Nick Clegg v Nigel Farage: Tale of the tape

[Terpe]

Nick Clegg is about to go head to head with Nigel Farage in the first of two debates about whether Britain should stay in the EU.

Source:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26729567

[Iani]

Clegg must be absolutely crazy. I'm broadly pro-EU, however I know it's a bloated dinosaur which has smashed British interests into pieces and wrecked many British businesses.

"It's decimated our fishing industry, wrecked our historic trade links with our real friends all over the world, bound us in more red tape than ever before, and caused Britain to lose control of our borders, forcing down British wages due to massive massive immigration we have no control over, causing the concreting over of Britain due to this immigration and thrown our doors open to anyone from the EU who wants to come here to sponge on our benefits", has more public clout than "Well those Nissan factories wouldn't have come here if it wasn't to get into the EU market".

And frankly all Farage needs to say is "If you were the CEO of Nissan, would you keep investing in Britain with British wage costs, or how long would it take you to realise you could relocate all those factories to Romania - also in the EU, also with every benefit being in Britain has, but with cheaper work costs"

Frankly it's amazing these companies haven't realised this already.

[grahamw48]

Sadly, all much too late to save what previous generations died for. Naturally the spineless, cowardly leaders of the major parties won't be putting their heads above the parapet. :NoNo:

[bigmarco]

Clegg is absolutely desperate. The Liberals are in serious danger of being blown out of politics by UKIP and this is his desperate attempt to hang on to 3rd place.
Farage has the facts and figures and public opinion in his favour.
The people want a referendum and Clegg doesn't want one.

[andy222]

It should be the peoples choice whether we want to stay in Europe or not. Not Cleggs not Camerons and not Millibands.

[les_taxi]

Good lad Andy you have seen the light!
Cameron will give you that choice
Milliband won't!

[andy222]

I wouldnt vote tory if you paid me Les. But then again the way you throw your money about there is a chance of that. :laugher:

[les_taxi]

I may have to re assess my football predictions!
I'm leaking more money than the man utd defence lol

[stevewool]

a very nice read that was Peter, intresting too, thankyou

[Terpe]

a very nice read that was Peter, intresting too, thankyou

I though so too. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I'm watching this LBC/Global TV debate right now........Nick Clegg isn't doing as well as I thought he might.....
Some interesting questions though ......

[stevewool]

what channel is that on

[Terpe]

what channel is that on

BBC News

[stevewool]

i have found it , thanks Peter

[andy222]

Just watched it live very good. I think farage won the debate.

[Terpe]

Just watched it live very good. I think farage won the debate.

I felt that too......but then he's reflecting many of the key issues worrying the population.....including me.
I do believe, rightly or wrongly, that Nigel Farage is trusted much more than Nick Clegg.

Some pretty good questions......and some good answers too

I got the feeling the gloves won't come off for that 'brutal' face-off until the main event later

[stevewool]

what i seen i enjoyed, what i cannot understand is after the debate everyone was on about Mr Farage was sweating, big deal,
I do believe that we must have more power here where it should be, i would not vote for Nick Clegg,

[stevie c]

Great debate. Both men won little battles but I thought that Farage won the war

[Terpe]

what i seen i enjoyed, what i cannot understand is after the debate everyone was on about Mr Farage was sweating, big deal,
I do believe that we must have more power here where it should be, i would not vote for Nick Clegg,

For whatever reason I just can't 'take' to him :NoNo:
Nick Clegg I mean ...

[Terpe]

Great debate both men won little battles but i thought that farage won the war

Yes Stevie, I'd agree with that :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

Good lad Andy you have seen the light!
Cameron will give you that choice
Milliband won't!

Cameron is pro EU, he doesn't want to leave the EU :NoNo: and I'm sure he said there would only be a vote if he can't fix what's wrong with the the EU

[les_taxi]

Cameron is pro EU, he doesn't want to leave the EU :NoNo: and I'm sure he said there would only be a vote if he can't fix what's wrong with the the EU

No, he did not Joe, he said there would be a referendum in 2017
"The Prime Minister said he wanted to renegotiate the UK's relationship with the EU and then give people the "simple choice" between staying in under those new terms, or leaving the EU"

[joebloggs]

No, he did not Joe, he said there would be a referendum in 2017

"The Prime Minister said he wanted to renegotiate the UK's relationship with the EU and then give people the "simple choice" between staying in under those new terms, or leaving the EU"


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/441084/David-Cameron-I-can-secure-yes-vote-in-EU-referendum

[les_taxi]

Joe instead of just copying and pasting read the bloody thing - Cameron will offer a referendum in 2017.

