Doctors and nurses face full force of law for neglect, says Cameron

[Dedworth]

Doctors and nurses who wilfully neglect patients will "feel the full force of the law", David Cameron has pledged, as he announced criminal sanctions for NHS staff who mistreat people in their care.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10452953/Doctors-and-nurses-face-full-force-of-law-for-neglect-says-Cameron.html

:xxgrinning--00xx3: Good news - jail the blame dodgers

[andy222]

:cwm25: paying for the governments mistakes. Underfunded and understaffed.:xxgrinning--00xx3:.

[joebloggs]

i think doctors could already be prosecuted, it makes me :laugher: that the Tories can do this so quickly yet do nothing about protecting kids from being abused,

why not add social workers, teachers and police to the list and prosecute them for not taking action, surely some people are guilty of '“wilful or reckless neglect” in the case of Daniel Pelka :mad:

[Dedworth]

i think doctors could already be prosecuted, it makes me :laugher: that the Tories can do this so quickly yet do nothing about protecting kids from being abused,

why not add social workers, teachers and police to the list and prosecute them for not taking action, surely some people are guilty of '“wilful or reckless neglect” in the case of Daniel Pelka :mad:

The despicable events at Mid Staffs Hospital were going on 2005-8 so how about adding these grubs to your prosecution list Joe ?

John Reid
Patricia Hewitt
Alan Johnson
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
and for good measure deceitful scouser Andy Burnham

[sars_notd_virus]

Doctors and nurses who wilfully neglect patients will "feel the full force of the law", David Cameron has pledged, as he announced criminal sanctions for NHS staff who mistreat people in their care.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10452953/Doctors-and-nurses-face-full-force-of-law-for-neglect-says-Cameron.html



More doctors and nurses please and if they hire foreign doctors/nurses the General Medical Council should have a rigid test with their proficiency in English.

[Dedworth]

More doctors and nurses please and if they hire foreign doctors/nurses the General Medical Council should have a rigid test with their proficiency in English.


Shortage of 20,000 nurses in NHS, report warns
Patients are being left to suffer because of a shortage of 20,000 nurses, with one in 20 positions now unfilled, a Royal College of Nursing report has claimed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10441408/Shortage-of-20000-nurses-in-NHS-report-warns.html

Quite right and this can easily be done by bringing in 1000's of decent, hard working, law abiding, highly qualified immigrants from the Philippines :biggrin:

[Doc Alan]

No one could argue with criminal sanctions for doctors and nurses who ARE proved guilty of “ wilful or reckless neglect “ of patients.


These measures were recommended by Professor Don Berwick following the Mid Staff’s scandal. Jeremy Hunt will tell the Commons next week which recommendations he will implement.


Anyone who has passed the “ Life in the UK Test “ will know that since 1997 some powers, including health, have been devolved from central government to The Welsh Assembly, Northern Ireland Assembly, and Scottish Parliament.


Apart from being the richest of several millionaires in the cabinet, Mr Hunt is only the English Health Secretary. The “ Berwick Report “ addresses NHS England.


Of course the NHS in other parts of the UK may take note of Berwick’s recommendations. Patient safety problems exist throughout the NHS as with EVERY other healthcare system in the world, including the Philippines.



NHS staff are almost always NOT to blame, and are not criminals.


In my working lifetime, surgeons would often ask me to provide diagnoses ( such as cancer or not ? ) to correctly treat patients when I had ALREADY exceeded recommended safe workloads.

For EVERYONE working in the NHS, “ honest “ mistakes occur, but are usually not made wilfully or recklessly. There are good intentions with goodwill in most cases – stretched, in some cases severely, by systems, procedures, conditions, environment and constraints that lead to patient safety problems.


Berwick’s recommendations include :-


• Reduce patient harm by an ethic of learning ( continuing training and education ).


• Quality of care and patient safety to be prioritised by ALL leaders in healthcare.


• Patients and carers to be present at all levels of healthcare organizations.


• SUFFICIENT STAFF must be available for safe care at all times.


• Supervisory and regulatory systems should be simple and clear.


• Recourse to criminal sanctions should be extremely rare, and function primarily as a deterrent to wilful or reckless neglect or mistreatment.



https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/berwick-review-into-patient-safety

[andy222]

Well said doc.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

More doctors and nurses please and if they hire foreign doctors/nurses the General Medical Council should have a rigid test with their proficiency in English.

for IMG's they need to pass the Academic version of IELTS

From 1 October 2010 the minimum IELTS scores we accept as evidence of English proficiency for the purposes of registration will be 7.0 in each of the areas tested (speaking, listening, reading and writing), and 7.0 overall.

http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/registration_news/7355.asp

[joebloggs]

The despicable events at Mid Staffs Hospital were going on 2005-8 so how about adding these grubs to your prosecution list Joe ?

John Reid
Patricia Hewitt
Alan Johnson
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
and for good measure deceitful scouser Andy Burnham

:icon_lol: all labour politicians , tell me dedworth you looked but couldn't find a Tory one to add to the list :laugher:

Edwina Currie,
Jeremy hunt expenses scandal, tax avoidance scandal :laugher:

[Dedworth]

It's a health thread Joe and I was highlighting those in charge when the Mid Staffs scandal was going on.

[joebloggs]

It's a health thread Joe and I was highlighting those in charge when the Mid Staffs scandal was going on.

so
John Reid
Patricia Hewitt
Alan Johnson
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
and for good measure deceitful scouser Andy Burnham

were in charge of Mid-Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust dedworth :Erm:

funny i thought Martin Yeates was chief executive of the trust :Erm:

[Dedworth]

so
John Reid
Patricia Hewitt
Alan Johnson
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
and for good measure deceitful scouser Andy Burnham

were in charge of Mid-Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust dedworth :Erm:

funny i thought Martin Yeates was chief executive of the trust :Erm:


That bunch of scumbags were the political chiefs at the time presiding over a raft of box ticking, staff shortages, targets, management consultants and pct's all at the expense of patient care

[joebloggs]

That bunch of scumbags were the political chiefs at the time presiding over a raft of box ticking, staff shortages, targets, management consultants and pct's all at the expense of patient care

well they must have been too busy looking after the other

161 acute trusts (including 101 foundation trusts)
56 mental health trusts (including 41 foundation trusts)

[andy222]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-accident-emergency-demand-rockets-2800812
Now thats more like it.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[andy222]

Here is another one.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/john-prescott-nhs-direct-tories-2800492

[joebloggs]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-accident-emergency-demand-rockets-2800812
Now thats more like it.:xxgrinning--00xx3:


"You can’t trust David Cameron with the NHS.”

:xxgrinning--00xx3:
Enforced competition, as predicted, is wasting millions and putting lives at risk. Just look at Bournemouth and Poole

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/15/competition-killing-nhs-bournemouth-poole

[joebloggs]

also from the end of Sept

"And you can see why. Huge private health firms, run by people who have donated £1.5 million to the Tories, winning £1.5 billion in NHS contracts. Who gave this Prime Minister permission to sell the NHS to his friends? Nobody. He just did it, as born-to-rule Tories do."

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/burnham-warns-of-american-style-nhs