Millipede in row over Mail "smearing" his Father

[Dedworth]

Labour leader Ed Miliband is locked in a row with the Daily Mail over an article on his Marxist academic father headlined "the man who hated Britain".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24343074

An evil legacy and why we won't apologise

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2439714/Ed-Miliband-evil-legacy-wont-apologise.html#ixzz2gSqRsrlO

Well done the Mail :appl: - like Father like son.

Both the worst kind of hypocritical, wealthy, champagne socialists

[SimonH]

:yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes:

Dedworth, you should know better than to confuse people with facts :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

Has Millipede left home yet ? :Erm:

[Dedworth]

Has Millipede left home yet ? :Erm:

Not sure - I think his banana loving brother did and went for some trough feeding in the USA after he got in a bit of a strop over his previous career

[Jamesey]

Yet another gutter trawling attack by the Daily Mail. The sooner this rag goes the same way as the News of the World, the better.

But it seems like this story is having the opposite effect to that which the Daily Mail intended. I've never really rated Ed Miliband, but he's gone up in my estimation with his response to this. That also seems to be the general reaction in other sections of the media.

[andy222]

Its just a tory rag. I dont think the Labour voters will care too much

[grahamw48]

Yet another gutter trawling attack by the Daily Mail. The sooner this rag goes the same way as the News of the World, the better.

But it seems like this story is having the opposite effect to that which the Daily Mail intended. I've never really rated Ed Miliband, but he's gone up in my estimation with his response to this. That also seems to be the general reaction in other sections of the media.

Anyone would defend their dad. Nothing to get worked up about, and certainly not likely to win Millipede any votes.

The Labour party need a new leader and voters with very bad memories.

[andy222]

Anyone would defend their dad. Nothing to get worked up about, and certainly not likely to win Millipede any votes.

The Labour party need a new leader and voters with very bad memories.

Or new voters that are on benefits and dont want to go to the job center every day. Now wouldnt that :Sex: the tories up if that happened.

[grahamw48]

Or new voters that are on benefits and dont want to go to the job center every day. Now wouldnt that :Sex: the tories up if that happened.

That's a very small percentage of the total of people on benefits (on JSA and over 2 years unemployed).

I'm sure the Tories (not that I vote for them) will come up with plenty of sweeteners too, before the election. :smile:

[andy222]

Of course they will dangle the carrots Graham we are both old enough to know that.

[grahamw48]

We are indeed. :xxgrinning--00xx3::biggrin::olddude:

[Arthur Little]

Damned gutter press! :thumbsdown: That's in the past! That was then ... this is now! Even David Cameron admitted he'd have reacted "the same as Ed did" had it been his late father being targeted by the media.

:anerikke: ... wouldn't we all, in a similar situation?

[Dedworth]

Late or living I think it makes no difference all politicians have no shame in wheeling out the relatives, wives, children etc. It is fact that Millipedes Father was a classic champagne marxist living a comfortable life in his N London mansion (passed down to the current Millipdes via various inheritance tax dodging trust funds). I cant see anything wrong in the Mail quoting his disloyal verging on treasonous statements

[London_Manila]

Typical right wing Tory supporting gutter press

All they had on Miliband's father was that he had disagreed with the Falklands war
Well i never agreed with it either and i am still proud to be British

The fact that one forum member here applauds this kind of reporting speaks volumes

Socialism is certainly not about everyone being poor

Its a bit rich throwing mud around when you support a party fronted by privileged x Etonian toffs

[Dedworth]

Typical right wing Tory supporting gutter press

All they had on Miliband's father was that he had disagreed with the Falklands war
Well i never agreed with it either and i am still proud to be British

The fact that one forum member here applauds this kind of reporting speaks volumes

Socialism is certainly not about everyone being poor

Its a bit rich throwing mud around when you support a party run by privileged x Etonian toffs

Milipede repeatedly gushes about his love and respect for his dyed in the wool champagne Marxist/Socialist inheritance tax dodging father who held scant loyalty to this country. Ralph Milipede obviously did a great job shaping both of his sons moral outlook. Pass the sickbag http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu330/cthulhu19887/smileys/kotz_015.gif

[gWaPito]

Typical right wing Tory supporting gutter press.

The fact that one forum member here applauds this kind of reporting speaks volumes

Socialism is certainly not about everyone being poor

Its a bit rich throwing mud around when you support a party fronted by privileged x Etonian toffs

I think you'll find there's more than one forum member here who applaunds this kind of reporting :xxgrinning--00xx3:..if I had the inclination or even the time, I could find stuff on here what dirty tricks Labour's done over the decades.

The Mail are staying with it so, they must have something concrete on Red Ralphy .....I suggest a whole lot more than just disagreeing with the Falklands war.

As for the Conservatives being fronted by toffs...surely that can also be said for Labour :wink:

[London_Manila]

I think you'll find there's more than one forum member here who applaunds this kind of reporting:xxgrinning--00xx3:..if I had the inclination or even the time, I could find stuff on here what dirty tricks Labour's done over the decades.

The Mail are staying with it so, they must have something concrete on Red Ralphy .....I suggest a whole lot more than just disagreeing with the Falklands war.

As for the Conservatives being fronted by toffs...surely that can also be said for Labour :wink:

I prefer to read facts not smear stories

Disgusting reporting

[gWaPito]

Socialism is certainly not about everyone being poor

I agree but, the image certainly helps...you only got to look at Red Ken

[London_Manila]

Milipede repeatedly gushes about his love and respect for his dyed in the wool champagne Marxist/Socialist inheritance tax dodging father who held scant loyalty to this country. Ralph Milipede obviously did a great job shaping both of his sons moral outlook. Pass the sickbag http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu330/cthulhu19887/smileys/kotz_015.gif

His father served in the ROYAL NAVY i take it you choose to overlook this minor point :ReadIt:

[London_Manila]

I agree but, the image certainly helps...you only got to look at Red Ken

Red Ken was a much better London Mayor than the present bumbling buffoon
Johnson will find out the hard way that there is more to being a politician than just making unfunny jokes

[gWaPito]

Red Ken was a much better mayor than the present bumbling buffoon
Johnson will find out the hard way that there is more to being a politician than just making unfunny jokes

This, we both agree on :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

His father served in the ROYAL NAVY i take it you choose to overlook this minor point :ReadIt:

what a load of :censored:, for someone who hates GB why serve in the Royal Navy :Erm:, has dedworth served his country :cwm25:

[gWaPito]

what a load of :censored:, for someone who hates GB why serve in the Royal Navy :Erm:, has dedworth served his country :cwm25:

Ded's serving it on here, so lay off :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Thanks for the rep Joe Xx

[joebloggs]

Ded's serving it on here, so lay off :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Thanks for the rep Joe Xx

if you lay off the sunny d :Cuckoo:

it's all a smear campaign , but no doubt it will back fire :biggrin:

[London_Manila]

what a load of :censored:, for someone who hates GB why serve in the Royal Navy :Erm:, has dedworth served his country :cwm25:

The Gutter press article stated that his father hated Britain but there was no evidence of that in the said article.............

[Dedworth]

what a load of :censored:, for someone who hates GB why serve in the Royal Navy :Erm:, has dedworth served his country :cwm25:

No I've not served in the armed forces but support them 100%

Miliband senior was conscripted into the forces like millions of his generation.

The Mail's Deputy Editor rightly justifies their stance on why he hated Britain as follows :

Ralph Miliband's views on British institutions from our schools to our royal family, to our military to our universities, to the Church to our great newspapers ... what he said was that he felt that all of those things were bad aspects, were unfortunate aspects of British life...

"If you take those things together and you combine them with an espousing of a Marxist ideology, that in our view represented someone who hated British values


Miliband junior is a £700 suit wearing, champagne socialist who wants to gag the press. He often cites his father as an inspiration for his desire to restore socialism so therefore his fathers marxist views are a legit topic for debate

[andy222]

You must have shares in the mail Ded.:icon_lol:

[lordna]

Yet another gutter trawling attack by the Daily Mail. The sooner this rag goes the same way as the News of the World, the better.

But it seems like this story is having the opposite effect to that which the Daily Mail intended. I've never really rated Ed Miliband, but he's gone up in my estimation with his response to this. That also seems to be the general reaction in other sections of the media.

Here Here!

[gWaPito]

No I've not served in the armed forces but support them 100%

Miliband senior was conscripted into the forces like millions of his generation.

The Mail's Deputy Editor rightly justifies their stance on why he hated Britain as follows :

Ralph Miliband's views on British institutions from our schools to our royal family, to our military to our universities, to the Church to our great newspapers ... what he said was that he felt that all of those things were bad aspects, were unfortunate aspects of British life...

"If you take those things together and you combine them with an espousing of a Marxist ideology, that in our view represented someone who hated British values


Miliband junior is a £700 suit wearing, champagne socialist who wants to gag the press. He often cites his father as an inspiration for his desire to restore socialism so therefore his fathers marxist views are a legit topic for debate
The Daily Mail has done this country a great service by exposing the Miliband family for what they stand for :yikes:

The Labour party just as well better start looking for another leader. ..next time they should do their homework on whom they actually put forward :NoNo:

I keep trying to give you rep Ded :NoNo:

[grahamw48]

Given on your behalf. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

:appl::appl::appl: well done Campbell for putting the low life in his place :xxgrinning--00xx3:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUo_GcpiIUw

[gWaPito]

Given on your behalf. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

just this moment returned the compliment :biggrin::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Jamesey]

The more I read about this, the more despicable I find the conduct of the Daily Mail. :cwm23::cwm23::cwm23:

The online edition featured a picture of Ralph Miliband's gravestone, accompanied by a cheap pun. The Daily Mail actually admitted that this may not have been appropriate! To me, it just speaks volumes about this grotty rag and its agenda.

There's also the hypocrisy. The Daily Mail criticises David Miliband's parentage. Perhaps it should focus on its own parentage:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2005/apr/01/pressandpublishing.secondworldwar?guni=Article:in%20body%20link

Did anyone else see Alistair Campbell and the Daily Mail's deputy editor on Newsnight last night? I'm no fan of Campbell, but he was right on the money! This is brilliant!
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/01/daily-mail--jon-steafel-alastair-campbell_n_4026312.html

[Dedworth]

Milipede brought in the vile-rent-a-gob Alistair Campbell to fight his corner on the BBC - is he one of his advisers nowadays ? Perhaps Blair's not bunging his old mate enough wedge

[bigmac]

serious question for you "more mature" members:--

do you think ed millipede sounds like zippy out of Rainbow--? remember it...??

hes just the labour party stooge--the fall guy when they lose the next election. but--whose next in the spot?

[joebloggs]

Milipede brought in the vile-rent-a-gob Alistair Campbell to fight his corner on the BBC - is he one of his advisers nowadays ? Perhaps Blair's not bunging his old mate enough wedge

:icon_lol: campbell put the :censored: in his place :xxgrinning--00xx3:

how low and in the gutter can the mail get showing the grave of his dad, printing quotes from when he was 17 and attacking someone who is dead, sums up the mail, i hope it backfires and goes the same way as the New of the world :wink:

[grahamw48]

serious question for you "more mature" members:--

do you think ed millipede sounds like zippy out of Rainbow--? remember it...??

hes just the labour party stooge--the fall guy when they lose the next election. but--whose next in the spot?

Yes...Jeffwey. :laugher:

[bigmarco]

Quite why they feel the need to launch an attack on a dead man is beyond me. For once I salute Cameron for saying what he did.
I can only assume that with it's history of supporting Fascists it sees even dead Marxists as a threat :cwm23:
Embarrassing journalism. :NoNo:

[andy222]

There are millions that hate britain. What is the problem?

[joebloggs]

well its back fired because its took up time on the news and press and away from cameron and his ground breaking policies :icon_lol:

oh great idea, stop kids claiming dole, so easy to do takes so little effort, how about creating something likes jobs or apprenticeships for them so they don't need to, not so easy for cameron that takes effort :doh

[joebloggs]

There are millions that hate britain. What is the problem?

good point Andy, many on here have said they cant wait to get out of this country and go to the phils :icon_lol:

i've not seen anywhere his dad said 'hate' :doh

[andy222]

Thats the big problem Joe when the kids are trained there is no jobs for them. But there is a few on here that cant see that.:doh

[SimonH]

well its back fired because its took up time on the news and press and away from cameron and his ground breaking policies :icon_lol:

oh great idea, stop kids claiming dole, so easy to do takes so little effort, how about creating something likes jobs or apprenticeships for them so they don't need to, not so easy for cameron that takes effort :doh

Young people under 25 could lose their state benefits if they are not in work, education or training in the next round of Conservative welfare reforms, David Cameron revealed today.

In his closing speech the Tory conference in Manchester, the Prime Minister disclosed that his party’s manifesto for the 2015 election would include proposals to tackle the problem of “Neets” – young people not in education, employment or training.

Later Tory officials confirmed that under-25s would lose their automatic right to Housing Benefit and Jobseeker’s Allowance if they refused to take up offers of work, training or education. The move is unlikely to be introduced before the 2015 election because the Liberal Democrats have already blocked proposals by Tory ministers to curb Housing Benefit for under-25s.


You don't really need a shovel to dig that hole you're in do you Joe :Erm:

[joebloggs]

Thats the big problem Joe when the kids are trained there is no jobs for them. But there is a few on here that cant see that.:doh

government's have partly created this mess with their tier 1 and 2 visa's, they should have told unis to start courses for the jobs that are on the jobs shortage list' they did it with doctors, why not the other jobs on the list , instead of worthless combined psychology and knitting degrees :doh

they know what skilled workers this country needs from the list they create, so there no excuses for not training Brits to do the jobs :doh

[joebloggs]

You don't really need a shovel to dig that hole you're in do you Joe :Erm:

:icon_lol: Cameron going to need a shovel that's many under 25yr old that will not be voting Tory, there only you , dedworth and gWapito left :biggrin:

next tory gov , oh thats going to be probably 10yrs away :laugher:

i doubt they can do that anyway , under 25 is young now, i thought that was 18 :doh by UK law your no longer a minor, so if someone at 16 gets a job and works til they are 24 and gets made redundant, they are not allowed benefits he talking :censored: :icon_lol:

[SimonH]

:icon_lol: Cameron going to need a shovel that's many under 25yr old that will not be voting Tory, there only you , dedworth and gWapito left :biggrin:

next tory gov , oh thats going to be probably 10yrs away :laugher:

i doubt they can do that anyway , under 25 is young now, i thought that was 18 :doh by UK law your no longer a minor, so if someone at 16 gets a job and works til they are 24 and gets made redundant, they are not allowed benefits he talking :censored: :icon_lol:


Joe, yet again I find myself having to quote the obvious, and no doubt yet again you'll come out with some other drivel. So once again, here's the relevant part of the speech which you're having difficulty understanding:-

" if they refused to take up offers of work, training or education "

now come on, it's really not that difficult to comprehend is it :Erm:

[joebloggs]

so where are these offers of work going to come from, training or education are they in fantasy land or are you ?


jobs doing what , where are they on the EU job web site ? training college or ??
where's the info on the training or education or jobs, ??? nothing surely they have an idea or do they ???? i wait your answer :biggrin:

[SimonH]

so where are these offers of work going to come from, training or education are they in fantasy land or are you ?


jobs doing what , where are they on the EU job web site ? training college or ??
where's the info on the training or education or jobs, ??? nothing surely they have an idea or do they ???? i wait your answer :biggrin:

As predicted Joe, more drivel to deflect from the fact that you misread the speech and can't admit you were wrong.
As you may have guessed by the fact that I was posting on here when the speech in question was being broadcast, I am not the leader of the conservative party. However, I do support his principles. Now I'm sure with all your skills for digging up rubbish on the net a man of your somewhat blinkered intelligence can find the email to the conservative party and direct your question to them rather than ask me to guess :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

Young people under 25 could lose their state benefits if they are not in work, education or training in the next round of Conservative welfare reforms, David Cameron revealed today.

In his closing speech the Tory conference in Manchester, the Prime Minister disclosed that his party’s manifesto for the 2015 election would include proposals to tackle the problem of “Neets” – young people not in education, employment or training.

Later Tory officials confirmed that under-25s would lose their automatic right to Housing Benefit and Jobseeker’s Allowance if they refused to take up offers of work, training or education. The move is unlikely to be introduced before the 2015 election because the Liberal Democrats have already blocked proposals by Tory ministers to curb Housing Benefit for under-25s.


You don't really need a shovel to dig that hole you're in do you Joe :Erm:

As for the kids being unable to find work on finishing their training. ..perhaps they should of got trained for something in demand in their chosen living area. ...failing that, get on their bikes and find the work. ..If the Eastern Europeans can do it why can't they.

[joebloggs]

like i said its so easy to say your not getting this or that, but its a completely different matter creating over 1,000,000 jobs, training places or apprenticeships for these under 25yrs old.

so less of the waffle and more of the facts of how this is going to happen :biggrin:

so you've no idea then? neither has Cameron :doh if he did have he would have said something :crazy: more bull :censored:

[gWaPito]

like i said its so easy to say your not getting this or that, but its a completely different matter creating over 1,000,000 jobs, training places or apprenticeships for these under 25yrs old.

so less of the waffle and more of the facts of how this is going to happen :biggrin:

so you've no idea then? neither has Cameron :doh if he did have he would have said something :crazy: more bull :censored:

I dont really know what you are banging on about Joe. ..The government have said that if these under 25s refuse they would loose all their benefits which I think is perfectly reasonable

[joebloggs]

I dont really know what you are banging on about Joe. ..The government have said that it these under 25s refuse they would loose all their benefits which I think is perfectly reasonable

well its not going to happen as pointed out, they will have to refuse a job, training or an apprenticeship :icon_lol: like i said its not going to happen because the gov is going to have to find places for 1,000,000+ under 25yr olds first before they can refuse them benefits :icon_lol:

blast from the past .. nothing changes back to 1984 :biggrin:

"Down by the docks the talking turned/ 'As some are striving to survive/ The others thrive.'"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVWA_nw7oc4

[bigmarco]

I think Joe makes a perfectly simple and valid point. I think it's rather blinkered to support a policy and yet not be able to answer his question.
Camerons idea only has validity if he has somewhere for these people to go. You cant say you're going to stop their benefits if you have nothing for them to do.
Wouldn't it have also been a good idea to say that on top of this I'm also going to compel companies to offer their positions first to the unemployed whether it's actual jobs or apprenticeships. No more jobs on Euro websites until we've sorted our own out first.
For a party that's always quick to wrap itself in the union jack this would have been a very patriotic thing to do. British positions for British Unemployed.
The policy is a decent policy if you have something for them to do but if you haven't all it amounts to is hot air which just about sums Cameron's speech up :thumbsdown:

[joebloggs]

now if he said, I've been in contact with the top 100 companies in the UK, and I have secured 100,000 apprenticeships or jobs (never-mind the 1m he needs ) then I'll believe it, but like public enemy said 'don't believe the hype' :biggrin: he's made a big speech with words but nothing to back it up.. and remember you cant just have British jobs for British workers , they have to be available to any Europeans to :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

Very good point Marco.

It's ridiculous importing labour when we have so many unemployed.

I don't for one minute accept the excuses that employers are putting up for simply taking advantage of CHEAP LABOUR.

Our government (of whatever party) simply needs to grasp one or two nettles, and sort out an education system that produces school-leavers who are employable, and a system that encourages dependency....as well as closing the gates to the foreigners who are disrupting our employment market. :mad:

Ie...GET OUT OF THE EU ! :Brick:

[tone]

There was a program on BBC about a year ago where school leavers were offered jobs and they had to prove themselves initially.
What shocked me was the attitude of most of the kids - they just couldnt be bothered. I know thats not a large enough "sample" but it opened my eyes to the types of sillyness that exists in a group of people that seem to want everything on a plate..

I also think the schools really need to think about the skills of tomorrow - in my industry (IT Security) there is a shortage of people - there are loads of jobs in my sector, I believe I get 2 calls a week from headhunters asking if I'm looking or know anyone suitable..
I'm glad my son (just finished he GCSE's) seems to have his head screwed on but lots of his friends didnt get the required grades to stay in his 6th form and he now calls them losers because they had the chance but decided to doss rather then graft. My son only got this attitude a year ago and had to turn around his studies big time and he did. I was really pleased.

Personally with the way this country is going we need to see youngsters do something otherwise some of us will be supporting our kids well into their 20's...

Going back to this party or that party - if Labour come back into power things wont change... and I think we'll have to really tighten our belts even more... somehoe I cant see millipede as a PM.

[London_Manila]

Milipede brought in the vile-rent-a-gob Alistair Campbell to fight his corner on the BBC - is he one of his advisers nowadays ? Perhaps Blair's not bunging his old mate enough wedge

Paul Dacre never had the balls to go on live TV and defend his gutter newspaper !

[London_Manila]

No I've not served in the armed forces but support them 100%

Miliband senior was conscripted into the forces like millions of his generation.

The Mail's Deputy Editor rightly justifies their stance on why he hated Britain as follows :

Ralph Miliband's views on British institutions from our schools to our royal family, to our military to our universities, to the Church to our great newspapers ... what he said was that he felt that all of those things were bad aspects, were unfortunate aspects of British life...

"If you take those things together and you combine them with an espousing of a Marxist ideology, that in our view represented someone who hated British values


Miliband junior is a £700 suit wearing, champagne socialist who wants to gag the press. He often cites his father as an inspiration for his desire to restore socialism so therefore his fathers marxist views are a legit topic for debate

If Miliband turned up in a cheap suite from Primark you would complain about that

[gWaPito]

Personally with the way this country is going we need to see youngsters do something otherwise some of us will be supporting our kids well into their 20's...

Been there, done that :NoNo:...My eldest 2 are both in their early thirties now and still I get touched up every so often.....Yet, both of them have good jobs paying good money...something isn't right :NoNo:

[lordna]

When Ed Milliband's dad was a teenager, railing against privilege, look who Daily Mail proprietor Lord Rothermere was socialising with.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1043952_10151600574635448_587318431_n.jpg

[SimonH]

Ed Milliband's dad was Hitler :yikes:

[gWaPito]

When Ed Milliband's dad was a teenager, railing against privilege, look who Daily Mail proprietor Lord Rothermere was socialising with.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1043952_10151600574635448_587318431_n.jpg

This was taken well before any war and Hitler's march through Europe..:NoNo:

It's been well documented what Red Ralphy rallying about...I certainly don't see it as privilege.

[Trefor]

As predicted Joe, more drivel to deflect from the fact that you misread the speech and can't admit you were wrong.
As you may have guessed by the fact that I was posting on here when the speech in question was being broadcast, I am not the leader of the conservative party. However, I do support his principles. Now I'm sure with all your skills for digging up rubbish on the net a man of your somewhat blinkered intelligence can find the email to the conservative party and direct your question to them rather than ask me to guess :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Simon - this is a typical Left response to a sensible policy. Ignore the facts, they are not relevant, just think of the children and kittens.

Meanwhile, why didn't this cause similar outrage (link below):

http://order-order.com/2013/10/03/mail-continue-miliband-mauling-where-was-outrage-at-thatcher-grave-dancer/

[Trefor]

This was taken well before any war and Hitler's march through Europe..:NoNo:

It's been well documented what Red Ralphy rallying about...I certainly don't see it as privilege.

I think there are lots of people photo'd with Hilter. He ran Europe's most powerful economy for a bit before becoming an enemy. Same for other dictators in more recently fallen despot-esque regimes.

[Dedworth]

I think there are lots of people photo'd with Hilter. He ran Europe's most powerful economy for a bit before becoming an enemy.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/04/article-2033502-0DB39B0000000578-883_468x465.jpg

http://www.remnantofgod.org/NaziRCC/hitler_cardinal4.jpg


Same for other dictators in more recently fallen despot-esque regimes.

Here's some wealthy British Champagne Socialists with unsavoury characters

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Gordon+Brown+Muammar+al+Gaddafi+G8+L+Aquila+sEV5RMzZibIl.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTE042l4Qi5wjAFrQXRsy6M1luPoUDuh5dyRmCrH2zYdfRPNef

http://commentisfreewatch.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/6a00d83451586c69e200e54f7286568833-800wi.jpg

[Dedworth]

The Daily Mail is now being accused of anti-semitism both in the media (also by some Guardian readers on this forum :laugher:)

Just to clarify and for the sake of good order :-

Both the author of the article, Geoffrey Levy, and the paper’s deputy editor, Jon Steafel who defended the piece on Newsnight, are Jewish.

In an interview with the Evening Standard, editor Sarah Sands said Miliband "rejects the suggestion of some of his more indignant supporters that the attack on his father is closet racism.

[gWaPito]

I think there are lots of people photo'd with Hilter. He ran Europe's most powerful economy for a bit before becoming an enemy. Same for other dictators in more recently fallen despot-esque regimes.

Exactly Trefor. ..like Joe, would be nice to spend some quality time on here :NoNo: especially when threads like this crop up.

A rep in the post :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Cheers
Gwaps:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

Well, Gwaps ... :anerikke: ... whatever the "why's and wherefores" of this debate, I'm pleased to see you getting "stuck in there" - clearly enjoying yourself! :Jump: Shows the therapeutic effect it's having on your morale after the hell you've been through ... and that, my friend, can only be a good thing! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2mnKyq8Uor0/TqMkMcoWg8I/AAAAAAAABIY/jIoQ0ZZWtpE/s400/mugabe.jpg


http://media.salon.com/2013/04/thatcher_pinochet-620x412.jpg

:NoNo:
stick that on your wall dedworth :biggrin:

[Dedworth]

Here's a few champagne guzzlers you might need for your collection Joe :biggrin:

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http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr05/2013/8/27/16/enhanced-buzz-2140-1377635434-1.jpg

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http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02034/72614109_2034229b.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1600000/images/_1600113_yasserandblair2.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45219000/jpg/_45219048_-36.jpg

[bigmarco]

Interesting that for such a patriotic newspaper its proprietor doesn't pay a penny in tax to the :Britain: but makes a sizeable contribution to the Conservative Party.
That's what gets me about the extreme right. They love this country so much that the mere mention of paying some or a bit more tax and they're either threatening or on their bikes straight away. Rule Britannia but they sell off Nuclear power stations to the French, Water Companies to the French and Germans, Rail Companies to France, Holland and Germany, Steel Industry to India and even the Spanish own a lot of our main Airports. To top this off we're just about to flog off the Royal Mail. What price the Queens Head is going to end up in the hands of the Germans.
So what's more patriotic selling off most of the infrastructure off this great country to Germany and the rest of the World or wanting to nationalise it and bring back into state ownership where all profits go back to the country.:smile:

[gWaPito]

Well, Gwaps ... :anerikke: ... whatever the "why's and wherefores" of this debate, I'm pleased to see you getting "stuck in there" - clearly enjoying yourself! :Jump: Shows the therapeutic effect it's having on your morale after the hell you've been through ... and that, my friend, can only be a good thing! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Thanks Arthur :xxgrinning--00xx3:
I know I'll have bad days as well. ..After all said and done, it's not me calling the shots. .I'm all to aware things can get difficult in a flash. ..long may she remain happy. .If she's happy so is everyone else. ..even with children, possession is 9 10 tenths of the law.
I'm just making hay while the sun shines :biggrin:

[Arthur Little]

Thanks Arthur :xxgrinning--00xx3:
I know I'll have bad days as well. ..After all said and done, it's not me calling the shots. .I'm all to aware things can get difficult in a flash. ..long may she remain happy. .If she's happy so is everyone else. ..even with children, possession is 9 10 tenths of the law.
I'm just making hay while the sun shines :biggrin:

Ah ... :olddude: ... but I take my hat :coucouchapeau: off to you for the way you've coped with an extremely difficult situation. Indeed, circumstances in which many would buckle under the pressure of it all. May you now go from strength to strength, mate ... and my thanks for the rep; it's very much appreciated. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

Interesting that for such a patriotic newspaper its proprietor doesn't pay a penny in tax to the :Britain: but makes a sizeable contribution to the Conservative Party.


Marco they're following the fine example of Champagne Socialist Margaret Hodges family business :-

Margaret Hodge's family company pays just 0.01pc tax on £2.1bn of business generated in the UK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businesslatestnews/9668396/Margaret-Hodges-family-company-pays-just-0.01pc-tax-on-2.1bn-of-business-generated-in-the-UK.html#

[lordna]

This was taken well before any war and Hitler's march through Europe..:NoNo:

It's been well documented what Red Ralphy rallying about...I certainly don't see it as privilege.

The following article gives an indication of how close Lord Rothermere was to Hitler and at what time. It certainly wasn't, as you suggest, "well before the war"
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2005/apr/01/pressandpublishing.secondworldwar?guni=Article:in%20body%20link

I dont think readers on this forum can claim that others are now accusing the Daily Mail of anti-semmitism. The fact that the articles author and deputy deditor are Jewish has absolutely no bearing on the proprieter Lord Rothermere, from over 50 years ago who may have had totally different beliefs.

This thread now seems to have "lost the plot". The reason i posted the picture of Rothermere and Hitler was to illustrate that the Mail has its own skeletons in the cupboard which perhaps it should remember before publishing such tripe.

Sadly there are plently of small minded Daily Mail readers only too happy to read and delight in this rubbish. Personally i think Miliband is justified in creating a fuss over the article.

[grahamw48]

Interesting that for such a patriotic newspaper its proprietor doesn't pay a penny in tax to the :Britain: but makes a sizeable contribution to the Conservative Party.
That's what gets me about the extreme right. They love this country so much that the mere mention of paying some or a bit more tax and they're either threatening or on their bikes straight away. Rule Britannia but they sell off Nuclear power stations to the French, Water Companies to the French and Germans, Rail Companies to France, Holland and Germany, Steel Industry to India and even the Spanish own a lot of our main Airports. To top this off we're just about to flog off the Royal Mail. What price the Queens Head is going to end up in the hands of the Germans.
So what's more patriotic selling off most of the infrastructure off this great country to Germany and the rest of the World or wanting to nationalise it and bring back into state ownership where all profits go back to the country.:smile:

I agree...all totally wrong. :NoNo:

British utility companies in particular should NEVER be under foreign ownership.

The Royal Mail should be stripped of its name (and the Queen's head) if they insist on it being sold off. :mad:

[gWaPito]

Personally i think Miliband is justified in creating a fuss over the article.
Just like the Mail, and most of us decent people, we were justifiable in making our displeasure known at the gross disrespect given to baroness Lady Thatcher's memory and her family at her funeral.

Ded posted a pic of Miliband and the grave dancer hand in hand.

This showed this guy's true colours. .

[Arthur Little]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02034/72614109_2034229b.jpg

:omg: ... dig Bliar's fancy "headgear" ................................................. :yeahthat: !

:cwm24: ... looks like a squashed bloody teacosy!

[andy222]

A paper from the gutter. I wouldnt wipe my :action-smiley-081: with it never alone buy it.

[Dedworth]

I dont think readers on this forum can claim that others are now accusing the Daily Mail of anti-semmitism. The fact that the articles author and deputy deditor are Jewish has absolutely no bearing on the proprieter Lord Rothermere, from over 50 years ago who may have had totally different beliefs.

This thread now seems to have "lost the plot". The reason i posted the picture of Rothermere and Hitler was to illustrate that the Mail has its own skeletons in the cupboard which perhaps it should remember before publishing such tripe.

Sadly there are plently of small minded Daily Mail readers only too happy to read and delight in this rubbish. Personally i think Miliband is justified in creating a fuss over the article.

:laugher:

You posted a 1930's picture of Hitler & Lord Rothermere (great grandfather of the present Mail owner) then by referring to it as a skeleton in the Mails cupboard you are unsubtly giving a broad hint of a facist, anti-semitic connection with the 2013 Mail article. It's the tired old left wing ploy when all else fails play the racist card.

Read my post #66 where in the Standard Milipede himself "rejects the suggestion of some of his more indignant supporters that the attack on his father is closet racism"

[lordna]

:laugher:

You posted a 1930's picture of Hitler & Lord Rothermere (great grandfather of the present Mail owner) then by referring to it as a skeleton in the Mails cupboard you are unsubtly giving a broad hint of a facist, anti-semitic connection with the 2013 Mail article. It's the tired old left wing ploy when all else fails play the racist card.

Read my post #66 where in the Standard Milipede himself "rejects the suggestion of some of his more indignant supporters that the attack on his father is closet racism"

"The Conservative MP Zac Goldsmith went further, pointing out that the Mail had been an enthusiastic supporter of the Nazis in the 1930s. Mr Goldsmith said it was “odd for a newspaper to judge a man on the basis of the history of his family when that newspaper is owned by a family that did more to pursue the Nazi cause prewar than any other [publication]”.

Referring to Harold Harmsworth, the first Viscount Rothermere and great-grandfather of the current proprietor, he said: “[Joseph] Goebbels himself wrote endless documents about Rothermere, describing him as being a strong ally and ‘strongly against the Jews’. Those are the words he used. "

The above extracted from an article appearing in the Independant
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/a-man-who-hated-britain-ed-miliband-accuses-daily-mail-of-appalling-lie-about-his-father-ralph-8852106.html

Seems to me the Daily Mail had very strong facist, anti-semitic connections. Would the present Daily Mail owner be defending his great grandfathers views i wonder?

Regardless of the Mails past, clearly you cannot ignore that the article was in bad taste, the press watchdog having now received 32 complaints about it. Publishing a photograph of Ralph Milibands grave with an online copy of the article was more than "an error of judgement", which gladly they did hastily remove. I fail to understand how anyone can defend the Mail and this sort of gutter journalism.

[bigmarco]

If you've got any doubt about the Mails fascist leanings here's an article published in the paper in April 2012 at the time of the French elections. Sarkozy (centre right) versus Hollande (left) . Obviously Sarkozy wasn't far enough to the right as the mail article which was headlined Despite her flaws, the only responsible vote in France next Sunday is one for Marine Le Pen suggested the only vote was for The National Front.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2132611/French-elections-2012-Marine-Le-Pen-responsible-vote-France.html

[SimonH]

8484


Dave's still interested, I'm going slightly :crazy:

[joebloggs]

Marco they're following the fine example of Champagne Socialist Margaret Hodges family business :-

Margaret Hodge's family company pays just 0.01pc tax on £2.1bn of business generated in the UK

Margaret Hodge, chairman of the Public Accounts Committee, is facing embarrassing revelations over the tax affairs of her family company just days before she is due to lead the grilling of US companies over controversial tax arrangements.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businesslatestnews/9668396/Margaret-Hodges-family-company-pays-just-0.01pc-tax-on-2.1bn-of-business-generated-in-the-UK.html#


for some reason you missed this dedworth :Erm:

David Cameron's election guru Lynton Crosby uses mysterious offshore tax haven

Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lynton-crosby-uses-offshore-tax-2333149#ixzz2ggxusHbJ
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[gWaPito]

I fail to understand how anyone can defend the Mail and this sort of gutter journalism.

Put simply, it's giving the general public an insight into what poison Ralph Miliband instilled into both his sons.

The leader of the Labour party has said countless times what a major influence his father was on him.

[grahamw48]

I would comment on this thread, but I have a Budgie to bath. :smile:

[gWaPito]

I would comment on this thread, but I have a Budgie to bath. :smile:
Not that dead one again. .I shave mine every couple of weeks...It saves the hot water :biggrin::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

Put simply, it's giving the general public an insight into what poison Ralph Miliband instilled into both his sons.
.

what has he instilled in his sons, examples please gWaPito ?

[Dedworth]

for some reason you missed this dedworth :Erm:

David Cameron's election guru Lynton Crosby uses mysterious offshore tax haven

Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lynton-crosby-uses-offshore-tax-2333149#ixzz2ggxusHbJ
Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook

He's a Colonial Joe on a short contract with the Conservative Party I'd think its a matter for him and the Oz tax people.

How many Eastern European cars do you reckon are on our roads without any car tax (or insurance and MoT's) ?

[joebloggs]

.

How many Eastern European cars do you reckon are on our roads without any car tax (or insurance and MoT's) ?

i've seen a few polish ones, whats the rules with tax discs then, they been here for months :NoNo:

[Dedworth]

lwhat has he instilled in his sons, examples please gWaPito ?

I'll jump the queue and start the ball rolling with Marxist Leninist 1950's era Soviet Style State Control.

strangely as a refugee who fled persecution Miliband senior was always too busy with his leftist agitation and Hampstead Politburos to comment on the millions who perished and suffered postwar behind the Iron Curtain

[Dedworth]

i've seen a few polish ones, whats the rules with tax discs then, they been here for months :NoNo:

Dunno the rules Joe but it strikes me as tax avoidance on a mass scale :mad:

[London_Manila]

A paper from the gutter. I wouldnt wipe my :action-smiley-081: with it never alone buy it.

The Daily Mail and The Sun are just right wing propaganda gutter newspapers

A pathetic pro Tory slant on every story they print

There days are numbered now anyway most people these days get their news on free apps on their mobile phones :smile:

[gWaPito]

The Daily Mail and The Sun are just right wing propaganda gutter newspapers

A pathetic pro Tory slant on every story they print

There days are numbered now anyway most people these days get their news on free apps on their mobile phones :smile:

same can be said for the Express and the Mirror......You know very well that's how news papers the world over, work:wink:

[gWaPito]

what has he instilled in his sons, examples please gWaPito ?

The Daily Mail has the right to talk about Ralph Miliband in relation to his son, the Labour leader Ed Miliband.

Miliband Junior has made extensive references to the love and respect he has for his late father and the influence he had on his moral outloook. The character and background of a politician is important.

So if the Mail thinks Ralph was a dangerous Marxist who had doubts about his national loyalties then it’s valid, if barrel-scraping, to raise that.

[joebloggs]

Dunno the rules Joe but it strikes me as tax avoidance on a mass scale :mad:

near me there are a number of cars with polish number plates on and they've been there for months so they are not just visiting, must be a road tax scam :cwm25:

[joebloggs]

The Daily Mail has the right to talk about Ralph Miliband in relation to his son, the Labour leader Ed Miliband.

Miliband Junior has made extensive references to the love and respect he has for his late father and the influence he had on his moral outloook. The character and background of a politician is important.

So if the Mail thinks Ralph was a dangerous Marxist who had doubts about his national loyalties then it’s valid, if barrel-scraping, to raise that.

gWaPito , dedworth said 'like father like son' what a load of :censored:, everyone has their own mind and views, so when has his sons talked about having Marxist views? they are barrel-scraping when its a quote from when he was 17 :doh

has his father got a criminal record, has he ever hurt anyone or done time in prison :NoNo:, i think the answer is no, unlike many politicians and look at the bullingdon boy boz the lies he told :doh

and how was he dangerous , did he try and bring down the gov, blow up parliament :Erm: he couldn't have been that dangerous :laugher:

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire and so he should have the same rights as you and I have :biggrin:

[SimonH]

near me there are a number of cars with polish number plates on and they've been there for months so they are not just visiting, must be a road tax scam :cwm25:

So as a concerned citizen, apart from bringing it up as an example on here, what have you done about it or who have you reported it to? :Erm:

[joebloggs]

So as a concerned citizen, apart from bringing it up as an example on here, what have you done about it or who have you reported it to? :Erm:

well do you know the rules ? report what, is a crime being committed :cwm25:

[SimonH]

gWaPito , dedworth said 'like father like son' what a load of :censored:, everyone has their own mind and views, so when has his sons talked about having Marxist views? they are barrel-scraping when its a quote from when he was 17 :doh

has his father got a criminal record, has he ever hurt anyone or done time in prison :NoNo:, i think the answer is no, unlike many politicians and look at the bullingdon boy boz the lies he told :doh

and how was he dangerous , did he try and bring down the gov, blow up parliament :Erm: he couldn't have been that dangerous :laugher:

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire and so he should have the same rights as you and I have :biggrin:

That's very sad :bigcry:
I'm proud to say that my parents had a great influence on my life, I'm truly sorry that yours didn't.

[SimonH]

well do you know the rules ? report what, is a crime being committed :cwm25:

From your original authoritative reply I'd have a guess at tax evasion, some sort of road tax scam to quote you :cwm25:

[joebloggs]

That's very sad :bigcry:
I'm proud to say that my parents had a great influence on my life, I'm truly sorry that yours didn't.

:icon_lol: your talking :censored:,
my parents taught me more than you could ever know, and what freedom is, you know nothing of my parents, the fact is my mother lived under the Nazi's and my father joined the Russian army to fight them. and no he wasn't Russian or a communist but was prepared to give his life for the freedom you have now.

what did they teach you tell me ?

[SimonH]

:icon_lol: your talking :censored:,
my parents taught me more than you could ever know, and what freedom is, you know nothing of my parents, the fact is my mother lived under the Nazi's and my father joined the Russian army to fight them. and no he wasn't Russian or a communist but was prepared to give his life for the freedom you have now.

what did they teach you tell me ?


Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
gWaPito , dedworth said 'like father like son' what a load of , everyone has their own mind and views, so when has his sons talked about having Marxist views? they are barrel-scraping when its a quote from when he was 17

Just quoting you Joe, nothing more, nothing less :biggrin:

[joebloggs]

so you agree with the quote' like father like son' so your like your father or not, so if your father was a communist or a murder or gay you would be one to :icon_lol:

[joebloggs]

what did they teach you tell me ?

they obliviously didn't teach you about compassion and empathy for those less fortunate than yourself and also to tolerate other peoples views :doh

[SimonH]

so you agree with the quote' like father like son' so your like your father or not, so if your father was a communist or a murder or gay you would be one to :icon_lol:

Spot on :xxgrinning--00xx3:
If my father was a communist, then I'm sure I'd have been indoctrinated with the same views from an early age, and would be ignorant to other peoples point of views.
I'm not sure what a murder is, something to do with a group of crows I believe. If you mean murderer then that's just plain stupid :crazy:
If he was gay, then I'm fairly certain that I wouldn't be here to answer your daft questions :icon_lol:

[SimonH]

they obliviously didn't teach you about compassion and empathy for those less fortunate than yourself and also to tolerate other peoples views :doh

We better draw a line under this now Joe, before it gets into a personal slanging match.
I suggest you think before you type, you have the front to talk to me about tolerating other peoples point of view :laugher::laugher:
Don't judge people by your own standards Joe, especially about my levels of compassion and empathy.
I realise you've been here since October 2006 and I'm a relitive newbie, but it also says Moderator under your name, and not Antagoniser. Maybe you could look up the difference :Erm::Erm::Erm::Erm:

As I said I'm willing to draw a line under this, I can only hope you're man enough to do the same.

Simon

[Dedworth]

The Daily Mail and The Sun are just right wing propaganda gutter newspapers

A pathetic pro Tory slant on every story they print

There days are numbered now anyway most people these days get their news on free apps on their mobile phones :smile:

I'd recommend the Daily Mail Android App - it's very good

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/article-2040059/Its-Android-app-youve-waiting--Try-FREE.html

[grahamw48]

Peace brothers !!! :ReadIt: :heartshape1:

[Dedworth]

Peace brothers !!! :ReadIt: :heartshape1:

The thread's run it's course time for http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/forum/smileyvault-locked2.gif

[joebloggs]

Don't judge people by your own standards Joe, especially about my levels of compassion and empathy.


well you've not shown much of these attributes on here:doh, sorry for my spelling mistakes, some of us have to go to work and pay for the layabouts . ops sounding like you now :biggrin:

[joebloggs]

The thread's run it's course time for http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/forum/smileyvault-locked2.gif

:icon_lol: coming from you dedworth :biggrin:

we are a tolerate bunch on here :biggrin: the way it should be :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[SimonH]

well you've not shown much of these attributes on here:doh, sorry for my spelling mistakes, some of us have to go to work and pay for the layabouts . ops sounding like you now :biggrin:

:doh:doh Cheers Joe, I see you've taken your new role as Antagoniser on with enthusiasm.
Shame you couldn't draw a line under it and be the bigger man as I suggested :NoNo:

[gWaPito]

My parents taught me more than you could ever know, and what freedom is, you know nothing of my parents, the fact is my mother lived under the Nazi's and my father joined the Russian army to fight them. and no he wasn't Russian or a communist but was prepared to give his life for the freedom you have now.


I'd be just as proud Joe :xxgrinning--00xx3:

The point Simon is making, whether good or bad, our parents have a resounding influence in our formative years. No one chooses to be gay :NoNo: You made a bit of a booboo there, Joe:NoNo:

[joebloggs]

The point Simon is making, whether good or bad, our parents have a resounding influence in our formative years. No one chooses to be gay :NoNo: You made a bit of a booboo there, Joe :NoNo:

of course were all products of our upbringing and surroundings, but in the end you follow your own path. just as i chose to be a vegetarian no one forced it on me as i don't force my beliefs on my kids :doh

still none of you have posted any evidence that they have the same beliefs as him, i went to a church of England school, my father was catholic and my mother was a Jehovah witness , she forced me to go, hey gWapito what religion am i ?

answers your question, you can lead a camel to water but a pencil must be lead :biggrin:

don't blame your parents for the way you've turned out :NoNo:

[gWaPito]

Still, none of you have posted any evidence that they have the same beliefs as him

Joe, you need to refresh your memory of the meaning of 'moral'

The Labour leader has made extensive references of love and respect for his late father and the influence he had on his moral outlook.

Surely there's enough dots here for you to join together? :biggrin::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[bigmarco]

I'm grateful to my mother and father for my moral outlook on life. But I don't share their political outlook.

Are people seriously suggesting that Ed Milliband is a Marxist :crazy:

[Arthur Little]

Are people seriously suggesting that Ed Milliband is a Marxist :crazy:

Anything but, Marco ... :anerikke: ... looks more like a "BIG Jessie"! :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

:xxgrinning--00xx3::icon_lol:

[London_Manila]

The thread's run it's course time for http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/forum/smileyvault-locked2.gif

Off you go with your tail between your legs :wink:

Defending a newspaper who attacks peoples dead fathers was never going to last that long

[London_Manila]

I'd recommend the Daily Mail Android App - it's very good

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/article-2040059/Its-Android-app-youve-waiting--Try-FREE.html

I will stick with some unbiased reporting the BBC App is great and free :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

Joe, you need to refresh your memory of the meaning of 'moral'

The Labour leader has made extensive references of love and respect for his late father and the influence he had on his moral outlook.

Surely there's enough dots here for you to join together? :biggrin::xxgrinning--00xx3:

give me some dots to join up, where have any of the brothers said they agree with their fathers Marxist views, come on Gwapito, just one bit of evidence ,, i'm waiting :biggrin:

your adding one dot and another dot and getting 3 :doh

[joebloggs]

I will stick with some unbiased reporting the BBC App is great and free :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:icon_lol:
dedworth are you on commission from the daily mail , I'll ask scouser Keith to replace their name with 'Tory Rag' :biggrin:

[gWaPito]

give me some dots to join up, where have any of the brothers said they agree with their fathers Marxist views, come on Gwapito, just one bit of evidence ,, i'm waiting :biggrin:

your adding one dot and another dot and getting 3 :doh

You'll have to bear with me, I'm still looking..I need to sleep now..give me a couple of days :biggrin::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

You'll have to bear with me, I'm still looking..I need to sleep now..give me a couple of days :biggrin::xxgrinning--00xx3:

as long as it's not a life time :biggrin:, i cant wait that long :cwm24:

i'll take any offers from dedworth or any other thatcherite :biggrin:

[fred]

There was a program on BBC about a year ago where school leavers were offered jobs and they had to prove themselves initially.
What shocked me was the attitude of most of the kids - they just couldnt be bothered. I know thats not a large enough "sample" but it opened my eyes to the types of sillyness that exists in a group of people that seem to want everything on a plate..

I also think the schools really need to think about the skills of tomorrow - in my industry (IT Security) there is a shortage of people - there are loads of jobs in my sector, I believe I get 2 calls a week from headhunters asking if I'm looking or know anyone suitable..
I'm glad my son (just finished he GCSE's) seems to have his head screwed on but lots of his friends didnt get the required grades to stay in his 6th form and he now calls them losers because they had the chance but decided to doss rather then graft. My son only got this attitude a year ago and had to turn around his studies big time and he did. I was really pleased.

Personally with the way this country is going we need to see youngsters do something otherwise some of us will be supporting our kids well into their 20's...

Going back to this party or that party - if Labour come back into power things wont change... and I think we'll have to really tighten our belts even more... somehoe I cant see millipede as a PM.


I agree with most of that..
If these kids leave school and are not employable,why not pay them Benefits and give them something to do?
In the old days they called it "National service" ..
Apart from learning discipline and respect they could also learn about things like Engineering, Carpentry,Electronics,General labouring and Marching UP and DOWN the SQUARE!!

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQnwxwdaC2J_s-lZGXIapxPgtRyRTrsx_uhfKE-3wnMw4qYNfFw

[joebloggs]

failure of governments and schools to prepare kids for the real world, your going from being in a controlled environment for at least 12yrs then to either going to college or looking for a job, and for some of those 'jobseekers' reality will soon hit them that things will not be as easy as they thought :NoNo:

maybe for the last 6 months of schooling they should be found work experience placements and how to apply for jobs, interview skills etc or help finding college courses etc.

[SimonH]

failure of governments and schools to prepare kids for the real world, your going from being in a controlled environment for at least 12yrs then to either going to college or looking for a job, and for some of those 'jobseekers' reality will soon hit them that things will not be as easy as they thought :NoNo:

maybe for the last 6 months of schooling they should be found work experience placements and how to apply for jobs, interview skills etc or help finding college courses etc.

The one thing we all have in common here is some sort of connection to the Philippines, but we don't have a Filipino perspective on it :Erm:
I'd like to hear what the main difference is that makes the Philippines one of the worlds most prolific exporter of labour, whereas here we seem to be getting a worldwide reputation as being a bit of an easy touch when it comes to benefits.

[grahamw48]

failure of governments and schools to prepare kids for the real world, your going from being in a controlled environment for at least 12yrs then to either going to college or looking for a job, and for some of those 'jobseekers' reality will soon hit them that things will not be as easy as they thought :NoNo:

maybe for the last 6 months of schooling they should be found work experience placements and how to apply for jobs, interview skills etc or help finding college courses etc.

A lot of schools already do that Joe....certainly my son's school did.

Very half-hearted effort though.

Don't forget that most people involved in education/teaching, have never had a REAL job either. :NoNo:

[grahamw48]

I agree with most of that..
If these kids leave school and are not employable,why not pay them Benefits and give them something to do?
In the old days they called it "National service" ..
Apart from learning discipline and respect they could also learn about things like Engineering, Carpentry,Electronics,General labouring and Marching UP and DOWN the SQUARE!!



I totally agree Fred, but of course these days it would be considered 'un-pc', against human rights, etc etc. :anerikke:

[Dedworth]

Off you go with your tail between your legs :wink:

Defending a newspaper who attacks peoples dead fathers was never going to last that long

An incorrect supposition - I started a new thread

[joebloggs]

An incorrect supposition - I started a new thread

are you going to attack Hitchens for being a Marxist dedworth :cwm25:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-omxs1XAS0

:biggrin:

[Dedworth]

are you going to attack Hitchens for being a Marxist dedworth :cwm25:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-omxs1XAS0

:biggrin:

No I'm more interested in the antics of the arch hypocrite champagne socialist Millipede.

This is actually quite good - the slug who attacked the Mail on Question Time wanted to work for the paper a couple of years ago :biggrin:

What a difference three years makes: How political journalist who attacked the Daily Mail on Question Time once asked if he could write for the paper

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2444637/Mehdi-Hasan-journalist-attacked-Daily-Mail-Question-Time-asked-write-paper.html#ixzz2gyUAxfJE

He's a nasty piece of work - typical BBC left wing muslim question time stooge. He was also paid by the Mail on Sunday when they serialised his book about Millipede :laugher: