World's Busiest Maternity Hospital - in Manila.

[Doc Alan]

On BBC2 tonight ( Thursday 31 October ) the “ contrasting fortunes of the people of Manila … are told through the lives of three women in this documentary … about a public hospital ( Dr. Jose Fabella Memorial Hospital, Santa Cruz ) where 24,000 children are born every year “. That’s 1/5 of ALL births in Metro Manila ; and 3% of UK births ( over 800,000/ year ) :yikes: !


Reproductive Health Law ? As we all know, its implementation was delayed by the Philippines Supreme Court in March of this year :doh !

[joebloggs]

one midwife thinks shes delivered 200,000 babies :cwm24:

i posted about this last week, but thanks for reminding me its on tonight :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Doc Alan]

one midwife thinks shes delivered 200,000 babies :cwm24:

i posted about this last week, but thanks for reminding me its on tonight :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Sorry Joebloggs, I missed your post :smile:.

[joebloggs]

its ok doc alan, it was about 'no sex please we're Japanese'

http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/49404-This-World-No-Sex-Please-We-re-Japanese

[SimonH]

one midwife thinks shes delivered 200,000 babies :cwm24:

i posted about this last week, but thanks for reminding me its on tonight :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:laugher::laugher: Maybe she should have thought about that before opening her mouth :Erm:

If she worked 13 hour days, every day for 40 years and delivered 1 baby an hour that still wouldn't add up to 200000 :Erm:

[Michael Parnham]

189,000 it's near enough Simon, Will watch that tonight, thanks to both you and Doc! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

:laugher::laugher: Maybe she should have thought about that before opening her mouth :Erm:

If she worked 13 hour days, every day for 40 years and delivered 1 baby an hour that still wouldn't add up to 200000 :Erm:

she was asked and she made a guess, well seeing on some beds there are 4 or more women ready to give birth, maybe she can help deliver more than just 1 an hour :doh

[SimonH]

she was asked and she made a guess, well seeing on some beds there are 4 or more women ready to give birth, maybe she can help deliver more than just 1 an hour :doh

Why the :doh again Joe :Erm:

Even at a rate of 2 babies per hour she would have to work 13 hour days for over 21 years without ever taking a day off. Are you deliberately trolling or is it just my posts you have delight in arguing with :Erm:

[South-east boy]

I'll be watching it!

[Jamesey]

Should be very interesting. I'll be watching! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

So will my wife. She did part of her nursing training there.

[joebloggs]

:laugher::laugher: Maybe she should have thought about that before opening her mouth :Erm:

If she worked 13 hour days, every day for 40 years and delivered 1 baby an hour that still wouldn't add up to 200000 :Erm:


Why the :doh again Joe :Erm:

Even at a rate of 2 babies per hour she would have to work 13 hour days for over 21 years without ever taking a day off. Are you deliberately trolling or is it just my posts you have delight in arguing with :Erm:

your the one questioning her estimate :doh i think she would have a better idea of how many babes she delivered than you :doh


i think you'll find it's you who is arguing :doh

[Michael Parnham]

Maritess sister did her Midwifery course at that hospital! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

Maritess sister did her Midwifery course at that hospital! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

my misses worked there too delivering babies :biggrin:

[SimonH]

your the one questioning her estimate :doh i think she would have a better idea of how many babes she delivered than you :doh


i think you'll find it's you who is arguing :doh

There you go :doh:doh:doh:dohing again

I am questioning HER estimate, not your statement and am giving simple equations as to why I question HER. So you're telling us that you believe everything you read :NoNo: You seem to take great delight in questioning political statements, and as you say they have a much better idea of what they're doing than yourself :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Think about it Joe :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

Just finished watching it.

Most enjoyable...and quite moving. :bigcry:

[bigmarco]

The lady's first answer was she didn't know how many she delivered. The interviewer then pushed her and she just said 200,000. Shall we just agree that over her 28 years she's delivered loads of babies and done a great job.

Very good programme and delighted that the young girl got her job at the end :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Jamesey]

What an excellent programme! A truly fascinating and moving insight.

Next week's programme looks like it will be just as interesting. IMHO, this series is ESSENTIAL viewing. More top quality programming from the BBC. :xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[cheekee]

Really enjoyed watching this :smile:

[joebloggs]

There you go :doh:doh:doh:dohing again

I am questioning HER estimate, not your statement and am giving simple equations as to why I question HER. So you're telling us that you believe everything you read :NoNo: You seem to take great delight in questioning political statements, and as you say they have a much better idea of what they're doing than yourself :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Think about it Joe :biggrin:

what a good idea, think about it first, well you are the expert on the NHS (ambulance workshops and the state of the NHS)

so I'll ask you how many babies has she delivered then :Erm:

I'll help you out

my misses spent 2 months working in that hospital during her clerkship, she said she delivered about 15 babies a day, so it is possible that as a senior nurse could have delivered 25 babies a shift.

25 * 5 = 125 a week,
48 working wks a year = 6,000
6,000 * 28yrs = 168,000 after all its the world's busiest maternity hospital :biggrin:

as for trolling, your the only one who questioned her estimate, after all as Marco said she was pushed for a figure.



:laugher::laugher: Maybe she should have thought about that before opening her mouth :Erm:

If she worked 13 hour days, every day for 40 years and delivered 1 baby an hour that still wouldn't add up to 200000 :Erm:

:doh

[stevewool]

a very moving program, a tear of joy for the parents and the new job for the young lady too,
Such a vast difference to the people who it seems have everything OTHER THAN LOOKS , to the many who live on very little, just my thoughts , no harm meant

[joebloggs]

i've not watched all of it yet, so i don't know if the program mentioned stillborn babies :cwm24:, the rate in the Phils is 4* higher than the UK :NoNo:

[stevewool]

one of the many comments from Ems was why do they always seem to show the slums when there are beautiful places too,

[SimonH]

what a good idea, think about it first, well you are the expert on the NHS (ambulance workshops and the state of the NHS)

so I'll ask you how many babies has she delivered then :Erm:

I'll help you out

my misses spent 2 months working in that hospital during her clerkship, she said she delivered about 15 babies a day, so it is possible that as a senior nurse could have delivered 25 babies a shift.

25 * 5 = 125 a week,
48 working wks a year = 6,000
6,000 * 28yrs = 168,000 after all its the world's busiest maternity hospital :biggrin:

as for trolling, your the only one who questioned her estimate, after all as Marco said she was pushed for a figure.



:doh

:doh:doh:doh:doh Pointless discussing it with you isn't it Joe, because you always think you're right :Erm: Did your misses actually deliver 15 babies a day or did she assist in the delivery :Erm:

Tell me, how did you get your status as a moderator, when all you do is troll and antagonise :Erm:

Tell you what, why not try moderating for once and just concede that she may have exaggerated a bit, try to bear in mind that this debate over figures was being discussed before the programme was aired AND before any one of us knew she was being pushed for a figure.

[joebloggs]

well i thinks thats the image the media have here of the Philippines, thou there are a lot of slums, but as you've said there are many beautiful places but people move to find work.

have you been to the slums around manila bay ? :NoNo:

[Michael Parnham]

one of the many comments from Ems was why do they always seem to show the slums when there are beautiful places too,

Most of the people living in Tundo originate from various provinces throughout the Philippines because they believe that Manila streets are paved with gold, when in actual fact they are worse off than what they were in the province! :cwm25:

[joebloggs]

:doh:doh:doh:doh Pointless discussing it with you isn't Joe, because you always think you're right :Erm: Did your misses actually deliver 15 babies a day or did she assist in the delivery :Erm:
Tell me, how did you get your status as a moderator, when all you do is troll and antagonise :Erm:
Tell you what, why not try moderating for once and just concede that she may have exaggerated a bit, try to bear in mind that this debate over figures was being discussed before the programme was aired AND before anyone of us knew she was being pushed for a figure.

oh dear, you :laugher: at someone who was asked how many babies she had delivered, you should read what you posted :NoNo: you've no idea how many babies she has delivered but you had a good :laugher::laugher: at her :NoNo:

yes my misses did deliver 15 babies a day, you doubt what my misses tells me now :icon_lol: its part of clerkship in the phils

[stevewool]

Most of the people living in Tundo originate from various provinces throughout the Philippines because they believe that Manila streets are paved with gold, when in actual fact they are worse off than what they were in the province! :cwm25:

so true Michael, but can you blame them for moving there if that is the case

[stevewool]

oh dear, you :laugher: at someone who was asked how many babies she had delivered, you should read what you posted :NoNo: you've no idea how many babies she has delivered but you had a good :laugher::laugher: at her :NoNo:

yes my misses did deliver 15 babies a day, you doubt what my misses tells me now :icon_lol: its part of clerkship in the phils

you two should become a two man show, its brilliant, the new morecambe and wise, or hinge and bracket, so funny when you get together, or is it just me thinking that :icon_lol::icon_lol:

[SimonH]

oh dear, you :laugher: at someone who was asked how many babies she had delivered, you should read what you posted :NoNo: you've no idea how many babies she has delivered but you had a good :laugher::laugher: at her :NoNo:

yes my misses did deliver 15 babies a day, you doubt what my misses tells me now :icon_lol: its part of clerkship in the phils

:doh No, I broke her statement down into an equation, as in I doubted her figure, before it was stated that she was bullied into giving a guess.

You still avoid my very pertinent question about how you became a moderator when all you do is antagonise :Erm:

You are beginning to resemble the Vicky Pollard of this forum with all your "yeah but, no but" answers :icon_lol:

[raynaputi]

:doh No, I broke her statement down into an equation, as in I doubted her figure, before it was stated that she was bullied into giving a guess.

You still avoid my very pertinent question about how you became a moderator when all you do is antagonise :Erm:

You are beginning to resemble the Vicky Pollard of this forum with all your "yeah but, no but" answers :icon_lol:

Stop questioning why he became a moderator. It was the Admin's decision many years ago and Joe has been here in the forum for 7 years. If you have all your free time, go and search joe's posts for the past 7 years to know why he became a moderator.

[SimonH]

Stop questioning why he became a moderator. It was the Admin's decision many years ago and Joe has been here in the forum for 7 years. If you have all your free time, go and search joe's posts for the past 7 years to know why he became a moderator.

Am I as a member of this forum, am I not allowed to question those who have been here longer than me :Erm:

As an Admin's Assistant I would hazard a guess that you assist in the administration of the forum, and it's very much appreciated :xxgrinning--00xx3:

As a moderator of a forum, I would have guessed that the role would involve some sort of moderating forum members rather than antagonising them, hence the question
:Erm:

This isn't meant to be an argument, and I'm trying not to turn it into one, but it's beginning to feel like I'm the new boy who should keep his mouth shut and accept what the established members say without question :cwm25:

[raynaputi]

Am I as a member of this forum, am I not allowed to question those who have been here longer than me :Erm:

As an Admin's Assistant I would hazard a guess that you assist in the administration of the forum, and it's very much appreciated :xxgrinning--00xx3:

As a moderator of a forum, I would have guessed that the role would involve some sort of moderating forum members rather than antagonising them, hence the question
:Erm:

This isn't meant to be an argument, and I'm trying not to turn it into one, but it's beginning to feel like I'm the new boy who should keep his mouth shut and accept what the established members say without question :cwm25:

You don't know the work that moderators here do. That involves not just being in the forum but monitoring whatever is happening in the forum and helping the admin. Do you have time to monitor the spammers, new sign ups, etc.? Do you have time to approve moderated posts? Do you have time to delete inappropriate posts? Can you give appropriate advice to the members, especially the new ones, with regards to visas and such? Can you commit to be in the forum every single day and see to it that the forum is not dead? Now, if someone can commit to that job, then he/she can be a moderator. Remember, they don't get paid doing these things.

I don't think Joe has antagonised the members here. He is expressing his views. Just like everyone else. If you really want to know why he became a moderator, do as I told you. Read his posts from the start he became a member here. You would see why.

By the way, my husband, Win2win, is the owner of the forum. Hence I'm the assistant.

[joebloggs]

before it was stated that she was bullied into giving a guess.

You still avoid my very pertinent question about how you become a moderator when all you do is antagonise :Erm:
You are beginning to resemble the Vicky Pollard of this forum with all your "yeah but, no but" answers :icon_lol:

'bullied' now :laugher:

19,000 posts over 7yrs and helping a lot of people along the way :biggrin:

[SimonH]

You don't know the work that moderators here do. That involves not just being in the forum but monitoring whatever is happening in the forum and helping the admin. Do you have time to monitor the spammers, new sign ups, etc.? Do you have time to approve moderated posts? Do you have time to delete inappropriate posts? Can you give appropriate advice to the members, especially the new ones, with regards to visas and such? Can you commit to be in the forum every single day and see to it that the forum is not dead? Now, if someone can commit to that job, then he/she can be a moderator. Remember, they don't get paid doing these things.

I don't think Joe has antagonised the members here. He is expressing his views. Just like everyone else. If you really want to know why he became a moderator, do as I told you. Read his posts from the start he became a member here. You would see why.

By the way, my husband, Win2win, is the owner of the forum. Hence I'm the assistant.

I'm well aware of who the founder and his wife are, thank you :biggrin:

Maybe a more appropriate term for moderator as you've described it would be monitor, then I would get confused as to what the role was :xxgrinning--00xx3:

As far as reading Joe's posts from the beginning, that would be rather futile as I imagine a lot of those posts involve members no longer here, and therefore I wouldn't want to read anything out of context or misinterpret a response.

Thanks again for clarifying what the role of moderator is :smile:

[SimonH]

'bullied' now :laugher:

19,000 posts over 7yrs and helping a lot of people along the way :biggrin:

Again, no Joe :Erm: The nurse was bullied into giving a figure :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[raynaputi]

I watched this last night. This made me miss home more! Good thing we're going home soon. :Jump:

Anyway, Fabella hospital is just walking distance to where we live in Manila. Outside that hospital is a wet market (called Central Market) and lots and lots of kids there. My mum gave birth to my youngest brother in that hospital 25 years ago.

[grahamw48]

one of the many comments from Ems was why do they always seem to show the slums when there are beautiful places too,

I think it's just because of the shocking contrasts Steve. People need to be reminded...so maybe not a bad thing really. :smile:

[highlander01]

yeah - I watched it with fascination. Huge contrasts between Makati & Tondo. All respect for the woman who was working in Citibank and had dragged herself out of poverty. Really inspiring.

[SimonH]

'bullied' now :laugher:

19,000 posts over 7yrs and helping a lot of people along the way :biggrin:

No apology needed :wink:

[joebloggs]

Again, no Joe :Erm: The nurse was bullied into giving a figure :xxgrinning--00xx3:


bully1
ˈbʊli/
verb
past tense: bullied; past participle: bullied

1.
use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something.


:NoNo: why is it, with all the banter btw me, dedworth, Gwapito, Les none have ever complained about me as much as you have :Erm:

i dont agree with much of what they post, but we learn to get along..

[SimonH]

bully1
ˈbʊli/
verb
past tense: bullied; past participle: bullied

1.
use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something.


:NoNo: why is it, with all the banter btw me , dedworth, Gwapito, Les none have ever complained about me as much as you have :Erm:

i dont agree with much of what they post, but we learn to get along..


As per Marco's response in post 16 "The interviewer then pushed her and she just said 200,000." so this can be interpreted as being bullied :Erm:
The programme HAS (past tense) been aired, the interviewer DID push her (past tense), therefore she WAS pushed or bullied into giving an answer :biggrin:
At what point in your post number 33 did you get the impression that I had accused you of bullying :Erm:

[bigmarco]

As per Marco's response in post 16 "The interviewer then pushed her and she just said 200,000." so this can be interpreted as being bullied :Erm:
The programme HAS (past tense) been aired, the interviewer DID push her (past tense), therefore she WAS pushed or bullied into giving an answer :biggrin:
At what point in your post number 33 did you get the impression that I had accused you of bullying :Erm:

Perhaps you spend too much time over analysing posts. You have a tendency to reach for the Calculator or now the dictionary to prove somebody wrong. It was just a very interesting TV programme.
I wouldn't know Joe Bloggs if he walked past me in the street but I'm sure many others like me are offended at you questioning his suitability as a Moderator. Joe along with the other Moderators has helped a lot of people myself included on their difficult journey to be with their partners. You're fighting a losing battle on this front so I suuggest you give it up.

[SimonH]

Perhaps you spend too much time over analysing posts. You have a tendency to reach for the Calculator or now the dictionary to prove somebody wrong. It was just a very interesting TV programme.
I wouldn't know Joe Bloggs if he walked past me in the street but I'm sure many others like me are offended at you questioning his suitability as a Moderator. Joe along with the other Moderators has helped a lot of people myself included on their difficult journey to be with their partners. You're fighting a losing battle on this front so I suuggest you give it up.

Marco, at no point was any question of Joe's suitability or credibility questioned :smile: As Rayna kindly pointed out the role of a moderator, maybe I took the term too literally, which is why I said that maybe monitor would be a more apt description.

I took the calculator out to demonstrate the unfeasibility of the nurses claim and not to doubt any members quotes :smile:

Anyway, off to lunch now :xxgrinning--00xx3:

No offence was intended, and I hope none was taken :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

Again, no Joe :Erm: The nurse was bullied into giving a figure :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:laugher: did you watch the program ? well to refresh your memory here is the clip again.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OWPrZfOLyM

is that what you class as bullying :Erm:
:laugher:


Chief midwife Anna Prebus has delivered so many babies, she finds it impossible to remember how many she has brought into the world.

'I'm sorry but I can't remember [how many babies I've delivered],' she tells Rani. 'It's so many! Maybe 200,000. I've been here since 1986, almost 28 years.'

One in five of central Manila's mothers come here to deliver their babies, and midwives work day and night.

'Sometimes, during high season, 13 to 16 babies are in the delivery room at the same time,' Arlene Matanguihan, a resident doctor, said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2480170/Inside-worlds-busiest-maternity-ward-women-sleep-bed-100-babies-born-day.html#ixzz2jOrYNya6
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:biggrin:

[grahamw48]

I have just sent that link to my niece, on Facebook. She lives in Tondo and has just completed her midwife training. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Doc Alan]

This was indeed a very interesting programme, both realistic about the present and optimistic for the future :smile: !


Anita Rani told us that 1/5 mums from central Manila come to the Dr Jose Fabella Memorial Hospital ; 200 had registered by 10 am that day ; and it’s a “ 24 hour operation “ resulting in around 24,000 deliveries each year.


She told us about the “ hands on approach, with no sense of panic or chaos “ suggesting it was “ something in the psyche of Filipinas.


We were introduced to Rosalie, who already had 6 children, and no period since her LAST pregnancy. Because of increased risk of haemorrhage, and a shortage of blood for donation, relatives are encouraged to be present in case of the need for transfusion. Rosalie came from Tondo, the “ biggest slum “, home to half a million, which has developed around a rubbish dump. Rosalie earns 250 pesos for each gown she makes ; her husband ( a carpenter and mason ) earns around 380 pesos /day. The points were made that the poorest people – in Tondo, as elsewhere – tend to have the most children, and Manila is expected to grow in population by half in the next 40 years.


Even so, Anita told us, “ things are changing ; the economy has grown “.


We were then “ taken “ to Makati, and told that there are many thousands of businesses there now. The Maternity Unit of the private Makati Medical Center is “ state of the art “. A Caesarean Section “ might cost 140 – 150 thousand pesos “. Our second expectant Mum, Rose, typical of the increasing number of “ upper middle classes “ who can now afford it, was due to have her second ( and last ) baby by “ scheduled Caesarian Section “ ( we weren’t told the clinical reason ). Her husband is a banker. Their home for the past two years has been in the “ new Manila “. “ Most wealthier Filipinos “ limit themselves to 2 children.


We were told that there could potentially be an end to the “ population explosion “ if more suitable jobs could be available in the Philippines, further increasing the numbers of “ middle classes “ and perhaps decreasing the need for so many OFW’s. “ The Philippines is the Call Center capital of the world “ ( it’s overtaken India ), with “ half a million employed in this work “. Such Filipinos are “ patient; polite; well educated ( a priority according to a respected local businessman ); most having degrees; willing to work long hours; for lower pay than in the UK ( £ 300 – 400 / month ) “. Medical tourism and financial services also got a mention.


“ Population growth has slowed around the world, even in Tondo “ we were told. We were reminded that the Philippines is predominantly Catholic, contraception is not readily available, and expensive if it is.


The third lady, Jenalyn, was also from Tondo. She has 10 sibs and wants to “ break the lifestyle her mother has “. She was doing work experience / an “ internship “ for City Bank, and was desperate to find a job to fund studying and a better lifestyle before having a family. Thankfully she did get a permanent job with the bank, after very careful preparation !


By complete contrast, we were then “ taken “ to meet a female Plastic Surgeon, in one of her 9 private clinics. Anita chatted to an 18 year old Filipina who was to have laser treatment for “ under-arm whitening “. She was typical of an “ increasing number of younger Filipinos “ able to afford such treatment.


Apparently the “ average number “ of babies for each Filipina has fallen from 5 to 3 in the past 30 years. This reflects a trend elsewhere in the world.



Rosalie ( already with 6 kids ) was desperate to be delivered naturally, and not by Caesarian Section, because the cost of that would “ bankrupt the family “ … money being their “ biggest worry “. Thankfully it WAS a natural childbirth ! The boy did however have “ an uncertain future; born into poverty in a tough city; with no safety net “, although Anita added that “ there is hope now there WILL be a better life “. Indeed the programme ended on the optimistic note that “ after decades of stagnation and poverty, children born today COULD be as wealthy as Westerners :smile: ! “


There were omissions in the programme ( no mention of Reproductive Health Act ; or statistics such as the Philippines birth rate, at around 25/1000 population, twice that of the UK; infant mortality rate, around 18/1000 live births, over four times that of the UK; maternal mortality rate, at between 100 and over 200/100,000 live births, at least eight times that of the UK ; more than half of Philippine pregnancies are unintended; see also http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/39689-Health-of-mums-and-kids-Philippines-and-UK?highlight=reproductive+health
).


But these are minor points – there was a limit to how much could be shown in the available time. I only hope as many members as possible can see this programme :xxgrinning--00xx3:.


In the UK, over a quarter of deliveries are by Caesarian Section ( 15% emergency, 10% “ elective “ ). It’s based on clinical need / safety ( and mother’s wishes ). Cost doesn’t directly come into the equation ! I for one find it very hard to accept that necessary treatment for ANY condition ( free at the point of need in the UK ) may be unaffordable in the Philippines - with serious consequences :doh.


Having a notebook by the hospital bedside to write down complaints – as recently recommended in England – is an unfortunate sign of the times here.


How I also wish that others here in the UK appreciate their own NHS compared to the situation in countries such as the Philippines. This programme might have helped :xxgrinning--00xx3:!

[grahamw48]

Nice precis Doc.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Yes, hopefully those who take the NHS (and the welfare system) in this country for granted will pause for thought. :smile:

[bigmarco]

How I also wish that others here in the UK appreciate their own NHS compared to the situation in countries such as the Philippines. This programme might have helped :xxgrinning--00xx3:!

Well said Doc :xxgrinning--00xx3:
We managed to watch it with my youngest daughter and she was shocked at some of what she saw.
As you said it makes you appreciate what you have here.

[gWaPito]

I'll see if I can catch it on the BBC iplayer when I'm next off work :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

Nice precis Doc.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Yes, hopefully those who take the NHS (and the welfare system) in this country for granted will pause for thought. :smile:


Well said Doc :xxgrinning--00xx3:
We managed to watch it with my youngest daughter and she was shocked at some of what she saw.
As you said it makes you appreciate what you have here.

good post docAlan, we need to make sure the NHS stays the way it is and not let it be broken up or privatized thru the back door.:NoNo:

the worse day for my wife at this hospital was the day she had 3 stillborn babes in one shift :NoNo:

[Rosie1958]

I've only just seen this thread and therefore missed the programme. :bigcry: Will be watching it on BBC iplayer as soon as I can :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

I managed to escape work earlier tonight....So managed to watch the programme, in fact I watch it twice, it was that good :xxgrinning--00xx3:. For a change, it was a programme made in favour of the Philippines and rightly so...Well done the BBC :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I wholeheartedly agree with all what Doc Alan posted ( I've got to keep spreading the rep, sorry )....it seems as if the birth rate is adjusting itself without the assistance of the much needed health bill

[Rosie1958]

I really enjoyed watching this programme tonight on BBC iPlayer and thank you to Doc Alan who not only told us about it but has also provided a great summary! :xxgrinning--00xx3: I sponsor the education of a little girl living in Tondo and I can only hope that perhaps one day like Jenalyn she is able to hoist herself and her family out of the terrible living conditions there.

I was very surprised to see Makati Medical Centre in this programme, I spent two weeks there with my brother three years ago. Treatment is expensive but not all of the rooms are as good as that featured on the TV programme, they all have different price tags. I was even more surprised to see the plastic surgeon being interviewed and the designer/ signature shopping malls being featured too as I didn't understand at first how this tied in with the maternity hospital but I guess that the programme makers were trying to portray the growth of the economy.

I have seen a similar TV programme before in which 4 to 5 women are sharing one bed before and after giving birth. The whole operation and control in the first hospital featured in this programme in obviously difficult conditions is amazing.

This programme brings good news and hope for the future, especially the news that the birth rate is continuing to decline.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Hopefully more people in the UK have watched this programme and appreciate just how lucky we are to have the NHS.

[sars_notd_virus]

There were omissions in the programme ( no mention of Reproductive Health Act ; or statistics such as the Philippines birth rate, at around 25/1000 population, twice that of the UK; infant mortality rate, around 18/1000 live births, over four times that of the UK; maternal mortality rate, at between 100 and over 200/100,000 live births, at least eight times that of the UK ; more than half of Philippine pregnancies are unintended; see also http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/39689-Health-of-mums-and-kids-Philippines-and-UK?highlight=reproductive+health
).



Something else they failed to mention about the use of contraception ... that the church frowns upon it!! :cwm25:

[RickyR]

I'll be watching this on iPlayer tonight.

[grahamw48]

Something else they failed to mention about the use of contraception ... that the church frowns upon it!! :cwm25:

They did mention at one point that contraception was expensive/difficult to access, which is total rubbish.

The Catholic church have a lot to answer for as far as overpopulation and poverty are concerned.

Of course even in this country there are plenty who moan about how poor they are, but seem to have given no thought to the fact that perhaps waiting until they could AFFORD to have children might not have been a bad idea. :icon_rolleyes:

[Michael Parnham]

They did mention at one point that contraception was expensive/difficult to access, which is total rubbish.

The Catholic church have a lot to answer for as far as overpopulation and poverty are concerned.

Of course even in this country there are plenty who moan about how poor they are, but seem to have given no thought to the fact that perhaps waiting until they could AFFORD to have children might not have been a bad idea. :icon_rolleyes:

The Catholic church encourage people to have big families because they need future generations to keep giving money to the church, more babies more money!

[grahamw48]

Hmm....trying not to come down too hard on Catholicism, out of respect for the lady members on here in particular. :cwm25:

Being an atheist means I can also share the criticism around of course. :biggrin:

[SimonH]

Being an atheist means I can also share the criticism around of course. :biggrin:

Being an Agnostic, I can listen to it all :wink:

[grahamw48]

I can live without doubt. :biggrin:

[fred]

I`m still waiting for news about the RCC`s donations to the people of Loon and Maribojoc or anywhere in Bohol..
Probably has to go to Rome first and disbursed from there...One Day.

[gWaPito]

The Catholic church encourage people to have big families because they need future generations to keep giving money to the church, more babies more money!
I, for the life of me can't see what the church has to do with it...actually contraception was mentioned in the programme. ..It stated that it was unaffordable for the impoverished. ..The very people having these enormous families. ..you ask these big families why they have so many children. ..I'll bet you the reasons given will have nothing to do with the Catholic Church.

Any church frowns against divorce but folks nowadays in the west easily give in to it. .such is the ease of the process.:NoNo:

[RickyR]

Wow, what an inspiring documentary.

We have been into all of those places in Tondo and Smokey Mountain with a British Charity. You really don't get a sense of how desperate it is until you've been there.

[gWaPito]

Wow, what an inspiring documentary.

We have been into all of those places in Tondo and Smokey Mountain with a British Charity. You really don't get a sense of how desperate it is until you've been there.

certainly was Ricky. ..great to watch something positive coming out of The Philippines.

Good to see you're posting again :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Jamesey]

I, for the life of me can't see what the church has to do with it

The Catholic Church has EVERYTHING to do with this. The Philippine Government has tried to bring in a reproductive health bill that has been vehemently opposed by the Catholic Church.

Their attitude is disgraceful and is one of the main factors holding the back economic development in the Philippines.

[gWaPito]

The Catholic Church has EVERYTHING to do with this. The Philippine Government has tried to bring in a reproductive health bill that has been vehemently opposed by the Catholic Church.

Their attitude is disgraceful and is one of the main factors holding the back economic development in the Philippines.

Much like the church of England has everything to do with what goes on here :NoNo:
I think you'll find the reasons behind having big families is in the hope at least one of them can get them out the mess the previous generation found themselves born in. ..not to mention being cared for in later life. ..Unfortunately that's the crux of it.

You'll also find a lot of the girls don't like doing or taking any form of contraception. ..my wife's idea of contraception was to have no sexual intercourse at all. ..job done.

The Catholic Church may hold some power in Government but on the street. ..In my experience, the folks do as they please

[gWaPito]

Was it the church who said no to the Americas all those years ago when it could of been a country like it's modern neighbours by now. ...The church is being made a scapegoat

[steve monty]

Wow, what an inspiring documentary.

Agreed, we both thought it was a great programme, we watched it with my parents who have never been to the Philippines.

What was an eye opener for our parents was the extravagance at the private hospital where there was pearls and gold on the walls :NoNo: and the lady who was happy to show off her wealth and yet in Tondo people are living on a rubbish tip. We don't see those extremes here.

Glad to see that lady from Tondo managed to achieve her goal of getting a full time job at Citibank. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

We don't see those extremes here.


some people on here would like to thou :NoNo: but less than 18m months the pendulum will swing back :biggrin:

[SimonH]

:biggrin: Thanks for the negative rep, shame you didn't leave your name so I could thank you personally :icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

You too ? :laugher:

[SimonH]

You too ? :laugher:

More than one way of finding out which man did it Graham :wink: I won't stoop that low as to fire it back though :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

:biggrin: Thanks for the negative rep, shame you didn't leave your name so I could thank you personally :icon_lol:

what did you get that for

[Ako Si Jamie]

I missed this thread so ultimately I missed the programme. :doh:doh:doh:doh:doh

[Doc Alan]

I missed this thread so ultimately I missed the programme. :doh:doh:doh:doh:doh

# 46 summarises it to the best of my ability Jamie :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Ako Si Jamie]

It's on You Tube :xxgrinning--00xx3:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiyMPeJUFlM

[Doc Alan]

It's on You Tube :xxgrinning--00xx3:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiyMPeJUFlM

Well done Jamie, thanks for posting :xxgrinning--00xx3:.

[gWaPito]

:biggrin: Thanks for the negative rep, shame you didn't leave your name so I could thank you personally :icon_lol:

It wasn't me Simon :NoNo: Someone jus gave me a negative on this thread. ..something about 'rude remarks' Me rude, I've never heard of anything so ridiculous :icon_lol: