The Guardian - A Treasonous "Newspaper"

[Dedworth]

PM backs spy chief's attack on Guardian: Security expert warned leaks risk 'widespread loss of life' but BBC buries criticism of Left-wing paper

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2451540/David-Cameron-backs-spy-chiefs-attack-Guardian-BBC-buries-criticism-Left-wing-paper.html#ixzz2hGt2H1ZF

This rag should be shutdown and the Editor jailed :cwm23:

[joebloggs]

:icon_lol: dedworth is that 'loss of life' or 'loss of face' for the gov :cwm25:

don't you think the British people have a right to know they've been spied on ? look at Prism and GCHQ with suggestions they were by-passing British laws :mad:

if they have, they should be the ones who are going to court :doh

talk about 1984 George Orwell :doh

[Dedworth]

:icon_lol: dedworth is that 'loss of life' or 'loss of face' for the gov :cwm25:

don't you think the British people have a right to know they've been spied on ? look at Prism and GCHQ with suggestions they were by-passing British laws :mad:

if they have, they should be the ones who are going to court :doh

talk about 1984 George Orwell :doh

The Guardian and their leftist allies at the BBC have little regard for British lives

[grahamw48]

Some of their people need locking up.

Shut it down....a threat to our country. Bloody fools. :mad:

[joebloggs]

what lives, who's dead :cwm25:
threat from where ? you mean spying on us :cwm25:

its egg on the face of the gov, all the dirty tricks and spying on its citizens :NoNo:

i believe for once being in the EU might put a stop to this :wink:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9186419/Surveillance-plans-could-breach-EU-laws-expert-claims.html

[Dedworth]

what lives, who's dead :cwm25:
threat from where ?

Do you think even more tips and hints should be divulged to the terrorists ?

[joebloggs]

what hints and tips :cwm25: what tips will they get from spying on your emails, texts and calls dedworth ?

[Dedworth]

what hints and tips :cwm25: what tips will they get from spying on your emails, texts and calls dedworth ?

That's your selective take on the issue Joe - they get plenty of info and assistance from the publication of classified intelligence docs by the Guardian plus of course monitoring the germs emails, texts and calls

[SimonH]

The only people who should be worried about being 'spied' on are the one's with something to hide. I really couldn't give a :censored: if my emails are monitored.
Have a read of this and tell me if you would rather they didn't gather intelligence in anyway they see fit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21878867

[joebloggs]

so its ok for the gov to break the law :doh

http://www.itpro.co.uk/public-sector/20742/privacy-groups-raise-%C2%A320k-surveillance-legal-case-against-uk-government

a comment from a reader

Private Email should have the same status as Royal Mail when it comes to privacy, at least as regards governments. It is a major offense to mess with the Royal Mail.

[grahamw48]

Exactly right Simon.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

The 'secret' services can do with all the help thay can get though, and stupid :censored: like selfish, greedy, and ambitious journalists and editors need punishing when their actions threaten the security of US and our country. :mad:

[joebloggs]

The only people who should be worried about being 'spied' on are the one's with something to hide. I really couldn't give a :censored: if my emails are monitored.
Have a read of this and tell me if you would rather they didn't gather intelligence in anyway they see fit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21878867

dedworth keeps telling me the BBC is biased :doh:icon_lol:

[joebloggs]

Exactly right Simon.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

The 'secret' services can do with all the help thay can get though, and stupid :censored: like selfish, greedy, and ambitious journalists and editors need punishing when their actions threaten the security of US and our country. :mad:

what about your rights Graham, your right to privacy or don't you want any :biggrin:

would you be happy if someone working for the gov started opening all your post etc :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

what about your rights Graham, your right to privacy or don't you want any :biggrin:

would you be happy if someone working for the gov started opening all your post etc :biggrin:

Joe, my life is an open book....nothing to hide.

If they do find out about my secret hoard of Jelly Tots and HotCar magazines, I will fess up and take my medicine. :cwm3:

[SimonH]

so its ok for the gov to break the law :doh

http://www.itpro.co.uk/public-sector/20742/privacy-groups-raise-%C2%A320k-surveillance-legal-case-against-uk-government

a comment from a reader

Private Email should have the same status as Royal Mail when it comes to privacy, at least as regards governments. I is a major offense to mess with the Royal Mail.


If the government suspect me or anyone else of breaking the law or planning to jeopardize
anyone else's life then I fully expect them to read my electronic mail as well as my personal mail.
Or are you saying that you've suddenly discovered a loop hole in the law and I can claim it's against my human rights when my mate Pablo posts me a kilo of coke and some sneaky government official intercepts it :Erm:

[Dedworth]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/img/cartoons/mac/2013/10/10102013.jpg

[joebloggs]

you've still not answered my question is it ok for the gov to break the law ? no one is above the law :NoNo:

[grahamw48]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Of course our security services are given some dispensation, where certain laws are concerned.

It would be ridiculous if they weren't...just as you'd be pretty peed off if the ambulance sent to save the life of one of your loved ones was obliged ALWAYS to stop at every red traffic light.

I for one will not defend ANY 5th columnists...such as the treasonous meddling fools employed by some of our media. :mad:

I WILL back to the hilt those people who are employed to guard our nation's security.

[SimonH]

you've still not answered my question is it ok for the gov to break the law ? no one is above the law :NoNo:

What law in particular are you talking about :Erm:

[fred]

what lives, who's dead :cwm25:
threat from where ? you mean spying on us :cwm25:

its egg on the face of the gov, all the dirty tricks and spying on its citizens :NoNo:

i believe for once being in the EU might put a stop to this :wink:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9186419/Surveillance-plans-could-breach-EU-laws-expert-claims.html

I think Im with you on this one Joe..
Its the reason that I dont post pictures of me or my family anywhere on the internet..
I also use a pseudonym and a VPN and I doubt my IP can be traced as I don't have a proper ISP.
Im not a criminal and I have nothing to hide but my life is private and I`ll do all I can to protect that.
The very thought of a Government nerd spying on me is not something I would personally tolerate if it came to my attention.
I`d be ....... angry.

[joebloggs]

What law in particular are you talking about :Erm:

Civil rights groups have filed papers arguing that the use of Prism, an internet surveillance scheme which whistleblower Edward Snowden revealed had been tapping private online communications since 2007, breaches the right to privacy found in the European Convention on Human Rights.

so spying on us all didn't prevent the 7th july 2005 attacks :doh

[joebloggs]

I think Im with you on this one Joe..
Its the reason that I dont post pictures of me or my family anywhere on the internet..
I also use a pseudonym and a VPN and I doubt my IP can be traced as I don't have a proper ISP.
Im not a criminal and I have nothing to hide but my life is private and I`ll do all I can to protect that.
The very thought of a Government nerd spying on me is not something I would personally tolerate if it came to my attention.
I`d be ....... angry.

Fred I've been on forums where people have fallen out over comments made and its ended in threats of psychical violence against them and their family, from their IP address , and information from their previous posts they found\worked out their real name and address :NoNo:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/texas-teen-jailed-after-league-of-legends-argument/1100-6410871/

just recently i recall someone being refused entry to America because of something they posted on Facebook :doh

[gWaPito]

so spying on us all didn't prevent the 7th july 2005 attacks :doh

I expect the bombers used pseudonyms and a VPN and I doubt their IP can be traced as I suspect they don't have a proper ISP :cwm25:

[SimonH]

I expect the bombers used pseudonyms and a VPN and I doubt their IP can be traced as I suspect they don't have a proper ISP :cwm25:

:laugher::laugher::laugher: Maybe Abdul the terrorist also changed his name to a non suspicious one like Fred :wink:

[joebloggs]

I expect the bombers used pseudonyms and a VPN and I doubt their IP can be traced as I suspect they don't have a proper ISP :cwm25:

well no point in spying on people when :doh

[SimonH]

Civil rights groups have filed papers arguing that the use of Prism, an internet surveillance scheme which whistleblower Edward Snowden revealed had been tapping private online communications since 2007, breaches the right to privacy found in the European Convention on Human Rights.

so spying on us all didn't prevent the 7th july 2005 attacks :doh

:Erm: That was 8 years ago, believe me I remember it very well as another bomb was found abandoned less than 50 feet from my desk in London :yikes:

I'm sure we've all learnt a lot in the last 8 years, but people always remember the bad days, not a week ago last Thursday when there were no bomb threats, I wonder why :Erm:

Once more:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21878867

[Dedworth]

Joe - next time you find yourself under surveillance, your emails and texts being read or your mobile listened to file a complaint with this body :-

http://www.ipt-uk.com/

Welcome to the Investigatory Powers Tribunal (IPT) website. The IPT exists to investigate complaints about the potential conduct of various public bodies, in relation to you, your property or communications.
This site explains the functions, structure and jurisdiction of the Tribunal and provides contact details should you need further information or wish to make a complaint.
The IPT was established in October 2000, as a result of the enactment of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA, 2000). The IPT can consider complaints about the use of a number of intrusive powers used by intelligence services, law enforcement agencies and public authorities.

[joebloggs]

what powers do they have ? looks like none :Erm:

PRISM: Germany demands UK reveals extent of GCHQ spying agenda

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2277516/prism-germany-demands-uk-reveals-extent-of-gchq-spying-agenda#disqus_thread

[Dedworth]

what powers do they have ? looks like none :Erm:



It's a secret :wink:

I'm fully behind our intelligence services using whatever means to protect us. We're not dealing with the old style Irish, Arab etc 20th century terrorists now so the methods of intelligence gathering needs to keep pace with all the online, wireless and mobile methods of communication. Many of these grubs were born in the UK and it takes massive effort and resources to root them out.

[SimonH]

what powers do they have ? looks like none :Erm:


“In theory Britain's intelligence agencies are subject to UK law and accountable to parliament. However, as the PRISM controversy has exposed, there is nothing to stop GCHQ from handing over our personal information to US security services so they can pick through it at will,”

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2277516/prism-germany-demands-uk-reveals-extent-of-gchq-spying-agenda#disqus_thread


What's that second word you've highlighted in bold mean again :Erm:

[grahamw48]

The latest ? :doh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24515154

[joebloggs]

What's that second word you've highlighted in bold mean again :Erm:

of course they are subject to British And European law, as the gov will soon find out :biggrin:

NO ONE is above the law - you should know your British history - Oliver Cromwell - that all people are equal under the law, and that no one (even a king) is above the law.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[SimonH]

of course they are subject to British And European law, as the gov will soon find out :biggrin:



Can you also tell me the result of the 3.30 at Ascot this afternoon, or maybe this weeks winning lottery numbers :Erm:

[gWaPito]

of course they are subject to British And European law, as the gov will soon find out :biggrin:

NO ONE is above the law - you should know your British history - Oliver Cromwell - that all people are equal under the law, and that no one (even a king) is above the law.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Times have changed a touch since our Oilly was in charge:cwm25:

I know a few cops who are above it, not to mention a number of MPs:NoNo:

Still waiting here for this week's lottery numbers:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

why don't you do your duty as a citizen and report them bad apples gWaPito, no your wrong they might think they are but sooner or later the long arm of the law will catch up with them :biggrin:

oh my predictions are based on facts, there is the court case i mentioned and the EU parliament is set to vote on amendments to data protection law this month :biggrin:

Angela Merkel and Viviane Reding, Europe's most senior justice official have both in recent weeks cited government and corporate collection of personal data in calls for a swift conclusion to data protection negotiations.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/aug/12/europe-data-protection-directive-eu

[SimonH]

Angela Merkel :Erm: Angela Merkel :cwm25: now why does that name ring a bell :Erm:

Oh yeah, is that that same Angela Merkel who holds the title of German Chancellor, the same Germany that doesn't have a minimum wage :cwm25:

[joebloggs]

Angela Merkel :Erm: Angela Merkel :cwm25: now why does that name ring a bell :Erm:

Oh yeah, is that that same Angela Merkel who holds the title of German Chancellor, the same Germany that doesn't have a minimum wage :cwm25:

whats that got to do with data privacy :doh
she might be the German Chancellor but also the most powerful woman in the world and the backbone of the EU:doh she will get her way :biggrin:

[SimonH]

whats that got to do with data privacy :doh
she might be the German Chancellor but also the most powerful woman in the world and the backbone of the EU:doh she will get her way :biggrin:

Glad we agree for once, get rid of the minimum wage, make the lazy gits work for a living :biggrin:

[gWaPito]

Glad we agree for once, get rid of the minimum wage, make the lazy gits work for a living :biggrin:

Exactly Simon:biggrin:

I deserved rep on it's way:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

Glad we agree for once, get rid of the minimum wage, make the lazy gits work for a living :biggrin:

what lazy gits, Chief execs :Erm:

[SimonH]

what lazy gits, Chief execs :Erm:

Don't know any chief execs earning that little, come to think of it I don't know of any Labour Councillors earning that little either :wink:

[joebloggs]

Don't know any chief execs earning that little, come to think of it I don't know of any Labour Councillors earning that little either :wink:

do you know any labour Councillors at all :doh

i suppose "I'm alright Jack" people like yourself would have other people working for nothing :biggrin: pitty for you the minimum wage is the law :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[SimonH]

do you know any labour Councillors at all :doh

:

No I don't :yikes: None of that sort round this way :cwm25: Did have Theresa May pop down the local a few months back for a charity event we put on, does that count :Erm:

[Terpe]

German voters want minimum wage on politics agenda


Source:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24121170

See also:-
German SPD tells Merkel no deal without minimum wage (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/10/13/uk-germany-coalition-idUKBRE99C03S20131013)

Angela Merkel may bend on minimum wage (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e0ab43f4-2775-11e3-8feb-00144feab7de.html#axzz2hhlj1ynb)

[SimonH]

she might be the German Chancellor but also the most powerful woman in the world and the backbone of the EU:doh she will get her way :biggrin:

:Erm: but there again she may not :icon_lol:

[Dedworth]

The latest ? :doh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24515154


No surprise that it's the usual suspects :-

Two men, both aged 25, were arrested in a car in Mansell Street, Whitechapel, east London, after police fired "Hatton rounds" - ammunition designed to blow out tyres and blow open doors with minimal collateral damage. One was a British national of Turkish origin and the second was a British national of Algerian origin, police said.

A 28-year-old British national of Azerbaijani origin was arrested at premises in Westbourne Grove, Bayswater, west London, and the fourth man, a British national of Pakistani origin, aged 29, was arrested in Peckham Hill Street, Peckham, south-east London.

[grahamw48]

'British nationals' . :NoNo:

[Dedworth]

'British nationals' . :NoNo:

Stomach churning

[joebloggs]

whats the chances they will not face any charges :cwm25:

[gWaPito]

No surprise that it's the usual suspects :-

Two men, both aged 25, were arrested in a car in Mansell Street, Whitechapel, east London, after police fired "Hatton rounds" - ammunition designed to blow out tyres and blow open doors with minimal collateral damage. One was a British national of Turkish origin and the second was a British national of Algerian origin, police said.

A 28-year-old British national of Azerbaijani origin was arrested at premises in Westbourne Grove, Bayswater, west London, and the fourth man, a British national of Pakistani origin, aged 29, was arrested in Peckham Hill Street, Peckham, south-east London.
These scum should be stripped of their British citizenship thus sent back to the hovel whence they came

[grahamw48]

No chance in this pathetic country of ours...rapidly being turned into a cesspit. :NoNo:

Tragic.

[tone]

I just wish it was a little more like Singapore here (just a bit) where people just dont break the law so much because they know they will be chucked out..
It comes back to that piece of law that governs us from the bloody EU..

[grahamw48]

Very true. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

I just wish it was a little more like Singapore here (just a bit) where people just dont break the law so much because they know they will be chucked out..
It comes back to that piece of law that governs us from the bloody EU..

It should be more (than just a bit :smile:) like Singapore here - for years they have recognised the deterrent effects of caning and executing the scum

[Dedworth]

A development on this 20/02/2014 :-

Holding Guardian man at airport WAS lawful, judges rule: High court says Snowden secrets put lives at risk

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2563046/Stealing-GCHQ-secrets-did-British-spies-families-risk-judge-rules-High-Court-rejects-claim-boyfriend-Snowdon-journalist-detained-unlawfully.html#ixzz2tqg5s8KA

[grahamw48]

Yes indeed...good news.

These meddling do-gooders need sorting out at every opportunity, and punished, not rewarded. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

Yes indeed...good news.

These meddling do-gooders need sorting out at every opportunity, and punished, not rewarded. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Treason = Rope :mad:

[les_taxi]

Just seen this discussion
Will jump in later!

[Dedworth]

Just seen this discussion
Will jump in later!

The old ones are always the best Les !

[les_taxi]

The way i look at is this.National security is paramount,we have to have it end of.
Anything that undermines it is wrong.
If everyone was a good guy there would be no need and we would all live in fluffy marshmallow happy land:smile:
Unfortunately there are some right .......s out there,determined to force their way of life on us and do us harm.

I'm not just talking about Islamic Extremists,I'm including drug dealers,money launderers etc
Now they are not going to stand in line and put their hands up and say "It's Us":doh

So we have to monitor people all the time to try to prevent it,it has stopped many an Atrocity I'm sure-not all but any is an improvement.
These Daft buggers who cry your infringing our human rights blah blah get on my tits.

If reqd to make this world a safer place then Everyone should be subject to being checked up on at some stage-Why not?
If you have nothing to hide why on earth are you bothered:Erm:

If Stupid reporting gives our adversaries and advantage and this leads to troops,civilians etc being harmed then punish the paper for putting us all at risk.
How about this scenario Joe, Mohummid Bombalot lives round the back of you and decides to blow up the No7 bus you and your family are on-would you rather he be checked upon and links found to Pakistani training camps exposed,arrested and jailed before he can commit the act,or would you just say nah national security not important.

Equally while he was training,our troops were just about to find him but a newspaper divulged some classified information which meant the plan to take him out by our boys was cancelled?

[grahamw48]

I agree.

Keep the rubbish out too.

They should also exclude all those Syrians from coming back here after killing people in their cluster:censored: of a 'home' country. They can stay there if it's so important to them.

Far too many lowlifes and extremists in possession of British passports. :NoNo:

[Arthur Little]

Far too many lowlifes and extremists in possession of British passports. :NoNo:

Don't know WHY that should be ... because, to obtain a British Passport, foreign nationals must first and foremost hold British *Citizenship.

... :yeahthat: But, to qualify for naturalisation, ALL applicants must confirm - and sign a declaration to the effect that they have NEVER, at any time, engaged in ANY terrorist (or other unlawful) activities likely to lead the Home Office to deny them the *said privilege.

[grahamw48]

Arthur, this country is now run from the EU I'm afraid.

They're probably happy to see the UK used as a holding tank for every terrorist slimeball and other assorted disgruntled troublemakers and undesirables. :NoNo:

[Dedworth]

The Guardian and BBC won't be happy about this :-

GCHQ given all clear over Edward Snowden allegations by watchdog

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10752205/GCHQ-given-all-clear-over-Edward-Snowden-allegations-by-watchdog.html

[joebloggs]

don't believe a word of it dedworth, is the 500,000 they admit to not a mass number ?


http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2338780/police-and-intelligence-agencies-overusing-data-request-powers

[grahamw48]

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear. :anerikke:

[les_taxi]

Still don't know what some of you are bothered about :Erm:

If you have done nothing wrong you're fine, if you planning something nasty and it enables you to get nicked good :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Everyone can be traced through an ip proxy or not :biggrin:

I put it to you if I was a nutter and wanted to blow your family up, but through being checked out it prevented me doing so you would praise the system :doh

[joebloggs]

Still don't know what some of you are bothered about :Erm:



you think there are 500,000 (thats the number they are admitting to ) nutters in the UK wanting to blow your family up :cwm25:

its about abuse, privacy and peoples rights :doh

[les_taxi]

you think there are 500,000 (thats the number they are admitting to ) nutters in the UK wanting to blow your family up :cwm25:

its about abuse, privacy and peoples rights :doh


I put it to you if I was a nutter and wanted to blow your family up, but through being checked out it prevented me doing so you would praise the system
Answer this one instead of avoiding it

[Dedworth]

If you've not done or are conspiring to do anything wrong there's nothing to be concerned about. Graham & Les are correct.

In todays paper -

Ministers have been handed ‘conclusive evidence’ of how leaks by surveillance whistleblower Edward Snowden damaged national security.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2601977/We-conclusive-evidence-Edward-Snowden-leaks-hurt-UK-national-security-say-spy-chiefs.html#ixzz2yYimCoFd

The Editor of the Guardian should be charged and put before a court

[grahamw48]

Exactly.

It's misguided idiots like Snowden and his supporters who are putting all of us in danger.

He needs to go and find some useful employment.

[gWaPito]

Like picking up litter on the sides of our roads :cwm23:

[les_taxi]

If it saves just one persons life is it not worth it?

[joebloggs]

If it saves just one persons life is it not worth it?

500,000 requests to spy on people, so you think there are 500,000 people who want to blow you up in the uk?

would banning taxi's off the road les save at least one life les :cwm25:

[les_taxi]

would banning taxi's off the road les save at least one life les
I'm booking you in to nutty clinic Joe :doh

[joebloggs]

I'm booking you in to nutty clinic Joe:doh

:icon_lol: you don't think your own personal privacy is a problem les ?

wanna play a game then :wink:

[les_taxi]

Nope it's not a problem at all. I have multiple checks done on me anyway for my crb.

[gWaPito]

If you got nothing to hide, it shouldn't be a problem to anyone.

[les_taxi]

Joe is worried that they might find his stash of busted and mcfly cds and video's!

[joebloggs]

treason :laugher:


:xxgrinning--00xx3: time to end to the cover ups and lies


Guardian and Washington Post win Pulitzer prize for NSA revelations



read more here .. http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/apr/14/guardian-washington-post-pulitzer-nsa-revelations

[Jamesey]

treason :laugher:


:xxgrinning--00xx3: time to end to the cover ups and lies



read more here .. http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/apr/14/guardian-washington-post-pulitzer-nsa-revelations

:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

treason :laugher:


:xxgrinning--00xx3: time to end to the cover ups and lies



read more here .. http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/apr/14/guardian-washington-post-pulitzer-nsa-revelations

No wonder China is taking over as top dog and Russia is sticking up two fingers to NATO, if that's what prizes are being given for now. :NoNo:

[joebloggs]

No wonder China is taking over as top dog and Russia is sticking up two fingers to NATO, if that's what prizes are being given for now. :NoNo:

the Russians are sticking 2 fingers up because of the gutless European govs are worried about them cutting the gas off :doh

as for Nato, i doubt the Russians would ever invade a Nato member, Russia is only half what it used to be no matter what little muscles they try to flex :wink: