Margaret Thatcher tax shock: £12m mansion where she saw out her days registered in TAX HAVEN

[joebloggs]

:mad: well what do you expect from a Tory :NoNo:

An expert said: “It's strange that the most British of prime ministers enjoyed the benefits of a property registered in the British Virgin Islands"


read more here .. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-tax-shock-12m-2866929

[Dedworth]

:Erm: Joe - Can you point me to where in the article it says Mrs T held any shares in the property owning company ? All I can see is :-

Papers linked to her will state “the gross value of the estate in the United Kingdom amounts to £4,768,795”. But it does not appear to include the Belgravia mansion, valued at £12.4million by Zoopla.

The house was bought in 1991 by Bakeland Property Limited, an anonymous offshore trust in Jersey, on a 64-year lease. It was sub-leased to a firm of the same name based in the British Virgin Islands.

It is not known who the beneficiaries of Bakeland are. If Thatcher had owned shares in it when she died, inheritance tax would have been due on their value.

[andy222]

Some nice words (true) said about her under the story.:wink:

[grahamw48]

Blimey...she was a lot poorer then Bliar then. :Erm:

[Dedworth]

Blimey...she was a lot poorer then Bliar then. :Erm:

I expect the £12m mansion is part of the Blairs property portfolio

[joebloggs]

:Erm: Joe - Can you point me to where in the article it says Mrs T held any shares in the property owning company ? All I can see is :-

Papers linked to her will state “the gross value of the estate in the United Kingdom amounts to £4,768,795”. But it does not appear to include the Belgravia mansion, valued at £12.4million by Zoopla.

The house was bought in 1991 by Bakeland Property Limited, an anonymous offshore trust in Jersey, on a 64-year lease. It was sub-leased to a firm of the same name based in the British Virgin Islands.

It is not known who the beneficiaries of Bakeland are. If Thatcher had owned shares in it when she died, inheritance tax would have been due on their value.

:icon_lol: come on dedworth, its all dodgy and you know that, thatcher living in a £12m mansion and no one knows who owns it :laugher: she must be renting it , or she owns it :Erm: why all the mystery ??



Blimey...she was a lot poorer then Bliar then. :Erm:

well she was only a grocers daughter and lived to the ripe old age of 87, so maybe her money went on rent (thou i recall she didn't pay rent !!!) maybe her money went on heating her mansion :cwm25:

[grahamw48]

She was also married to a successful businessman.

Both worked hard to get where they were, and had experienced 'real life'. I can't knock that. :smile:

[joebloggs]

She was also married to a successful businessman.

Both worked hard to get where they were, and had experienced 'real life'. I can't knock that. :smile:

I would have thought most people who work, work hard but dont have millions in the bank, actually you might be wrong, it seems she was going to leave Dennis money :wink:


Thatcher’s financial advisors refused in 2002 to explain why she did not appear to own her own house, and stated: “No one’s going to tell you about that.”

:Erm: did she rent or live in social housing :biggrin: maybe the newspaper of the year, the daily mail could investigate who owns the £12m mansion she was living in, and who was paying the rent :cwm25:

dedworth should be able to find out, a few days ago he posted about the union leader living and paying for his social housing, i wonder who paid for thatcher and why ?

[Dedworth]

Maybe the £12m mansion belonged a friend who let her stay there - what do you think Joe or is it just the figure of £12 million that bothers you ?

June 2013 the Blairs property portfolio was quoted as being worth £21 million - no doubt he's squirreled away his immoral earnings in a few more since then

[joebloggs]

Maybe the £12m mansion belonged a friend who let her stay there - what do you think Joe or is it just the figure of £12 million that bothers you ?

June 2013 the Blairs property portfolio was quoted as being worth £21 million - no doubt he's squirreled away his immoral earnings in a few more since then

what bothers me dedworth you would be singing a different tune if it was Blair or any other labour politician, but as it's a Tory and your great leader you sweep it under the carpet with maybe's :icon_lol:

[marksroomspain]

Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead:laugher: politicians :repuke:

[les_taxi]

what bothers me dedworth you would be singing a different tune if it was Blair or any other labour politician, but as it's a Tory and your great leader you sweep it under the carpet with maybe's :icon_lol:


great leader
Thank you for those kind words Joe, indeed she was great :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

Thank you for those kind words Joe,indeed she was great :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:icon_lol :you missed the your great leader

to me and many other people, she destroyed this country :NoNo:

http://www.theindiepedant.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Thatcher-evil-harpy.jpg

[joebloggs]

Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead:laugher: politicians :repuke:

:NoNo:, i like this better :wink:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcXi-VYy_Yw

[grahamw48]

Some people have very short memories.

The country was in a terrible state when Maggie was elected. We needed a leader with balls to drag GB Ltd up by the scruff of its neck, and we found one.

Poor Britain...as was.' The sick man of Europe'. :NoNo:

Tell me. Which party was in power during most of sorry that period ?

[joebloggs]

record unemployment, riots, sold everything off that was British, the greed of the yuppies .. must be the Tories Graham :wink:

[les_taxi]

Unions shafting us all,country was all but broken-she kicked their arses, wiped the floor with the Argies and gave us our identity back.
What is this country now after years of labours crap - it's a mess where you can't even say what you want unless your an Islamic nutter.
We have been Raped by labours policies - why do you think they lost the last Election.
Why you would want Labour back in power dumbfounds lots of us, can you not remember how they left the country, why they lost the Election? :doh

[gWaPito]

record unemployment, riots, sold everything off that was British, the greed of the yuppies .. must be the Tories Graham :wink:

Yep, it must of been that bad Joe, she won 3 consecutive terms in office :cwm25:

[gWaPito]

Unions shafting us all,country was all but broken-she kicked their arses,wiped the floor with the Argies and gave us our identity back.
What is this country now after years of labours crap-it's a mess where you can't even say what you want unless your an Islamic nutter.
We have been Raped by labours policies-why do you think they lost the last Election.
Why you would want Labour back in power dumbfounds lots of us,can you not remember how they left the country,why they lost the Election?:doh

They want all of us to live in the gutter :cwm25:

The mess Bliar and Co left is going to take more than 3 years to clean up.
Still, David has kicked our economy into shape :xxgrinning--00xx3:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/11/27/uk-britain-economy-idUKBRE9AQ0BT20131127

[London_Manila]

Unions shafting us all, country was all but broken - she kicked their arses, wiped the floor with the Argies and gave us our identity back.
What is this country now after years of labours crap - it's a mess where you can't even say what you want unless your an Islamic nutter.
We have been Raped by labours policies-why do you think they lost the last Election.
Why you would want Labour back in power dumbfounds lots of us, can you not remember how they left the country, why they lost the Election? :doh

Wow the right wing Tory gutter press really did a good job on you

Don't think for 1 second that Cameron and his fellow Tory Toffs give a 4xxxx about you

Whatever the unions did in the past is in the past
The bottom line today is normal working people need the unions now more than ever

[London_Manila]

They want all of us to live in the gutter :cwm25:

The mess Bliar and Co left is going to take more than 3 years to clean up.
Still, David has kicked our economy into shape :xxgrinning--00xx3:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/11/27/uk-britain-economy-idUKBRE9AQ0BT20131127

Take a look around many people are virtually living in the gutter now
Minimum wage zero hours contracts and hardly any workers rights left

That don't stop the Tory Toffs and their backers lining their pockets by selling off Royal Mail on the cheap

Yes the economy is really looking great with over 9 million people in this country seriously in debt
That debt is going to need paying off at some stage!

Camerons help to buy scheme has already been sunk by the bank of England
If Cameron is so helpful on the british economy would he be introducing "vote winning" ideas like this
According to the Tories there is no housing bubble at the moment = who are they trying to kid
Remember in the eighties when Thatcher told everyone to buy their own houses
A few years later and most of them lost their houses when interest rates went up to 14%
Camerons help to buy scheme will end up going that way as well
The Bank of England has already warned about this only last week

If you cant stump up the money for a deposit on a house then you should not even think about buying it
Simple economics

Looking forward to your EXTORTIONATE winter fuel bills rolling in? Another great Thatcher idea :Wave:

I doubt if Camerons bedroom tax is going to effect many of his fellow Tory Toffs

[gWaPito]

Wow the right wing Tory gutter press really did a good job on you

Don't think for 1 second that Cameron and his fellow Torry Toffs give a 4xxxx about you

Whatever the unions did in the past is in the past
The bottom line today is normal working people need the unions now more than ever

The 'right wing gutter press' hasn't done a job on any of us....we were actually living and working in that ..... era...correct me if I'm wrong..You weren't even born.

This 'past is past' statement. I notice it's said a lot in the Phil..............I'm afraid the past has a bearing on everything no matter how far you want bury your head in the sand. Here's another saying...'the past will come back to haunt you'......while you are pondering that I got to sleep :Wave:

[gWaPito]

Take a look around many people are virtually living in the gutter now
Minimum wage zero hours contracts and hardly any workers rights left

That don't stop the Tory Toffs and their backers lining their pockets by selling off Royal Mail on the cheap

Looking forward to your EXTORTIONATE winter fuel bills rolling in? Another great Thatcher idea :Wave:

I doubt if Camerons bedroom tax is going to effect many of his fellow Tory Toffs

Actually, it only affects folks in social housing.

[London_Manila]

Actually, it only affects folks in social housing.

EXACTLY and that was my point = not many Tory voters there

[les_taxi]

Take a look around many people are virtually living in the gutter now
Minimum wage zero hours contracts and hardly any workers rights left
Yes living in the gutter while texting each other on their Samsungs
Unions stuffed you on your rights, holding the rest of the country to Ransom - blame your Mr Scargill :doh
The economy is improving so dont know how you dispute that
A lot of debt as raised on 5 live the other day is due to people living beyond their means - credit card frenzy :NoNo:
you seem to want a nanny state where we magic up the money (labour just borrow it and we have to pay tons of interest)
Many people happily bought their council houses and eventually sold them and made a nice little earner, remember people have a choice - you are blaming the Tories for giving people a choice.
What do you feel about the 2 wars labour dragged us into?
I get sick of people whinging wanting the government to do everything for you, get sick of spongers and benefit claimants taking the piss.
Fuel like everything always goes up,l uckily the most vulnerable get winter fuel allowance.

But I do disagree with the Bedroom tax - that's a cock up
If and when Labour get in I'm sure we will all be so much worse off, and a few on here wont be defending them as vigorously methinks :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

Good post Les. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I'll also add...

Rioting was mainly confined to dissatisfied immigrants. Now racial prejudice I don't condone, but I won't be supporting drug-dealers and crooks either.

In reply to London_Manila:

Very few people who were encouraged by Maggie to buy their own homes lost them (early 90s)....mainly those who were living beyond their means anyway.

The problem was created by 'financial advisors' on commission, and irresponsible and gullible buyers...something that Labour had 13 years to correct, but of course didn't. Result, even bigger property boom and subsequent crash, with more repossessions than ever. :NoNo:

Most were happy to accumulate equity and stop paying rent.

Personal debt is a personal decision. Don't go blaming governments for your own stupidity.

[joebloggs]

Yep, it must of been that bad Joe, she won 3 consecutive terms in office :cwm25:

Blair won 3, unlike thatcher he didn't have record levels of unemployment, rioting which there was under thatcher, under Blair Britain enjoyed more than 10 years of continuous growth and low inflation, minimum wage, took over 1m out of poverty. what did thatcher do ???????

[joebloggs]

The 'right wing gutter press' hasn't done a job on any of us....we were actually living and working in that ..... era...correct me if I'm wrong..You weren't even born.



did the unions shaft you gWaPito :laugher:
les or Graham have you ever been a union member ???

[grahamw48]

Blair won 3, unlike thatcher he didn't have record levels of unemployment, rioting which there was under thatcher, under Blair Britain enjoyed more than 10 years of continuous growth and low inflation, minimum wage, took over 1m out of poverty. what did thatcher do ???????

Which we're all paying for now. How is MG Rover doing ?

[grahamw48]

did the unions shaft you gWaPito :laugher:
les or Graham have you ever been a union member ???

Yes, I was branch secretary of the CPSA (as it was called then) when I worked for the Dept of Employment. :smile:

[SimonH]

Do you have to be a Union member to comment on Unions :Erm:
Do you have to be a member of a political party to comment on their policies :Erm:

[joebloggs]

If and when Labour get in I'm sure we will all be so much worse off, and a few on here wont be defending them as vigorously methinks :biggrin:

and were all doing great under the Tories :laugher:, oh hang on those with the 'broadest shoulders' are with their 10% tax cut :laugher:

tell me les under blair how many years of economic growth was there ? i wait your answer :biggrin: oh and what was it under thatcher :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

Thank goodness I don't have to go to church to comment on religion. :icon_lol:

[joebloggs]

Which we're all paying for now. How is MG Rover doing ?

tell me how many major British car manufacturers are there left Graham ? and did they all go bust under a labour gov ?

[joebloggs]

Yes, I was branch secretary of the CPSA (as it was called then) when I worked for the Dept of Employment. :smile:

and did you think the union was shafting anyone ?

[grahamw48]

tell me how many major British car manufacturers are there left Graham ? and did they all go bust under a labour gov ?

They went bust because the British public (and govt depts) bought foreign cars.

I bought one of the last MGs made... plus my British-made TVRs for the weekend. :smile:

[grahamw48]

and did you think the union was shafting anyone ?

That particular union ?

I have no idea, as I wasn't privy to what went on amongst the higher echelons of its management.

[Michael Parnham]

Whatever any of you say, I'll still vote Tory! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

Whatever any of you say, I'll still vote Tory! :xxgrinning--00xx3:
Too right Michael. ..at least we know who our betters are. We know who to trust with our hard earned :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

did the unions shaft you gWaPito :laugher:
les or Graham have you ever been a union member ???
I do remember the inconvenience of missing at episode or 2 of ''family at war'' during the power cut era. ...mother had to get out grans paraffin stove. ..We'd then be treated by dad on the history of that stove. ....it was a time we came together as a family. ..just like the Walton's :biggrin::xxgrinning--00xx3:

Life was a bit simpler back then. All parents had to worry about was putting food on the table.

[joebloggs]

Too right Michael. ..at least we know who are betters are. We know who to trust with our hard earned :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:laugher: gWaPito you really are taking the :censored:, you owe it to your union for getting you your pay and conditions not the gov :biggrin:

[joebloggs]

.just like the Walton's :biggrin::xxgrinning--00xx3:


and just like the Waltons were waiting for this recession to end :icon_lol:

oh when were those darks days, it must have under the last labour gov gWaPito, maybe i was in the phils and missed those dark days :biggrin:

[Dedworth]

Whatever the unions did in the past is in the past

:icon_lol: Is it ?


The bottom line today is normal working people need the unions now more than ever



Try asking the folks up in Grangemouth, they were that close to getting their P45's for Christmas. They wish they'd never heard of the Unite union

[joebloggs]

Try asking the folks up in Grangemouth, they were that close to getting their P45's for Christmas. They wish they'd never heard of the Unite union

have you any evidence of this dedworth or are you just guessing, like you did with the £75wk rent :cwm25:

[les_taxi]

les or Graham have you ever been a union member

No, worked for privately owned companies, rose up the Ranks and worked hard and did well.

Eventually 20 years ago decided to work for myself with no capital hardly and became taxi driver, self employed and realised if i wanted things in life i had to do it myself, worked many Sat nights while my mates were enjoying themselves.
enables me to live half decent lifestyle though, but if i want anything, any treat I go out there work extra hours and earn it :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

Too right Michael. ..at least we know who our betters are. We know who to trust with our hard earned :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:NoNo: ... Correction, Mark! Politicians, in general, may well be "better~off" (financially) than your average worker. But that most certainly does NOT make them better people in a moral sense :nono-1-1: - regardless of the party they purport to represent!

[grahamw48]

I do remember the inconvenience of missing at episode or 2 of ''family at war'' during the power cut era. ...mother had to get out grans paraffin stove. ..We'd then be treated by dad on the history of that stove. ....it was a time we came together as a family. ..just like the Walton's :biggrin::xxgrinning--00xx3:

Life was a bit simpler back then. All parents had to worry about was putting food on the table.

TABLE ?

You were lucky. :cwm3:

[gWaPito]

and just like the Waltons were waiting for this recession to end :icon_lol:

oh when were those darks days, it must have under the last labour gov gWaPito, maybe i was in the phils and missed those dark days :biggrin:

The 70s:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

:NoNo: ... Correction, Mark! Politicians, in general, may well be "better~off" (financially) than your average worker. But that most certainly does NOT make them better people in a moral sense :nono-1-1: - regardless of the party they purport to represent!

I know Arthur :xxgrinning--00xx3: I was just getting up Joe's nose :biggrin: It's what I do

You are right about the moral sense...it was unthinkable for normal folks back then to be married and divorced multiple times with all the emotional upheaval what comes with it.

Like I said, my parents had it easy...when times were tough they knew they had each other, no matter what. It's something I took for granted later in my life..........women (the ones I've come across of late) aren't made like that any more

[gWaPito]

TABLE ?

You were lucky. :cwm3:

:icon_lol::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[London_Manila]

Too right Michael. ..at least we know who our betters are. We know who to trust with our hard earned :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I would not trust any of them !

I thought you said before that you did not suck up to the Tories

The only one who talks any sense these days is Farage

[London_Manila]

Yes living in the gutter while texting each other on their Samsungs
Unions stuffed you on your rights, holding the rest of the country to Ransom - blame your Mr Scargill :doh
The economy is improving so dont know how you dispute that
A lot of debt as raised on 5 live the other day is due to people living beyond their means - credit card frenzy :NoNo:
you seem to want a nanny state where we magic up the money (labour just borrow it and we have to pay tons of interest)
Many people happily bought their council houses and eventually sold them and made a nice little earner, remember people have a choice - you are blaming the Tories for giving people a choice.
What do you feel about the 2 wars labour dragged us into?
I get sick of people whinging wanting the government to do everything for you, get sick of spongers and benefit claimants taking the piss.
Fuel like everything always goes up,l uckily the most vulnerable get winter fuel allowance.

But I do disagree with the Bedroom tax - that's a cock up
If and when Labour get in I'm sure we will all be so much worse off, and a few on here wont be defending them as vigorously methinks :biggrin:

I think you will find that those same scroungers were getting their benefits under the Tory government also

I am no great Labour supporter either I dislike both these 2 main parties

I notice that none of you pro Tory lot seem to want to defend our high fuel costs now, a situation totally down to your beloved Thatcher
"not having a leg to stand on" springs to mind............

[joebloggs]

The 70s:xxgrinning--00xx3:

70's :yikes: what 40+yrs ago :icon_lol: no power cuts under Blair and brown thou :icon_lol: you must have fond memories of the good old days gWaPito :biggrin:


I know Arthur :xxgrinning--00xx3: I was just getting up Joe's nose :biggrin: It's what I do


:laugher: i know your a secret labour supporter :biggrin: and a Union man :laugher:

[les_taxi]

I think you will find that those same scroungers were getting their benefits under the Tory government also

Of course we had people on benefits under the Tories, but it was labour who made it so much easier for the non-deserving Jeremy kyle culture they helped to create, they created a record number of allowances that totally bamboozled the system, but the shirkers of this world had plenty of time to work out and abuse.


I notice that none of you pro Tory lot seem to want to defend our high fuel costs now, a situation totally down to your beloved Thatcher
"not having a leg to stand on" springs to mind............

So do you think gas and electric prices would have remained the same after all these years? We are an island and will always find things more expensive as we don't have enough natural resources.
Think you will find that many, many people who are 'struggling' still manage to power up their 40 plasma to watch x-factor :biggrin:
As the decades go by Fuel will be a luxury item as it is running out, one day it will outstrip Gold in terms of value.

[joebloggs]

les, thatcher played her part in creating the kyle culture with record levels of unemployment, no hope for most school leavers, your old enough to remember the early 80's with 10,000s of people a week losing their jobs, remember Trev McDonald closing the news with the daily and weekly job losses :NoNo:

yes the good old days of thatcher :icon_lol:

[les_taxi]

She was one of the best leaders we ever had,you will never make me think otherwise Joe,she would even beat millipiede in a fight i bet:icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

Ah, thread still going strong eh ?

I'm just catching up after ministering freebies to the poor and the idle again today.

Back to back private rented terraced houses...washing hanging across the street.

One family's only source of heating was the gas cooker. Encountered many heavy smokers, Bull terriors, shellsuits, security grills on windows and front doors, and sticky floors. :smile:

As Bernard Manning said about the 'ethnic' restaurant next door to him...

"Well, at least it keeps the flies out of my house". :vomit-smiley-011:

[Dedworth]

Ah, thread still going strong eh ?

I'm just catching up after ministering freebies to the poor and the idle again today.

Back to back private rented terraced houses...washing hanging across the street.

One family's only source of heating was the gas cooker. Encountered many heavy smokers, Bull terriors, shellsuits, security grills on windows and front doors, and sticky floors. :smile:

As Bernard Manning said about the 'ethnic' restaurant next door to him...

"Well, at least it keeps the flies out of my house". :vomit-smiley-011:

Labour voters obviously :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

I was working one side of the street, while the debt collector was working the other side. :xxparty-smiley-004:

:icon_lol:

[les_taxi]

Ah, thread still going strong eh ?

I'm just catching up after ministering freebies to the poor and the idle again today.

Back to back private rented terraced houses...washing hanging across the street.

One family's only source of heating was the gas cooker. Encountered many heavy smokers, Bull terriors, shellsuits, security grills on windows and front doors, and sticky floors. :smile:

As Bernard Manning said about the 'ethnic' restaurant next door to him...

"Well, at least it keeps the flies out of my house". :vomit-smiley-011:

It's like a separate race of people at times,they don't want to work a lot of em,encouraged by limitless labour benefit system,these guys are never going to want to go to work :cwm23:

[Dedworth]

She was one of the best leaders we ever had,you will never make me think otherwise Joe,she would even beat millipiede in a fight i bet:icon_lol:

He couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AiIWaiG5VlU/UHMCyXhoJ1I/AAAAAAAACtU/I9xMruJUWis/s1600/millipede.jpg

[grahamw48]

On our local ITV news tonight...

Good news for the downtrodden in Goldthorpe...but now I also know where my Tesco 'reduced' shelf has gone. :cwm3:

Listen to the 'compassionate' comments by the former 'Apprentice' contestant. :icon_lol:

http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/story/2013-12-02/britains-cheapest-supermarket/

[Iani]

Not going to bother reading that story, because as soon as I saw "Mirror" I knew it would be anything but subjective, and about as biased as a story in the Mail about asylum seekers.

IF however Thatcher registered property in a tax haven to fiddle the system, then frankly why not?

I was not a fan of her for many reasons, however she couldn't be accused of being hypocritical.
She made it clear she was prepared to use such as private medicine for example, wouldn't apologise for it.......and anyone didn't like it, they could go hang.

It's in character that she'd make sure her very hard earned didn't go to subsidise feckless to buy their Special Brew, cigs and Sky tv to watch all day.

For all the politicians liking to say our taxes go on "health and education (Surely the biggest modern cliche for politicians), they also go on weapons to use in countries which hate us, aid to countries which hate us and send up rockets, and to pay for the lifestyles of generations of scratters whose only contribution to society is the birth rate, crime rate and benefits bill.
Occasionally they might cross our lives by robbing decent people, or twice in the last few months I've been physically attacked when going about my job in the :censored: areas of town. Same pieces of debris who it could be said I pay for by working my .... off.

No, SHE wouldn't want her earned to go to them, and anyone criticising this, only do so if you are happy for your money to also go this way.

Thatch can be attacked for many reasons, but not this one. Sorry but I bet many Labour politicians also play the field, and can't blame them either (Except that in their case it is definitely a case of hypocrisy as they're supposed to be for the people)

[Arthur Little]

" .. I was not a fan of her for many reasons, however ..... "

:cwm25: ... love her or hate her ... :anerikke: ... there's a lot of truth in what you've said, Ian! :wink:

[joebloggs]

the poor fiddle benefits face 10yrs in prison the rich fiddle taxes and walk away free :NoNo:

10 years for benefit fraud is absurd when 99% of tax fraudsters walk away with their anonymity intact

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2013/09/16/10-years-for-benefit-fraud-is-absurd-when-99-of-tax-fraudsters-walk-away-with-their-anonymity-intact/

[Dedworth]

the poor fiddle benefits face 10yrs in prison the rich fiddle taxes and walk away free:NoNo:

10 years for benefit fraud is absurd when 99% of tax fraudsters walk away with their anonymity intact

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2013/09/16/10-years-for-benefit-fraud-is-absurd-when-99-of-tax-fraudsters-walk-away-with-their-anonymity-intact/

I'd love to see a benefit fraudster get 10 years - can you point us towards the examples Joe. Most I read about or see on TV (Saints & Scroungers etc which seems to specialise in featuring Nigerians resident in Croydon) seem to get off with a suspended sentence at the most.

[joebloggs]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/benefit-cheats-face-10-years-in-prison-as-keir-starmer-sets-out-tough-new-crown-prosecution-service-guidelines-8818201.html

if his figures are right, that tax fraud is 50 times bigger than benefit fraud, then why only chase after the benefit fraudsters :NoNo:


But let’s also get some facts straight. Tax evasion amounts to £70 billion and year and tax avoidance to £25 billion a year. Yes, I know they’re my estimates, but the European Union uses them even if HM Revenue & Customs insists the combined number is a ludicrously low £32 billion a year. In my opinion tax fraud is at least 50 times bigger than benefit fraud.

[grahamw48]

I'd love to see a benefit fraudster get 10 years - can you point us towards the examples Joe. Most I read about or see on TV (Saints & Scroungers etc which seems to specialise in featuring Nigerians resident in Croydon) seem to get off with a suspended sentence at the most.

Thanks...said it for me . :xxgrinning--00xx3:

...and not forgetting the millions who don't get found out.

[andy222]

les, thatcher played her part in creating the kyle culture with record levels of unemployment, no hope for most school leavers, your old enough to remember the early 80's with 10,000s of people a week losing their jobs, remember Trev McDonald closing the news with the daily and weekly job losses :NoNo:

yes the good old days of thatcher :icon_lol:
And dont forget the riots Joe.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

Thanks...said it for me . :xxgrinning--00xx3:

...and not forgetting the millions who don't get found out.

well if tax fraud is * 50 the size of benefit fraud, wouldn't you be putting most of your resources there, i wonder why they Tories don't :biggrin:

[andy222]

They went bust because the British public (and govt depts) bought foreign cars.

I bought one of the last MGs made... plus my British-made TVRs for the weekend. :smile:
Who owns MG now graham?. The very country that Cameron has gone begging to cap in hand.:wink:

[joebloggs]

Who owns MG now graham?. The very country that Cameron has gone begging to cap in hand.:wink:

i wonder how many major German companies are owned by the Chinese

[andy222]

Zero and I cant see Merkle going over there to kiss their asses.:biggrin:.

[grahamw48]

I'm not going to defend Cameron. :smile:

UKIP for me. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

Cameron just cant get enough of the Chinese :NoNo:

China 'could invest in HS2' as part of a series of deals with the UK


http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/china-could-invest-high-speed-6363787

The Tories putting the UK up for sale again .

[andy222]

Capitalist versus Communism. Who is richer? :biggrin:. Cameron is an embarrassment.

[grahamw48]

Cameron just cant get enough of the Chinese :NoNo:

China 'could invest in HS2' as part of a series of deals with the UK


http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/china-could-invest-high-speed-6363787

The Tories putting the UK up for sale again .

Yes, I agree, and I don't like it.

[grahamw48]

Capitalist versus Communism. Who is richer? :biggrin:. Cameron is an embarrassment.

More to the point...who is the biggest exploiter ? :smile:

[andy222]

Good question but I think the chinese have the edge.:biggrin:

[grahamw48]

I think you're right Andy. :smile:

[Arthur Little]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/benefit-cheats-face-10-years-in-prison-as-keir-starmer-sets-out-tough-new-crown-prosecution-service-guidelines-8818201.html

if his figures are right, that tax fraud is 50 times bigger than benefit fraud, then why only chase after the benefit fraudsters :NoNo:

Let's face it, though ... :anerikke: ... in the [once] Iron Lady's case, there ain't really a lot of point in HMRC raking through a pile of cinders interred in the Royal Chelsea Hospital grounds.

[Dedworth]

I'm still waiting to see the reports of 10 year sentences for benefit cheats Joe - made it up did you? :biggrin:

[gWaPito]

Good question but I think the chinese have the edge.:biggrin:

When it comes to reckless money creation, it turns out that China is the king. Over the past five years, Chinese bank assets have grown from about 9 trillion dollars to more than 24 trillion dollars. This has been fueled by the greatest private debt binge that the world has ever seen.

Looks like they've taken a leaf out of Labour's book..........Go ahead..get yourself over there. Go fill your boots:laugher:

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/china-is-on-a-debt-binge-and-a-buying-spree-unlike-anything-the-world-has-ever-seen-before

[gWaPito]

I'm still waiting to see the reports of 10 year sentences for benefit cheats Joe - made it up did you? :biggrin:

As a mod Joe you know full well you should of posted a link :biggrin:..........I'm cool with waiting..take your time :Sex:

[joebloggs]

I'm still waiting to see the reports of 10 year sentences for benefit cheats Joe - made it up did you? :biggrin:

:doh didn't you read the link dedworth its a proposal by the Tories :icon_lol:, its probably been U turned :icon_lol: thou why not do the same for tax fraud :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

:doh didn't you read the link dedworth its a proposal by the Tories :icon_lol:, its probably been U turned :icon_lol: thou why not do the same for tax fraud :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Joe it actually says that from Sept these leeches can be charged under the Fraud Act which carries a max of 10 years but up till then have been pursued under social security legislation which carries a max of seven years.

If you've got time over the next few weeks see if you can dig out any reports of any parasites getting 7 years :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

The 'maximum' sentence for virtually all crimes is almost never handed down. We all know that. Usually a mere fraction of it.

[Dedworth]

The 'maximum' sentence for virtually all crimes is almost never handed down. We all know that. Usually a mere fraction of it.

This slug defrauded £94k got 22 weeks in jail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2430005/Cleo-Embley-pay-94k-benefit-fraud-taxpayer-money.html

£21k - 39 weeks suspended

http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/local/benefits-fraudster-given-suspended-jail-term-1-5723114

£38k - 26 weeks suspended

http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=35882

"poor" fiddlers Joe ??? :mad:

[joebloggs]

Tax fraud is now subject to maybe 400 prosecutions a year. The penalties are small. But ten years is being threatened for benefit fraud. The publicity, the sentences and the messaging is all disproportionate and the allocation of resources is all wrong. - See more at: http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2013/09/16/10-years-for-benefit-fraud-is-absurd-when-99-of-tax-fraudsters-walk-away-with-their-anonymity-intact/#sthash.zepH3Dmt.dpuf

the bigger the crime the bigger the prison time :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[London_Manila]

Of course we had people on benefits under the Tories, but it was labour who made it so much easier for the non-deserving Jeremy kyle culture they helped to create, they created a record number of allowances that totally bamboozled the system, but the shirkers of this world had plenty of time to work out and abuse.



So do you think gas and electric prices would have remained the same after all these years? We are an island and will always find things more expensive as we don't have enough natural resources.
Think you will find that many, many people who are 'struggling' still manage to power up their 40 plasma to watch x-factor :biggrin:
As the decades go by Fuel will be a luxury item as it is running out, one day it will outstrip Gold in terms of value.

The utilities should have never been sold off to private companies
They were national assets and now they are in private companies hands we are all paying extortionate prices just to keep our homes warm

Profits in these companies have gone thru the roof :NoNo:

[London_Manila]

She was one of the best leaders we ever had,you will never make me think otherwise Joe,she would even beat millipiede in a fight i bet:icon_lol:

Utter rubbish and even her own party dumped her when she clearly became a liability

[London_Manila]

Cameron just cant get enough of the Chinese :NoNo:

China 'could invest in HS2' as part of a series of deals with the UK

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/china-could-invest-high-speed-6363787

The Tories putting the UK up for sale again .

Camerons great idea to get the Chinese to fund everything here will backfire in years to come :NoNo:

[les_taxi]

Utter rubbish and even her own party dumped her when she clearly became a liability

Totally disagree with that statement,if she was so evil why did she win 3 elections?
At the end she was stabbed in the back but it was time for her to go I will concede that,no one can do it forever.

[SimonH]

Utter rubbish and even her own party dumped her when she clearly became a liability

Blair :Erm:

[les_taxi]

Brown:yikes:

[Dedworth]

Brown:yikes:


The missing man - still representing his constituency by turning up at the Commons once a month to put in his expenses claim. An utterly shameless & despicable grub.

[grahamw48]

Would Brown qualify for a certificate of 'no impediment', I wonder ? :Erm:

Sorry...just a tongue in cheek comment there. :biggrin:

[joebloggs]

Totally disagree with that statement,if she was so evil why did she win 3 elections?
At the end she was stabbed in the back but it was time for her to go I will concede that,no one can do it forever.

she never got more than 44% of the vote, so out of those who bothered to vote at least 56% didn't vote for her :cwm25:

[les_taxi]

she never got more than 44% of the vote, so out of those who bothered to vote at least 56% didn't vote for her
Irrelevant the public have always been apathetic when it comes to voting

[Iani]

Envious of the Chinese?
Wonder why China is becoming the world powerhouse and governments in western countries (The countries who used to rule most of the world) are queuing up to kiss Chinese botty?

Well there's nothing to stop us being more like the Chinese and before long Britain could once again be the world leading growing economy. We just need to change a few things....

First of all, the British need to change their attitude to a "can do" one. Everywhere Chinese go in the world, they open businesses and work their backsides off.

Secondly we need to have a huge cut in British wages. We need to start working long hours for less then the current minimum wage - and this applies to EVERYONE (Except members of the ruling government)

Thirdly we need to do away with health and safety in the workplace. Yes, we'll go back to people dying due to chemical exposure and industrial diseases, but no worries huh, it's all for the good of the economy.

Fourthly we need to do away with our elected government and install a dictatorship, who will enforce strong government, and execute anyone who steps too far out of line.

So there you are, easy huh :wink:

These countries are only overtaking us because they pay rubbish wages, hold low regard for their workers...........and America etc are willing to buy their cheaper goods

[les_taxi]

They have always paid low wages and have been a dictatorship,yet China as well as India are going to be huge whether you like it or not:smile:

[joebloggs]

huge as long as the Europe and the USA keep making their products there.

I've said to the misses many times how many trillions of £'s would it take for the Phils gov to have roads, rail, housing, gas, water, drainage electric and housing on par with the UK ?

[joebloggs]

Joe it actually says that from Sept these leeches can be charged under the Fraud Act which carries a max of 10 years but up till then have been pursued under social security legislation which carries a max of seven years.

If you've got time over the next few weeks see if you can dig out any reports of any parasites getting 7 years :biggrin:

Altrincham fraudster jailed for his part in £250,000 caravan VAT fraud

15 months dedworth for £250,000 vat fraud :NoNo:

http://www.messengernewspapers.co.uk/news/whereyoulive/10786360.Altrincham_fraudster_jailed_for_his_part_in___250_000_caravan_VAT_fraud/?ref=ar

[andy222]

They have always paid low wages and have been a dictatorship,yet China as well as India are going to be huge whether you like it or not:smile:
China should be proud of themselves the governments there have kept the cost of living low unlike this government.