Should Smacking Children Be Illegal?

[KeithD]

I say yes. Violence never solves anything. Locking them in a dark cellar with the 'monsters' always worked for me :biggrin:

[andy222]

Do gooders again. Bring back the cane in schools.

[SimonH]

"Wait till your father gets home" and then the belt never did me any harm :Erm:

I'm sure some on here will disagree :wink:

[Michael Parnham]

Do gooders again. Bring back the cane in schools.

I agree Andy, also Discipline at home! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[les_taxi]

100% agree, not beating but a well timed smack on the legs stops them in their track.It's the shock effect.

all this namby pamby talk to your child crap dies not work.

[andy222]

Its backward if you ask me. You discipline your kids at home and they are let to run riot at school. Next thing you know they bring back a card with the childline number on it.:doh. My youngest did this years ago. I said phone them. Meanwhile I will be upstairs packing your bags. Obviously she didnt phone them and turned out to be a credit to me.

[KeithD]

I phoned Childline once, but they told me in no uncertain terms that they didn't do trade-ins!! :Cuckoo:

[Ako Si Jamie]

So long as the child gets plenty of love I don't see anything wrong with it. Emotional neglect is far more harmful than getting smacked, something a lot of people fail to realise.

[stevewool]

a shout from me use to work , but in the real word these days, when you see kids screaming and shouting and rolling around on the floor, well i dont know, each to there own you should know your own child and what you could do

[andy222]

I agree that statement steve. You need to know your kids.:xxgrinning--00xx3:. And let them know the rules. You can give plenty of love to kids but there is a line which they dont cross and they need to know that.

[gWaPito]

I say yes. Violence never solves anything. Locking them in a dark cellar with the 'monsters' always worked for me :biggrin:

Thought it was illegal already :Erm:..I can remember my daughter coming home from school as a 5 year old back in 1988. We were all sat at the table quietly having dinner (this doesn't happen nowadays) all of a sudden Emma blurts out for no reason whatsoever..'if you hit me I'll report you to the NSPCC and tell my teacher' The kids were well versed even then.

[joebloggs]

I agree Andy, also Discipline at home! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

does that also apply to your misses too ?

i take all of you in favour also 'smacked' your kids ? and did your parents 'smack you'

i've got 2 kids and a stepkid, me or the misses have never needed to 'smack' them or give them a beating

[fred]

Thought it was illegal already :Erm:..I can remember my daughter coming home from school as a 5 year old back in 1988. We were all sat at the table quietly having dinner (this doesn't happen nowadays) all of a sudden Emma blurts out for no reason whatsoever..'if you hit me I'll report you to the NSPCC and tell my teacher' The kids were well versed even then.

If my kids had ever come home from school and said that to me they would have got a good whack!

[joebloggs]

Thought it was illegal already :Erm:..I can remember my daughter coming home from school as a 5 year old back in 1988. We were all sat at the table quietly having dinner (this doesn't happen nowadays) all of a sudden Emma blurts out for no reason whatsoever..'if you hit me I'll report you to the NSPCC and tell my teacher' The kids were well versed even then.

good kids are taught to report abuse, pity some didn't and it cost them their life, funny my kids have never said that :cwm25:

[gWaPito]

good kids are taught to report abuse, pity some didn't and it cost them their life, funny my kids have never said that :cwm25:
That's right, well looked after kids aren't afraid. My younger sister and I were never beaten but our much older siblings were. Didn't do them any harm. .all ended up with good jobs families and homes. We all have respect for our parents unlike what I witnessed over the Xmas period. .nieces and nephews using 4 letter words in front of their parents. ..caused a row, I can tell you. They wouldn't of behaved Like that if their granddad was still around. No respect! ! ' Christmas, the most wonderful time of the year' I should coco. .They get full of Dutch courage then start mouthing off. ..I didn't need drink to stop it. .my 81 yo mother was in tears. That's drink for you.

Don't know what you implied Joe but ive never beaten or even smacked any of my kids. ...even the 3 past and present wives. Apart from 1 the other 2 can vouch for that.

[grahamw48]

I came from a family where 'good hidings' were the norm, if we behaved badly enough. Fortunately that was usually sufficient deterrent .

I can honestly say that I've never struck my own boy. He's been so good, and I love him too much to make him cry or physically hurt him. Never been the need.

That doesn't mean that I don't believe in (restrained) slapping when appropriate though.

[joebloggs]

Don't know what you implied Joe but ive never beaten or even smacked any of my kids. ...even the 3 past and present wives. Apart from 1 the other 2 can vouch for that.

meaning maybe my kids schools haven't told them about abuse .

swearing is never a good thing :NoNo:

[joebloggs]

I came from a family where 'good hidings' were the norm, if we behaved badly enough. Fortunately that was usually sufficient deterrent .

I can honestly say that I've never struck my own boy. He's been so good, and I love him too much to make him cry or physically hurt him. Never been the need.

That doesn't mean that I don't believe in (restrained) slapping when appropriate though.

i dont think it is a deterrent, its just a cycle from parents to kids

i can remember my school days, the class joker would mess about get taken out side get the slipper, come back in the class , smiling (maybe faking it ?) and next lesson do it again..

the best deterrent was keeping kids behind after school for a hour :biggrin:

[raynaputi]

My siblings and I were hit with belts and some other things when we were kids (and I don't know any of my friends who were not hit by their parents when they were kids), usually when all of us were fighting with each other or were reasoning out to my parents and shouting at them when we did something wrong. There were even times that my dad tied my brothers on each end of the bed because they won't stop fighting. :icon_lol:

Once I tried puffing a cigarette when I was in gradeschool and a neighbour saw me and told my mum. When I got home, my mum was so mad and threw a slippers on me and it went straight to my eye. I was grounded and locked in the room the rest of the day until some relatives visited us that night. Hahaha..:icon_lol: But that from that moment, I got scared of trying things that I know will be prohibited.

My siblings and I all respect and have high regards of my parents, grandparents, and other relatives older than us. You will never hear us swearing in front of them. None of us got spoiled or became a brat. Not one of us had a rebellious life. But I see the difference with my two nephews (aged 8 and 4) who never got the spank or been told off when they do nasty things, especially the 4 yr.old. We just can't control him and he always get what he likes. :NoNo:

[joebloggs]

I came from a family where 'good hidings' were the norm, if we behaved badly enough. Fortunately that was usually sufficient deterrent .

I can honestly say that I've never struck my own boy. He's been so good, and I love him too much to make him cry or physically hurt him. Never been the need.

That doesn't mean that I don't believe in (restrained) slapping when appropriate though.


My siblings and I were hit with belts and some other things when we were kids (and I don't know any of my friends who were not hit by their parents when they were kids), usually when all of us were fighting with each other or were reasoning out to my parents and shouting at them when we did something wrong. There were even times that my dad tied my brothers on each end of the bed because they won't stop fighting. :icon_lol:

Once I tried puffing a cigarette when I was in gradeschool and a neighbour saw me and told my mum. When I got home, my mum was so mad and threw a slippers on me and it went straight to my eye. I was grounded and locked in the room the rest of the day until some relatives visited us that night. Hahaha..:icon_lol: But that from that moment, I got scared of trying things that I know will be prohibited.

My siblings and I all respect and have high regards of my parents, grandparents, and other relatives older than us. You will never hear us swearing in front of them. None of us got spoiled or became a brat. Not one of us had a rebellious life. But I see the difference with my two nephews (aged 8 and 4) who never got the spank or been told off when they do nasty things, especially the 4 yr.old. We just can't control him and he always get what he likes. :NoNo:

so your associating the smacking you got from your parents with the way you turned out

but Graham has said he didn't smack his son, no need to,

maybe in some cases its not the child's fault but the parents fault , smacking or not :cwm25:

[raynaputi]

I'm not associating it fully, of course smart parenting still did its best. My parents are the best! :xxgrinning--00xx3: But if we didn't get the threat of smacking, I don't think we'll be scared enough of my parents and their authority. My nephew (the 4 yr old one), whenever his parents tell him "I will smack you in the hand" when he acts inappropriately just laughs it off and always thinks no matter what he does is fine. He never gets the smacking though.

[stevewool]

i was lucky you may say , coming from a very large family and being one of the youngest we did not get a slipper or a beating or what ever you may call it, but i can remember my older bros and sisters getting a beating, sticks and what ever came into the hands who was giving it, was it the norm in those days it seems so if you spoke to your friends at the time,
I can remember being beaten up one day at school, because i was cheeky to a lady teacher, her male lover who was a teacher at the same school, came straight up to me and gave me a good hiding and kicking and because i tried to defend myself he attacked me even worst, i was 12 at the time,
I dare not go home to tell my parents because i thought it was my fault for being cheeky, how times have changed, for the best yes, and there is nothing worst then seeing some grub of a parent shouting abuse at a baby in a pushchair, just my own thoughts

[KeithD]

The threat of a slap across the back of the leg should be a strong deterrent. If it is used too often then it becomes meaningless.

[Terpe]

My childhood was spent with a violent father.
Beatings for any perceived mistake was commonplace.

Despite that......from my own frame-of-reference.... beatings, slaps, smacks etc were NEVER a deterrent. Period

Children need good parenting not good hidings.

To say "it never did me any harm" is neither true nor good reason. IMHO

[les_taxi]

The threat of a slap across the back of the leg should be a strong deterrent. If it is used too often then it becomes meaningless.

Yes after having a few myself it worked, I'm all for it when a child loses its head.

Really annoys me when people lump it in with child beating, not the same at all

[Terpe]

.....Really annoys me when people lump it in with child beating, not the same at all

Where's the borderline Les ??
Much too murky for clever definitions.

Safest position is zero tolerance IMO

[les_taxi]

Ok it's easy a slap on the back of the legs is fairly easy to imagine, beating your child with belts,fists etc is beating a child and is totally different.

I am a child brought up in the 60s with occasional slap, could be by parents, teachers or police - all were allowed.

Soon taught me discipline and I rarely was a bad kid.
no mental hangovers from it,no recurring nightmares as I wasn't beaten up.

i totally agree with it being used in moderation :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

My siblings and I were hit with belts and some other things when we were kids (and I don't know any of my friends who were not hit by their parents when they were kids), usually when all of us were fighting with each other or were reasoning out to my parents and shouting at them when we did something wrong. There were even times that my dad tied my brothers on each end of the bed because they won't stop fighting. :icon_lol:

Once I tried puffing a cigarette when I was in gradeschool and a neighbour saw me and told my mum. When I got home, my mum was so mad and threw a slippers on me and it went straight to my eye. I was grounded and locked in the room the rest of the day until some relatives visited us that night. Hahaha..:icon_lol: But that from that moment, I got scared of trying things that I know will be prohibited.

My siblings and I all respect and have high regards of my parents, grandparents, and other relatives older than us. You will never hear us swearing in front of them. None of us got spoiled or became a brat. Not one of us had a rebellious life. But I see the difference with my two nephews (aged 8 and 4) who never got the spank or been told off when they do nasty things, especially the 4 yr.old. We just can't control him and he always get what he likes. :NoNo:

We're not too dissimilar after all Rayna. Looks like it's a worldwide thing. This is apparently progress.

[gWaPito]

Yes after having a few myself it worked, I'm all for it when a child loses its head.

Really annoys me when people lump it in with child beating,not the same at all

Exactly...a reprimand is quite different to senseless beatings

[les_taxi]

Exactly...a reprimand is quite different to senseless beatings

Totally but as usual it gets turned into something more sinister:doh

[gWaPito]

My childhood was spent with a violent father.
Beatings for any perceived mistake was commonplace.

Despite that......from my own frame-of-reference.... beatings, slaps, smacks etc were NEVER a deterrent. Period

Children need good parenting not good hidings.

To say "it never did me any harm" is neither true nor good reason. IMHO
I don't agree

It's true in my elder siblings case. It worked in schools as well. ...teachers were on the whole respected.
Authority was respected.

None of that now.

[les_taxi]

Well said Gwapito, you cant say a beating is a slap - lumping them all together is misrepresenting the point :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Terpe]

Well said Gwapito, you cant say a beating is a slap - lumping them all together is misrepresenting the point :xxgrinning--00xx3:

The question is where and how do you make the definition?

My belief is that it just wasn't possible that's why zero tolerance.

Even without defining 'slap'....is there a difference between a 'slap' on the hand, leg, face ear etc

[Terpe]

.I don't agree

What don't you agree ??

Read what I posted........it was from my own frame of reference. Means I shared my experience.
There's nothing to agree or disagree.....

[joebloggs]

To say "it never did me any harm" is neither true nor good reason. IMHO

and it never did you good if your beating your kids up :doh

[Terpe]

and it never did you good if your beating your kids up :doh

Seems to be my turn in the barrel at the mo :Erm:

What I said was "To say it never did me any harm is neither true nor good reason. IMHO"

Means it DID do me harm.
Means there's no reason AT ALL to inflict violence.

And basically I DO believe that such behaviour often shows itself later with the family environment......but it's not a done deal to be so by any means.

I'll duck out of this thread.

[joebloggs]

Well said Gwapito,you cant say a beating is a slap - lumping them all together is misrepresenting the point :xxgrinning--00xx3:

so what is ok, a slap, a cane or slipper, a punch ?

it's a sad society that punishes and teaches kids violence is ok, especially when carried out by your parents and teachers, those that are supposed to protect you :NoNo:

when i was about 12, it was the school lunch break, me and a few friends had walked to the local shops, later on i got called to go to the headmasters office, sat there were my friends, no idea why we had been called there, next thing we all had the cane whacked across our fingers, the crime, we had walked across someone lawn :yikes:,

i had never been in trouble b4, i don't remember what happened next but i was taken home, i cant remember if my mom did anything about it as my dad had died the year b4.

but if that happened today to little joe, well i would take legal proceedings against the headmaster, the school and local authority, i wouldn't stop til he was sacked.

violence of any sort has no place in a modern society.

[joebloggs]

Seems to be my turn in the barrel at the mo :Erm:

What I said was "To say it never did me any harm is neither true nor good reason. IMHO"

Means it DID do me harm.
Means there's no reason AT ALL to inflict violence.

And basically I DO believe that such behaviour often shows itself later with the family environment......but it's not a done deal to be so by any means.

I'll duck out of this thread.

:doh you get me wrong peter, my point was its a vicious cycle, from parent to child, and to their children.

you owe your kids everything :wink:

[bigmarco]

Children need good parenting not good hidings.

To say "it never did me any harm" is neither true nor good reason. IMHO

:xxgrinning--00xx3: I agree.
Resorting to violence is IMO an admission of failure in both parenting and teaching skills.

It cannot be justified because it was done to us. Personally never really understand how people can hit someone they are supposed to love.

[les_taxi]

What a load of tosh on here:bigcry: You are all failing to distinguish between a beating and a little slap on the legs.

This country is turning into a namby pampy apologistic pile of crap.

I'm sure you will object to conkers without goggles, no snowballs as it's dangerous etc etc.

Totally disagree with the exaggerated comments on this post, beating is a no no agreed, but little slap on legs - blimey!

Where does a slap become a beating you say? Well thats self explanatory.

So by the same theory I'm as dunk after 1 pint as 12 as it's all the same :doh

[Terpe]

What a load of tosh on here :bigcry: You are all failing to distinguish between a beating and a little slap on the legs.

This country is turning into a namby pamby apologistic pile of crap.

I'm sure you will object to conkers without goggles, no snowballs as it's dangerous etc etc.

Totally disagree with the exaggerated comments on this post, beating is a no no agreed but little slap on legs - blimey!

Where does a slap become a beating you say? Well thats self explanatory.

So by the same theory I'm as dunk after 1 pint as 12 as it's all the same :doh

Come on then Les what is it in your opinion that can be defined as OK ??

Forget beatings etc lets just focus on the word 'slap'.

1. What do YOU define as slap
2. Where on the body would you not allow it.

Your analagy with being drunk is a good one.............nobody could define "drunk" except for agreeing on a blood level reading. Whether the individual or anyone else agreed the person was drunk or not doesn't matter. In law if the blood/alcohol reading is at or above a certain level you're legally drunk. Period
In law no such thing as just a little bit drunk not really drunk

With a slap how can you define a level of force? How can it be measured? It can't.

One mans slap is another's thumping.
That's my opinion. I see plenty of little kids getting 'slapped' in the town. It's violence. Period. Simple because the parents are stressed and refuse to provide an explanation to the child.

So whats a little slap?
Whats a big slap?

Are you say a little slap is OK but a big slap is not?

[joebloggs]

What a load of tosh on here :bigcry: You are all failing to distinguish between a beating and a little slap on the legs.

This country is turning into a namby pampy apologistic pile of crap.

I'm sure you will object to conkers without goggles,no snowballs as it's dangerous etc etc.

Totally disagree with the exaggerated comments on this post, beating is a no no agreed but little slap on legs - blimey!

Where does a slap become a beating you say? Well thats self explanatory.

So by the same theory I'm as dunk after 1 pint as 12 as it's all the same :doh

do you have a slap scale ?
i mean does the kid have to cry, surely if its a deterrent the child will need to feel pain ?
do you keep slapping with heavier slaps until the child cries or if they don't its not a deterrent :Erm:

[raynaputi]

I remember when I was in first year highschool. My teacher clearly prohibited us swearing, whether in front of her or not. There will be a rotation of who will be listing the names of students in the class swearing. And by homeroom subject time, this will be given to our teacher. What she did was not hit my classmates. She rubbed a teaspoon of salt to the students' tongues. My classmates said it didn't hurt, but what made them stop swearing was the fact that after my teacher did the first student, she will go rubbed salt on another student's tongue without washing her hand. The yucky scene stopped my classmates from swearing, at least during our highschool years. :icon_lol:

[Terpe]

In addition to a slap scale we would also need to apply an age scale.
Surely a little slap should not be applied to a baby?
Surely a little slap would have no impact on a 13 year old?

[grahamw48]

By the time my brother and I were in our teens (dad was away at sea), my mum had to resort to a broom handle or similar to achieve the desired effect.

Yes, it stung for a while, but we used to laugh about it later....in fact at the time, seeing her angry face. Nervous tension I suppose.

All a matter of degree.

The next day we'd be on the Rugby field getting booted in the head.

[les_taxi]

In addition to a slap scale we would also need to apply an age scale.
Surely a little slap should not be applied to a baby?
Surely a little slap would have no impact on a 13 year old?

Yer posts get dafter and more pedantic as you go-on,yes I'm all for kicking the crap out of babies too-lets stick their dummies in tabasco.

I will leave this subject because I'm wasting my time with reading such ridiculous comments :doh

[grahamw48]

Come on guys.

It's the season of goodwill. :ReadIt:


Heck, even I've just been next door, fixing my Mormon neighbour's garage door for him. :biggrin:

[les_taxi]

I don't want to fall out with anyone so best I resist comments on this subject,my opinion is clear :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

Haven't you got a taxi to drive ?

...as I used to say to one of my claimants at the dole office. :icon_lol:

[gWaPito]

Yer posts get dafter and more pedantic as you go-on, yes I'm all for kicking the crap out of babies too - lets stick their dummies in tabasco.

I will leave this subject because I'm wasting my time with reading such ridiculous comments :doh

You've got a point. We all know what a slap is we all know what a reprimand is. ..We are also all too well aware what a beating. You don't need to waste hours on end trying to define the difference. .Goodness me :doh

What i want to know is. ..is there any more like Rayna left in the Philippines? ???

[Terpe]

Yer posts get dafter and more pedantic as you go-on, yes I'm all for kicking the crap out of babies too - lets stick their dummies in tabasco.

I will leave this subject because I'm wasting my time with reading such ridiculous comments :doh

I thought it was thread prompting discussion. I try to avoid those topics that usually lead to members getting personal.

I was under the impression a forum discussion was just that a discussion of points.

Why are you getting personal?

If the law is specific why not discuss it........

[sentinent]

My siblings and I were hit with belts and some other things when we were kids (and I don't know any of my friends who were not hit by their parents when they were kids), usually when all of us were fighting with each other or were reasoning out to my parents and shouting at them when we did something wrong. There were even times that my dad tied my brothers on each end of the bed because they won't stop fighting. :icon_lol:



Once I tried puffing a cigarette when I was in gradeschool and a neighbour saw me and told my mum. When I got home, my mum was so mad and threw a slippers on me and it went straight to my eye. I was grounded and locked in the room the rest of the day until some relatives visited us that night. Hahaha..:icon_lol: But that from that moment, I got scared of trying things that I know will be prohibited.

My siblings and I all respect and have high regards of my parents, grandparents, and other relatives older than us. You will never hear us swearing in front of them. None of us got spoiled or became a brat. Not one of us had a rebellious life. But I see the difference with my two nephews (aged 8 and 4) who never got the spank or been told off when they do nasty things, especially the 4 yr.old. We just can't control him and he always get what he likes. :NoNo:

A sensible post I think. This poster has more that a passing acquaintance with reality. Everyone needs boundaries. Is there anything worse than a mardy and selfish child who knows that whatever they say or do they will not get a smack? I think a child needs to appreciate from a very young age that anti-social actions have consequences.

[Arthur Little]

Folks ... it has to be said, :iagree: with Les. There IS a difference - a HUGE difference - between a skelp reasonably~administered by a parent's hand (or slipper) on a child's bare legs and/or buttocks AND the sheer brutality involved in the use of clenched fists, "shod" feet or hard stick, for example. Punching, kicking or using any blunt instrument as a means of disciplining youngsters is, at best, cowardly - at worst, downright sadistic - and will, ultimately, defeat the whole purpose of the exercise.

Notice I mentioned the [least harmful] sites for the slap ... it should NOT be inflicted anywhere above the lower body area(s) and most certainly NEVER on - or near - the head :nono-1-1: ... since so-doing would, by definition, be tantamount to an actual beating - with potentially tragic - even lethal - consequences were it carried out indiscriminately during a fit of anger. :xxaction-smiley-047

[KeithD]

You can't define a slap, the same way as you cannot define how much force a police officer can use in an arrest, nor a home owner on a burglar. It all depends on the circumstances, who is prosecuting and the judge. But their are plenty of lines drawn in law that have grey areas.

Who started this bloody debate? :xxparty-smiley-004:

[Michael Parnham]

Strong words from my father was the best deterrent in my case. I remember once, he shouted upstairs to get me out of bed so that I was not late for school and five minutes later he came upstairs and poured half a bucket of water on me also I had to sleep on a wet mattress for a week after that, I never stepped out of line ever again!:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[KeithD]

.... and poured half a bucket of water on me also I had to sleep on a wet mattress for a week after that, I never stepped out of line ever again! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Who says water boarding doesn't work? :biggrin:

[sars_notd_virus]

As a parent I believe there is no such thing as ''smart parenting '' !!..there is no perfect parent in this world as there is no perfect child...our children when they were born have got a brain of their own, even though we might believe we are raising them good, the aspects of the environment and culture can change or affect their behaviours....So it is more important to praise them when they are good than to slap them when they are bad. :smile:

[grahamw48]

I agree....and by setting a good example for them. :smile:

...Having said that, I've always warned my boy about turning out like me, with which I'm happy to say, he always agreed. :cwm25:

[stevewool]

one of the problems i had a young father at work was when i got home from work my then wife would flip out on what the kids have been up to, like the saying wait till your father gets home, its too late saying something a few hours later when the kids have no idea what i was on about,

Like i said before, we are all adults and most have been through s--- to get here, just be nice and try to tell the young what is right and what is wrong,

My grandson who is 3 is a clever boy but does get upset if his mum says she is going to tell grandad if hes been naughty, we talk about it and hug and a kiss after the tears, usually works for a few minutes then hes back to his ways

[SimonH]

:Erm: The undebatable debate.


As far as the scale thing is concerned, then as a last resort my child will get a controlled and measured smack on the back of the legs or backside (number 1 on the scale). Anyone else else thinking they have the right to administer such a punishment will get a beating (number 10 on the scale).

[KeithD]

:Erm: The undebatable debate.

Most guys like a good mass debate :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

Most guys like a good mass debate :xxgrinning--00xx3:

always better to have it done for ya

[joebloggs]

What a load of tosh on here:bigcry: You are all failing to distinguish between a beating and a little slap on the legs.

This country is turning into a namby pampy apologistic pile of crap.

I'm sure you will object to conkers without goggles, no snowballs as it's dangerous etc etc.

Totally disagree with the exaggerated comments on this post, beating is a no no agreed, but little slap on legs - blimey!

Where does a slap become a beating you say? Well thats self explanatory.

So by the same theory I'm as dunk after 1 pint as 12 as it's all the same :doh

les have you got kids ?
so we're talking about a little slap on the legs, so that's a deterrent is it :wink:

and the next day what do you do, give them a harder slap because they didn't learn from the day b4 :wink:


You've got a point. We all know what a slap is we all know what a reprimand is. ..We are also all too well aware what a beating. You don't need to waste hours on end trying to define the difference. .Goodness me

gWapito you've said you've never touched your kids, why are you in favour of slapping then :cwm25:

[grahamw48]

I haven't had to touch mine either, but that doesn't mean I'm not in favour of slapping...when needed and used appropriately.

My ex had no qualms about slapping them.

[joebloggs]

so your ex thought they needed a slap and she carried out the slapping and your in favour of it, but never did it yourself :Erm:

i think once you turn to name calling, using insults and any sort of violence you've lost the argument and you've lost your self respect, but hey that's my opinion and your all entitled to your own :wink:

remember you owe your kids everything (except a 'little slap' )

[fred]

I agree with Les. Totally.
I find this topic more annoying than that old banning smokers in pubs debate.

[gWaPito]

What don't you agree ??

Read what I posted........it was from my own frame of reference. Means I shared my experience.
There's nothing to agree or disagree.....

I've read what you've posted, thank you very much.

To say "it never did me any harm" is neither true nor good reason. IMHO '' Which is what most of us are saying here....'It never did me any harm' and it didn't. It's true

This '' I don't agree '' business comes from you, Peter..you've said this many times.

I highlighted what I didnt agree on..I thought that would of given you a clue

[gWaPito]

I haven't had to touch mine either, but that doesn't mean I'm not in favour of slapping...when needed and used appropriately.

My ex had no qualms about slapping them.

Exactly...That was my wife's (1st wife) department. I did the important stuff like bring home the bacon :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

so your ex thought they needed a slap and she carried out the slapping and your in favour of it, but never did it yourself :Erm:

i think once you turn to name calling, using insults and any sort of violence you've lost the argument and you've lost your self respect, but hey that's my opinion and your all entitled to your own :wink:

remember you owe your kids everything (except a 'little slap' )

Joe, the older ones were stepchildren. Not my place to even think about striking them. :NoNo:

I can't really remember her striking our boy, maybe a small slap now and then.
She had a sharp tongue, but generally we were a happy and peaceful lot. Anyway, they've all turned out great. :smile:

[les_taxi]

I agree with Les. Totally.
I find this topic more annoying than that old banning smokers in pubs debate.

Thanks for Rep fred :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

so your ex thought they needed a slap and she carried out the slapping and your in favour of it, but never did it yourself :Erm:

i think once you turn to name calling, using insults and any sort of violence you've lost the argument and you've lost your self respect, but hey that's my opinion and your all entitled to your own :wink:

remember you owe your kids everything (except a 'little slap' )

Remember, your kids are still small and manageable...let's give it a few years then see how you feel. Not good to lecture those who've already completed the course while you are just starting out :biggrin::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

me a newbie :biggrin:
ones 24 already gWapito, 13 and 7 - never needed to 'little slap' them :wink:

so your talking about a 'little slap' in their teens or 20's gWapito :yikes:
i've still got that to come, i doubt it, I'm a bit too old, wiser and bigger to be 'little slapping' kids or anyone and what ever they do, its not the end of the world, i've been thru worse :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

always better to have it done for ya

I agree :xxgrinning--00xx3: I've taken to sitting on my hand ..the same effect without the expense and earache :doh

[gWaPito]

me a newbie :biggrin:
ones 24 already gWapito, 13 and 7 - never needed to 'little slap' them :wink:

so your talking about a 'little slap' in their teens or 20's gWapito :yikes:
i've still got that to come, i doubt it, I'm a bit too old, wiser and bigger to be 'little slapping' kids or anyone and what ever they do, its not the end of the world, i've been thru worse :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Alright alright..I thought you were just starting out on this parenthood lark :icon_sorry:

It's true, it's not the end of the world and yes, I've been through worse as well. I know I'm enjoying it more now than when I was in my 20s. You can't buy experience

[London_Manila]

A good thrashing with a birch never did anyone any harm

This softly softly approach to bringing up kids just means we end up with loads of yobs with no respect

Of course i am not advocating any child cruelty here but if a brat steps over the line then he needs to be taught a lesson

These days these experts would advise you to make your child sit on the naughty step !

Todays kids just laugh at you and give you their middle finger

[joebloggs]

A good thrashing with a birch never did anyone any harm

This softly softly approach to bringing up kids just means we end up with loads of yobs with no respect

Of course i am not advocating any child cruelty here but if a brat steps over the line then he needs to be taught a lesson

These days these experts would advise you to make your child sit on the naughty step !

Todays kids just laugh at you and give you their middle finger

maybe the parents should be birched too :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[SimonH]

maybe the parents should be birched too :xxgrinning--00xx3:


There's a few that could do with it :wink:

[andy222]

Discipline at home! I look at it this way. Under my roof they abide to my rules. End of. Like I said my kids have bought no trouble they both have jobs and pay taxes and Im proud of them. Each to his own I guess.

[KeithD]

maybe the parents should be birched too :xxgrinning--00xx3:
Especially if they are Mancs :biggrin:

[andy222]

Especially if they are Mancs :biggrin:
No just the ones who follow united.:icon_lol:. Oh sorry they are not really mancs.:biggrin:

[Ako Si Jamie]

Man Utd fans are well behaved. They have to be - living in Singapore.

[joebloggs]

There's a few that could do with it :wink:

your right there, you wonder if kids pick the bad language and attitude from their parents :cwm25:


Breaking news.......... scum queue for free food so they have more to spend on booze, fags and little Billy's xbox game :wink:

[Iani]

Interesting debate

Not so long ago, this was on a tv show - This Morning I think, and they had a pro smacking guy being interviewed. He came out with the most ridiculous, desperate and (to me) sickening load of rubbish phrase I've possibly ever heard....... giving the children a "loving smack".

WTF!
Just be a man and say it - I hit my children because I think it's the best sort of discipline available, because their minds aren't developed enough to understand reasoning and explanation to the undesirability of their current actions, and therefore painful shock treatment is what I believe in. I don't like doing it, I love them to bits obviously, but they are kids and it's the only way I think works.
Loving smack? I've never heard anything so stupid!

Now this isn't my personal opinion necessarily - it's just my opinion of this man who was on the tv.

This however is where such a debate can split. I imagine too many parents hit their children out of their own frustrations and temper, rather than a discipline thing.
It also must always be remembered - children don't have anywhere as near a matured social and moral reasoning as adults.
If children ruled the country, we would be at war every day.

Would smacking children though still happen if adults were small and helpless, and children were big strapping blokes?

[Iani]

By the way, imagine if adults were treated like children.

If I made a mistake at work, instead of telling me off, the manager would take me into an office and she'd spank my bottom.

Now this is giving quite a disturbing image, not to mention making me wish she was more of a looker

[joebloggs]

Would smacking children though still happen if adults were small and helpless, and children were big strapping blokes?

true, your just bullying your own kids and they are living in fear of the next 'little slap' when they do something wrong.:NoNo:

being 6ft2" and 16stone, i don't want 4ft, 4 stone little joe ever to fear his dad :wink:

[sentinent]

So the age-old saying "Spare the rod and spoil the child" is useless verbiage? I think not. I also think another old saying "Give me the child and I will give you the man" has great meaning. If a child does something wrong as a child then that child should be aware that there will be consequences. And I do not mean a spell on the "naughty step" or being asked to draw a picture to show how they are feeling. If you do not introduce children to the notion of consequences when they are young they may well grow up thinking that there will be no consequences to their actions when they are adults. Many an adult in our penal system were not made aware by their parents or guardians that actions import consequences.

[Ako Si Jamie]

true, your just bullying your own kids and they are living in fear of the next 'little slap' when they do something wrong.:NoNo:

being 6ft2" and 16stone, i don't want 4ft, 4 stone little joe ever to fear his dad :wink:
It seems like you anti-smackers think that refraining from smacking will produce the perfect child, Joe.

I was smacked regularly but was never ever in fear, although I did learn my lesson.

[joebloggs]

It seems like you anti-smackers think that refraining from smacking will produce the perfect child, Joe.

I was smacked regularly but was never ever in fear, although I did learn my lesson.

and a 'little smack' creates the perfect child :biggrin: , as you was smacked more than once, it probably wasn't a deterrent then :wink:

also violence is never the answer, time will tell, but up to now I've never thought of, never mind actually smacking my kids, the misses, or even kicked the dog :wink:

[Ako Si Jamie]

and a 'little smack' creates the perfect child :biggrin: Not saying that at all. So long as the child is treated fairly, gets plenty of love and attention and doesn't get spoilt and have it's own way all the time, I reckon you're well on the way to having a decent kid in the making, whether or not they get smacked. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[KeithD]

Is their a connection between the lack of respect and responsibility these days in society with the lack of being able to give kids a slap?

[stevewool]

i am just thankful my children have been brought up with respect

[Michael Parnham]

i am just thankful my children have been brought up with respect

What a great ending to this topic Steve! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[fred]

Just made my self a coffee and left this page open.. Comes back in and my 15 year old daughter is reading it..
Quick clip round the ear and a gentle kick solved that..
I bet she wont do it again!!

[raynaputi]

Just made my self a coffee and left this page open.. Comes back in and my 15 year old daughter is reading it..
Quick clip round the ear and a gentle kick solved that..
I bet she wont do it again!!

:icon_lol:

[London_Manila]

Is their a connection between the lack of respect and responsibility these days in society with the lack of being able to give kids a slap?

Of course the chav nation this country now produces has never been given any kind of discipline

[joebloggs]

Of course the chav nation this country now produces has never been given any kind of discipline

well looking at what experts say..

'The evidence shows that the most prolific criminals start offending between the ages of 10 and 13,' said Julia Margo, associate director at IPPR and author of Make Me A Criminal, Preventing Youth Crime. 'You need to deal with the problem before it manifests. The biggest risk factor is not their behaviour, but their parents.'

But Margo said a total ban on smacking would also reduce the number of children turning to crime. 'There is a lot of evidence that children who are smacked regularly - once a week - are more likely to develop aggressive personality disorder,' said Margo. 'Hitting a child teaches them to act out on emotional impulses. We need to give out the message that children should be nurtured and taught to manage their behaviour. We should ban corporal punishment properly.'

It is a policy that many doctors oppose. 'This is an extremely important report,' said Rosalyn Proops, the child protection officer at the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health. 'Like all people, paediatricians have a variety of opinions. However, the majority believe that all forms of smacking are an assault of a child and should not take place.'

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2008/feb/10/children.justice



Why smacking is never a good idea

Parents may believe there are occasions when only a smack will work. For example, your child is very disobedient; your toddler runs into the road; or one of your children bites a playmate. It can be tempting to think a smack sorts out these incidents quickly, but it does nothing to teach your child about how you want them to behave.

Instead, it:

gives a bad example of how to handle strong emotions
may lead your child to hit or bully others
may encourage your child to lie, or hide feelings, to avoid smacking
can make defiant behaviour worse, so discipline gets even harder
leads to a resentful and angry child, damaging family relationships if it goes on for a long time.

Most parents behave in ways they later regret – be it excessive shouting or smacking. If it happens, say you're sorry, make up and try again. This teaches your child a valuable lesson.


http://www.nspcc.org.uk/help-and-advice/for-parents/positive-parenting-tips/encouraging-better-behaviour/better-behaviour_wda96810.html


In a study published in Pediatrics, researchers at Tulane University provide the strongest evidence that smacking may make children act out more in the long run. Nearly 2,500 children were involved in the study and those who were smacked more frequently at the age of 3 were much more aggressive by age 5.

According to Dr. Catherine Taylor, community-health-sciences professor at Tulane, “The odds of a child being more aggressive at age 5 increased by 50% if he had been smacked more than twice in the month before the study began.”

http://www.bellybelly.com.au/child/smacking-children-should-you-smack-your-child


i take it this is what prompted you to make the post scouser Keith

Parents should be banned from smacking children, the Children's Commissioner for England, Maggie Atkinson, has said.

She told the Independent the law gave pets and adults more rights to protection from violence than children.

There was a legal "loophole around the fact that you can physically chastise your child", she added.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25529744

[les_taxi]

Wow this one is still running:Erm:

[joebloggs]

Wow this one is still running:Erm:

well maybe someone should have posted the expert opinions (like the NSPCC and Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health) sooner, unless some 'experts' know better on here :wink:

[les_taxi]

well maybe someone should have posted the expert opinions (like the NSPCC and Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health) sooner , unless some 'experts' know better on here
I'm not getting into this again with you Joe, but plenty of people on here totally disagree with you and the 'Experts,' might as well leave it now, it's getting boring.:doh

[joebloggs]

I'm not getting into this again with you Joe,but plenty of people on here totally disagree with you and the 'Experts,' might as well leave it now,it's getting boring.:doh

the thread is only 1 day old :doh, les if you don't like it don't read it
whether plenty or not, I'm entitled to my opinion whether you like it or not :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[sentinent]

the thread is only 1 day old :doh, les if you don't like it don't read it
whether plenty or not, I'm entitled to my opinion whether you like it or not :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Yes everyone is entitled their opinion. I doubt that anyone will change long-held views based on what others have to say on this topic. It is good that people can contribute to a post like this whatever their opinions. What is unacceptable is when posters with bigoted views attack others who hold opinions contrary to their own. I think that once this happens every poster should abandon the topic and move on. There is just no room for bigots in any forum - so do one please.

[tiger31]

"Wait till your father gets home" and then the belt never did me any harm :Erm:

I'm sure some on here will disagree :wink:

yes same here it was agony watch my dad slowly pull the leather belt from his jeans needless to say it did,nt do me any harm and I never got into trouble with the law ever. but I sure as hell did,nt get the belt much coz it hurt lol

[les_taxi]

Yes and so is everyone else, and trying to put down members views because you think 'so called experts' know better than some members on here who are parents and know exactly how to deal with their own children is pointless.

Why do you keep banging on about it, the feeling is mixed on here but it seems you are trying to convince the rest of of your view is the only correct one.

It's like you are trying to win an argument and won't stop til you do :Erm:

you won't win it Joe it's a matter of personal opinion from actual parents on here and it's pretty split.

Like Rayna says some of these threads are tiresome and put new members off, give it up or just keep going on like this, it's up to you.

[tiger31]

does that also apply to your misses too ?

i take all of you in favour also 'smacked' your kids ? and did your parents 'smack you'

i've got 2 kids and a stepkid, me or the misses have never needed to 'smack' them or give them a beating

well bully for you joe but in the real world most kids will play the game to see how far they can take you. you have been lucky in my opinion how you bring your kids up is only a part of the problem, the reason why our country is in a mess now is because of lack of discipline at home and at school. I don,t need or want anyone telling me how to bring my kids up after all the government can,t even run the country properly half the times and i,m supposed to listen on how to raise kids. I will say it again the reason our country is ....ed up is because of all the rules and regulations that have been brought in by various previous governments we did,nt have half the problems we have now because mommy stayed at home and dad brought in the money.

[tiger31]

Just made my self a coffee and left this page open.. Comes back in and my 15 year old daughter is reading it..
Quick clip round the ear and a gentle kick solved that..
I bet she wont do it again!!
:laugher::laugher::laugher:

[joebloggs]

Yes and so is everyone else, and trying to put down members views because you think 'so called experts' know better than some members on here who are parents and know exactly how to deal with their own children is pointless.

Why do you keep banging on about it, the feeling is mixed on here but it seems you are trying to convince the rest of of your view is the only correct one.

It's like you are trying to win an argument and won't stop til you do :Erm:

or just keep going on like this it's up to you.

experts who have many years of experience dealing with 1000s of kids , The NSPCC don't know what they are talking about :wink:


Joe,but plenty of people on here totally disagree with you and the 'Experts,' might as well leave it now

and then


it's a matter of personal opinion from actual parents on here and it's pretty split.

make your mind up les, is it
plenty or its
pretty split, anyway i am a parent, i've got 7yr old little joe next to me now :wink: you never answered my question if you're an actual parent... anyway your right time to end this one ,, I've posted some facts and nowt else to say :wink:

[joebloggs]

well bully for you joe but in the real world most kids will play the game to see how far they can take you. you have been lucky in my opinion how you bring your kids up is only a part of the problem, the reason why our country is in a mess now is because lack of discipline at home and at school. I don,t need or want anyone telling me how to bring my kids up after all the government can,t even run the country properly half the times and i,m supposed to listen on how to raise kids. I will say it again the reason our country is ....ed up is because of all the rules and regulations that have been brought in by various previous governments we did,nt have half the problems we have now because mommy stayed at home and dad brought in the money.


The biggest risk factor is not their behaviour, but their parents.':biggrin:

[les_taxi]

I agree to 'end it, 'I' am a parent too of 2, now aged 31 and 29, also a grandad :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Please shut this Thread down mods and let's all try to post some more cheerful stuff.

[joebloggs]

I agree to 'end it,' I' am a parent too of 2, now aged 31 and 29, also a grandad :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Please shut this Thread down mods and let's all try to post some more cheerful stuff.

:icon_lol: happy new year Les :biggrin:

[les_taxi]

Same to you joe :biggrin:

[SimonH]

Is it group hug time :grouphug:

[bigmarco]

Seems in this country cats and dogs are thought more of and better protected than children.

[SimonH]

Seems in this country cats and dogs are thought more of and better protected than children.


Right, that's it, I've had enough. I'm off to hit the dog and kick the cat just to prove you wrong :wink:

[tiger31]

Is it group hug time :grouphug:

except for joe as he is a wind up merchant and he knows it :biggrin:

[SimonH]

except for joe as he is a wind up merchant and he knows it :biggrin:


Nooooo, he's just misunderstood and needs a cuddle :wink:

[KeithD]

Experts are just other people with a view, usually based on data that is viewed in a biased way. Take for instance financial experts, they all have the same data set but come to many conclusions. It is the same for 'expert witnesses' in court, many of them have been discredited over the years.

[joebloggs]

Experts are just other people with a view, usually based on data that is viewed in a biased way. Take for instance financial experts, they all have the same data set but come to many conclusions. It is the same for 'expert witnesses' in court, many of them have been discredited over the years.

5yrs medical training and 5 yrs training to be a paediatrician gives you a bit of expertise in that field :wink:

sure you're right, no such thing as a free meal, someone always pays and if your paying they will somehow be able to conjure the report you want :biggrin:

but that depends on the professionalism of the person, a highly respected medical consultant who has held high positions in say a NHS trust compared to some 'Dr' who is not a medical doctor and doesn't have the same responsibilities but has done a masters, i know who i would believe :biggrin:

discredited by who thou ? by someone who is more highly respected ?

[joebloggs]

except for joe as he is a wind up merchant and he knows it :biggrin:

me wind people up :laugher:

all you kid 'slappers' :yikes: can have a :grouphug:

I've got to play 'punchies' with little joe :icon_lol:

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/21100000/Let-s-Play-Punchies-regular-show-21182336-300-171.gif

[KeithD]

5yrs medical training and 5 yrs training to be a paediatrician gives you a bit of expertise in that field :wink:
discredited by who thou ? by someone who is more highly respected ?

There have been many expert witnesses more qualified than that who have been discredited by using statistics incorrectly. One of the countries leading expert witnesses in cot deaths was eventually shown to be only an expert in misreading statistics :crazy: Roy Meadow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Meadow)

[Arthur Little]

One of the country's leading expert witnesses in cot deaths was eventually shown to be only an expert in misreading statistics :crazy: Roy Meadow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Meadow)

:gp: ... "there are lies ... damn lies ... and statistics!!!" :wink:

[Ako Si Jamie]

I don't believe for one minute that smacking turns a kid bad regardless what the 'experts' say. It could be a number of factors but the lack of nurturing, love and support would most likely be the number one reason.

[raynaputi]

I got smacked plenty of times when I was in gradeschool because of frequently shouting at my parents whenever I reason out and fighting with my siblings.. I don't think I turned out a bad person. :Erm: It also didn't make me think my parents were doing it the wrong way. In fact, seeing one of my classmates with a big belt mark in the face (he said that time when his dad was gonna smack him on his butt, he mistakenly hit him on his face when he was trying to run away :cwm25:, not sure how it happened though) made me think my parents were too soft with us! :omg:

Some said that being smacked when you were a kid might/may become a cycle with their own kids. I don't have a child so I don't really know if that's true. I just smack Keith from time to time though..:icon_lol:

:xxparty-smiley-004:

[les_taxi]

I just smack Keith from time to time though.
That deserves some rep but I already gave you some yesterday :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

well there are 4 outcomes
you will have kids that had never been smacked who turned out ok
you will have kids that had never been smacked that turned out bad
you will have kids that had been smacked and turned out ok
you will have kids that had been smacked that turned out bad

the problem is every kid is an individual so no one can say how they will have turned out whether they were smacked or not.

without some reports of say looking at the prison population and finding out if they were smacked or not might give a rough idea but i'm sure its not that simple :wink:

thou i found this.. go to the table at After Effects of Physical Punishment
http://www.naturalchild.org/research/corporal_punishment.html

[raynaputi]

That deserves some rep but I already gave you some yesterday:xxgrinning--00xx3:

:icon_lol::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

C'mon Ded ... you're a great advocate of punitive action being meted out to wrongdoers. :cwm24: ... WHY, then - on this, of all threads - did you "choose to go into hiding"? :xxparty-smiley-004:

Speak up, man! :smile:

[London_Manila]

well looking at what experts say..

'The evidence shows that the most prolific criminals start offending between the ages of 10 and 13,' said Julia Margo, associate director at IPPR and author of Make Me A Criminal, Preventing Youth Crime. 'You need to deal with the problem before it manifests. The biggest risk factor is not their behaviour, but their parents.'

But Margo said a total ban on smacking would also reduce the number of children turning to crime. 'There is a lot of evidence that children who are smacked regularly - once a week - are more likely to develop aggressive personality disorder,' said Margo. 'Hitting a child teaches them to act out on emotional impulses. We need to give out the message that children should be nurtured and taught to manage their behaviour. We should ban corporal punishment properly.'

It is a policy that many doctors oppose. 'This is an extremely important report,' said Rosalyn Proops, the child protection officer at the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health. 'Like all people, paediatricians have a variety of opinions. However, the majority believe that all forms of smacking are an assault of a child and should not take place.'

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2008/feb/10/children.justice



Why smacking is never a good idea

Parents may believe there are occasions when only a smack will work. For example, your child is very disobedient; your toddler runs into the road; or one of your children bites a playmate. It can be tempting to think a smack sorts out these incidents quickly, but it does nothing to teach your child about how you want them to behave.

Instead, it:

gives a bad example of how to handle strong emotions
may lead your child to hit or bully others
may encourage your child to lie, or hide feelings, to avoid smacking
can make defiant behaviour worse, so discipline gets even harder
leads to a resentful and angry child, damaging family relationships if it goes on for a long time.

Most parents behave in ways they later regret – be it excessive shouting or smacking. If it happens, say you're sorry, make up and try again. This teaches your child a valuable lesson.


http://www.nspcc.org.uk/help-and-advice/for-parents/positive-parenting-tips/encouraging-better-behaviour/better-behaviour_wda96810.html


In a study published in Pediatrics, researchers at Tulane University provide the strongest evidence that smacking may make children act out more in the long run. Nearly 2,500 children were involved in the study and those who were smacked more frequently at the age of 3 were much more aggressive by age 5.

According to Dr. Catherine Taylor, community-health-sciences professor at Tulane, “The odds of a child being more aggressive at age 5 increased by 50% if he had been smacked more than twice in the month before the study began.”

http://www.bellybelly.com.au/child/smacking-children-should-you-smack-your-child


i take it this is what prompted you to make the post scouser Keith

Parents should be banned from smacking children, the Children's Commissioner for England, Maggie Atkinson, has said.

She told the Independent the law gave pets and adults more rights to protection from violence than children.

There was a legal "loophole around the fact that you can physically chastise your child", she added.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25529744

Omg these types would have you locked up for even scolding a child

You can find so called experts on anything but that does not mean that they are right, normally these so called experts are just pushing their own agenda normally based on who funds them

Sorry Joe some unruly delinquents need some respect beaten into them
Unpalatable to you it may seem but your softly softly approach would just get laughed at
Try taking that approach with the yobs in gangs based in south london

[Ako Si Jamie]

C'mon Ded ... you're a great advocate of punitive action being meted out to wrongdoers. :cwm24: ... WHY, then - on this, of all threads - did you "choose to go into hiding"? :xxparty-smiley-004:

Speak up, man! :smile:Perhaps he's been sent to the naughty step! :icon_lol:

[sentinent]

Omg these types would have you locked up for even scolding a child

You can find so called experts on anything but that does not mean that they are right, normally these so called experts are just pushing their own agenda normally based on who funds them

Sorry Joe some unruly delinquents need some respect beaten into them
Unpalatable to you it may seem but your softly softly approach would just get laughed at
Try taking that approach with the yobs in gangs based in south london

I absolutely agree with this. Stuff the "naughty step" approach. If society as a whole adopted this daft strategy we would all be off to Hell in a handcart. Good post London_Manila. And a Happy New Year to all.

[bigmarco]

J
Try taking that approach with the yobs in gangs based in south london

I think you'll find that the majority of these yobs exist because of a lack of parental control and a breakdown of the family unit. Its not a slapping that they lack its the fact that most of them probably wouldn't know their dad if they walked past him in the street.

[joebloggs]

Omg these types would have you locked up for even scolding a child

You can find so called experts on anything but that does not mean that they are right, normally these so called experts are just pushing their own agenda normally based on who funds them

Sorry Joe some unruly delinquents need some respect beaten into them
Unpalatable to you it may seem but your softly softly approach would just get laughed at
Try taking that approach with the yobs in gangs based in south london

:Erm: 5yrs med school, 2 years foundation training and 5 yrs specialist training to be a paediatrician , plus many years of experience from seeing 1000's of kids i think they can call themselves experts :biggrin: oh and lets not forget many are parents themselves :wink:

i suppose you tell the garage what the exact fault is on your car, or the gas engineer what the fault is on your boiler but then people know better than paediatricians and psychiatrists :biggrin:

you probably didn't look at the last link i posted,http://www.naturalchild.org/research/corporal_punishment.html have a look at the table, look at the row most Violent inmates at San Quentin and it looks to me
respect beaten into them didn't work because they are in prison , and highly dangerous now :doh

also this thread has gone from a
little slap to
respect beaten into them, i take it you wouldn't beat respect into a child or give a teenager a little slap

my misses has had to deal with children with bruises and injures in A&E and contacted social services when she and other medical staff have been concerned as they are trained to do, that maybe Unpalatable to you, but that's the procedure,

as for beating
unruly delinquents and the gangs let the courts and police deal with them, if you think justice is not being done contact your MP and complain to the courts.

this is my last post on this :biggrin:, no it is..

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL :xxgrinning--00xx3:

http://www.9to5gifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/happy-new-year-colorful-animation-gif.gif

[les_taxi]

Your last post on this! Halalula

[tiger31]

Your last post on this! Halalula

:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[KeithD]

I usually go to Amsterdam for a slapping session for being a naughty boy :action-smiley-081: ..... this is the S&M forum isn't it? :Erm:

[SimonH]

I usually go to Amsterdam for a slapping session for being a naughty boy :action-smiley-081: ..... this is the S&M forum isn't it? :Erm:

This is you, isn't it :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0TJozRzkkI

[London_Manila]

:Erm: 5yrs med school, 2 years foundation training and 5 yrs specialist training to be a paediatrician , plus many years of experience from seeing 1000's of kids i think they can call themselves experts :biggrin: oh and lets not forget many are parents themselves :wink:

i suppose you tell the garage what the exact fault is on your car, or the gas engineer what the fault is on your boiler but then people know better than paediatricians and psychiatrists :biggrin:

you probably didn't look at the last link i posted,http://www.naturalchild.org/research/corporal_punishment.html have a look at the table, look at the row most Violent inmates at San Quentin and it looks to me into them didn't work because they are in prison , and highly dangerous now :doh

also this thread has gone from a to , i take it you wouldn't beat respect into a child or give a teenager a little slap

my misses has had to deal with children with bruises and injures in A&E and contacted social services when she and other medical staff have been concerned as they are trained to do, that maybe Unpalatable to you, but that's the procedure,

as for beating and the gangs let the courts and police deal with them, if you think justice is not being done contact your MP and complain to the courts.

this is my last post on this :biggrin:, no it is..

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL :xxgrinning--00xx3:

http://www.9to5gifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/happy-new-year-colorful-animation-gif.gif

My point was these cretins that join gangs and cause as much bother as they can to normal people would not be acting like that if they had a bloody good beating when they were younger
A type of beating that would put the fear of god into them

The courts are overrun with these idiots and its too late to do anything with them now

You are still allowed to beat your child as long as you dont leave any bruises
This kind of pc bullshit makes me sick

Next time you pass a group of thugs on the street joe just go and try your softly softly approach
Every town has a group of idiots hanging around up to no good so they wont be hard to find

[malditako]

Occasional slap wouldnt do harm when kids are really as long as they feel loved at home all the time. Discipline starts at home :)

[London_Manila]

J

I think you'll find that the majority of these yobs exist because of a lack of parental control and a breakdown of the family unit. Its not a slapping that they lack its the fact that most of them probably wouldn't know their dad if they walked past him in the street.

Yes good point :smile:

[fred]

I didnt get too involved with this smacking thread because..As I said..I dont like Politicians or a BIG government telling me how to bring up my kids!!..
The thing is,I dont advise any new parent or those with youngsters of any age to smack their kids in order to discipline them..
Thats because I mind my own business.. Each parent is responsible for their childrens general behaviour and its each parents job in life to teach their kids in the best way they know how and to mould them into young adults we can be proud of.
I dont believe in spoiling kids to make me feel better short term!!
If you love something ...Why spoil it?
If I see kids that come out of a house battered and bruised,Im gonna ask questions until I find out if the kid is OK..That is my social responsibility and conscience working..Not a new law telling me how to be a good parent. To be honest,if my questions are not answered then the Police and social services will know about it..
What I dont like is when society tells me to be a good responsible parent and then set rules that disable sensible options in case I feel I need them..
They cant have it both ways..It just aint gonna work.
I smacked my kids very rarely and along with many other disciplinary measures which I back up to this day,I have 3 very well grounded young adults that any parent would be proud of..
If you dont believe me..Ask my kids.

[grahamw48]

Good post Fred.

Proof is in the pudding, and all that. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Common sense....something often sadly lacking these days.

[Ako Si Jamie]

Common sense....something often sadly lacking these days.:xxgrinning--00xx3::iagree:

[les_taxi]

Can we put this thread out of it's misery now:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

I'm only replying cos I'm using my new Hudl tablet. Hahaha......carry on...:Cuckoo: