Union Leader Bob Crow Dead [Archive]

gWaPito

11th March 2014, 12:19

"I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell."

You live by the sword, you die by it
Fat bar-steward Crow can rot in hell http://filipinaroses.com/images/smilies/xxgrinning-smiley-00xx3.gif

I'll pobably get some bad rep for that http://filipinaroses.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gifhttp://filipinaroses.com/images/smilies/xxgrinning-smiley-00xx3.gif

Dedworth

11th March 2014, 12:20

That's one particular gravy train off the rails

gWaPito

11th March 2014, 12:28

That's one particular gravy train off the rails

and possibly freeing up a much needed council house :xxgrinning--00xx3: Hopefully no joint tenant :biggrin: puttin the house back in the mix :icon_lol:

tiger31

11th March 2014, 12:35

April 2013

Union leader Bob Crow has said Margaret Thatcher can "rot in hell" for what she did to the country during her time as prime minister.

nothing in common with the working people that was a bit rich his salary was,nt in line with common people either .money ordinary people could only dream about .

les_taxi

11th March 2014, 12:44

Forgot what he said about Maggie!

Good riddance then, pity he managed to get his £10,000 holiday in first.

Arthur Little

11th March 2014, 12:48

:Erm: ... "croaked it" from an aneurysm and heart attack, according to Wikipedia!

Alas, :bigcry: ... his "bubble" burst! :cwm24:

Arthur Little

11th March 2014, 12:55

That's one particular gravy train off the rails

Hmm ... :anerikke: ... too much gravy, I reckon. :icon_rolleyes:

grahamw48

11th March 2014, 13:19

Another hypocrite gone.

62 ? :Erm:

Dedworth

11th March 2014, 14:18

Another hypocrite gone.

62 ? :Erm:

A champagne socialist at heart: Bob Crow takes a breather from planning Tube strike for £650 lunch with bubbly in Mayfair

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003716/Union-boss-Bob-Crow-takes-break-Tube-strike-plan-650-lunch-Mayfair.html#ixzz2vey8zuwH

KeithD

11th March 2014, 14:23

We'll miss all the fun down here when he bumps into Maggie up there :icon_lol:

gWaPito

11th March 2014, 14:40

We'll miss all the fun down here when he bumps into Maggie up there :icon_lol:

Oh yes!! :icon_lol::xxgrinning--00xx3:

les_taxi

11th March 2014, 15:15

She will chew him up and spit him out!

grahamw48

11th March 2014, 16:39

A champagne socialist at heart: Bob Crow takes a breather from planning Tube strike for £650 lunch with bubbly in Mayfair

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003716/Union-boss-Bob-Crow-takes-break-Tube-strike-plan-650-lunch-Mayfair.html#ixzz2vey8zuwH

George Galloway's facebook page has some interesting comments on it :biggrin: (and an interesting cover photo :Erm: )

https://www.facebook.com/GeorgeGallowayMP

raynaputi

11th March 2014, 17:07

Oh..George Galloway's married to a young Indonesian girl..:cwm25::biggrin:

Arthur Little

11th March 2014, 19:09

Oh..George Galloway's married to a young Indonesian girl.. :cwm25::biggrin:

:cwm25: ... where's 'sentinent' when you need him? :icon_lol:

bigmarco

11th March 2014, 19:37

Quite a sad day at work today with so many people with such good things to say about Bob.
I've taken part in many elections over the years and cast many votes at various ballot boxes. Bob Crow is probably the only person who delivered on all his promises. He promised Job security,a safer working enviroment, better pensions and even through austerity above inflation pay rises. He delivered on all counts.
To those who knew him they will all say to a man than he was a decent honest bloke who fought for his members. I was at a demo in Hammersmith the week before last for a good friend who's in a spot of bother. Not big enough to attract the media but Bob still showed up to offer his support.
Quite why people write bile about somebody who's just passed away is beyond me. He done what he was elected to do and he done it better than anyone else currently in the same position. RIP Bob

les_taxi

11th March 2014, 20:04

Quite why people write bile about somebody who's just passed away is beyond me. He done what he was elected to do and he done it better than anyone else currently in the same position
Here is why - He did just that himself stuff him :censored:

Union leader Bob Crow has said Margaret Thatcher can "rot in hell" for what she did to the country during her time as prime minister.
Crow, the general secretary of the RMT union, told BBC Radio London on Wednesday evening that Thatcher "created an ideological argument to attack working people" during her time in office and that there were "loads of loads of people who lost their houses, jobs and committed suicide because of what she did".
"She has got nothing in common at all with working people," he said. She didn't die in a hospice, she died in the Ritz, somewhere no working people could stay for one night."
"I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell."

Arthur Little

11th March 2014, 20:06

We'll miss all the fun down here when he bumps into Maggie up there :icon_lol:

Ah ... but he won't :nono-1-1: ... Bob Crow was a devout atheist!

Arthur Little

11th March 2014, 20:42

Ah ... but he won't :nono-1-1: ... Bob Crow was a devout atheist!

Having indulged in a few wise cracks earlier in this thread, I confess to feeling 'a little' ashamed now after reading more about the man himself. :readingpapers: Seems - as borne out in Marco's post - he was a man of high moral principle, a man who had the courage of his convictions to stand up for what he believed in ... workers' rights ... steadfastly supporting his members through "thick 'n' thin" by consistently delivering them the promises he'd made.

And such qualities (:olddude: in my book, at least!) speak volumes. :wink:

grahamw48

11th March 2014, 20:53

Terpe

11th March 2014, 21:10

Having indulged in a few wise cracks earlier in this thread, I confess to feeling 'a little' ashamed after reading more about the man himself. :readingpapers: Seems - as borne out in Marco's post - he was a man of high moral principle, a man who had the courage of his convictions to stand up for what he believed in ... workers' rights ... steadfastly supporting his members through "thick 'n' thin" by consistently delivering them the promises he'd made.

And such qualities (:olddude: in my book, at least!) speak volumes. :wink:

I don't know Bob Crow, and don't know that much about him, but from what I've read and heard today it's exactly as you intimate in your post Arthur. Well said.

He stood fast on his beliefs, and fought tooth and nail to get his union members the very best employment T&C's and safe working conditions. Maybe a he did a lot of things that weren't popular with everyone and maybe he did a lot of straight talking that didn't go down well with everyone.

Bit like us all really....

Additionally I know for a fact that he was significantly instrumental in getting railway business for UK to remain in UK. Plenty of governments of all colours seemed actively against that :doh

He was a railway man and trade unionist through and through. Nothing wrong with that.

Without getting into an argument, could someone please enlighten me how Bob crow deserves such comments as 'rot in hell'.

Well presented post Arthur

joebloggs

11th March 2014, 21:12

nothing in common with the working people that was a bit rich his salary was,nt in line with common people either .money ordinary people could only dream about .

well if i was in a union and he got me better pay and conditions then i wouldn't care what the union members paid him, after all he was doing his job :wink:

gWaPito

11th March 2014, 21:16

Ah ... but he won't :nono-1-1: ... Bob Crow was a devout atheist!

I expect he got Christened on the QT like they all do :NoNo:....Just in case :sexy_146:

gWaPito

11th March 2014, 21:20

"She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell."
You may have overlooked this post, Peter. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Bluebirdjones

11th March 2014, 21:23

Bob was elected to represent his members interests, and he did that to the best of his abilities.

He fought for an improvement in their work conditions, protection of their pensions, and a decent working/living wage.

I wish a few more union chiefs would (and should have) done the same.

Then perhaps we wouldn't be in a position of zero hour contracts, limited employment rights, etc etc

Perhaps some of these professional politicians who supposedly represent the Labour party should take a hard look at themselves.... and understand what socialism really means.

RIP Bob

Arthur Little

11th March 2014, 21:25

From what I saw of him on the news reports tonight, he came across as nothing more than an overgrown school-yard bully.

:smile: Hmm ... perhaps his "image" gave rise to that impression, Graham - he certainly looked the part, :iagree:. But then ... :anerikke: ... aren't most (if not all) Union Leaders meant to be portrayed as intimidating tough nuts?? "Comes with the territory"!

gWaPito

11th March 2014, 21:33

Bob was elected to represent his members interests, and he did that to the best of his abilities.
He fought for an improvement in their work conditions, protection of their pensions, and a decent working/living wage.

I wish a few more union chiefs would (and should have) done the same.
Then perhaps we wouldn't be in a position of zero hour contracts, limited employment rights, etc etc

Perhaps some of these professional politicians who supposedly represent the Labour party should take a hard look at themselves.... and understand what socialism really means.

RIP Bob

I agree :xxgrinning--00xx3: The Labour party should really get a handle on it and take it on board :xxgrinning--00xx3: The Crow is dead, long live the Crow

Arthur Little

11th March 2014, 21:51

Well presented post Arthur

Peter ... thank you for your support, your kind words and the rep you've given me for my post ... they're ALL greatly appreciated. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Terpe

11th March 2014, 21:53

You may have overlooked this post, Peter. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

This thread has nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher.....
I'm just seeking reasons why folks have such extreme feelings about Bob Crow to make such terrible comments that's all.

It goes beyond reason IMO to hold such views solely on the basis of what he allegedly said about Thatcher.....

How did Bob Crow affect your life ?

stevewool

11th March 2014, 22:06

thats why i dont get involved, even in death some people still have to hate those they have never even meet, if you have not got anything good to say about anyone then the best bet is to keep it shut, no ofence meant to anyone alive or dead

les_taxi

11th March 2014, 22:08

It wasn't allegedly!

I heard him on 5 live when they were having the strike on the tubes and a guy rang in and made Crow look a Pratt, he said ok you are happy to support the strike leaving loads of people buggered, but what am i to do about my business - (bar owner) - and the lack of trade due to the strike.

Crow was not concerned one iota that his validation of the strike affected anyone else or their livelihood, meanwhile his lavish wage and lifestyle really made him a man of the people :icon_lol:

Fooled many people.

joebloggs

11th March 2014, 22:27

meanwhile his lavish wage and lifestyle really made him a man of the people :icon_lol:

Fooled many people.

paid for by union members and he did his job, he fought and got them better pay and conditions surely even a fool can see that :wink:

les_taxi

11th March 2014, 22:42

I would not have had a go if he had not shamefully said what he did about Margaret Thatcher. He could not care less that love or hate her, her family don't need to read what he said.

Well, ironically he's gone so soon after his disgusting remarks.

Doc Alan

11th March 2014, 22:45

No matter what one thought of Bob Crow, the fact is that death from natural causes – apparently a “ heart attack “ - at the age of 52 is premature by any definition, and a tragedy for family, loved ones, and friends.

One person dies every few minutes in the UK from coronary heart disease. Most such deaths are caused by a heart attack ( where part of the heart muscle dies due to blockage of the artery supplying it ) - at age 65 or over.

It’s likely there would be a Coroner post-mortem in Bob Crow's case, whether or not he was known to have heart disease during life. The pathologist would try to rule out other causes, such as those which might have been present from birth or a genetic abnormality which might affect family members.

This premature death has attracted more attention on the Forum than “ Your health … your choices “ ( Health Issues ). Risk factors for heart attacks either can’t be modified ( age, family history, personality type ), or can ( smoking, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetes, obesity, exercise level, stress ).

At the very least, members - and his own family - may question why it happened, and whether it could have been avoided. * PLEASE take this chance to think about it !

R.I.P. Bob Crow.

joebloggs

11th March 2014, 23:01

I would not have had a go if he had not shamefully said what he did about Margaret Thatcher,He could not care less that love or hate her,her family don't need to read what he said.
Well, ironically he's gone so soon after his disgusting remarks.

i agree with most of what he said about thatcher, she did die in the Ritz and i doubt she spent her time worrying how she was going to pay her bills and keep warm unlike like many pensioners :NoNo:

les_taxi

11th March 2014, 23:52

Irrelevant - she died in the Ritz, she had a well paid job for years as Prime Minister :Erm:

You can say that about anyone who is not on the breadline.
He said rot in hell well, disgusting by any standards -scum :cwm23:

gWaPito

12th March 2014, 02:51

This thread has nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher.....
I'm just seeking reasons why folks have such extreme feelings about Bob Crow to make such terrible comments that's all.

It goes beyond reason IMO to hold such views solely on the basis of what he allegedly said about Thatcher.....

How did Bob Crow affect your life ?

How did Genghis Khan affect your life :Erm: What's that gotta do with the price of cheese??

Like what Les states, this wasnt alleged, it's fact. I do hold such views along wd many others on here that what goes around, comes around and he got his

gWaPito

12th March 2014, 03:06

i agree with most of what he said about thatcher, she did die in the Ritz and i doubt she spent her time worrying how she was going to pay her bills and keep warm unlike like many pensioners :NoNo:

Strangely enough, I dont either. That's what gainful employment does for you. I recommend it...apparently it's good for the soul :xxgrinning--00xx3:

London_Manila

12th March 2014, 03:32

From what I saw of him on the news reports tonight, he came across as nothing more than an overgrown school-yard bully. :cwm25: First impressions I have found in most cases throughout my life, have eventually turned out to have been correct.

Wrong and if you had worked for a railway company then i am sure you would not have complained about Bob Crow getting you decent pay rises and better working conditions

He was employed to represent his members best interests and that is what he did :smile:

London_Manila

12th March 2014, 03:37

Having indulged in a few wise cracks earlier in this thread, I confess to feeling 'a little' ashamed now after reading more about the man himself. :readingpapers: Seems - as borne out in Marco's post - he was a man of high moral principle, a man who had the courage of his convictions to stand up for what he believed in ... workers' rights ... steadfastly supporting his members through "thick 'n' thin" by consistently delivering them the promises he'd made.

And such qualities (:olddude: in my book, at least!) speak volumes. :wink:

I agree but of course the people brainwashed by the right wing gutter press who spent years vilifying Bob Crow were never going to see it like that :wink:

London_Manila

12th March 2014, 03:42

paid for by union members and he did his job, he fought and got them better pay and conditions surely even a fool can see that :wink:

Sorry Joe most cant even bring themselves to admit that Bob Crow did a good job for his members

London_Manila

12th March 2014, 03:49

She will chew him up and spit him out!

I am sure that most people who work for London Underground earn more than you and do a lot less hours

Sorry but thats very relevant when it comes to you constantly knocking Bob Crow

London_Manila

12th March 2014, 03:52

nothing in common with the working people that was a bit rich his salary was,nt in line with common people either .money ordinary people could only dream about .

Actually Bob's salary is peanuts when compared to what most UK company directors are paying themselves

SimonH

12th March 2014, 06:34

Actually Bobs salary is peanuts when compared to what most uk company directors are paying themselves

Really! :Erm: When you say "actually" do you know that for a fact or are you guessing? :cwm25:

http://www.salarytrack.co.uk/average-director-salary

les_taxi

12th March 2014, 08:17

I am sure that most people who work for London Underground earn more than you and do a lot less hours

Sorry but thats very relevant when it comes to you constantly knocking Bob Crow

Train drivers earn shed loads but don't want to be one, working on the London underground lol no thanks!

I would rather ferry people around and build up regular work driving around beautiful Yorkshire.

gWaPito

12th March 2014, 10:47

Really! :Erm: When you say "actually" do you know that for a fact or are you guessing? :cwm25:

http://www.salarytrack.co.uk/average-director-salary

You were going well LM until you said that :icon_lol: You must admit, he was on a good screw :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I'll even admit, from what I've read about him, not knowing him personally :cwm25: Bob Crow worked wonders but, he made the mistake to rubbish and insult the dead and their family........That in my book is a no no :NoNo:

bigmarco

12th March 2014, 11:21

:cwm25: That in my book is a no no :NoNo:

But it's ok for you to do it :Erm:

gWaPito

12th March 2014, 11:52

But it's ok for you to do it :Erm:

Crow went on radio, addressing the nation to do it. He had no respect she why should I give it :NoNo:. What's good for one, is good for the gander. An eye for an eye...It goes on...Reference Genesis

bigmarco

12th March 2014, 12:01

An eye for an eye would make the whole world blind Reference Mahatma Gandhi.

Bluebirdjones

12th March 2014, 12:35

I would imagine that the vast majority of people who use/read this site are from a working class background, albeit if you are now self-employed. I guess few (if any) are living on inherited wealth and position.

So, to castigate someone who stood up for the working man is bizarre in my opinion.

He campaigned tirelessly for better working conditions, better job security, better wages.

What’s wrong with that ?

The alternative is a race to the bottom, which unfortunately we've been experiencing for decades now.

Granted he might have said a few distasteful things which he might have presented better …… but fighting against the “establishment” for years, and seeing yourself demonised by the Murdoch & Rothermere press on a regular basis, probably does result in a belligerent attitude.

les_taxi

12th March 2014, 12:49

Never been a fan of any union to be honest

What I did see was Ok fair enough he did his job as required to do but could not give a .... for other companies and businesses that his actions may affect.

That's trouble with unions, as long as your alright stuff everyone else.

As I mentioned before he had no answer to the business his action's were affected by the strike, if it meant others lost their jobs so what
He wasn't bothered.

KeithD

12th March 2014, 13:11

les_taxi

12th March 2014, 13:26

Plus they go thru red lights!

andy222

12th March 2014, 15:05

April 2013

Union leader Bob Crow has said Margaret Thatcher can "rot in hell" for what she did to the country during her time as prime minister.
Crow, the general secretary of the RMT union, told BBC Radio London on Wednesday evening that Thatcher "created an ideological argument to attack working people" during her time in office and that there were "loads of loads of people who lost their houses, jobs and committed suicide because of what she did".
"She has got nothing in common at all with working people," he said. She didn't die in a hospice, she died in the Ritz, somewhere no working people could stay for one night."
"I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell."
To be honest cant argue with him. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

les_taxi

12th March 2014, 15:14

Andy had enough on his plate with the championship looming lol

andy222

12th March 2014, 15:17

You may be right Les. Just pay your £100 to Tiger. :icon_lol:. RIP BOB. We need more like him. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

les_taxi

12th March 2014, 15:26

Tiger will get his when it's confirmed no problem, seeing Brom go down will soften the blow :icon_lol:

bigmarco

12th March 2014, 16:13

"Why should it just be the bankers, politicians and the idle rich who get all the best things? As a militant trade union we demand a standard of living for our members that enables them to share in the fine wines and fine times that the likes of David Cameron and his Old Etonian mates take for granted." Bob Crow

Next month like every year for as long as I can remember Tube workers will get an above inflation pay rise which will take drivers past the £50k pa for a maximum 36 hour week. In the meantime we'll have to go about the business of electing the next man/woman to make sure Bobs good work continues.
I don't think it's a coincidence that the RMT is not even in the top 10 unions in member numbers in the UK and yet everyone knows who our GS was.
Personally I wish every union had a Bob :xxgrinning--00xx3:

grahamw48

12th March 2014, 17:16

Aah..back to the 70s and bankruptcy. :smile:

Jenky

12th March 2014, 18:35

Aah..back to the 70s and bankruptcy. :smile:

And now here we are in this decade where most unions have been trivialised and those that remain are portrayed as leftie troublemakers by Maxwell and his phone hacking fraternity.
All we are sadly left with are the creations of Thatcher who having left Eton were able to run around unchecked and bankrupt the country driven soley by their own loadsamoney greed. And along the way spawning various Wonga-like hangers on who now make a profit exploiting the fall out from the resulting working class misery.

Capitalism at its best.

Rip Bob You fought for the working person.

les_taxi

12th March 2014, 18:57

No, he fought for his union members, here is my analogy:

Ok, I'm a taxi driver, the Council decides to hike up our annual costs once again, so we all get together (500 of us) and refuse to pick people up as we are not happy. I'm the leader :biggrin:

We also prevent people from getting to work by driving around the town at a crawl making everybody miss trains, flights, business deadlines etc. I'm a great guy as I'm doing it for my members.

What i don't give a chuff about is the rest of ya, you may miss an important deadline and lose an order causing you to lay off workers, shut down, affect all the local business due to lack of trade etc etc. Could go on forever, but hey I'm alright, my members are alright - what's the big deal I'm a hero.

Council backs down and me and me merry union are happy.
Oh so lots of you have suffered hardship and lost your jobs, Oops, sorry 'bout that, really I don't care I'm Les Crow the hero.

That's the trouble with unions very selfish in their aims and not for the people, the public only the workers they represent sod the rest of society.

London_Manila

12th March 2014, 19:16

£50,000 a year for driving a train. That's a button that says go, another says stop .... and who pays for it, and the bi pensions they get? The British public.... mind you, they are mostly southerners so who cares? :icon_lol:

Plenty of trains north of Watford last time i looked :wink:
I normally hear this argument from bus drivers

Mainline trains are certainly not even remotely "automatic"

First you have to pass a strict medical
Then its criminal record check and ALL your past employers will be contacted

Entry tests are hard and many fall at this first hurdle
Minimum training for a mainline Train driver is 1 year and there is lots to learn
2 to 3 months is classroom based

For every 1000 people who apply only 1 makes it through to become a trainee

Shifts are anything in 24 hours a day 7 days a week
I pay in over £200 a month into my pension pot
Make a mistake out on the mainline and you are soon out of a job (happens all the time)

If its such an easy job then feel free to apply to any TOC and see if you can become 1 in a 1000

London_Manila

12th March 2014, 19:19

Plus they go thru red lights!

Then you become an x train driver (overnight)

London_Manila

12th March 2014, 19:24

London_Manila

12th March 2014, 19:30

London_Manila

12th March 2014, 19:40

Really! :Erm: When you say "actually" do you know that for a fact or are you guessing? :cwm25:

http://www.salarytrack.co.uk/average-director-salary

Yes i was shooting from the hip :wink:

Sir Peter Hendy head of TFL last year made £ 652,000
Bob Crow made £145,000

I dont see you or anyone else complaining about the fats cats !

les_taxi

12th March 2014, 19:44

There is not a problem as I have built up a sound business all on my own, look after my customers, open doors, carry bags, clean car - pop quizzes on a night. I love it so do my customers.

I don't want to blow my own trumpet but people want me as I look after them.

I don't whinge or put my meter on if they a few mins late, treat every customer as if they are the most important one that day.
I'm totally happy and earn a decent living thank you very much :biggrin:

London_Manila

12th March 2014, 19:45

Train drivers earn shed loads but don't want to be one, working on the London underground lol no thanks!

I would rather ferry people around and build up regular work driving around beautiful Yorkshire.

I go to work for what it says in my net pay box on my wage slip
surroundings and scenery dont even come into it

les_taxi

12th March 2014, 19:50

I'm not knocking your job or anyone's, just saying that working on the London Underground is not my idea of fun. I'm at an age where I want to enjoy what I do and have no-one to answer to (apart from customers)

London_Manila

12th March 2014, 19:50

You were going well LM until you said that :icon_lol: You must admit, he was on a good screw :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I'll even admit, from what I've read about him, not knowing him personally :cwm25: Bob Crow worked wonders but, he made the mistake to rubbish and insult the dead and their family........That in my book is a no no :NoNo:

Bob's salary was not that high when compared to the people he had to deal with

His views on Thatcher were of no interest to me

Thats par for the course anyway look at the Daily Mail and Milibands father

les_taxi

12th March 2014, 19:58

Bob's salary was not that high when compared to the people he had to deal with

His views on Thatcher were of no interest to me

Thats par for the course anyway look at the Daily Mail and Milibands father

Well at the end of the day the man did say those things about Thatcher so no sympathy from me and many others.

Jenky

12th March 2014, 20:04

No, he fought for his union members,here is my analogy:

Ok, I'm a taxi driver, the council decides to hike up our annual costs once again, so we all get together (500 of us) and refuse to pick people up as we are not happy. I'm the leader :biggrin:

We also prevent people from getting to work by driving around the town at a crawl making everybody miss trains, flights, business deadlines etc. I'm a great guy as I'm doing it for my members.

What i don't give a chuff about is the rest of ya, you may miss a important deadline and lose an order causing you to lay off workers, shut down, affect all the local business due to lack of trade etc etc. Could go on forever, but hey I'm alright,my members are alright - what's the big deal I'm a hero.

Council back down and me and me merry union are happy.
Oh so lots of you have suffered hardship and lost your jobs, Oops, sorry 'bout that, really I don't care I'm Les Crow the hero.

That's the trouble with unions very selfish in there aims and not for the people, the public only the workers they represent sod the rest of society.

Capitalism at its best!..........How many people in your area are on the list waiting to be taxi drivers?.......My guess is quite a few or if not plenty of Eastern Europeans would soon become interested. And it is only the Council you berate that is stopping a free for all and preventing all those people from getting their taxi licence. Imagine let's stop the council doing that and give them all their licences......They then of course undercut you.....possibly putting you out of business but along the way definitely giving us all cheaper taxi fares.... happy days! (I just paid £15 for a 10 minute rip off last weekend)............Oh how you would like a Bob Crow to stand up for you then?

Strange thing is, even though I would be getting a cheaper taxi ride, I would be supporting the Bob Crowe who is representing you and would not mind any disruption etc....Why? because I want to see the working man earn a working wage and not see the salary of taxi drivers fall to a level that they are unable to survive on unless they were renting a house being shared by more than ten people.

les_taxi

12th March 2014, 20:22

Easy to answer that :icon_lol:

You know nothing about the taxi trade and licensing laws obviously :biggrin:

First of all you haven't even read my post properly, I was not complaining, it was used as an analogy to prove my dislike of unions :doh

I have no problem with my council apart from them not setting much harder knowledge tests for the slow drip, drip of Asians who live in Bradford applying for Harrogate licences and have no clue where anywhere is.

We have Turks,Greeks Pakistanis and plenty of local people in Harrogate.

There is no 'Unmet demand' in Harrogate so the number of Hackney Carriage plates does not increase.

So how does a Taxi Driver make a decent wage? Well I already explained how I do it - stuff your unions don't and would never want one.

I'm a believer in making your own way in life and if you have got the ability to sell yourself and make people want to use you, it's the best way.

So even if lots of dodgy taxi drivers appeared they would still lose out to me and a few others as people want local, knowledgeable honest drivers, fare is irrelevant as they want to get home safe, know their kids are safe and enjoy the ride.

Private hire is a different matter and that has increased dramatically as the council cannot limit it and that does affect our trade.

grahamw48

12th March 2014, 21:31

Please someone, define the nonsense term 'working man' (or WOMAN). :yawn:

bigmarco

12th March 2014, 22:12

London Taxi Drivers are probably the best paid in the country. They're also probably the most militant. When they get a problem they don't talk shiite about unions and blame everyone else. They ring Bob to get on their case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uP_1rvuLkg

Jenky

12th March 2014, 22:20

I'm think you also missed my point :biggrin:

I was just using an analogy based on your own analogy, nothing personal :anerikke:

You do not like unions or what they stand for. Fair enough. Truth is businessmen will do whatever it takes to make more money and unions, if they can, will try and limit the damage to the individuals involved..............They are both doing their job.......I think that Boris wanted to close all of the ticket offices on the London Underground.............losing that personal touch that you feel gives you an such an edge in your own business..................Bob Crowe stood up for those people who would see their salaries and jobs cut as a result and I think that most Underground users - however inconvenienced they became - were sympathetic.

grahamw48

12th March 2014, 22:25

Ah, those terrible businessmen (and WOMEN) who create all the jobs for those 'working class' people.

Of course there is always living off the land, working for the government, or being a Gypsy. :smile:

gWaPito

12th March 2014, 22:31

Well at the end of the day the man did say those things about Thatcher so no sympathy from me and many others.

Me included :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Jenky

12th March 2014, 22:36

Please someone, define the nonsense term 'working man' (or WOMAN). :yawn:

Average salary is approx £24,000pa and this gives most people a life where they can own an average car, an average house, pay an average mortgage, go on average holidays and can live an average lifestyle. That is a working man or woman and like it or not most of us will fall into this bracket. And if you do then you will know what that means.

Like it or not these peolpe are the people that all politicians turn to when there are cuts to be made and somebody has to pay......... Any poorer then they risk harming them........Any richer then you risk losing their vote.

les_taxi

12th March 2014, 22:54

bigmarco

12th March 2014, 23:09

The problem I have with unions is this, if your union sorts this out with your employers to get you better terms and conditions ok

BUT if it means other people not in your line of work or union suffer as a result and lose their jobs then how can that be defended.

Like I said Crow struggled to answer that when put to him :doh

Bit of a non argument really Les when you're using the example of a bar owner who called a radio phone in to say his business was affected by a 2 day strike. Surely you don't think he actually laid people off over a 2 day strike rail strike.

joebloggs

13th March 2014, 00:13

That's trouble with Tories, as long as your alright stuff everyone else.

.

:xxgrinning--00xx3: got to agree with you there Les :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:xxparty-smiley-004:

:icon_lol:

seriously thou, you think that of unions, and that's exactly what i think of the Tories and the bullingdon boys, everyone told to tighten their belts and the rich get a 10% tax cut, justify that les

les_taxi

13th March 2014, 07:28

Bit of a non argument really Les when you're using the example of a bar owner who called a radio phone in to say his business was affected by a 2 day strike. Surely you don't think he actually laid people off over a 2 day strike rail strike.

Yes apparently he was the only one affected by the strike :doh
Oh yea and the thousands of others -who knows what the total cost was in the end :Erm:

Crow was a communist, that's a failed policy if ever there was, look at the misery and suppression in communist countries.

Moving on to Rich kids I think the maths add up surprisingly that when you lower tax rate for high earners you increase tax revenue reciepts,sounds ridiculous but I think that was proven and considering the Rich pay a third of all income tax raised I'm happy with that :xxgrinning--00xx3:
Watched 30 years on the miners strike and if ever I wanted reminding what unions can do - when not even balloted properly it was there to see.
You would sing from a different songsheet if whatever job you do was shafted by a major strike caused by a union you are not part of and it seriously affected your income.

tiger31

13th March 2014, 08:26

Actually Bob's salary is peanuts when compared to what most UK company directors are paying themselves

i,m glad you think 160 grand is peanuts try telling that to the majority working class .higher pay etc for railway workers meant higher ticket prices reaching the absurd situation making it cheaper to fly .

tiger31

13th March 2014, 08:30

You may be right Les. Just pay your £100 to Tiger. :icon_lol:. RIP BOB. We need more like him. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:xxgrinning--00xx3: :biggrin:

joebloggs

13th March 2014, 08:38

Yes apparently he was the only one affected by the strike:doh
Oh yea and the thousands of others-who knows what the total cost was in the end:Erm:
Crow was a communist ,that's a failed policy if ever there was,look at the misery and suppression in communist countries .

Moving on to Rich kids I think the maths add up surprisingly that when you lower tax rate for high earners you increase tax revenue reciepts,sounds ridiculous but I think that was proven and considering the Rich pay a third of all income tax raised I'm happy with that:xxgrinning--00xx3:
Watched 30 years on the miners strike and if ever i wanted reminding what unions can do-when not even balloted properly it was there to see.
You would sing from a different songsheet if whatever job you do was shafted by a major strike caused by a union you are not part of and it seriously affected your income.

:laugher: do they rich people use special money ? i mean if the poor had a 10% tax cut that wouldn't increase tax revenues to :wink:

and how many of these rich kids don't pay any tax ? just like the big companies they own :doh

and what song sheet are you singing from les, you've never been in a union , the only people I've been shafted by are employers because there was no union :doh

les_taxi

13th March 2014, 09:08

Think we done this one before so can't be bothered to continue citizen joe!
I'm sat on taxi rank nice sunny day

bigmarco

13th March 2014, 09:17

Think we done this one before so can't be bothered to continue citizen joe!
I'm sat on taxi rank nice sunny day

No cabbies sat on ranks in London on a strike day. 3.5 million people need to get to and from work :biggrin:

Bluebirdjones

13th March 2014, 09:23

Watched 30 years on the miners strike and if ever I wanted reminding what unions can do-when not even balloted properly it was there to see.

When the coal industry was nationalised in 1947, there were 156 collieries in Yorkshire; now there are just two.
Don’t you think that these people had a right to fight for their jobs, their livelihoods, their communities ?
Granted, many were affected by the miner’s strikes…. but how many mining communities have been destroyed because of the closures ? This affects EVERYONE in the community. The local shops close, the young drift away for work, or get consigned to a lifetime on benefits. So who suffered the most ??
But perhaps for you, in the case of your livelihood it was ideal ….. no public transport = more taxi fares. And of cause, “driving around beautiful Yorkshire” must be so much better now those ugly coal mines and wheel shafts have been knocked down.

… as an aside, the Union of Democratic Mineworkers, the scab union established in the Nottingham coalfield, to work with the Thatcher govt and enter into non-confrontational talks to preserve their jobs and communities did no better:
At its peak, the Nottinghamshire coalfield produced in excess of 25 million tons of coal in a year and more than half of the county's pits claimed a place in the industry's million-ton-a-year league. But Thatcher bought the Nottingham coalfield no favours and instead saw periodic closures of a few mines over the years and by 1997, just six collieries were still operating, all in private hands. The leaders of the UDM said they had been betrayed. For the miners of Nottingham who had stood out on strike in the hardest battle of any area saying "we told you so" brought little satisfaction.

I’d be the first to admit that the strike was badly organised and lead. Going on strike in the summer with coal reserves at all-time highs was crazy ….. but in their defence, these people were fighting for jobs and communities. And we are all aware of how this ended, and its legacy.

Mr Taxi…. BTW, when South Wales football teams play away in Nottingham, (Forest, County, Mansfield) their fans chant “Scab, Scab, Scab” and “Scabby scabby Nottingham” thru-out the game. They have never forgotten nor forgiven. Do Yorkshire football fans do the same ? ……. Eeeeeee …. Sorry I forgot, you live in Yorkshire but you don’t support a Yorkshire-based team. Scrub that question.

les_taxi

13th March 2014, 09:34

Your sarcasm is laughable
I was not in the taxi trade back then, plumbing and heating trade.
Love the way you try and defend the strike and equally keep say but this etc etc
Some of my relatives were miners great guys
I opposed the strike and oppose unions where they hold country to ransom
Leave your football rubbish out of it

les_taxi

13th March 2014, 10:05

My last post on this thread as raynaputi may be watching! Lol I stand by my comments as I'm sure those of you who disagree do too.
Hey its a sunny day and i just had an oven baked scotch egg delicious.

Dedworth

13th March 2014, 10:36

Dedworth

13th March 2014, 10:43

No cabbies sat on ranks in London on a strike day. 3.5 million people need to get to and from work :biggrin:

Good point Marco. I know how Comrade Bob obviously secured great pay & conditions for you and your colleagues - I suppose it helps having a power base of 1500 tube drivers able to hold the capital city to ransom.

I've scoured the internet but can't find much about what the RMT does for its 80000 other members such as Mitie Train Cleaners in places like Darlington - I'm curious to know how much above minimum wage these workers earn.

RIP Bob

bigmarco

13th March 2014, 11:32

Great to see you're interested in the struggle for low paid workers Ded :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Here's the link to the RMT's website

http://www.rmt.org.uk/home/ .

There's a monthly magazine that's issued to all members and it's available to read online for people like you who have an interest in the plight of the cleaners. You wont find much of the contents of this publication in The Daily Mail because quite frankly it's readers are not interested.

Anyhow you can see that there's an ongoing dispute with the Mitie cleaners as well as many other disputes up and down the country. Interesting to read how DLR workers have been given a 3% yes 3% pay rise plus an extra days leave after voting to strike. I'm sure you'll agree that's brilliant for them considering they're talking about giving public sector workers a 1% rise. Also a commitment was won to pay the DLR cleaners above the London Living wage at the start of the new franchise.

There's also an interesting article on Bombardier securing the £1.6 billion contract to build the 600 crossrail trains which is great news for the people of Derby after a lot of campaigning by Bob.

On a personal note I would also suggest reading a book called "Plundering London Underground" by my friend and possible candidate for leadership Janine Booth. It's about the New Labour PPP disaster which cost the Tax Payer far more than the RMT ever did.

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joebloggs

13th March 2014, 21:56

When the coal industry was nationalised in 1947, there were 156 collieries in Yorkshire; now there are just two.

what do we have now thanks to thatcher, the pits are shut, we've got the Chinese and now even the Russians (communist states ! ) are wanting to build Nuclear power stations in the UK :mad:
fuel prices rising 10% every year, people in fuel poverty :Britain:

Dedworth

13th March 2014, 22:18

what do we have now thanks to thatcher, the pits are shut, we've got the Chinese and now even the Russians (communist states ! ) are wanting to build Nuclear power stations in the UK :mad:
fuel prices rising 10% every year, people in fuel poverty :Britain:

I posted this last year :-

Coal had been a decaying industry for years, history was re-written by Labour and they keep repeating it until they believe it is true :-

Declining number of pits under Wilson & Callaghan

1964 .. 545
1965 .. 504
1966 .. 442
1967 .. 406
1968 .. 330
1969 .. 304

1974 .. 250
1975 .. 241
1976 .. 239
1977 .. 231
1978 .. 223
1979 .. 219

Declining Number of pits under Mrs Thatcher

1979 .. 219
1980 .. 213
1981 .. 200
1982 .. 191
1983 .. 170
1984 .. 169
1985 .. 133
1986 .. 110
1987 .. 94
1988 .. 86
1989 .. 73
1990 .. 65

Perhaps someone can tell us how many pits re-opened during 1997 - 2010 under Blair and Bottler Brown

joebloggs

13th March 2014, 22:34

Blair never did a deal with the Chinese or Russians, 2 communist countries owning and running power plants in the UK, its :laugher:

Dedworth

13th March 2014, 22:38

Blair never did a deal with the Chinese or Russians, 2 communist countries owning and running power plants in the UK, its :laugher:

He didn't re-open any pits or re-establish the NCB either :biggrin: Let's keep to the facts Joe

joebloggs

13th March 2014, 23:11

the facts are the Russians and Chinese, 2 communist countries want to build Nuclear power plants in the UK, I'd rather they open the pits again and rebuilt the communities thatcher wiped out.

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru_YLSNlnw0

Dedworth

13th March 2014, 23:17

grahamw48

14th March 2014, 00:23

Too right Dedworth.

The Labour hypocrites were too busy filling their pockets and giving undesirables easy passage into OUR country.

London_Manila

14th March 2014, 02:37

London_Manila

14th March 2014, 02:41

Good point Marco. I know how Comrade Bob obviously secured great pay & conditions for you and your colleagues - I suppose it helps having a power base of 1500 tube drivers able to hold the capital city to ransom.

I've scoured the internet but can't find much about what the RMT does for its 80000 other members such as Mitie Train Cleaners in places like Darlington - I'm curious to know how much above minimum wage these workers earn.

RIP Bob

Right wing gutter press readers like yourself would have us all on the minimum wage
Stamp on that workers head until you don't hear a peep out of him

gWaPito

14th March 2014, 04:42

I'd rather they open the pits again and rebuilt the communities thatcher wiped out

Just how proud actually were places like Sheffield before Thatcher came along? How proud can any city be when it is, essentially, a vast welfare case getting by on the wealth transferred to it from other parts of the country?

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1497/thatcher_s_achievements_will_long_outlive_the_spite_of_sheffield_s_sons_and_daughters

tiger31

14th March 2014, 04:57

Just how proud actually were places like Sheffield before Thatcher came along? How proud can any city be when it is, essentially, a vast welfare case getting by on the wealth transferred to it from other parts of the country?

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1497/thatcher_s_achievements_will_long_outlive_the_spite_of_sheffield_s_sons_and_daughters

well that post put certain members in their place lol :xxgrinning--00xx3:

SimonH

14th March 2014, 07:17

Excellent post Gwaps :xxgrinning--00xx3:

les_taxi

14th March 2014, 09:31

Superb Gwaps :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Dedworth

14th March 2014, 09:35

Top piece Gwap :xxgrinning--00xx3:

grahamw48

14th March 2014, 10:43

The truth will hurt, but more likely, will be denied. :NoNo:

Anyone who grew up in a coal mining town (as I did), lived through those times and wasn't clinging to Scargill's coat tails realised what a megalomaniac he was. :doh

gWaPito

14th March 2014, 11:38

Superb Gwaps:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Thanks for the rep Les :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I need to share a touch more b4 I can give you one back :icon_sorry:

gWaPito

14th March 2014, 11:41

I posted this last year :-

Coal had been a decaying industry for years, history was re-written by Labour and they keep repeating it until they believe it is true :-

Declining number of pits under Wilson & Callaghan

1964 .. 545
1965 .. 504
1966 .. 442
1967 .. 406
1968 .. 330
1969 .. 304

1974 .. 250
1975 .. 241
1976 .. 239
1977 .. 231
1978 .. 223
1979 .. 219

Declining Number of pits under Mrs Thatcher

1979 .. 219
1980 .. 213
1981 .. 200
1982 .. 191
1983 .. 170
1984 .. 169
1985 .. 133
1986 .. 110
1987 .. 94
1988 .. 86
1989 .. 73
1990 .. 65

Perhaps someone can tell us how many pits re-opened during 1997 - 2010 under Blair and Bottler Brown

I didn't read this Ded b4 I posted mine.........I saw Joe's first so felt I had to respond accordingly :xxgrinning--00xx3: Minds thinking alike :biggrin:

Dedworth

14th March 2014, 11:47

I didnt read this Ded b4 i posted mine.........I saw Joe's first so felt I had to respond accordingly :xxgrinning--00xx3: Minds thinking alike :biggrin:

:xxgrinning--00xx3: We are still waiting to hear about Blair/Brown failure to reopen pits and bring back steam engines. As Graham rightly says "The truth will hurt, but more likely, will be denied."

I've got to spread my green cards about more before I can rep you Gwap :biggrin:

gWaPito

14th March 2014, 11:59

:xxgrinning--00xx3: We are still waiting to hear about Blair/Brown failure to reopen pits and bring back steam engines. As Graham rightly says "The truth will hurt, but more likely, will be denied."

I've got to spread my green cards about more before I can rep you Gwap :biggrin:

They did a go job in bringing back poverty and ruination. 1 out of 3 isnt that bad :xxgrinning--00xx3:

SimonH

14th March 2014, 20:26

It all seems to have gone quiet on the Labour/Union side :Erm:

gWaPito

14th March 2014, 20:30

It all seems to have gone quiet on the Labour/Union side :Erm:

As Private Jones used to say 'they don't like it up um'

les_taxi

14th March 2014, 23:42

Well Gwap nailed it as they say :xxgrinning--00xx3:

andy222

15th March 2014, 00:04

The truth being the blue rinse brigade above are scared of what is going to happen in the next election. And it wont be a Conservative win. :wink:

London_Manila

15th March 2014, 02:39

Oh dear it seems like the pro Thatcher lot have hijacked another thread :xxmixed-smiley-017:

Back to my main point Bob Crow worked well to get his members just rewards :smile:

London_Manila

15th March 2014, 02:43

It all seems to have gone quiet on the Labour/Union side :Erm:

Lets hope your other half does not suffer too much hardship when the RMT go out on strike again :icon_lol:

Paddington can get a touch congested on strike days !

London_Manila

15th March 2014, 02:55

They did a go job in bringing back poverty and ruination. 1 out of 3 isnt that bad :xxgrinning--00xx3:

As if Cameron and his bunch of Torry Toffs have made any improvement

I take you will be among the first to welcome the Syrian refugees when they start flooding in

Little upstarts like Hague make all the noise about being tough on immigration when he was in in opposition once he gets in power he does the complete opposite :76:

London_Manila

15th March 2014, 02:57

As if Cameron and his bunch of Torry Toffs have made any improvement

I take you will be among the first to welcome the Syrian refugees when they start flooding in

Little upstarts Hague make all the noise about being tough on immigration when he was in opposition once he get's in power he does the complete opposite :76:

China running our nuclear power stations = you could not make this kind of thing up :doh

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 06:30

well that post put certain members in their place lol :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:laugher: the only place you need to look at is how biased the Author is, i think you'll find his place is in the Tory party , which he is a member of :biggrin:

GaWapito how about posting Scargills views on the subject now you've posted the Tory view :xxgrinning--00xx3:

fred

15th March 2014, 06:49

if its so cheap to import coal, why is my electric bill rising by 10% every year :doh

Because every time you boil your kettle you are melting icebergs and stuffing up the planet apparently.
So I guess its a kind of iceberg melting and stuffed up planet tax which probably goes towards building cheap housing for EU farm workers in the UK.:thumbsdown:

SimonH

15th March 2014, 07:50

Lets hope your other half does not suffer too much hardship when the RMT go out on strike again :icon_lol:

Paddington can get a touch congested on strike days !

Well remembered and I appreciate your concern :smile: Hopefully no more strikes in the next 2 months, as that's when she gives up work to become a full time mum :biggrin:

SimonH

15th March 2014, 07:51

The truth being the blue rinse brigade above are scared of what is going to happen in the next election. And it wont be a Conservative win. :wink:

You seem awfully confident Andy, would you like a wager on that :Erm:

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 08:03

I didn't read this Ded b4 I posted mine.........I saw Joe's first so felt I had to respond accordingly :xxgrinning--00xx3: Minds thinking alike :biggrin:

pits started closing because of the rise of Nuclear power and the cheap import of coal from Russia,

Nuclear power is in decline so now we have no choice but to buy gas and coal from the Russians, and now let them build Nuclear power plants with the Chinese in the UK,

you couldn't make this up :crazy::laugher:

les_taxi

15th March 2014, 08:46

Sorry you union fans,facts are there with the coal decline-if it was the answer to our prayers we would still be digging it up.
Nuclear power is not in decline and will be a necessity in the years to come,we will run out of coal and gas and oil one day -Fact.
It was sad for the mining communities but it's like anything if it's gone it's gone,applies to us all.
If one day we have driverless cars/Taxis then Cabbies wont have a job-we will have to do something else-that's life I',m afraid.

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 09:13

Nuclear power is not in decline and will be a necessity in the years to come,we will run out of coal and gas and oil one day -Fact.

where are you getting your FACTS from les ? your tea leaves or the Tories :biggrin:
show me some facts to show it's not :wink:

the FACT is Nuclear energy like United are in decline, Nuclear peaked at 26% in 1997 and now is down to 19% and it would be a lot less if they had stopped extending the life of the ageing plants with have in the UK, and a few are to shut in the next few years and most by 2023 :biggrin:

so you better starting pray the REDS come with their money and build a lot more plants :biggrin:

les_taxi

15th March 2014, 09:45

No what i mean to say is they will increase simple as that
Sooner the better.
I'm sure plans have been drawn up to build a new one

les_taxi

15th March 2014, 09:48

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24604218

les_taxi

15th March 2014, 09:49

Seems you not woke up yet joe or smelt the roses lol

SimonH

15th March 2014, 10:02

les_taxi

15th March 2014, 10:06

Ha Simon no topic stays on subject matter on this forum
I had a dream about hens which produced amazing eggs last night!

SimonH

15th March 2014, 10:14

Ha Simon no topic stays on subject matter on this forum
I had a dream about hens which produced amazing eggs last night!

Weird that, I had a dream that Andy took me up on my bet and now owes me £100 :icon_lol:

les_taxi

15th March 2014, 10:25

I dreamt the nearly impossible dream that United finished 4th and tiger put £100 in my bank account

fred

15th March 2014, 10:59

where are you getting your FACTS from les ? your tea leaves or the Tories :biggrin:
show me some facts to show it's not :wink:

the FACT is Nuclear energy like United are in decline, Nuclear peaked at 26% in 1997 and now is down to 19% and it would be a lot less if they had stopped extending the life of the ageing plants with have in the UK, and a few are to shut in the next few years and most by 2023 :biggrin:

so you better starting pray the REDS come with their money and build a lot more plants :biggrin:

Get yourself some Cheap chinese solar panels and a grid tie and get a cheque with that 10% added from them every month Joe!!

andy222

15th March 2014, 11:30

Weird that, I had a dream that Andy took me up on my bet and now owes me £100 :icon_lol:
Dream on Simon. My names not les.:icon_lol:

andy222

15th March 2014, 11:32

where are you getting your FACTS from les ?
Brainwashed.:icon_lol:. Im worried that les might convert to being a muslim.:laugher:

les_taxi

15th March 2014, 11:45

Yes I'm converting to islam, joining a union and voting for the debt party.
On seconds thoughts f... that lol

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 12:17

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24604218

closure date
Wylfa Magnox 490 540 Magnox Ltd 1963 1971 1972 2015
Dungeness B AGR 1040 1230 EDF Energy 1965 1983 1985 2018
Hinkley Point B AGR 840 1310 EDF Energy 1967 1976 1976 2023
Hunterston B AGR 830 1288 EDF Energy 1967 1976 1976 2023
Hartlepool AGR 1190 1310 EDF Energy 1968 1983 1989 2024[67]
Heysham 1 AGR 1160 1250 EDF Energy 1970 1983 1989 2019[68]
Heysham 2 AGR 1240 1360 EDF Energy 1980 1988 1989 2023
Torness AGR 1205 1364 EDF Energy 1980 1988 1988 2023
Sizewell B PWR 1195 1250 EDF Energy 1988 1995 1995 2035

can you provide me a list of dates for any new opens Les :biggrin:

Seems you not woke up yet joe or smelt the roses lol

wide awake, eyes wide open Les, been up since 4am :biggrin:

Fukushima , Chernobyl , Three Mile Island and there's been many more http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/14/nuclear-power-plant-accidents-list-rank :NoNo:

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 12:23

Get yourself some Cheap chinese solar panels and a grid tie and get a cheque with that 10% added from them every month Joe!!

funny you mention that fred, 2 more houses near me have just had solar panels put on their roofs, something must be going on, that's about 8 houses with them on now, out of about 60 houses, must be something in it or its a scam :cwm25:
not that much sunshine in sunny Salford :wink:

les_taxi

15th March 2014, 12:30

Yes already did give you list of New ones on existing sites. Simple maths joe not your strong point.
The new ones will be bigger and generate more output so the figures will go up in time.
What's the relevance of mentioning the foreign sites?

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 12:52

it seems maths is not your strong point too les, the more nuclear power plants, the more risks there will be of a major incident :NoNo:

you say as oil and coal runs out we will have to depend on nuclear, UK has 9 plants at the mo, those 9 provide less than 20% of our current power needs, so we would need upto 36 more plants to reply totally on nuclear energy. and can we dump all the waste in yorkshire :wink:

I'm al-right here, I'm sat on a fracking goldmine :biggrin:

les_taxi

15th March 2014, 12:55

We were not talking about risks joe
Completely different argument
I said nuclear will increase and it will
Risk with every fuel
Life is a risk

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 13:10

We were not talking about risks joe
Completely different argument
I said nuclear will increase and it will
Risk with every fuel
Life is a risk

that is true life is a risk, but life is about reducing your risks :wink:, can you tell me how many people have died because of coal mining Les? compared to say those who died at Chernobyl ?

gWaPito

15th March 2014, 13:14

it seems maths is not your strong point to les, the more nuclear power plants, the more risks there will be of a major incident :NoNo:

The more cars on the road the more chance of an accident. Let's ban cars shall we :doh

You spent too much time dolling out socialist propaganda rather than sitting in your government funded university class room. :NoNo:

bigmarco

15th March 2014, 13:21

Weird that, I had a dream that Andy took me up on my bet and now owes me £100 :icon_lol:

Are you saying the Tories will have an outright majority ?

tiger31

15th March 2014, 13:32

I dreamt the nearly impossible dream that United finished 4th and tiger put £100 in my bank account

then you woke up haha well I hope maths is your strong point and count to a hundred very very soon :biggrin:

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 13:32

The more cars on the road the more chance of an accident. Let's ban cars shall we :doh

sitting in your government funded university class room. :NoNo:

i think signs of dementia could be setting in gWaPito, that's the 3rd time you've posted that, but each time i have corrected you :biggrin:

as for cars on the road your correct, can you tell me one car crash that killed nearly 1 Million people and contaminated the area for more than 300yrs :cwm25:

les_taxi

15th March 2014, 13:49

gWaPito

15th March 2014, 13:51

Plane travel has been proven safer than travel by cars

Tell that to the families of those lost on that latest plane crash.

Much like 44% of Asian/white marriages last longer than white/white marriages. That's no consolation to the ones going to the wall.

Yet many play the lotteries thinking they are going win. Such is human nature.

gWaPito

15th March 2014, 13:56

that is true life is a risk, but life is about reducing your risks :wink:, can you tell me how many people have died because of coal mining Les? compared to say those who died at Chernobyl ?
You tell me Joe? ???
Countless thousands have died over the decades bc of coal dust.

gWaPito

15th March 2014, 13:57

Gotta get on. ...the tax man is shaking his case at me

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 14:01

How many deaths from coal dust inhalation, coal mine accidents, gasoline explosions, gas explosions. Car crashes powered by petrol etc millions over the years.
Joe let's all smoke a peace pipe and go back to caveman days!

what 1 million people have died from coal dust inhalation and coal mine accidents since 1956 ( opening of 1st commercial nuclear power plant) i hope your better at maths when giving people their change les :biggrin:

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 14:03

You tell me Joe? ???
Countless thousands have died over the decades bc of coal dust.

Chernobyl Death Toll: 985,000, Mostly from Cancer

read it gWaPito and it's not from a Tory supporter :icon_lol:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/new-book-concludes-chernobyl-death-toll-985-000-mostly-from-cancer/20908

les_taxi

15th March 2014, 14:05

Your as usual selective about commenting on a post
Read again I'm talking about all non nuclear fuels
Blimey your hard work joe
I'm having a rest your stretching my patience

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 14:23

We were not talking about risks joe
Completely different argument
I said nuclear will increase and it will
Risk with every fuel
Life is a risk
:wink:

les_taxi

15th March 2014, 14:35

Oi bloggsy stop altering my posts!
I will have a rocker to sort out a mod who is off his rocker!

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 14:49

Oi bloggsy stop altering my posts!
I will have a rocker to sort out a mod who is off his rocker!

:icon_lol: another case of dementia :olddude: you don't even know what you've posted :laugher:

:biggrin:

better go b4 some people get upset
have a good day les ,
time to frack off, i can hear them pounding away :NoNo:

Dedworth

15th March 2014, 16:03

When he was Energy Secretary in the failed Liebor Govt Millipede bore a great responsibility for rising energy bills and lack of investment in modern power stations. He threw his lot in with the wind powered tree hugging brigade whilst clobbering the ordinary hard pressed consumer with "green levies"

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 16:16

do we still have the green taxes now dedworth :biggrin:

if we are importing coal because its cheaper than UK coal, it can't be that cheap since energy bills have been rising 10% every winter :doh

and as the coal comes from Russia and the USA, you cant tell me the yank miners are working for a couple of dollars an hour and what about the shipping costs :NoNo:

Dedworth

15th March 2014, 16:44

:cwm25: uh oh, I can see where this is going now :Erm:

Next response will be something about the French and Chinese :Erm:

Maybe time to get this either back on topic or start a new thread :Erm: Don't recall Bob Crow having anything to do with Nuclear power stations or coal for that matter :wink:

Yes it's high time to get this thread back on topic ie the late Beach Bum Bob and the RMT.

Reference Marco’s post #106 I’ve had a look at the RMT website but can’t find where to download the monthly mag. TBH it seems a bit light on “news” and I don’t really think a pledge from DLR to pay a London minimum wage “from the next franchise” is much to boast about. There is precious little about fighting for better wages of train cleaners, Mitie sub contractors etc - I guess the 80 odd thousand RMT members don’t have the same ransom clout as 1500 London Tube drivers.

It is encouraging to see the messages of solidarity coming in from far away Korea, Pakistan, Mexico and the demand for a public inquiry into the 1984 miners strike (lets hope the RMT Executive ensure similar demands are made for an inquiry into Britains involvement in the 17th century slave trade - it did have a maritime aspect to it after all)

gWaPito

15th March 2014, 19:08

:laugher:
Nice one Ded :icon_lol::xxgrinning--00xx3:

SimonH

15th March 2014, 20:10

Dream on Simon. My names not les. :icon_lol:

Not willing to have a bet on what you think is a sure thing then Andy :cwm25:

SimonH

15th March 2014, 20:14

Are you saying the Tories will have an outright majority ?

I think you'll find that Andy said that the Conservatives will not be in Power, that's the bet if Andy stands by what he's been saying for months :smile:

les_taxi

15th March 2014, 20:14

Not willing to have a bet on what you think is a sure thing then Andy :cwm25:

No courage in his misplaced convictions :icon_lol:

Who in their right mind would want the party that nearly turned us into Greece :yikes:

Seems the public are waking up:xxgrinning--00xx3:

gWaPito

15th March 2014, 21:05

More like wising up :xxgrinning--00xx3:

They know it makes sense

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 22:52

Seems the public are waking up :xxgrinning--00xx3:

how's that les :cwm25:
have you seen something in your tea leaves again :biggrin:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/george-osbornes-economic-recovery-mocked-3246945

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2014/03/15/ukip-projected-to-top-euro-poll/

not one major poll have the tories been ahead of labour since the start of 2012 :wink:

joebloggs

15th March 2014, 22:57

and as for the safety of Nuclear plants

Iran claims foiling N-reactor sabotage attempt
http://gulftoday.ae/portal/19e484f5-869c-4a99-9fcc-a4fe1a761b3a.aspx

les_taxi

16th March 2014, 01:58

not one major poll have the tories been ahead of labour since the start of 2012
Not saying that,what is happening is the gap will get smaller all the time.A government having to dish out the medicine after labours colossal disaster was never going to be popular.
As the economy strengthens people will realise to stay well clear of Labour and what might have seemed an easy victory a year ago is looking less likely.
I know you don't like it spelt out but Labour will get weaker as the next Election gets closer-lets wait and see:biggrin:

les_taxi

16th March 2014, 01:59

and as for the safety of Nuclear plants

Iran claims foiling N-reactor sabotage attempt
http://gulftoday.ae/portal/19e484f5-869c-4a99-9fcc-a4fe1a761b3a.aspx

Thats the :censored: of Iran your talking about, not here:yikes:

jonnijon

16th March 2014, 08:17

People have such short memories.There is no more beer and sandwiches going in to number 10 because the unions are no longer running the country

les_taxi

16th March 2014, 09:14

unions are no longer running the country
Amen to that :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Jenky

16th March 2014, 09:23

I dont know why some of you guys use the Blair Labour govt as an example of bad policy decisions that caused the mess we have now. It's no secret that the Tories could not defeat Blair because he was more of a Tory than they were :wink: if he had not decided to retire he probably would still be PM right now.

Nobody will be building plutonium fuelled power stations now as the worlds supply of plutonium is very limited. New plants will use thorium as a power source and the technology is still under development. If we do go ahead and build then by the time they are finished the Germans will be using mainly renewables for all their power needs.

SimonH

16th March 2014, 09:34

I dont know why some of you guys use the Blair Labour govt as an example of bad policy decisions that caused the mess we have now. its no secret that the tories could not defeat Blair because he was more of a Tory than they were:wink: if he had not decided to retire he probably would still be PM right now.
Nobody will be building plutonium fuelled power stations now as the worlds supply of plutonium is very limited. New plants will use thorium as a power source and the technology is still under development. If we do go ahead and build then by the time they are finished the Germans will be using mainly renewables for all their power needs.

The only major flaw with Thorium is that you can't make a bomb with it, hence the lack of research and investment into this technology :wink:

les_taxi

16th March 2014, 09:38

I dont know why some of you guys use the Blair Labour govt as an example of bad policy decisions that caused the mess we have now
:icon_lol: You have to be kidding me :icon_lol:

joebloggs

16th March 2014, 10:08

People have such short memories.There is no more beer and sandwiches going in to number 10 because the unions are no longer running the country

neither is the UK gov , Brussels run this country and now the Russians and Chinese with their red money :biggrin:

SimonH

16th March 2014, 10:14

neither is the UK gov , Brussels run this country and now the Russians and Chinese with their red money :biggrin:

The country's run on sprouts :Erm: Well I suppose it's got to be environmentally better than coal or nuclear energy, not sure about the by product though :Erm:

joebloggs

16th March 2014, 10:24

:icon_lol: You have to be kidding me :icon_lol:

you mentioned Greece in your previous post Les, was that Blair's fault too :icon_lol:

the reason we're in this mess is irresponsible banks and a world wide recession :doh

UKIP i doubt will win any seats in the next election, what they will do is take away votes from the Tories from people who voted Tory in the past, seeing Cameron couldn't win enough seats to form a majority at the last election, unless he can do a deal with UKIP before the next election i cant see him winning a majority next year, as the Tories have been behind Labour for over 2 years in every poll :wink:

les_taxi

16th March 2014, 10:42

Joe you are the worst person on here for taking text out of context.
I was being micky taking mentioning about Greece
Labour naffed this country up
Take your blinkers off

SimonH

16th March 2014, 10:47

you mentioned Greece in your previous post Les, was that Blair's fault too :icon_lol:

the reason we're in this mess is irresponsible banks and a world wide recession :doh

UKIP i doubt will win any seats in the next election, what they will do is take away votes from the Tories from people who voted Tory in the past, seeing Cameron couldn't win enough seats to form a majority at the last election, unless he can do a deal with UKIP before the next election i cant see him winning a majority next year, as the Tories have been behind Labour for over 2 years in every poll :wink:

I'll extend the same offer of a bet to you as well then Joe, if you think that Labour will win the next general election :smile:

gWaPito

16th March 2014, 10:55

People have such short memories.There is no more beer and sandwiches going in to number 10 because the unions are no longer running the country

Like Les, a big Amen to that :xxgrinning--00xx3:

joebloggs

16th March 2014, 10:55

Joe you are the worst person on here for taking text out of context.
I was being micky taking mentioning about Greece
Labour naffed this country up
Take your blinkers off

:laugher: i dont know when your joking or not :icon_lol:

joebloggs

16th March 2014, 10:56

Like Les, a big Amen to that :xxgrinning--00xx3:

i hope you gave him a rep :icon_lol:

gWaPito

16th March 2014, 11:00

you mentioned Greece in your previous post Les, was that Blair's fault too :icon_lol:

the reason we're in this mess is irresponsible banks and a world wide recession :doh

UKIP i doubt will win any seats in the next election, what they will do is take away votes from the Tories from people who voted Tory in the past, seeing Cameron couldn't win enough seats to form a majority at the last election, unless he can do a deal with UKIP before the next election i cant see him winning a majority next year, as the Tories have been behind Labour for over 2 years in every poll :wink:

The banks are doing it all over again..........cheap low interest rate mortgages and giving credit away as if money going out of fashion, once again..........the cycle continues:doh

gWaPito

16th March 2014, 11:01

i hope you gave him a rep :icon_lol:

Ive got to keep sharing ........Ive just given jonnijon one so I'll try again...thanks Joe:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Cheeers Joe....you got one as well as Les.....Cant give to Simon as yet. xxx

BTW...The sharing allowed me to give to Simon as well.........Let's hope i get the heaven

joebloggs

16th March 2014, 11:07

I'll extend the same offer of a bet to you as well then Joe, if you think that Labour will win the next general election :smile:

I'll flip the coin, a bet, if you think the Tories will win the next general election and that means a majority win :smile:

joebloggs

16th March 2014, 11:11

The banks are doing it all over again..........cheap low interest mortgages and giving credit away as if money going out of fashion, once again..........the cycle continues:doh

well b4 the crash i had the bank pestering me to take a loan because i owed something on a credit card, or did i need a loan for something, letters every few weeks from credit card companies offering 12\18 month interest free transfers:NoNo:

joebloggs

16th March 2014, 11:18

thanks for the reps GaWaPito and Rayna :icon_sorry::xxgrinning--00xx3::wink::icon_lol:

SimonH

16th March 2014, 11:35

Ive got to keep sharing ........Ive just given jonnijon one so I'll try again...thanks Joe:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Cheeers Joe....you got one as well as Les.....Cant give to Simon as yet. xxx

BTW...The sharing allowed me to give to Simon as well.........Let's hope i get the heaven

Cheers Gwaps :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Haven't received one from Joe yet though :icon_lol:

gWaPito

16th March 2014, 11:38

You should have a lot more rep than you're actually showing, Joe............You obviously dont lick enough ar$e :icon_lol:

joebloggs

16th March 2014, 11:40

Cheers Gwaps :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Haven't received one from Joe yet though :icon_lol:

unlike some people, i only give a rep if i think someone has made a helpful or useful post, giving them out willy nilly devalues the whole point of the rep system :wink:

gWaPito

16th March 2014, 11:41

Cheers Gwaps :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Haven't received one from Joe yet though :icon_lol:

Which is probably why he doesnt get as much....Joe, you need to give them out every now and then :icon_lol::xxgrinning--00xx3:

You're welcome Simon :biggrin::xxgrinning--00xx3:

raynaputi

16th March 2014, 11:44

unlike some people, i only give a rep if i think someone has made a helpful or useful post, giving them out willy nilly devalues the whole point of the rep system :wink:

This!!! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

joebloggs

16th March 2014, 11:44

Which is probably why he doesnt get as much....Joe, you need to give them out every now and then :icon_lol::xxgrinning--00xx3:

You're welcome Simon :biggrin::xxgrinning--00xx3:

unlike some people, i only give a rep if i think someone has made a helpful or useful post, giving them out willy nilly devalues the whole point of the rep system :wink:

:biggrin:

gWaPito

16th March 2014, 11:47

unlike some people, i only give a rep if i think someone has made a helpful or useful post, giving them out willy nilly devalues the whole point of the rep system :wink:

I agree :xxgrinning--00xx3: Much like folks dolling out negative rep willy nilly :sexy_146:on the strength of taking a dislike to that individual

We wont be finding perfection down here Joe...........that's to come :xxgrinning--00xx3:

joebloggs

16th March 2014, 11:59

I agree :xxgrinning--00xx3: Much like folks dolling out negative rep willy nilly :sexy_146:on the strength of taking a dislike to that individual

We wont be finding perfection down here Joe...........that's to come :xxgrinning--00xx3:

i don't think you can say anyone on here has been handing out neg reps willy nilly gwaPito,

how many reps have you given out, compared to neg reps ? I've never given a neg rep to anyone, maybe i should have thou :cwm25:, but like you say no one is perfect :wink:

les_taxi

16th March 2014, 12:11

I have never given out negative reps.
Interestingly if i have received any can Keith give me a list of the culprits so i can even it up lol

andy222

16th March 2014, 15:06

This has gone way off the topic if politicians get a 11% rise for wrecking the country I think Bob was well worth his money fighting for workers rights to have fair days pay for a fair days work. We need more like him in my opinion. Keep the red flag flying. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

joebloggs

16th March 2014, 15:22

I have never given out negative reps.
Interestingly if i have received any can Keith give me a list of the culprits so i can even it up lol

you must have upset a few people Les :icon_lol:

:xxparty-smiley-004:

:wink:

les_taxi

16th March 2014, 15:30

you must have upset a few people Les

I know the truth is to swallow, maybe I should talk Ed Ballshit more often :biggrin:

joebloggs

16th March 2014, 15:58

I know the truth is to swallow,maybe I should talk Ed Ballshit more often :biggrin:

or stop reading your tea leaves :biggrin:

London_Manila

17th March 2014, 00:54

Amen to that :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Unions defend ordinary working people like yourself and all you do is knock them :Erm:

les_taxi

17th March 2014, 07:11

Unions bring the country to a standstill and all you do is knock them
:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Dedworth

17th March 2014, 09:07

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BifbGE_CMAAxEhM.png:medium

joebloggs

17th March 2014, 09:22

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BifbGE_CMAAxEhM.png:medium

I'm sure he wouldn't go by bus , Prescot has got a few spare Jags they could use :doh

Arthur Little

17th March 2014, 12:25

Well ... :anerikke: ... as I said on another thread, at the rate *this one's being d~r~a~g~g~e~d out, Bob'll be firmly "planted" (or whatever) before *it ends. :doh

les_taxi

17th March 2014, 12:52

Arthur by saying it's dragged out you have resurrected it again lol
I have now added to that!

Dedworth

17th March 2014, 12:54

It's a popular thread :xxgrinning--00xx3:

SimonH

17th March 2014, 13:03

I'm not saying anything :wink:

les_taxi

17th March 2014, 13:24

Neither am i on paddy s day

Dedworth

17th March 2014, 13:29

Neither am i on paddy s day

I'll just add that I'm alright Jack

SimonH

17th March 2014, 13:32

I'll just add that I'm alright Jack

Good for you, do you want a rep for that :icon_lol:

Arthur Little

17th March 2014, 13:42

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BifbGE_CMAAxEhM.png:medium

:biggrin: ... shouldn't :laugher: really, Ded :NoNo: ... but :yeahthat: really appeals to my rather :Erm: ... macabre sense of humour. :icon_lol:

fred

17th March 2014, 18:08

Unions defend ordinary working people like yourself and all you do is knock them :Erm:

I left my apprenticeship in the printing industry because of the two opposing unions within the same company..
I was only 17 years old and knew I had to get out!!
Scary .....!!

raynaputi

17th March 2014, 18:23

I left my apprenticeship in the printing industry because of the two opposing unions within the same company..
I was only 17 years old and knew I had to get out!!
Scary .....!!

It's the same in the Philippines. My friend and I had on the job training (OJT) in PLDT on our last semester in college. There was a union strike that time for a week so we were off that week. When we got back after that, I can't believe how they treated the ones who didn't join them in the strike. A few officemates that they were so close with before the strike, they were condemning them and seems like bullying them and saying nasty things to them after. These aren't just people on the minimum wage, these include supervisors, managers, and such (the ones bullying). I believe the ones they were bullying were asked to be transferred to another office/dept because they didn't go to that work after a few weeks of being bullied. That made me put off applying for work there. :NoNo: It scared me. :cwm24:

les_taxi

17th March 2014, 18:32

Typical union behaviour if you don't join 'Their Club'

gWaPito

17th March 2014, 18:50

Good for you, do you want a rep for that :icon_lol:

I beat you to it Simon, be it a subjective rep.........it is after all, the whole point of it :cwm25:

gWaPito

17th March 2014, 18:54

Typical union behaviour if you don't join 'Their Club'

Im sure Marco would agree......bullying is out of order :NoNo:

Who’d a-thunk it? A union uses bullying tactics to intimidate workers who have exercised their rights?

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2014/02/whod-a-thunk-it-a-union-bulling-workers-who-have-exercised-their-rights/

joebloggs

17th March 2014, 20:32

Typical union behaviour if you don't join 'Their Club'

are you speaking from experience Les ? gaWaPito seems to have done really well being a member of a union,

gaWaPito is your union like that :Erm:

les_taxi

17th March 2014, 21:08

Didn't have to be a member of the 3rd reich to know how they behaved.

Unions looking after member is ok
Just leave the rest of us out of it.

I well remember the miners strike, death threats being made
People being labelled scabs etc
3 day week
Secondary picketing

Bullies!

gWaPito

17th March 2014, 21:42

are you speaking from experience Les ? gaWaPito seems to have done really well being a member of a union,

gaWaPito is your union like that :Erm:

Not at all :NoNo: I can only speak for the site I reside. If you're in it, you're in it, if you're not, you're not.........nobody cares here, Joe. :Sex::do_it:

gWaPito

17th March 2014, 21:43

London_Manila

18th March 2014, 03:27

are you speaking from experience Les ? gaWaPito seems to have done really well being a member of a union,

gaWaPito is your union like that :Erm:

I would imagine gawapito has good reasons for not liking unions

He probably tried to go it alone in some work place and broke all the rules the union had spent years getting in place :wink:

London_Manila

18th March 2014, 03:31

I left my apprenticeship in the printing industry because of the two opposing unions within the same company..
I was only 17 years old and knew I had to get out!!
Scary .....!!

We have a couple of unions in my workplace Aslef and RMT they get along fine without and problems :smile:

London_Manila

18th March 2014, 03:33

Typical union behaviour if you don't join 'Their Club'

Workers are free to join a union or not these days :smile:

London_Manila

18th March 2014, 03:46

It's the same in the Philippines. My friend and I had on the job training (OJT) in PLDT on our last semester in college. There was a union strike that time for a week so we were off that week. When we got back after that, I can't believe how they treated the ones who didn't join them in the strike. A few officemates that they were so close with before the strike, they were condemning them and seems like bullying them and saying nasty things to them after. These aren't just people on the minimum wage, these include supervisors, managers, and such (the ones bullying). I believe the ones they were bullying were asked to be transferred to another office/dept because they didn't go to that work after a few weeks of being bullied. That made me put off applying for work there. :NoNo: It scared me. :cwm24:

People should be free to do want they want when it comes to going on strike
Any bullying or intimidation after any strike is a big no no

Over 20 union officials have been murdered in the Philippines over the last decade :NoNo:

Along with journalists good union officials don't last long there!

London_Manila

18th March 2014, 03:51

les_taxi

18th March 2014, 08:22

These are very outdated views and things have moved on a lot since Scargill was around :doh

Yes obviously trying to bring London to a standstill is 'Very moved on' :doh

joebloggs

18th March 2014, 09:04

Typical union behaviour if you don't join 'Their Club'

now Les is this something you would support :wink:

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/10637855.Metro_taxi_drivers_threaten_strike_action_again_over_fare_rise_row/

i expect you wouldn't go on strike and would be prepared not to strike for a pay rise :biggrin:

bigmarco

18th March 2014, 09:24

Im sure Marco would agree......bullying is out of order :NoNo:

Who’d a-thunk it? A union uses bullying tactics to intimidate workers who have exercised their rights?

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2014/02/whod-a-thunk-it-a-union-bulling-workers-who-have-exercised-their-rights/

100% agree Gwaps Harassment and bullying has no place at work or anywhere else for that matter.
I have a simple principle with scabs. We should never ever call a strike for one. We had one last year who the union represented and she got sacked. She suddenly found her principles and attended our branch to ask us to ballot for her. Sorry sister it doesn't work that way.:crazy:

les_taxi

18th March 2014, 09:55

now Les is this something you would support :wink:

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/10637855.Metro_taxi_drivers_threaten_strike_action_again_over_fare_rise_row/

i expect you wouldn't go on strike and would be prepared not to strike for a pay rise :biggrin:

I was instrumental in persuading taxi drivers to ask the council not to give us a pay rise a few years ago!
Times were tougher and we could not justify it.
So stick that in your pipe and smoke it joe.
P's i'm not private hire either!

Dedworth

18th March 2014, 10:17

These are very outdated views and things have moved on a lot since Scargill was around :doh

Have things moved on ? Bullying and intimidation in last years Grangemouth dispute which ultimately ended in failure and Unite walking away with egg on their face.

It's outdated and futile to be demanding an inquiry into the miners strike which happened 30 years

andy222

18th March 2014, 13:22

Talking about bullying and intimidation thats what Thatcher was all about.

joebloggs

18th March 2014, 21:31

les_taxi

18th March 2014, 23:47

No you haven't hit a raw nerve, I'm just saying I know The Business and persuaded some of the Dimwits not to push for a rise.
They are improving,more people eating out and things on the up:xxgrinning--00xx3:

London_Manila

19th March 2014, 01:59

I was instrumental in persuading taxi drivers to ask the council not to give us a pay rise a few years ago!
Times were tougher and we could not justify it.
So stick that in your pipe and smoke it joe.
P's i'm not private hire either!

Steady on old boy "asking for a pay rise " you don't want to be rocking any boats :wink:

Is that what you expect most workers to do who are currently being paid peanuts :laugher:

I don't need to spell it out what the answer will be from the greedy company owners !

fred

19th March 2014, 02:25

I've said it before.. If you don't like the pay..Get another job!!

If everyone did that these companies would have no choice but to pay an attractive wage in order to attract skilled workers.. If their business cant afford it then they go bust..Simple as that.

Anyway.. Not much unions can do about this in the future... Robots work for less than minimum wage!!

Bill Gates: Yes, robots really are about to take your jobs

http://bgr.com/2014/03/14/bill-gates-interview-robots/