Malaysian Airlines MH370 Flight Incident

[irishman12]

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html

Sepang, 8 March 2014: Malaysian Airlines is still unable to establish any contact or determine the whereabouts of flight MH370.

[Dedworth]

Tragic

[gWaPito]

It made my blood run cold reading that :NoNo:

I used that same airline with my wife and 2 babies. I noticed there's 2 infants on the manifest

[Michael Parnham]

Very suspicious! :Erm:

[SimonH]

Some interesting reading, including the fact that 2 of the passengers were travelling on stolen passports :Erm:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-live-3219331

[Dedworth]

Just reading in the Telegraph that as well as the 2 stolen passports there's another 2 passengers with suspect passengers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10685413/Malaysia-Airlines-crash-terror-fears-over-stolen-passports-used-on-missing-plane-MH370.html

[KeithD]

I would imagine passengers on false passports in that part of the world was normal.

Until the black boxes are recovered, it is not worth wasting time talking about what happened. This can take years, as the Air France crash off the coast of Brazil took 3 years to come to a conclusion: Basically pilot error :doh

[Slip]

We have a contract at work with Malaysian airlines and the man in charge of the flights here was telling me that he knows the two pilots and they have 10's of years experience between them....

I would say for no mayday message to be sent before it disappeared then something serious happened so quickly that nobody would have time to react.

[Harry T]

I would imagine passengers on false passports in that part of the world was normal.

Until the black boxes are recovered, it is not worth wasting time talking about what happened. This can take years, as the Air France crash off the coast of Brazil took 3 years to come to a conclusion: Basically pilot error :doh

Pilot error? No one knows. What we do know is, two stolen passports on an Interpol database were used. Obviously this raises some serious security questions. For instance, I am booked on a Phillipines flight to Manila in May, but they haven't asked for my passport details. It's a worry when reading of these things. It's all very well, but airlines need to cover basic security measures.

[gWaPito]

Pilot error?, no one knows. What we do know is, two stolen passports on an Interpol database were used, obviously this raises some serious security questions. For instance, I am booked on a Phillipines flight to Manila in May, but they haven't asked for my passport details. It's a worry when reading of these things. It's all very well but airlines need to cover basic security measures.

More than likely the plane was probably taken out by one of these pesky American drones. As for the innocent. .it's okay. .getting killed by friendly fire is perfectly acceptable nowadays :cwm25:

[KeithD]

Isn't it strange that in our hi-tech world, with satellites that can read a number plate, everything tracked by mobiles and GPS, we can lose a massive 777? :Erm:

[grahamw48]

For those interested in what they're saying on the 'Pilots' Forum' (+ a few wannabes and plane spotters).

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-52.html

[Steve.r]

For someone booked on a flight to Beijing next Sunday, it's a little worrying!!!

[grahamw48]

Have a safe journey Steve...and be prepared for extra security checks! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

Thanks for the negative rep, whoever issued it

:Erm:....Apparently my last post here wasn't nice. All tongue and cheek folks. :doh I was actually being ironic

[Steve.r]

Have a safe journey Steve...and be prepared for extra security checks! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Thanks Graham, I am sure there will be extra checks at NAIA for a few days. Maybe I won't pack my xbox.

[grahamw48]

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Another good site for updates and comment:

http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0

[gWaPito]

Isn't it strange that in our hi-tech world, with satellites that can read a number plate, everything tracked by mobiles and GPS, we can lose a massive 777? :Erm:

Careful...you're risking getting a clutch of negative reps :icon_lol:

I've clocked up 4 so far today.

I hope it's nothing I've said!

[SimonH]

Thanks for the negative rep, whoever issued it

:Erm:....Apparently my last post here wasn't nice. All tongue and cheek folks. :doh I was actually being ironic


He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy :icon_lol:

[gWaPito]

He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy :icon_lol:

Too many folks taking themselves far too seriously, then wonder why they're in the predicament they are in :cwm25:

[Dedworth]

Seems like the authorities are in some doubt as to the planes last known position - they're now talking about searching on the west side of the Malay peninsula

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26513506

[fred]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/11/mh370-malaysia-airlines-plane-search-continues-live
Inspector general of police identifies one person on stolen passport as Iranian:Malaysia’s inspector general of police has identified one of the passengers using a stolen passport as a 19 year old Iranian man and says it is “not likely” he is involved with a terrorism organisation.
“We have identified an Iranian by the name of Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad. He is 19 years old and he is an Iranian, we believe that he is an Iranian,” he said.
“We have been checking his background. He have also checked him with other police organisation on his profile and we believe that he is not likely to be a member of any terrorist group.”

“We believe that he is trying to migrate to Germany.”
The police chief said that they had not finalised their investigation on the other passenger who used a stolen passport.
“On the other person which travels on the stolen passport we are still conducting our investigation,” he sai

[Dedworth]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/11/mh370-malaysia-airlines-plane-search-continues-live
Inspector general of police identifies one person on stolen passport as Iranian:Malaysia’s inspector general of police has identified one of the passengers using a stolen passport as a 19 year old Iranian man and says it is “not likely” he is involved with a terrorism organisation.
“We have identified an Iranian by the name of Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad. He is 19 years old and he is an Iranian, we believe that he is an Iranian,” he said.
“We have been checking his background. He have also checked him with other police organisation on his profile and we believe that he is not likely to be a member of any terrorist group.”

“We believe that he is trying to migrate to Germany.”
The police chief said that they had not finalised their investigation on the other passenger who used a stolen passport.
“On the other person which travels on the stolen passport we are still conducting our investigation,” he sai


An illegal immigrant heading for Germany - shows the indirect routes these grubs use - :mad: doesn't say much for checking of passports

[fred]

The lack of not knowing what happened to this plane and its passengers 4 days after it went missing in this day and age is quite amazing to me.. Even suspicious.

Not even a single piece of floating debris?


Confusion surrounds details of missing plane, with discrepancies over time and last position, and odd reference to Mario Balotelli

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/11/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-search-missing-plane-balotelli

[fred]

Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Passengers' Mobile Phones Ring But Not Answered

According to China.org.cn (http://live.china.org.cn/2014/03/09/kl-beijing-flight-missing-rescue-underway/), 19 families have signed a joint statement saying that their family members' cell phones connected, but the calls hung up. The relatives have asked Malaysia Airlines to reveal any information they might be hiding, seeking an explanation for the eerie phone connections. The relatives have complained that the Malaysina Airlines is not responding as actively as it should.
Angry family members also threw water bottles at an MAS spokesman and threatened to protest in front of the Malaysian embassy in China if the airlines did not "disclose" the "truth".




http://uk.news.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-passengers-mobile-phones-074447403.html#noplxUT

[fred]

MH370: Did authorities visit crash site today (Tuesday)?
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/files/2014/03/6690211-610x457.jpg

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/03/11/mh370-did-authorities-visit-crash-site-today/

[KeithD]

This is starting to seem as though it's a depressurisation problem. The plane would have flown with everyone unconscious, or dead, until it ran out of fuel. Then the computers would keep the plane level and at flight speed until it landed on the water. Hence no wreckage. As no one was alive to open the doors, no lifejackets. The only problem with that theory is that it should still be floating. :Erm:

[grahamw48]

It wouldn't be the first time Keith.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGWgzB-ceD0

[fred]

The only problem with that theory is that it should still be floating. :Erm:

Perhaps it broke up into two big bits and sunk?
But why would the passengers mobiles phones have a ringing tone?

[Terpe]

....But why would the passengers mobiles phones have a ringing tone?

I just heard that report on the BBC news........
If those reports were correct (in the sense we all think) would that indicate land crash?

[grahamw48]

It would seem more likely.

Could it have come down in the middle of the Himalayas...not to be noticed or found for months ? :Erm:

Remember the one in the Andes, where they cannibalised the bodies ?

[RickyR]

Even with my limited aviation knowledge (Private Pilot) I find the whole situation so unusual. Particularly strange is how the 'secondary radar' information became unavailable, but primary radar shows it performing a U-turn. Essentially this means switching off the transponder devices (ADS-B/Transponder) so that the only returns were echos from the ground based radar. The governments seem to know about this U-turn after it disappeared from the civilian radars, because they were searching the Malacca Straits before this information was released.
I know that radar and communications is pretty scratchy in Asia, far from the blanket coverage in the UK and Europe.

Nothing adds up, all seems very bizarre. A modern 777 doesn't just disappear...

[Michael Parnham]

Very interesting comments from all members who have posted on this thread, I suppose the outcome will be a rather long time coming, we will just have to wait longer!:Erm:

[Terpe]

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Last communication revealed

The last communication received from a Malaysia Airlines plane suggests everything was normal on board minutes before it went missing over the South China Sea, Malaysian authorities say.

Flight MH370 replied "All right, roger that" to a radio message from Malaysian air control, authorities said.

The search has been widened to waters off both sides of the peninsula.

Meanwhile Chinese authorities have published images of what they suggest may be three pieces of wreckage.

The website of China's State Administration of Science carries three satellite images taken on Sunday - a day after the plane went missing.

The images, which appear to show fragments in the sea, were only published on Wednesday. Co-ordinates alongside them would place the objects in the South China Sea between Malaysia and Vietnam.

The China-bound plane went missing on Saturday with 239 people on board.

It vanished about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport, as it flew south of Vietnam's Ca Mau peninsula. No distress signal or message was sent.

'Confusing' information

Malaysian authorities revealed the plane's last communication at a news conference held in Beijing for relatives of the 154 Chinese who are among the missing passengers.

As the plane reached the boundary between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace, the Malaysian air control announced it was handing over to Ho Chi Minh City Control.

Minutes later, all contact with Flight MH370 was lost.

China's foreign ministry said there was "too much confusion" regarding the information released about the plane's flight path.

"It is very hard for us to decide whether a given piece of information is accurate," spokesman Qin Gang told reporters in Beijing.

Earlier on Wednesday, Malaysia's air force chief Rodzali Daud denied remarks attributed to him in local media that flight was tracked by military radar to the Malacca Strait, far west of its planned route.

Gen Rodzali Daud said he "did not make any such statements", but the air force had "not ruled out the possibility of an air turn-back".

Sighting?

Early search efforts focused on waters between Malaysia and Vietnam.

The search was later extended to the Malacca Strait and the Andaman Sea, off Malaysia's west coast, amid reports that the plane could have turned back.

Operations are now covering some 27,000 square nautical miles (92,000 sq km).

Malaysian authorities on Wednesday requested assistance from India in searching the Andaman Sea, north of the Malacca Strait.

Vietnam has confirmed an investigation into a possible sighting of the plane has so far yielded no results.

Vietnam's air traffic management earlier said it had received an email from a New Zealander working in one of the oil rigs off Vung Tau.

"He said he spotted a burning [object] at that location, some 300 km (200 miles) southeast of Vung Tau," deputy general director Doan Huu Gia said.

Officials still do not know what went wrong with the aircraft, and several leads pursued so far have proven not to be linked to the plane.

After more than four days of fruitless searching, there is an element of desperation creeping into this operation, the BBC's Jonathan Head in Kuala Lumpur reports.

'Shock at allegations'

Some 42 ships and 39 aircraft from several countries are taking part in the search for the plane.

Two-thirds of the passengers on board the plane were Chinese. Some were from a range of other Asian countries, North America or Europe.

Meanwhile, Malaysia Airlines said in a statement that it was "shocked" by reports made against its First Officer, Fariq Ab Hamid, who was the co-pilot of the missing flight.

A South African tourist told Australia's Channel Nine that she and her friend were invited to sit in the cockpit with Fariq Ab Hamid and the pilot during a flight in 2011, in an apparent breach of airline rules.

Malaysia Airlines said it took the reports "very seriously".

In the US, CIA Director John Brennan said the possibility of a terror link could not be ruled out. But he said "no claims of responsibility" over the missing jet had "been confirmed or corroborated".

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73522000/jpg/_73522823_china_malaysia_plane5_624.jpg

Source:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26541057

[grahamw48]

Thanks Peter. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

..And so it goes on.

[Terpe]

Thanks Peter. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

..And so it goes on.

I'd hate to appear to be macabre...but I just find it so absorbing.....and mysterious

[marksroomspain]

I'd hate to appear to be macabre...but I just find it so absorbing.....and mysterious

Me too Peter so enthraling...:Erm:

[joebloggs]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-manager-3235818

[fred]

Very sad interview..



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIUnsQjP-2U

[fred]

Malaysia plane may have flown for four more hours: US


U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky.
Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co. 777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring program.

That raises a host of new questions and possibilities about what happened aboard the widebody jet carrying 239 people, which vanished from civilian air-traffic control radar over the weekend, about one hour into a flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur.
Six days after the mysterious disappearance prompted a massive international air and water search that so far hasn't produced any results, the investigation appears to be broadening in scope.
U.S. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection, according to one person tracking the probe.

http://www.afr.com/p/world/malaysia_plane_may_have_flown_for_3gjH5DH58X9IA9xFsyV4OO

[RickyR]

The whole incident is becoming more and more bizarre by the day...

[KeithD]

For those who want to help you can help search the satellite pics here http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014

However, due to the number of people using the site it is prone to either not load, or crash. They are currently upgrading the servers.

[fred]

For those who want to help you can help search the satellite pics here http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014

However, due to the number of people using the site it is prone to either not load, or crash. They are currently upgrading the servers.

Yes but search where?? Boeing say the plane flew 5 more hours after the transponders were turned off!!

[bigmarco]

Yes but search where?? Boeing say the plane flew 5 more hours after the transponders were turned off!!

This is now being denied in a press conference this morning. I agree it's totally bizarre that everybody seems clueless as to what happened.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26559627

[gWaPito]

Perhaps this could lead to big price reductions. May just tempt me to go holiday in the Philippines instead of Cuba this coming May

[Dedworth]

Perhaps this could lead to big price reductions. May just tempt me to go holiday in the Philippines instead of Cuba this coming May

A tad off topic but there's some fundraising going on for the Cuba Solidarity Campaign here :biggrin:

http://www.rmt.org.uk/campaigns/political/cuba-garden-party/

[bigmarco]

Perhaps this could lead to big price reductions. May just tempt me to go holiday in the Philippines instead of Cuba this coming May

My thoughts as well although the only price that appears to be going down at the moment is their share price

[Slip]

The MH flight out of Heathrow on Monday night was delayed and was almost withdrawn. All passengers were on board and the flight was ready to go, but one of the engineers noticed fuel leaking from the wing! It was fixed in the end, but you can imagine how scared you'd be if you were on board and saw them doing last second maintenance on the wing!

[Dedworth]

The MH flight out of Heathrow on Monday night was delayed and was almost withdrawn. All passengers were on board and the flight was ready to go, but one of the engineers noticed fuel leaking from the wing! It was fixed in the end, but you can imagine how scared you'd be if you were on board and saw them doing last second maintenance on the wing!


My mate is a BA Engineer working on 3rd party aircraft at T3 I remember him telling me years ago their 747s came in a few times with little more than vapour remaining in the fuel tanks :yikes: I'm not sure if they still have the contract for Malaysian

[fred]

The MH flight out of Heathrow on Monday night was delayed and was almost withdrawn. All passengers were on board and the flight was ready to go, but one of the engineers noticed fuel leaking from the wing! It was fixed in the end, but you can imagine how scared you'd be if you were on board and saw them doing last second maintenance on the wing!

We landed once in Karachi and as the plane hit the brakes I could see a lot of liquid pissing out of the wing.. When the plane was parked up the liquid was producing quite a puddle..:cwm24:
The engineers ....ed around with the wing for about an hour and then we taxi`d off to the runway..
As the engines roared and we were off again I could see the liquid pissing out of the wing again!!
I looked at the flight attendant and for a split second I saw panic on her face.. Then she smiled and asked me if I wanted a drink..
I said "yes please"..."A large Vodka..and keep em coming"!!

[Michael Parnham]

We landed once in Karachi and as the plane hit the brakes I could see a lot of liquid pissing out of the wing.. When the plane was parked up the liquid was producing quite a puddle..:cwm24:
The engineers ....ed around with the wing for about an hour and then we taxi`d off to the runway..
As the engines roared and we were off again I could see the liquid pissing out of the wing again!!
I looked at the flight attendant and for a split second I saw panic on her face.. Then she smiled and asked me if I wanted a drink..
I said "yes please"..."A large Vodka..and keep em coming"!!

Liquid coming from airliner wingtips is the norm when discharging fuel, spillage from wings at take off is normal during hot weather as the fuel expands and released out of overflow same as a car, nothing to worry about as I've filmed many taking off at Manchester and fuel is overflowing down the runway! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[gWaPito]

Same in the trucks I drive Michael. All perfectly normal

[fred]

Liquid coming from airliner wingtips is the norm when discharging fuel, spillage from wings at take off is normal during hot weather as the fuel expands and released out of overflow same as a car, nothing to worry about as I've filmed many taking off at Manchester and fuel is overflowing down the runway! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I didnt know that Michael ..Thanks..
Fortunately I managed to keep all that Vodka in me without any leakage.. and slept like a baby!
I hate flying..Can you tell?

[bigmarco]

Glad to see the Malaysians are now taking this seriously. They've sent for the witch doctor

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1447159/video-chinese-ridicule-malaysias-recruitment-witch-doctor-track-missing

[Arthur Little]

Didn't mention this nearer the beginning of the thread for fear of being thought ... well ... :anerikke:... naive. But it seems almost incredible, airport departure staff failed to detect fake passport holders in the light of the plethora of (supposedly foolproof) scanning devices in use nowadays!!!

[Michael Parnham]

I didnt know that Michael ..Thanks..
Fortunately I managed to keep all that Vodka in me without any leakage.. and slept like a baby!
I hate flying..Can you tell?

You're the opposite to me Fred, I don't drink and I love flying, but I like you! :wink::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Steve.r]

Fuel leaking on some aircraft is normal. It's to do with pressure. When at altitude all seals are tight due to the pressure but as this reduces tiny openings in some seals allow fuel to escape. But most fuel cells have a bladder inside these days or puncture proof linings a bit like race cars.

[fred]

This is now being denied in a press conference this morning. I agree it's totally bizarre that everybody seems clueless as to what happened.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26559627


I tend to believe the US experts.. No way IMO they would say that the plane continued to fly for 4/5 hours if in fact they had no hard data to back it up at some point and make it known publicly .
Looks as if the search has now turned towards the Indian ocean...Land and sea!

[fred]

Satellite Data Reveal Route of Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane


Malaysia Airlines (http://quotes.wsj.com/MY/MAS) 3786.KU +2.13% (http://quotes.wsj.com/MY/MAS) ' missing jet transmitted its location repeatedly to satellites over the course of five hours after it disappeared from radar, people briefed on the matter said, as searchers zeroed in on new target areas hundreds of miles west of the plane's original course.
The satellites also received speed and altitude information about the plane from its intermittent "pings," the people said. The final ping was sent from over water, at what one of these people called a normal cruising altitude. They added that it was unclear why the pings stopped. One of the people, an industry official, said it was possible that the system sending them had been disabled by someone on board.






WSJ's Andy Pasztor has been reporting on Flight MH370 since it disappeared. Here he explains how a plane can still transmit "pings" that allow investigators to track it even after its main tracking systems — or transponders — are shut off.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304185104579437573396580350?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304185104579437573396580350.html




The people, who included a military official, the industry official and others, declined to say what specific path the transmissions revealed. But the U.S. planned to move surveillance planes into an area of the Indian Ocean 1,000 miles or more west of the Malay peninsula where the plane took off,

[Terpe]

That's a very interesting article fred ......
Fascinating stuff

[Michael Parnham]

I would imagine it more than likely a team Boeing technicians will get all the answers in the end!:Erm:

[Trefor]

The whole incident is becoming more and more bizarre by the day...

I think the final story will be much more straightforward, and that some people know what happened but don't want to say right now. It is now either at the bottom of the Indian Ocean, to be found one day, or if it has been 'hijacked' the spooks will know where it is.

[grahamw48]

Hmm...may check whether the 777 I'll be flying to the Phils on in May has had any of the wings chewed up in the last year or two. :Erm:

[Terpe]

And so it continues.......just as fascinating just as incredible and an ever more unprecedented
event.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73582000/jpg/_73582068_china_malaysia_plane7_624.jpg

[irishman12]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-traced-seven-hours-after-it-went-missing-as-hijacking-becomes-more-likely/story-fnhrvhol-1226855315871

[KeithD]

Pilot must have gone :Cuckoo:

[gWaPito]

I think the final story will be much more straightforward, and that some people know what happened but don't want to say right now. It is now either at the bottom of the Indian Ocean, to be found one day, or if it has been 'hijacked' the spooks will know where it is.
Exactly :xxgrinning--00xx3:
It's not a mystery to those who know.

[Terpe]

Exactly :xxgrinning--00xx3:
It's not a mystery to those who know.

Exactly :xxgrinning--00xx3:
It's only a mystery to those who don't know.................:biggrin:
:icon_lol::icon_lol:

[Terpe]

.
......as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns; that is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know.

—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Never a truer word....

[SimonH]

.

Never a truer word....


said or unsaid :Erm:

[nigelmac]

They found it!!

http://vietnam.craigslist.org/for/4372477162.html

[grahamw48]

Haha...nice one . :icon_lol::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

They found it!!

http://vietnam.craigslist.org/for/4372477162.html

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

http://www.channel4.com/news/flight-mh370-the-unanswered-questions

[joebloggs]

Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader

Police investigate data from home flight simulator of captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53
Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim
Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset
Flight MH370 disappeared more than a week ago with 239 people on board
Despite a huge multinational search effort, no signs of the plane or a crash have been found
Malaysian Prime Minister said yesterday that the plane was deliberately steered off course







http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581817/Doomed-airliner-pilot-political-fanatic-Hours-taking-control-flight-MH370-attended-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html

[grahamw48]

Another interesting scenario...right up the street of a nerdy pilot with his own bedroom cockpit sim ? :Erm:

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68

[fred]

A GROUP of 220 reportedly Muslim immigrants, whose nationality and origin was not known to Thai authorities as of press time yesterday, have been arrested at a rubber plantation in the southern province of Songkhla.The police are unable to communicate with the group, which consists of 82 children, 78 men and 60 women, as they speak a tongue that has yet to be identified by Thai immigration and authorities. A Turkish-speaking interpreter was called in to interview them because it was initially believed that the group might hail from Turkey. The detainees were moved to an immigration office in Hat Yai district, before the women and children were moved to a shelter.

The women in the group were wearing hijab, with a netted opening for the eyes, while the men were found wearing casual attire. An immigration police officer noted that the group was comprised mostly of families and carried luggage like the sort used by normal international travellers. He added that their clothes were still clean, which possibly indicated that they had only just arrived in Thailand. He also said that they appeared to be Chinese looking.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Unidentifiable-group-of-Muslims-nabbed-30229183.html

[irishman12]

:Erm: -related to malaysian airline?
A GROUP of 220 reportedly Muslim immigrants, whose nationality and origin was not known to Thai authorities as of press time yesterday, have been arrested at a rubber plantation in the southern province of Songkhla.The police are unable to communicate with the group, which consists of 82 children, 78 men and 60 women, as they speak a tongue that has yet to be identified by Thai immigration and authorities. A Turkish-speaking interpreter was called in to interview them because it was initially believed that the group might hail from Turkey. The detainees were moved to an immigration office in Hat Yai district, before the women and children were moved to a shelter.

The women in the group were wearing hijab, with a netted opening for the eyes, while the men were found wearing casual attire. An immigration police officer noted that the group was comprised mostly of families and carried luggage like the sort used by normal international travellers. He added that their clothes were still clean, which possibly indicated that they had only just arrived in Thailand. He also said that they appeared to be Chinese looking.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Unidentifiable-group-of-Muslims-nabbed-30229183.html

[fred]

:Erm: -related to malaysian airline?

I dont know?????
A bit like Malaysian air,the Malaysian government,The U.S,its Allies..Even the Chinese!!
They dont know!
Just thought it strange that a load of well dressed Chinese with posh watches and I phones turned up as if from no where in Thailand..
Hey!! You never know!!:biggrin:

[grahamw48]

I wonder where all the extra kids came from. :wink:

[gWaPito]

It has been known they breed like fruit flies...........surely not that quick :Erm:

[joebloggs]

MH370: Maldives Islanders claim to have spotted 'low flying jet’

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10706853/MH370-Maldives-Islanders-claim-to-have-spotted-low-flying-jet.html

[grahamw48]

Funny how if mother-in-law falls off her chair or someone walks into a lamp post etc, there's always a phone ready to record it. :anerikke:

[Jamesey]

This explanation seems sensible to me:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

[KeithD]

It's starting to appear more likely it was electrical. The left turn back of Malaysia, and then another left towards the Ocean, looks like they were trying to get back to KL.

[stevie c]

But they are certain they were flying for 7 hours it would take nowhere near that long to get back to kl :NoNo:

[KeithD]

But they are certain they were flying for 7 hours it would take nowhere near that long to get back to kl :NoNo:

The 777 is fly-by-wire, and so electrical damage would prevent steering, except by using the engines.

It's not a hijacking, as they are always done for a reason. That leaves electrical/mechanical failure.

[Michael Parnham]

Very interesting comments!:Erm:

[fred]

Very interesting comments!:Erm:Indeed!!

[grahamw48]

:smile:

.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/grahamw48/Malaysianlostplane_zps0be9de83.jpg~original

[Terpe]

Australia plane searchers investigate debris

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73695000/jpg/_73695309_73695308.jpg

Australia is investigating two objects seen on satellite images that could potentially be linked to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, officials say.

Planes and ships from Australia, New Zealand and the US were heading to the area 2,500km (1,550 miles) south-west of Perth to search for the objects.

The largest appeared to be 24m in size, maritime authorities said, but warned they could be unrelated to the plane.

Australia has been searching in the southern Indian Ocean for the aircraft.

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on 8 March when it lost contact with air traffic controllers. A total of 239 people were on board.

Twenty-six nations have been involved in a major search for the missing plane, which Malaysia says was intentionally diverted.

Investigators have been scrutinising the backgrounds of both the crew and the passengers, but have so far identified no evidence of terror or other potentially relevant links.

A number of sightings of possible debris have been investigated in the course of the search but so far none have proved to be linked.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73694000/jpg/_73694267_digo_00718_01_14.jpg
Australian authorities said one of the objects was 24m in size

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73693000/jpg/_73693944_021598138reu.jpg
Amsa said ships and planes were heading south-west of Perth to try to find the objects

Southern corridor

Prime Minister Tony Abbott announced the discovery of the objects in parliament.

"The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (Amsa) has received information based on satellite information of objects possibly related to the search," Mr Abbott said.

"Following specialist analysis of this satellite imagery, two possible objects related to the search have been identified."

An Australian Orion aircraft is currently in the search area and three more planes, including US and New Zealand aircraft, are on their way. A merchant ship is due there later in the day and an Australian naval vessel, HMAS Success, is also on its way.

Amsa said the debris had been located in waters some 2,500km south-west of the Australian city of Perth.

The objects identified were of a "reasonable size", Amsa's general manager John Young said. The largest object appeared to be about 24m in size, he said.

"The objects are relatively indistinct. The indication to me is of objects that are of a reasonable size and probably awash with water and bobbing up and down over the surface," he said.

"This is a lead, it is probably the best lead we have right now. But we need to get there, find them, see them, assess them, to know whether it's really meaningful or not."

He warned that poor visibility in the area could hamper the search.

Australia informed Malaysian authorities of the development on Thursday morning.

"We have been following every single lead and this time I just hope that this time it is a positive development," Malaysia's Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said.

Satellite signal
Earlier this week, Australia was asked by Malaysia to take responsibility for the "southern corridor" search.

Investigators had identified two corridors of territory - one to the north and one to the south - spanning the possible positions of the plane about seven hours after take-off.

This was based on its last faint signal to a satellite - an hourly "handshake'' broadcast even when the main communication systems are switched off.

The plane lost contact with controllers over the South China Sea as it crossed from Malaysian to Vietnamese air space.

Malaysian officials say it then turned west and its last position - according to Malaysian military radar - was over the Malacca Straits, in the opposite direction to its planned flight path.

Attention has focused on the crew and on Wednesday multiple unidentified US officials said that the FBI was helping Malaysia analyse data from a flight simulator taken from the captain's home.

Hishammuddin Hussein, at a press conference on Wednesday, stressed the captain should be considered innocent until proved otherwise and said that members of his family were co-operating with the investigation.

Meanwhile, relatives of those on board are still waiting for concrete news.

Bimal Sharma, a merchant navy captain whose sister Chandrika was on the plane, told the BBC he had experienced "hope and then despair and then hope and then despair".

"I have been very hopeful because it was intentionally diverted, so I don't believed it was crashed," he said. "It's been a very, very difficult time, and very emotionally stressing."

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73636000/gif/_73636672_malaysian_airliner_search_624map.gif

Source:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26659951

[raynaputi]

I do hope whatever it is that they've seen would be a big impact on this investigation now.

[fred]

Personally, it looks doubtful that those satellite images show remnants of the plane..

Most probably a dropped shipping container..

I HOPE I`,m right and the air liner was kidnapped.. Its about the only hope left for the families to see their loved ones again.

[bigmarco]

This explanation seems sensible to me:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

I must confess that having read this yesterday it seems to make sense to me but surely the experts would be thinking along these lines before examining the more sinister scenarios :Erm:

[Terpe]

I must confess that having read this yesterday it seems to make sense to me ......

Agreed. It's the most plausible explanation I've read and certainly seems to fit whats known.


......but surely the experts would be thinking along these lines before examining the more sinister scenarios :Erm:

Yes.....oddly enough most of the 'experts' interviewed who have been commercial pilots seem to agree it was mechanical/electrical failure........of those who have experienced critical issues (even crashes) suggest electrical......
I'm sure all scenarios do get fully investigated.

Haven't heard anyone else discuss fire so far though......Good piece that Jamesey, well found.

[irishman12]

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/flight-mh370-insurers-first-pay-214243094.html

Families of passengers on the Boeing (NYSE: BA - news) 777 have received hardship payments and the airline has been paid for the plane

Malaysian Airlines has already been handed $110 million (£67 million) by insurers over the loss of its missing Boeing 777 on flight MH370 that is the subject of an international search after disappearing more than two weeks ago.

[Jentobeharrison]

Malaysia Airlines MH370 ended its fate in the southern part of Indian Ocean. Prime minister of Malaysia already confirmed to the relatives of the passengers and crew that no one has survived :(

[Jamesey]

It's very sad news. But at least a British hi-tech company was able to contribute so much.

I find the technical aspects of this fascinating:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/flight-mh370-inmarsat-aaib-analysis?CMP=twt_fd

[gWaPito]

I think the final story will be much more straightforward, and that some people know what happened but don't want to say right now. It is now either at the bottom of the Indian Ocean, to be found one day, or if it has been 'hijacked' the spooks will know where it is.

So right Trefor.

[marksroomspain]

Not what I hoped for but at least some answers to the families who must have been in despair...

[Terpe]

Satellite 'pings' revealed missing Malaysia plane's path

http://static.rappler.com/images/inmarsat-building-finfahey-wikipedia-crop-20140325.jpg
The Inmarsat Global HQ in London.

The satellite operator Inmarsat said Monday, March 24, it managed to work out which direction the missing Malaysia Airlines plane flew in by measuring the Doppler effect of hourly 'pings' from the aircraft.

Malaysia's prime minister announced earlier that the Inmarsat analysis of flight MH370's path placed its last position in remote waters off Australia's west coast, meaning it can only have run out of fuel above the southern Indian Ocean. (READ: MH370 ended at the southern Indian Ocean)

Inmarsat explained how they plotted models of the flight's route by measuring the Doppler effect of satellite pings, giving corridors arcing north and south along which the plane could have flown for at least five hours.

Despite the plane's communication systems being switched off, satellite pings were still bouncing back from the aircraft, which which vanished on March 8 with 239 people on board while flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

The pings are sent from a ground station to a satellite, then onto the plane, which automatically sends a ping back to the satellite and down to the ground station.

They do not include global positioning system (GPS) data, time or distance information.

So the British satellite operator measured the amount of time it took for the pings to be returned.

"We looked at the Doppler effect, which is the change in frequency due to the movement of a satellite in its orbit," Chris McLaughlin, Inmarsat's senior vice president of external affairs, told Britain's Sky News television.

"What that then gave us was a predicted path for the northerly route and a predicted path the southerly route."

"We don't know whether the plane stayed at a constant speed; we don't know whether its headings changed subsequently," he explained.

Therefore, "we applied the autopilot speeds -- about 350 knots. We applied what we knew about the fuel and range of the aircraft to hit the series of ping information we had.

"Normally you'd want to triangulate, often you'd have GPS. But because aircraft in that region are not mandated to send out signals of their location we were working from blind, so this is very much a unique approach -- the first time it's been done."

Ran out of fuel

They then compared those figures to data from other Malaysia Airlines planes and similar flight routes, which definitively showed the plane could only have been going down the southern corridor, and would eventually have run out of fuel.

They established an "extraordinary matching" between Inmarsat's predicted southern path and readings from other planes on such routes.

The BBC reported that as far as could could be worked out, the plane was flying at a cruising height, above 30,000 feet (9,100 meters). They found no evidence of fluctuating heights.

Inmarsat handed over new information to Britain's Air Accidents Investigation Branch on Sunday for checking.

"By yesterday they were able to definitively say that the plane had undoubtedly taken the southern route," said McLaughlin.

He called for all commercial aircraft to be fitted with existing technology that would mean a plane cannot go missing.

Source:-
http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/53813-satellite-pings-revealed-missing-malaysia-plane-path

[fred]

A plane that size crashing into the Ocean would have made a nasty mess with thousands of bits of Debris, not all sinking!!

After 18 days, why hasn't a single bit been found or washed up by now and with so many searching?

Still doesn't make sense IMO.

[les_taxi]

The whole thing is tragic and has gone on too long, what I don't understand is the Chinese kicking off against the Malaysian authorities :Erm:

No one knew where the plane had gone - how can you tell them stuff you don't know?

[Terpe]

The whole thing is tragic and has gone on too long,what I don't understand is the Chinese kicking off against the Malaysian authorities:Erm:
No one knew where the plane had gone-how can you tell them stuff you don't know?

Bereavement plays havoc with emotions and easily causes feelings of anger.
I'm sure it's just a bereavement reaction at the Malaysian Authorities as it was their flight and they've been the organising/co-ordinating group.
Very difficult situation.

One of issues has been down to media leaks that information has not been acted on or shared........we'll probably never know.....

I read somewhere that Inmarsat gave data a long time ago without any response so involved British Intelligence who involved US Intelligence and so on......chinese whispers (no pun intended)

It's a very sad and tragic story unfolding

[les_taxi]

Yes Terpe I'm sure you are right.

[RickyR]

The entire circumstances remain bizarre, far too many conflicting variables to make any sense of it all. I read that it would have cost just one dollar a day per aircraft for full Inmarsat tracking (GPS course and position reports rather then an empty ping), but the bean counters ruled it out. The maritime industry introduced mandatory tracking via Inmarsat several years ago.

[KeithD]

A plane that size crashing into the Ocean would have made a nasty mess with thousands of bits of Debris,not all sinking!!

After 18 days,why hasn't a single bit been found or washed up by now and with so many searching?

Still doesn't make sense IMO.

+99% will sink, especially if it didn't hit the water hard. Even without fuel, the autopilot would try and keep it level.

The plane was turned twice, probably on autopilot. As no one used mobiles while over, or alongside Malaysia, the passengers were either dead, unconscious, or unaware of a problem.

[joebloggs]

or unaware of a problem.

I think it was a 6hr flight, but people must have been wondering what was wrong when they hadn't landed, unless they were already dead or there was no mobile signal :cwm25:

The last ping was nearly 7 1/2hrs after they had taken off

[fred]

Malaysia Airlines Flight Spotted In Maldives? Examining The Latest Theory On MH370


Update 8.30am ET: The Maldivian government issued a statement (http://www.mndf.gov.mv/mndf/English/News.php?newsid=1186) saying that the country's military and airport radars had not seen the flight. However, it should be noted that a large airplane, by flying at low level, could easily escape detection by radar.

According to a local newspaper, residents of a remote island in the Maldives, Kuda Huvadhoo, spotted a plane (http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062)at 6:15 a.m. local time on March 8 that could have been the missing Malaysia Airlines 370. Eyewitnesses cited by the paper said they saw "a jumbo jet," white with red stripes across it, flying low and very loudly. The description of a big airplane in those colors is consistent with the Malaysian Boeing 777.
The islanders said they did not recall ever seeing an airplane there, and at that height, before, making it unlikely that what they had seen was a normal takeoff or landing by another passenger jet.
The time of the sighting also matches what we can deduct about the plane's range and its known whereabouts.

http://www.ibtimes.com/malaysia-airlines-flight-spotted-maldives-examining-latest-theory-mh370-1562221

US Military airbase Diego garcia didnt see anything then?

[RickyR]

To be honest I think this has been a big embarrassment for several major countries national security.
Countries like the USA have shown that despite their propaganda and popular belief they actually aren't anywhere as advanced in worldwide monitoring as they like people to believe. The satellite imagery has been appalling quality.
The tens of millions of dollars being poured into the search are not about the people onboard, it's about national security and finding out how in the modern day such a large aircraft could seemingly disappear. No need for billion dollar stealth aircraft....
The US, China and Australia are very embarrassed and very worried.

[KeithD]

The satellite imagery has been appalling quality.

We've only been shown commercial satellite pictures, or degraded military ones. The US satellites can read a number plate, but no country would publish satellite pictures of that quality, even though the countries they are trying to hide the information from know what they have, that is why we have spies. :biggrin:

It is easy to lose a plane over the oceans, not so over land, although it is still possible. Lots of drug planes fly into the US on a regular basis unnoticed, Richard Bransons mate crashed in Nevada, and it took over 6 months to find the crash site. We are talking about huge areas, and you can't monitor all of it.

[joebloggs]

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Chinese ship discovers pulse signal in south Indian Ocean

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-chinese-ship-discovers-pulse-signal-in-south-indian-ocean-9240706.html

[Terpe]

I'm sure I heard on the news that this has been noticed twice in two days........sounds very very promising.

[marksroomspain]

Lets hope the families of these poor souls finally have some closure to all of this...:cwm25:

[KeithD]

Now the airline changed course a few times, and flew around Indonesia!

[joebloggs]

MH370 search: Co-pilot made call after plane went off flight path, reports

the mystery deepens :cwm25:


A pilot of the missing Malaysian airliner made a call on his mobile telephone after it had turned back from its scheduled flight path and was flying low near the island of Penang, according to a Malaysian government controlled newspaper.

The call on the telephone of first officer Fariq Abdul Hamid ended abruptly after contact was established with a communications tower, the New Straits Times reported Saturday.

The newspaper quoted sources as saying the telecommunications tower “established: the call 27 year-old Mr Fariq was trying to make."

read more here .. http://www.theage.com.au/world/mh370-search-copilot-made-call-after-plane-went-off-flight-path-reports-20140412-zqu2q.html

[Michael Parnham]

Mmmmmm!:Erm:

[KeithD]

Maybe he was trying to 'phone home' after the aliens took over the plane!

[joebloggs]

the russians said last week the plane landed in Afghanistan :icon_lol:

[fred]

the russians said last week the plane landed in Afghanistan :icon_lol:


A Russian newspaper has claimed that Flight MH370 was hijacked by "unknown terrorists" (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-flight-mh370-black-box-3409031) and flown to Afghanistan, where the crew and passengers are now being held hostage.
The extraordinary comments, attributed to a Russian intelligence source, appeared in the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper.
The source told the paper: "Flight MH370 Malaysia Airlines missing on March 8 with 239 passengers was hijacked.
"Pilots are not guilty; the plane was hijacked by unknown terrorists.
"We know that the name of the terrorist who gave instructions to pilots is "Hitch."
"The plane is in Afghanistan not far from Kandahar near the border with Pakistan."


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[Dedworth]

A Russian newspaper has claimed that Flight MH370 was hijacked by "unknown terrorists" (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-flight-mh370-black-box-3409031) and flown to Afghanistan, where the crew and passengers are now being held hostage.
The extraordinary comments, attributed to a Russian intelligence source, appeared in the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper.
The source told the paper: "Flight MH370 Malaysia Airlines missing on March 8 with 239 passengers was hijacked.
"Pilots are not guilty; the plane was hijacked by unknown terrorists.
"We know that the name of the terrorist who gave instructions to pilots is "Hitch."
"The plane is in Afghanistan not far from Kandahar near the border with Pakistan."


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Surprising it hasn't been spotted by satellites and drones :icon_lol:

[KeithD]

...and obviously one of the Taliban sailed to the south Indian Ocean to dump the black box :Erm:

[fred]

...and obviously one of the Taliban sailed to the south Indian Ocean to dump the black box :Erm:

What black box?:Erm:

[KeithD]

What black box?:Erm:

Xbox? :cwm25:

[joebloggs]

article here about other planes that went missing and were never found , one never made it to the Phils..:cwm24:


Flying Tiger Line 739 – 1962

The Lockheed L-1049 Super Constellation took off in ideal weather with 96 military personnel en route from Guam to the Vietnam War on board. No distress call was made but the flight never made its intended destination, Clark Air Base, in the Philippines.

The disappearance sparked the largest air and sea rescue mission in the Pacific Ocean with 1,300 personnel involved in trawling 144,000 square miles without finding a single clue.

read more here .. http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/471384/They-reached-for-the-sky-but-found-death-The-world-s-greatest-airplane-mysteries

[irishman12]

http://www.pinoybrunei.com/2014/04/malaysia-airlines-jet-in-emergency-landing-after-tyre-bursts/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

[Michael Parnham]

Still don't think anything sinister happened, plane diverted to land at nearest airport because of a problem, cabin depressurised everyone in a coma and aircraft just continued until it exhausted all the fuel. This is only my opinion!:Erm:

[KeithD]

If that was the case though, it wouldn't have kept changing course to avoid the radar and mobile phone range.

[Michael Parnham]

Was that an assumption Keith because of no mobile communication?:Erm:

[joebloggs]

Was that an assumption Keith because of no mobile communication?:Erm:

Did he try and make a call? His mobile shouldn't have been on :NoNo:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-mh370-copilots-phone-was-on-and-made-contact-with-network-tower-30-minutes-after-plane-turned-around-9262025.html

[KeithD]

Was that an assumption Keith because of no mobile communication?:Erm:

If you are out of radar range, you are also out of mobile range. Simple physics, as they are both radio waves to put it as basic as possible. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

One mobile did get a lock on a tower as it flew back over Malaysia, but it was never used by the co-pilot.

[Michael Parnham]

Quite a mystery really, hope they at least find something that will answer some of the questions!:Erm:

[irishman12]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-airlines-mh370-reports-speculate-missing-plane-may-101741851.html#tw8FUXq

[irishman12]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2725142/Mystery-20-000-cash-withdrawn-accounts-four-passengers-went-doomed-Flight-MH370.html

Mystery, as £20,000 cash is withdrawn from accounts of four passengers who went down with doomed Flight MH370.

Bank detected mysterious transactions 5 months after flight disappeared.

Money moved from accounts of 3 passengers into 4th passenger's accounts.

Police have launched investigation into the claims.

Search efforts ongoing for doomed flight. Underwater search next month.

[fred]

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 Wreckage? 58 ‘Objects’ On Ocean Floor Located By Searchers


The Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 search took a potentially dramatic turn Sunday when the Australian-led searchers using high tech equipment announced that they have located what they called (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-airlines-mh370-58-hard-objects-inconsistent-southern-091249516.html#vQvQvuZ) 58 “hard objects” on the floor of the Indian Ocean, right in the newly designated area where they now believe the missing plane went down.

The searchers said that the 58 objects were “inconsistent” with other geological objects found in that area. But they have not yet retrieved the objects to figure out exactly what they are — wreckage from the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, or just strange rocks.
“We have found 58 hard objects in the ocean floor, but have yet to identify if they are from flight MH370,” said Malaysia’s transportation chief (http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=359602:mh370-search-58-hard-objects-found&Itemid=2#axzz3DOeQ7RM7) Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai. “Now, we have to deploy our assets to the sea floor to verify whether the objects are from MH370’s wreckage, any other ship’s wreckage or hard rocks before coming to any conclusion.”

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1479467/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-wreckage-58-objects-on-ocean-floor-located-by-searchers/#5kZqbau6GEWZhvq0.99

http://www.inquisitr.com/1479467/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-wreckage-58-objects-on-ocean-floor-located-by-searchers/#5kZqbau6GEWZhvq0.99

[Michael Parnham]

Interesting! :Erm:

[fred]

Old news that I hadn`t seen before..

Russia “Puzzled” Over Malaysia Airlines “Capture” By US Navy
A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) states that Aerospace Defence Forces (VKO) experts remain “puzzled” as to why the United States Navy “captured and then diverted” a Malaysia Airlines civilian aircraft from its intended flight-path to their vast and highly-secretive Indian Ocean base located on the Diego Garcia atoll.

According to this report, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (also marketed as China Southern Airlines flight 748 through a codeshare) was a scheduled passenger flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing, China, when on 8 March this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft “disappeared” in flight with 227 passengers on board from 15 countries, most of whom were Chinese, and 12 crew members.

Interesting to note, this report says, was that Flight 370 was already under GRU “surveillance” after it received a “highly suspicious” cargo load that had been traced to the Indian Ocean nation Republic of Seychelles, and where it had previously been aboard the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/dgz2.jpg

What first aroused GRU suspicions regarding the MV Maersk Alabama, this report continues, was that within 24-hours of off-loading this “highly suspicious” cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained US Navy Seals assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances.”

Both Kennedy and Reynolds, this report says, were employed by the Virginia Beach, Virginia-based maritime security firm The Trident Group which was founded by US Navy Special Operations Personnel (SEAL’s) and Senior US Naval Surface Warfare Officers and has long been known by the GRU to protect vital transfers of both atomic and biological materials throughout the world.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/dgz3.jpg

Upon GRU “assests” confirming that this “highly suspicious” cargo was aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on 8 March, this report notes, Moscow notified China’s Ministry of State Security (MSS) of their concerns and received “assurances” that “all measures” would be taken as to ascertain what was being kept so hidden when this aircraft entered into their airspace.

However, this report says, and as yet for still unknown reasons, the MSS was preparing to divert Flight 370 from its scheduled destination of Beijing to Haikou Meilan International Airport (HAK) located in Hainan Province (aka Hainan Island).

Prior to entering the People Liberation Army (PLA) protected zones of the South China Sea known as the Spratly Islands, this report continues, Flight 370 “significantly deviated” from its flight course and was tracked by VKO satellites and radar flying into the Indian Ocean region and completing its nearly 3,447 kilometer (2,142 miles) flight to Diego Garcia.

Critical to note about Flight 370’s flight deviation, GRU experts in this report say, was that it occurred during the same time period that all of the Spratly Island mobile phone communications operated by China Mobile were being jammed.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/dgz4.jpg

China Mobile, it should be noted, extended phone coverage in the Spratly Islands in 2011 so that PLA soldiers stationed on the islands, fishermen, and merchant vessels within the area would be able to use mobile services, and can also provide assistance during storms and sea rescues.

As to how the US Navy was able to divert Flight 370 to its Diego Garcia base, this report says, appears to have been accomplished remotely as this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft is equipped with a fly-by-wire (FBW) system that replaces the conventional manual flight controls of an aircraft with an electronic interface allowing it to be controlled like any drone-type aircraft.

However, this report notes, though this aircraft can be controlled remotely, the same cannot be said of its communication systems which can only be shut down manually; and in the case of Flight 370, its data reporting system was shut down at 1:07 a.m., followed by its transponder (which transmits location and altitude) which was shut down at 1:21 a.m.

What remains “perplexing” about this incident, GRU analysts in this report say, are why the American mainstream media outlets have yet to demand from the Obama regime the radar plots and satellite images of the Indian Ocean and South China Sea regions as the US military covers this entire area from Diego Garcia like no other seas in the world due to its vital shipping and air lanes.

Most sadly, this report concludes, the US is actually able to conceal the reason(s) for the “disappearance” of Flight 370 as they have already done so after the events of 11 September 2011 when the then Bush regime “disappeared” American Airlines Flight 77 and its 64 passengers and crew after falsely claiming it hit the Pentagon, but which was confirmed by the CNN News Service [see video HERE] not to have happened.


http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-capture-by-us-navy/

[fred]

The two ex navy seals that were guarding the highly suspicious cargo on the Maersk Columbia said to have been transferred too the Malaysian airliner were both found dead. Huge heroin overdose!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2-ex-navy-seals-on-maersk-alabama-died-of-respiratory-failure-police-say/

[Michael Parnham]

More interesting! :Erm:

[Longweekend]

Another intriguing conspiracy theory....

[joebloggs]

I wouldn't believe one word from the Russians ..


Russian pictures of MH17 being shot by Ukrainian jet 'fake'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11233420/Russian-pictures-of-MH17-being-shot-by-Ukrainian-jet-fake.html

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2014/11/14/russian-state-television-shares-fake-images-of-mh17-being-attacked/

[KeithD]

We can trust the Russians.... remember no troops in the Crimea :Erm: ..... no troops near Donesk .... oh.. apart from those who wandered across the border accidentally when heavily armed :Erm: :crazy:

[fred]

I dont trust Putin either BUT..
There is Probably no way that a Passenger airline "zombie plane" could hit the water anywhere in the world in ANY ocean and not have remnants or broken pieces that would not have been visible by now or would not have been washed ashore.
Are you saying that Flight 370 simply skimmed through the water surface,came too a peaceful stop and then sunk into the Ocean with the amount of sealed air traps on board?
No crash segments that would float and reach shore...Ever?
Sorry...I dont believe it for one moment.

[joebloggs]

if it was shot down why has no wreckage been found :Erm:


Flight MH370 was 'hacked and shot down by US Air Force' claims former airline boss


Missing Flight MH370 was 'hacked and then shot down over the Indian Ocean by the US Air Force,' it has been claimed.

The Malaysia Airlines plane was remotely hijacked by unknown persons before being blasted out of the sky by the American military, fearing a terrorist attack similar to 9/11, according to Mark Dugain.

The Frenchman, an author and the ex-head of the now-defunct Proteus Airlines, believes the Boeing 777 was downed by US Air Force assets from the British-controlled Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia.

Mr Dugain said he had travelled to the Maldives and spoken to locals who claimed to have seen a "huge plane" flying overhead at low altitude in the direction of Diego Garcia.

According to an article penned by Dugan in French weekly magazine Paris Match, one fisherman told him: “I saw a huge plane fly over us at low altitude.

“I saw red and blue stripes (the livery of Malaysia Airlines) on a white background."

Dugain said the man's account was supported by several other locals.

read more here ..... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/flight-mh370-hacked-shot-down-4851909

[Michael Parnham]

Wish the answer could be found!:Erm:

[Terpe]

Wish the answer could be found!:Erm:

Me too Michael.
It's really still a mystery.

I read somewhere that the plane was carrying a cargo of 440 pounds of lithium-ion batteries.
Someone suggested that fumes from a battery fire could have overcome the crew, and passengers.
I wonder if the seabed search will continue :Erm:

No wreckage at all is baffling.

[fred]

Me too Michael.
It's really still a mystery.

I read somewhere that the plane was carrying a cargo of 440 pounds of lithium-ion batteries.
Someone suggested that fumes from a battery fire could have overcome the crew, and passengers.
I wonder if the seabed search will continue :Erm:

No wreckage at all is baffling.

I doubt very much that the two ex US navy seals that were guarding the cargo before it was delivered to the aircraft (both found dead) were guarding lithium-ion batteries!
The witnesses that saw the low flying aircraft over the Maldives were quickly muted and ridiculed.
Apparently, those aircraft can be flown and landed remotely.

[Michael Parnham]

I'm sure someone will come across the position of the aircraft one day, wrecked or not!:Erm:

[bigmarco]

Was checking Skyscanner for flights to the Philippines in April and Malaysia are coming up very competitive......... Not a chance :NoNo:

[Ako Si Jamie]

I'm sure someone will come across the position of the aircraft one day, wrecked or not!:Erm:Bear Grylls? :Erm:

[Ako Si Jamie]

Was checking Skyscanner for flights to the Philippines in April and Malaysia are coming up very competitive......... Not a chance :NoNo:They've been like that for awhile. Usually around the £550 mark.