Yes, he wants us to stay in but he is still giving us the choice after he has tried to get a better deal!

[joebloggs]

I've read it, its a promise :icon_lol:, what in 2117 :olddude: :icon_lol:

Les, its a load of :censored: how long has he been PM over 4yrs :laugher:

Russians managed a vote on the Crimea in 2wks


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ2n7oMcSi0

[les_taxi]

It's a tricky call, I want to stay in but have control over our own laws.

He will give us the vote and don't even go there with failed promises or I will end up clogging up the forum with all the Labour lies and drivel for the last goodness knows how many years. :icon_lol:

[joebloggs]

Les, there IS only 1 law, and that's EU law :mad:

The only way to beat them is play them at their own game, if everyone votes UKIP and the UK 87 MEP are all UKIP then maybe we can get the EU laws changed :biggrin:

[les_taxi]

I will vote UKIP in the European elections :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[bigmarco]

Farage was far more polished and scored the victory.

[London_Manila]

It's a tricky call, I want to stay in but have control over our own laws.

He will give us the vote and don't even go there with failed promises or I will end up clogging up the forum with all the Labour lies and drivel for the last goodness knows how many years. :icon_lol:

Cameron may well give us a vote if he gets back in

He will then do what Clegg did last night = spend the run up to the vote with scare stories about leaving the EU

Milibands missed the boat on this one and has misjudged the countries anti EU feelings

Just to be able to control who is coming in is enough reason to leave the EU

Farage is the only one talking any sense........................

[les_taxi]

What's annoying is when other countries (France good example) are told to do things they just say Non!

When they interfere in things like whole life sentences for .......s like Lee Rigby's killers we should just say get stuffed, if you attempt to fine us we're out.

[andy222]

I will vote UKIP in the European elections :xxgrinning--00xx3:
That wont make one bit of difference. UKIP cant change any laws in Europe all they can do is have their say.

[les_taxi]

I like their say on certain things - they will get good results in voting

[Dedworth]

I wasn't able to watch it I'll do so later here :-


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6hy8KyedJA

[grahamw48]

What's annoying is when other countries (France good example) are told to do things they just say Non!
When they interfere in things like whole life sentences for .......s like Lee Rigby's killers we should just say get stuffed, if you attempt to fine us we're out.

Totally agree ! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[les_taxi]

The Final bout tonight 7pm BBC 2:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Terpe]

Watching it now :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

very intresting so far, still think nick is a wast of time

[Terpe]

very intresting so far, still think nick is a wast of time

To be honest, I'm biased simply because I neither believe Nick Clegg nor like him :cwm23:
He's talking :censored: as usual......... Career politician.

[stevewool]

indeed thinking of his our career and talking s----t too, this thing about i cant see who i am talking too and keeps saying there name too, just answer the question i say

[les_taxi]

Easy win for Nigel:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

There was only ever going to be one winner.

Farage made Clegg look like the totally witless, mediocre, unimaginative, unpatriotic, parroting career politician that he is.

The two are in totally different leagues, both as speakers and as men.

[les_taxi]

Clegg crumbled visably in the last 10 mins-I actually felt for him,he was lampooned:icon_lol:
I have my European blueprint worked out:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

I didn't feel sorry for him. It's twirps like him who are allowing our country to be lost to us as a people and a culture.

It's also time to get rid of that old man presenter with the appalling throat problem. NOT very clever in a TV presenter. :NoNo:

Put somebody on who can still communicate for goodness sake.

[andy222]

I dont mind Europeans coming in as long as they pay the same visa fees as I had to pay and abide by the same rules as my wife has to. That way a lot of them would not come here.

[grahamw48]

Very true.

Mr. Farage did suggest that Europeans should be required to have work permits.

[bigmarco]

Just watched on iPlayer and again Clegg came out second best. All this 4 million jobs could be lost if we come out is :censored:.
In both debates he's also made the point about Brits who go to Europe to work. The fact is these are not economic migrants. It's not the Germans Italians or French who are the problem here it's Romanians Bulgarians Poles and all the other EE migrants who are coming here because of our system. A system of universal benefits free schools and free NHS the moment you arrive is the magnet that draws these people.
I despair of these career politicians from all Parties. They're like robots with their pre programmed answers. :cwm23:

[grahamw48]

Britain has become nothing more than a free feeding trough. The parasites competing with the professional leeches. A laughing stock led by naive fools, governed by unelected foreigners.

Very sad. :NoNo: