clothes and attire of Punks insulting, threatening and hostile...but thats just youth exercising their right to wear what they like...no different and YES its ok by me. I fail to see what could possibly be insulting, threatening or hostile about a black garnment where you can only see the wearers eyes. Live and let live I say!

[lordna]

The following article may help some understand why some women CHOOSE to wear the Burqa

http://people.howstuffworks.com/veil3.htm

[joebloggs]

if their reasons are true, why don't English women or European women wear it :cwm25:

if women were treated equally i might buy their excuses, but they are not :doh

[lordna]

if their reasons are true, why don't English women or European women wear it :cwm25:

if women were treated equally i might buy their excuses, but they are not :doh

Perhaps English women or European women don't wear it as a matter of choice.

So you want women treated equally...but dont want them to have the right to wear what they want?

[joebloggs]

Perhaps English women or European women don't wear it as a matter of choice.

So you want women treated equally...but dont want them to have the right to wear what they want?

so out of the millions of women in the uk, they don't wear it because its their choice, that tells you something then :biggrin:

are they treated equally i think you find they are not, do they have a choice to wear or not, as English women have :wink:

[lordna]

so how do you identify shop lifters ? plus western women should be allowed to wear what they want in saudi arabia correct ? :Brick:

If a shopkeeper really feels that women wearing Burqa's are a real threat to his stock then he/she can probably impose the same rules to those wearing crash helmets or hoodies.

we are not arguing about the law in saudi arabia but whether the burqa can be worn in the UK. Here we have the freedom to wear what we want, lets not change it.

[fred]

we are not arguing about the law in saudi arabia but whether the burqa can be worn in the UK. Here we have the freedom to wear what we want, lets not change it.

Lordna... How about a little more parity and equal rights between countries.. I mean,what do these highly paid British diplomats do for their salaries and expense accounts abroad?
Here in the R.P we as Brits cannot own land,yet in the UK my wife as a Filipino has the same rights as I..
Do you think that is fair?
My wife doesn't.. She thinks that British people are being Royally screwed!
She tells me she cannot understand why the British public put up with it.
I agree with her.

[tiger31]

:xxgrinning--00xx3:
Lordna... How about a little more parity and equal rights between countries.. I mean,what do these highly paid British diplomats do for their salaries and expense accounts abroad?
Here in the R.P we as Brits cannot own land,yet in the UK my wife as a Filipino has the same rights as I..
Do you think that is fair?
My wife doesn't.. She thinks that British people are being Royally screwed!
She tells me she cannot understand why the British public put up with it.
I agree with her.

[lordna]

Lordna... How about a little more parity and equal rights between countries.. I mean,what do these highly paid British diplomats do for their salaries and expense accounts abroad?
Here in the R.P we as Brits cannot own land,yet in the UK my wife as a Filipino has the same rights as I..
Do you think that is fair?
My wife doesn't.. She thinks that British people are being Royally screwed!
She tells me she cannot understand why the British public put up with it.
I agree with her.

Maybe parity and equal rights between countries would be a good idea BUT not if it means erosion of the freedom we enjoy here that our fathers etc have fought hard for. Interesting thought but i believe a separate issue to the banning of burqas here in the UK.

[Dedworth]

Maybe parity and equal rights between countries would be a good idea BUT not if it means erosion of the freedom we enjoy here that our fathers etc have fought hard for. Interesting thought but i believe a seperate issue to the banning of burqas here in the UK.

Are you talking about the same fathers who turned in their graves after seeing these hard fought for freedoms abused by the likes of Hamza, Qatada and other proponents of the burka ?

[grahamw48]

Maybe we should ask the women members how they would feel, being obliged to walk about with a damned bag over their head, so that their insecure husband and OWNER didn't fret about some other man seeing his PROPERTY ? :Erm:

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[Dedworth]

Maybe we should ask the women members how they would feel, being obliged to walk about with a damned bag over their head, so that their insecure husband and OWNER didn't fret about some other man seeing his PROPERTY ?

Pointless Graham - there are more important issues at stake :-


Here we have the freedom to wear what we want, lets not change it.

[grahamw48]

Right, I'm going out just in my Y-fronts tomorrow then. :smile:

[bigmarco]

The following article may help some understand why some women CHOOSE to wear the Burqa

http://people.howstuffworks.com/veil3.htm

The following article from Polly Toynbee of THE GUARDIAN :xxgrinning--00xx3: may help others understand why it should be banned.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/28/religion.afghanistan

[Jamesey]

I generally agree with Lordna on this. If women, or men, want to wear a particular garment in public then let them do it! However, any form of coercion or force is obviously wrong.

The same sort of rules should apply as with motorcycle helmets, so shops and banks should be able to see their customers' faces.

Burkas should be banned for teachers, nurses and any other public sector employees. Also, employers should be able to ban them in their workplaces. There is already too much pandering to ridiculous religious doctrines in the workplace and public.

Also, this country cannot be compared to countries like Saudi Arabia. Their despicable Islamic based laws are a disgrace. Another terrible example here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/09/bride-aged-8-dies-internal-sexual-injuries-wedding-night-_n_3892892.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

I'm fully behind fighting Islamic oppression of women, but a Burka ban doesn't seem like the best way forward.

[lordna]

Maybe we should ask the women members how they would feel, being obliged to walk about with a damned bag over their head, so that their insecure husband and OWNER didn't fret about some other man seeing his PROPERTY ? :Erm:

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Unfortunately we have no way of knowing if they are obliged to wear it or do it by choice

[marksroomspain]

I certainly don't want this Christian country of ours turned into an Islamic state and Sharia law brought in which the extremists certainly want.

Yes they choose to come to our country and some have no intention of integrating into our society whatsoever.

I have worked in the middle east on numerous occasions and the girls there go around shopping malls not dressed like they do here but actually look more westernised.

It just makes you think...:cwm25::cwm25::cwm25:

[Ako Si Jamie]

This law is going to really piss off the Muslims.

And for that reason, I'm in! :biggrin:

[les_taxi]

I had the misfortune to drive through Bradford today and its a scary sight what you see, I live only 16 miles away and thank god it's a different world in Harrogate :xxgrinning--00xx3:
i was told by my customer that she had witnessed Islamic Saudi Arabians landing at Manchester dressed in all the usual garb, upon clearing customs off with the headdress and whatever they wear to reveal western expensive watches, aftershave clothes etc. they are a bunch of hypocrites using their law when it suits them.
When we wake up to this it will be a great day - at the moment many of us are still in the dark ages for refusing to accept what we see before us in the guise of multi culturism :NoNo:

[grahamw48]

Actually, I must stop getting drawn into this stuff.

Life's too short. :NoNo:

I've mostly been doing this , this evening (it looks easy cos I'm good :biggrin:).

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http://youtu.be/80Nof_Ejov8

[Ako Si Jamie]

Seriously though, I don't think this will happen in all honesty.

[tiger31]

:laugher::laugher::laugher:
Maybe we should ask the women members how they would feel, being obliged to walk about with a damned bag over their head, so that their insecure husband and OWNER didn't fret about some other man seeing his PROPERTY ? :Erm:

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[tiger31]

I had the misfortune to drive through Bradford today and its a scary sight what you see, I live only 16 miles away and thank god it's a different world in Harrogate :xxgrinning--00xx3:
i was told by my customer that she had witnessed Islamic Saudi Arabians landing at Manchester dressed in all the usual garb, upon clearing customs off with the headdress and whatever they wear to reveal western expensive watches, aftershave clothes etc. they are a bunch of hypocrites using their law when it suits them.
When we wake up to this it will be a great day - at the moment many of us are still in the dark ages for refusing to accept what we see before us in the guise of multi culturism :NoNo:
have you had a bin bag in your taxi yet les lol ?

[lordna]

Having now seen both sides of the argument, i wouldn't want anyone forced to wear something they didn't want to which is what the Guardian article appears to be saying but still think here in the UK you should be able to wear what you want.

At the end of the day if they do ban the Burqa how on earth will they enforce it?...still think it won't happen!

[joebloggs]

Having now seen both sides of the argument, i wouldn't want anyone forced to wear something they didn't want to which is what the Guardian article appears to be saying but still think here in the UK you should be able to wear what you want.

At the end of the day if they do ban the Burqa how on earth will they enforce it?...still think it won't happen!

EQUALITY, something women don't have in this country never mind some :censored: place where they shoot a school girl in the head and stone women to death :NoNo:

my wife the other day told me a Asian woman came into the surgery to see here and she had her husband was with her, my misses started to talk to her and her 'husband' said, i'll speak for my wife :NoNo:


ask your self why British women don't wear them, maybe because they don't have to , and no one would if they didn't have to :biggrin:


I've never seen Heidi klum wearing one and she must get :hubbahubba: at lot :icon_lol:

[tiger31]

Having now seen both sides of the argument, i wouldn't want anyone forced to wear something they didn't want to which is what the Guardian article appears to be saying but still think here in the UK you should be able to wear what you want.

At the end of the day if they do ban the Burqa how on earth will they enforce it?...still think it won't happen!
well the french are enforcing it, so we can also .If you carry on appeasing these people before you know it they will be trying to enforce sharia law and all the rest of the crap that goes with it .I will not live along side these islamists multi culturisim does not and will never work .

[Dedworth]

Well done Birmingham Metropolitan College :appl:

Muslim students banned from wearing religious veils at college for 'security reasons'




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2416632/Muslim-students-banned-wearing-niqab-Birmingham-Met-college-security-reasons.html#ixzz2eUqDgAJX

The veiled up females outraged by this should go and get an education in one of the stone age karzi states :icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

well the french are enforcing it, so we can also .If you carry on appeasing these people before you know it they will be trying to enforce sharia law and all the rest of the crap that goes with it .I will not live along side these islamists multi culturisim does not and will never work .

THAT is exactly what has been happening in this country for too many years now. WHY ?

We now have a country where there are different rules and standards of acceptable behaviour for different 'communities'...starting with the crash helmet/turban nonsense.

Bound to be devisive, and totally ridiculous. :NoNo:

[fred]

THAT is exactly what has been happening in this country for too many years now. WHY ?

We now have a country where there are different rules and standards of acceptable behaviour for different 'communities'...starting with the crash helmet/turban nonsense.

Bound to be devisive, and totally ridiculous. :NoNo:

I once had to sit through a 2 hour safety seminar before being allowed to enter a Glaxo building site..
We all had to wear safety boots and a hard hat which I hated BTW!!
There were more "safety men" on site than trades men..
The Sikhs however were all given a no hard hat pass.. WTF?:Erm:

[Dedworth]

At Heathrow departure security you have to remove baseball caps but veiled up beings are waved through :crazy:

[grahamw48]

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[Dedworth]

The judge has bottled it

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...w-8813828.html

the college in Birmingham has bottled it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2419835/Birmingham-Metropolitan-College-scrap-ban-Muslim-students-wearing-religious-veils-public-outcry.html?ico=news^headlines

As always we kow tow to the extremist minority

[grahamw48]

Totally predictable. :mad: